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Soldier waterboards his kid ?!

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Monday, February 8, 2010 9:34 AM

FREMDFIRMA



I knew this was comin, prolly has already, but US media wouldn't care nor cover it.

U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alphabet'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1249191/Soldier-fath
er-accused-waterboarding-daughter-4-recite-alphabet.html


You teach folk that kinda problem solving, shouldn't be surprised when they start applyin it to other things, alas.

Now ponder that many returning vets are pursuing careers in law enforcement - and you thought the boys in blue were bad already ?

*sigh*

-F

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Monday, February 8, 2010 10:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, it's hit the MSM, at least on ABC:
Quote:

Joshua Tabor, Who Served in Iraq, Accused of Waterboarding Daughter

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joshua-tabor-accused-waterboarding-young-daug
hter/story?id=9778116


Nothing from CBS or ABC, but it's in the UK:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100208/twl-child-waterboarded-by-dad-over
-her-a-3fd0ae9.html


and the New York Post has it: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/us_soldier_allegedly_waterboarde
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And I found this:
Quote:

Should the US waterboard children to prevent the next school shooting and save lives?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090430162232AAHRtc3

And it's on the internet all over the place.

They bloody well BETTER pick it up in the MSM...although, is there the danger of it giving people ideas if it's covered?

I can think of a LOT of things to do to the father...and waterboarding isn't even among them; too mild!



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Monday, February 8, 2010 12:44 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
They bloody well BETTER pick it up in the MSM...although, is there the danger of it giving people ideas if it's covered?


Given the fact that by cheering it on endlessly if such is possible, they've already done it, I'd say nope.

They don't wanna cover it, or much of the other drastic psychological fragmentation issues like the shootings, domestic abuse, etc - resultant from this conflict cause it shows just how messed up these poor bastards are when they come back, and worse, how *dangerous*, both to themselves and us.

Think about who it's gonna go when some not-wrapped-too-tight vet comes back, gets a free pass on problems that make him potentially dangerous to others cause he's a vet and a "hero", and then goes into law enforcement where that free pass gets renewed endlessly...

Till someone dies, and maybe even then.

One of my specialties till I cut them off for the most part was decompressing returning soldiers so they could re enter civilian life - and the fact that such therapy is SO DAMNED CLOSE to the same structure used to recover terribly abused children ought to tell you why I view our military with such grim demeanor.

We teach them, train them, to be monsters, to say it any other way is a lie, is bullshit - and yet we expect them to suddenly turn that shit off like a light switch when they come back ?

We dehumanize them, teach them to "kill them fuggin ragheads" and "gank a haji" and all manner of hatred, viciousness, which has gotten substantially worse than it was even in the eighties, right along with the hard christian bent and holy crusade mentality many units have been subjected to besides - how on EARTH do we every expect to accomplish anything *but* slaughtering everyone, right ?

And once you've taught someone to dehumanize one group, with a side order of seeing us "civvies" as a bunch of useless, cowardly, collaborator sheep, thus encouraging them to pump up their egos at the expense of dehumanizing US as well...

What the FUCK did they *think* would happen, often enough, when those troops came back here ?

I figure it for a triumph of humanity over training this shit doesn't happen more often!

But no, the press isn't by any stretch of imagination going to break the "hero myth" by showing up our troops as monstrous.

Even when they HAVE become so, some of em.

-Frem

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Monday, February 8, 2010 1:18 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I knew this was comin, prolly has already, but US media wouldn't care nor cover it.

U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alphabet'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1249191/Soldier-fath
er-accused-waterboarding-daughter-4-recite-alphabet.html


You teach folk that kinda problem solving, shouldn't be surprised when they start applyin it to other things, alas.

Now ponder that many returning vets are pursuing careers in law enforcement - and you thought the boys in blue were bad already ?

*sigh*

-F




I'm starting to think maybe the problem is not enough Americans are getting waterboarded...


I was pretty outraged when Obama let it be know there would be no prosecutions of those who gave the orders for people to be tortured,

but I did not see that much backlash against that decision

now when the roosters come home to roost, perhaps people will want to do something about it




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Monday, February 8, 2010 2:03 PM

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Monday, February 8, 2010 7:53 PM

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Daddy's watchin too much 24. It's the Amerikan Way.

But he has a perfect legal defense under Equal Protection doctrine of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Since Bush and Cheney have immunity for waterboarding, then everyone gets immunity.

In Tennessee, traffic cops waterboard folks in their own homes and trailer parks. Gotta get that voluntary signature on a cop contract.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3386531596598980684
http://piratenews.org/tortured-by-copsters-in-tn.html

Quote:

"The 2005 memo also says that the C.I.A. used waterboarding 183 times in March 2003 against Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-described planner of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."
—Scott Shane, New York Times, Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects, April 19, 2009
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2009/04/183-waterboards-per-prisoner
-for-false.html


"During the harshest period of my interrogation I gave a lot of false information in order to satisfy what I believed the interrogators wished to hear in order to make the ill-treatment stop. I later told the interrogators that their methods were stupid and counterproductive. I'm sure that the false information I was forced to invent in order to make the ill-treatment stop wasted a lot of their time and led to several false red-alerts being placed in the U.S."
-Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (the alleged mastermind of 9.11), interview by Red Cross at US military torture death camp at Guantanamo Bay in Communist Cuba, ICRC Report on the Treatment of Fourteen 'High Value Detainees' in CIA Custody, February 2007
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/05/during-my-interrogation-
i-gave-lot-of.html


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Tuesday, February 9, 2010 6:21 AM

BYTEMITE


So, okay, this is bad. It's not technically waterboarding, but supposedly the daughter is terrified of water for some reason (prior abuse?), and the guy used it as a disciplinary tool for that reason. Sound pretty coldly calculated, especially since the inducement (failure to recite ABCs) was so innocuous.

I think the guy does have issues, either major PTSD or he's a total dick. It's hard to tell whether the mentioned Kevlar hat and window bashing episode was an extremely visceral flashback or if he was just maliciously harassing people.

If he has PTSD, he needs help. Immediately. And he also needs to be removed from anyone he could accidentally hurt. He is clearly not stable or sane and he's overreacting to minor events.

If he's just an asshole/thug with no common sense and a sadistic streak, then the little girl needs to be taken away from him. And possibly the girlfriend, who didn't stop it, though I can't tell if she's the biological mother or not, and maybe she was scared shitless and had been beaten prior to this episode. If both the girlfriend and the daughter were abused, I can't really support punishing the victims for something that wasn't their fault.

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Tuesday, February 9, 2010 6:39 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, I hope if anyone has any brains, they'll take that kid away and do some psychological testing on him. I can see how the mentality is created, from what I know of the military, but to bring it home is just unthinkable.

I hope someone does SOMETHING--given it's gotten SOME press, maybe something will be done. Not holding my breath, tho'...

Does kind of illustrate how our military felt/feels about waterboarding, don't it? D'ya suppose it wasn't just a few "over the top" interrogators or something?

As to no repercussions about it, I won't even start...



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