I know, hackles are rising all over the place just at the mention. I'm bracing myself... But I wanted to say something to all those who diss him and MS..."/>

REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

Keith Olbermann

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:04
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 1680
PAGE 1 of 1

Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I know, hackles are rising all over the place just at the mention. I'm bracing myself... But I wanted to say something to all those who diss him and MSNBC and prefer FauxNews as the "better" choice.

I'd like to know what, if anything, FoxNoise has done for anyone besides themselves? Any cause they're supporting, pushing, that isn't Tea Party related or otherwise politically motivated? Haiti doesn't count; EVERYONE's doing that.

In contrast, there's the Sioux River Tribe hard hit by this Winter's storms which he brought to the public's attention:
Quote:

A national commentator's rant about federal inaction on the storm-ravaged Cheyenne River reservation has turned into a fundraising bonanza for the tribe in north-central South Dakota.

As of Tuesday afternoon, an online fund established through the South Dakota Community Foundation had raised about $8,000 for the reservation, which had been paralyzed by a late January ice storm and blizzard that knocked out power and water to thousands.

That was before MSNBC commentator Keith Olbermann got on his soapbox Tuesday evening.

In what amounted to a 30-second editorial, Olbermann chided the Senate Indian Affairs Committee for not helping to facilitate assistance to the tribe, then offered the South Dakota Community Foundation's Web site as a way for viewers to help.

The effect was immediate, Community Foundation president Bob Sutton said Thursday.

He was attending a function in Sioux Falls on Tuesday evening, he said. His Blackberry was set up to buzz him with an e-mail every time someone made an online donation to the Cheyenne River effort.

"Within the first 20 minutes, I had hundreds of e-mails on my Blackberry," he said. "It was unbelievable. I had to go out in the lobby and check it; I thought something was wrong because it just kept buzzing."

At the start of the day Thursday, the fund had grown to $220,000. By Thursday night, it was more than $250,000. In the 15 minutes he spent talking to a reporter, Sutton said 16 contributions came in, ranging from $10 to $500, from all over the country.

"We haven't done online fundraising here, so this is relatively new to us, a test case for us," Sutton said. "The result has been absolutely amazing."

His organization had been asked by the St. Paul-based Bush Foundation to help raise money for the Cheyenne River tribe. In turn, another Minnesota nonprofit, Native Americans in Philanthropy, offered to help the South Dakota foundation set up an online fundraising presence.

The Bush Foundation said it would match up to $25,000 raised, and the Northwest Area Foundation offered matching money up to $10,000. That means the Cheyenne River effort easily should clear $300,000, Sutton said.

The money is a godsend, Cheyenne River Chairman Joseph Brings Plenty said. More than 2,500 utility poles were felled by the Jan. 22 ice storm, putting 14,000 residents in the dark with no power, heat, gasoline or running water.

Though electricity has been restored to 95 percent of the reservation, the donated money is very much needed, Brings Plenty said. Many homes were damaged when old and decrepit water lines broke, ruining carpet and damaging floors and walls.

Donated money will go to fix those, the chairman said. It also will pay for permanent generators in shelters, for mobile trailers to be used as emergency command centers, and for blankets and pillows.

"It's definitely been a roller coaster ride. We're still in recovery at this point," Brings Plenty said. "But I really appreciate all the people who have stepped in. It's amazing. It actually started coming before any federal relief came in."

Brings Plenty said his tribe hopes it can persuade Congress to update an old and crumbling water system because, "without the proper water infrastructure, we can't build new houses and new businesses. This is something we sorely need."

The South Dakota Community Foundation collection will go to the end of the month, Sutton said. The check will be cut and presented to the tribe probably in early March, he added.

The Bush Foundation will provide oversight to ensure that the donations go to emergency and disaster relief, Sutton said.

"The tribe will decide how to spend that on emergency needs," he said. "But the Bush Foundation, their reporting requirements are very strong, very stringent. They'll make sure the funds are used for the purpose for which they are raised."

Who says people don't care; given the money donated to Haiti, people are still willing to pitch in. That's an aspect of America I'm proud of.

I think I previously posted about the health fairs Olbermann and MSNBC supported and covered, one by one. Yup, his effort got knocked all over the place, even by Bill Clinton, because he politicized it. But how about some priorities: people got health care who otherwise wouldn't, and hey, folks, Olbermann is a PUNDIT, who expects other of him than politics?
Quote:

Because of an appeal during his special comment on health care, Keith Olbermann has helped raise $1.2 million for free health care clinics, resulting in new health fairs in Little Rock, Kansas City and New Orleans.

"I propose tonight one act with two purposes," Olbermann said then. "I propose we, all of us, embrace the selfless individuals at the National Association of Free Clinics. You know them, they conducted the mass health care free clinic in Houston that served 1,500 people. I want a mass health care free clinic every week in the principle cities of the states of the six senators key to defeating a filibuster against health care reform in the Senate."

Olbermann said he wanted "Sens. Lincoln and Pryor to see what health care poverty is really like in Little Rock....Sen. Baucus to see it in Butte....Sen. Ben Nelson to see it in Lincoln....Sen. Landrieu to see it in Baton Rouge...Sen. Reid to see it in Las Vegas."

Wednesday night on "Countdown," Olbermann announced that, thanks to the generosity of "Countdown" viewers, a health fair would take place in New Orleans on November 14. This is on top of health fairs already planned for November 21 in Little Rock and December 9-10 in Kansas City.

How did this idea come about?

"We were looking for something to relieve the frustration so many people felt," Olbermann told the Huffington Post. "I thought of an insurance strike, but insurrectionist as that might sound, it would endanger lives. So Rich Stockwell, one of my Senior Producers, suggested that the Free Health Clinics group turns every dollar donated into five in services. Thus if we helped them stage clinics in the key cities, we'd get help to thousands of people, we'd relieve that sense of near-paralysis, and we might even put some pressure on those Democratic Senators who won't even commit to precluding a filibuster. So this one was Rich's."

As for the re-brand of the Public Option as "Medicare for Everyone" — which Rep. Jim Clyburn attributes to the "Countdown" host — Olbermann said, "I'm sure that originated elsewhere but I think I might have been the first to put it out there nationally."

"Get a Blue Dog to support the option and raise a million-two," he added. "I'm pretty happy with that Comment."



So, ClusterFox, what have you done lately? Just askin'...






NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:03 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And don't forget his healthcare free clinics that he tossed out as almost a throwaway idea, which then became a reality, offering FREE healthcare to thousands of people, the overwhelming majority of whom are working full-time, who just don't have any health coverage at all.

So yeah, he's partisan, and he's a shill for his own agenda, but he's consistently put his own money where his mouth is, and that gets him credit in my book. And I can still remember sitting there, wide-eyed and mouth agape, when he was the first pundit on any network I saw to take that "Cronkite moment" and declare the Iraq war a sham and a lie. I couldn't believe that someone was actually being allowed to say on the air what many of us already knew and were being vilified for saying out loud.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:27 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


Those Healthcare clinics I think make as much a statement, if not more than the " townhall " meetings that were hijacked by special interest groups.

Sad really, and in the coverage of those clinics we met people with serious conditions, undiagnosed, and would have been preventable if they had of been able to seek preventative help sooner...

very sad, makes me appreciate my healthcare system dispite its faults





Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:08 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Kropotkin > Darwin.

You understand ?

-F

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:53 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


At least MSNBCGE is owned by the homicidal US Military Industrial Complex.

Fox News is owned by Communist China and Australia.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wndi+deng&sourceid=navclient-ff&r
lz=1B3GGIC_en___US351&ie=UTF-8



NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, February 13, 2010 4:39 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hey Mike, unfair; half my post was dedicated to the health care clinics!

No, Frem, I don't understand. Pardon my ignorance?

PN, take your checking-counter rags elsewhere, thank you. Go play with your fantasies by yourself.

I don't see anyone piping up to list all the things ClusterFox has done...?





NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:29 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Kropotkin: Humans are naturally cooperative, and in lieu of any outside influence will as a general rule come together in a peaceful fashion in a group based on mutually aiding one other.

Darwin: Humans are naturally competitive, and in lieu of any outside influence will as a general rule attack and destroy competitors till only the strongest remain.


Darwin's argument is the "logic" behind the need for us to be "controlled" by Governments "for our own good", but it fails because civilization predates Government, so if that is true, where did civilization come from ?

And of course, those offering to do said controlling are always the ones advancing the argument, of course.

Kropotkin's argument is a further refinement of Rosseau's, that humans are basically decent sorts, and it takes an inhuman structure like religion or government to put them in destructive competition with each other.


Without giving that much thought to it, Olberman threw a couple chips down and bet on Kropotkins philosophy over Darwins, although I don't think he fully realized that was what he was doing in advance.

Swept the table too, didn't he ?

Just food for thought.

-F

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Sorry, Niki - I only scanned the top part about the Sioux and their troubles, and assumed (there's the culprit!) that the post was all about that issue. My bad.

Frem: Yes. Kropotkin is the fitter of the two. :)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:42 PM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
..MSNBC-GE is owned by the homicidal US Military Industrial Complex.


And not just that. They have boils on their butts too.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:05 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
So, ClusterFox, what have you done lately? Just askin'...

Oh no no no Niki. Olbermann just proves his anti-American-ism by taking the side of non-whites and poor people.

[/snark]

Sad thing is, I bet some folks will make an argument that isn't far from that in substance...

That's awesome though. Thanks for posting this. I have no TV so I had completely missed the story. It's good to know Keith is up to new tricks. I'd kind of given up on him the past few years, since he tends to take things out of context and overdo it.


Kwicko: I remember the days when any criticism of the war in Iraq got folks telling you to leave the country. *shudders* It really was bad. I also took joy in Keith over the same thing: thank goodness someone finally disagreed with the president!

-----------------------------------------------
hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:22 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Fox News does what it's suppose to do, report the news in a fair and balanced way.


Feigning interest in heart wrenching stories doesn't make up for the fact that KO and the rest of the msnbc clan are nothing but maniacal , hate filled zealots who do nothing more than froth at the mouth against freedom and decency.

If they want to go wall to wall and just raise money for good causes, then do it. But don't try to use the misery of others to prop up your pathetic excuse of a failed news channel.

Quote:

(FEDERAL INACTION ) on the storm-ravaged Cheyenne River reservation has turned into a fundraising bonanza for the tribe in north-central South Dakota.


" Barack Obama doesn't care about Native American people "






Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:35 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Anyone who believe FauxNews is fair and balanced will believe just about anything.



NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:54 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
Anyone who believe FauxNews is fair and balanced will believe just about anything.





Poll: Fox most trusted name in news


Fox is the most trusted television news network in the country, according to a new poll out Tuesday.

A Public Policy Polling nationwide survey of 1,151 registered voters Jan. 18-19 found that 49 percent of Americans trusted Fox News, 10 percentage points more than any other network.

Thirty-seven percent said they didn’t trust Fox, also the lowest level of distrust that any of the networks recorded.

There was a strong partisan split among those who said they trusted Fox — with 74 percent of Republicans saying they trusted the network, while only 30 percent of Democrats said they did.

CNN was the second-most-trusted network, getting the trust of 39 percent of those polled. Forty-one percent said they didn’t trust CNN.

Each of the three major networks was trusted by less than 40 percent of those surveyed, with NBC ranking highest at 35 percent. Forty-four percent said they did not trust NBC, which was combined with its sister cable station MSNBC.

Thirty-two percent of respondents said they trusted CBS, while 31 percent trusted ABC. Both CBS and ABC were not trusted by 46 percent of those polled.

“A generation ago you would have expected Americans to place their trust in the most neutral and unbiased conveyors of news,” said PPP President Dean Debnam in his analysis of the poll. “But the media landscape has really changed, and now they’re turning more toward the outlets that tell them what they want to hear.”

The telephone poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.8 percentage points.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/32039.html#ixzz0fWgO7DU1




Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:44 AM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
Anyone who believe FauxNews is fair and balanced will believe just about anything.





Poll: Fox most trusted name in news


Fox is the most trusted television news network in the country, according to a new poll out Tuesday.

A Public Policy Polling nationwide survey of 1,151 registered voters Jan. 18-19 found that 49 percent of Americans trusted Fox News, 10 percentage points more than any other network.

Thirty-seven percent said they didn’t trust Fox, also the lowest level of distrust that any of the networks recorded.

There was a strong partisan split among those who said they trusted Fox — with 74 percent of Republicans saying they trusted the network, while only 30 percent of Democrats said they did.

CNN was the second-most-trusted network, getting the trust of 39 percent of those polled. Forty-one percent said they didn’t trust CNN.

Each of the three major networks was trusted by less than 40 percent of those surveyed, with NBC ranking highest at 35 percent. Forty-four percent said they did not trust NBC, which was combined with its sister cable station MSNBC.

Thirty-two percent of respondents said they trusted CBS, while 31 percent trusted ABC. Both CBS and ABC were not trusted by 46 percent of those polled.

“A generation ago you would have expected Americans to place their trust in the most neutral and unbiased conveyors of news,” said PPP President Dean Debnam in his analysis of the poll. “But the media landscape has really changed, and now they’re turning more toward the outlets that tell them what they want to hear.”

The telephone poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.8 percentage points.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/32039.html#ixzz0fWgO7DU1




Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs



That doesn't mean they're Fair & Balanced. That just means a lot of morons think that they are. Just because Avatar is raking in the money at the box office doesn't mean it's a good movie. It just means a lot of people around the world have gone to see it.

I bet if you looked at the data of that poll you cited, the vast majority of those who said they trust Fox would be registered Republicans. Know why? Because Fox is biased towards them! And that still doesn't answer the original question posed as to what good deeds like this Fox has done. What good deeds have they done lately? Who have they helped out besides their advertisers?


NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ahhh, Frem, I see. Very apt. He sure did, and it was fun to watch, and it was great to see some GOOD done by a pundit of any stripe! I choose Kropotkin over Darwin too (gawd I'm ignorant and unread compared to you guys! ). But one question; didn't cavemen fight one another? Is that the origin of what we call "civilization", because I understood they waged battles among themselves and between groups. Maybe something in between Kropotkin and Darwin? I like it, tho'!

No problem Mike...tho' yes, SHAME on you! Forty lashes with a wet noodle! Now I, of course, NEVER assume, so I'm always right!

Oo, oo, oo, River; he missed the very best one: They're inhabited by a bunch of JEWS: Stewart, Colbert...wow, he really IS slipping, isn't he??

Well, Mal,
Quote:

I bet some folks will make an argument that isn't far from that in substance...

You nailed it pretty close, didn't you? Some things/people are just too boringly predictable.

I'm glad I could bring you the news; yes, Olbermann has gotten way too pompous for my taste in recent years, I prefer Stewart by far. But since our lineup is Olbermann-Maddow- (then I switch to Comedy Central_ -Stewart-Colbert, and the rest of TV SUCKS at that time, that's often my evening's enjoyment. You're missing VERY little, not having a TV--but you probably already knew that! Gawd bless DVDs, which is where I spend most of my viewing time!

It's been fun to watch. He was shocked at the response to the Sioux thing, it was fun to see how surprised he was. The health clinics were kinda fun, too, except disheartening. They drew over 1,000 people each day, had to rush a few right to the hospital, they were in such dire straits, and the doctors and nurses who volunteered their time were blown away by how many needed help, had needed help for so long, and had to come there to get it. Very poignant, and very worthwhile. And it felt good to help make both things happen, in our own little way.

Ahhh, I see the infant has joined us once again. I'm going to ignore him unless he has something of actual value to say (like that will ever happen! ). He's not even any good at provocation, now that I get the picture. Just pathetic...hardly even humorous, he's so inept.




NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:56 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I'll rephrase my statement. Anyone who thinks that any MSM news organization is fair and balanced will believe anything.



NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:04 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ooops, new posts came in. Yeah, Gordon,
Quote:

Anyone who believe FauxNews is fair and balanced will believe just about anything.

You nailed it; that's their audience to a "T"!. Same people love reality shows, and believe they're REAL, among other things...

And you're right, too: News became "newstainment" long ago; and true "journalists" are a dying breed. Dumbya got elected because people want to hear what they believe; the Tea Party movement would have gone nowhere if it hadn't grabbed the nation's frustration and anger from the late eight years and played on it. It's a sad fact, but America has become "dumbed down" for a looong time now, and ClusterFox is a perfect representation of it.

Doesn't mean any of the others are "fair and balanced", either, just IMHO, moreso and less absurd.

Cuda,
Quote:

That just means a lot of morons think that they are
Again, right on the money. BIASED toward the right? Hell, they're more right than the right, and amusingly absurd in how they go about it, too.





NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Cuda77:
That doesn't mean they're Fair & Balanced. That just means a lot of morons think that they are. Just because Avatar is raking in the money at the box office doesn't mean it's a good movie. It just means a lot of people around the world have gone to see it.



So we can fairly say that, were CBS, CNN or MSNBC viewed as most trustworthy, your sentiments about a lot of morons would be exactly the same? O.K.I can see that.

Quote:



I bet if you looked at the data of that poll you cited, the vast majority of those who said they trust Fox would be registered Republicans. Know why? Because Fox is biased towards them! And that still doesn't answer the original question posed as to what good deeds like this Fox has done. What good deeds have they done lately? Who have they helped out besides their advertisers?



Fox News isn't in the philanthropic business. It's a news channel. If offering up an alternate point of view makes them "biased", then what's that make the rest of the Left leaning news agencies ?

Quid Pro Quo.

They're in business TO help their advertisers. Well, get viewers so they can sell ads and make money for their advertisers. That's how it works. The better product they put out, the more viewers they get......

I'm sure they've done a fair amount of charity work/ community service spots. If you really care to find out, why not ask them yourself? But don't vilify them for not aiming a white hot spotlight of attention on themselves as they do it.

Olbermann has his way of doing things, and FOX has theirs. Doesn't have to be just ONE way, does there? Seems like the free market allows for all sorts of possibilities. And freedom is a good thing, no ?



Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:29 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh gawd I've GOT to quit laughing... It hurts too much! Is there ANY other single person here who can't see ClusterFox for what it is? Even if enjoyable, is there anyone deluded enough to "think" (I use the word advisedly) Crappy does?

I mean, he really, honestly believes there's no difference, that FauxNews IS fair and balanced, doesn't commit fraud, lie, that they've done "good deeds" (can't claim something if you can't back it up--you wanna diss someone for doing good works when comparing them to your right-wing blather machine, YOU gotta prove it), and that some of their pundits aren't completely out of their ever-lovin' heads (Beck comes to mind...)?




NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 12:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Oh gawd I've GOT to quit laughing... It hurts too much! Is there ANY other single person here who can't see ClusterFox for what it is? Even if enjoyable, is there anyone deluded enough to "think" (I use the word advisedly) Crappy does?

You mean, the most trusted news on t..v ? Is that what it is ?

Quote:

I mean, he really, honestly believes there's no difference, that FauxNews IS fair and balanced, doesn't commit fraud, lie, that they've done "good deeds" (can't claim something if you can't back it up--you wanna diss someone for doing good works when comparing them to your right-wing blather machine, YOU gotta prove it), and that some of their pundits aren't completely out of their ever-lovin' heads (Beck comes to mind...)?



Oh, FOX should be more like Dan Rather's " fake, but accurate" cBS ? And it's not my part to "back them up" for anything other than the news, because that's what they do, darlin'.
And if there was a crazy off, between Beck and Olbemann, Beck might be able to go toe to toe for a few rounds, but in the end, Keith would win by outlasting all contenders.



Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 2:15 AM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You mean, the most trusted news on t..v ? Is that what it is ?



You're willing to admit, though, that "most trusted" does not necessarily equal "trustworthy", though, right? Nor does it mean "fair and balanced" or "without an ulterior agenda".

Not to imply anything about any other network and their quality or lack thereof, but that simple fact is something you can accept, right?

Because you keep using that "trusted" statement as an argument.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 3:12 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


Oh, FOX should be more like Dan Rather's " fake, but accurate" cBS ?



Well, they've already got the "fake" part down pat. Now if they could only add in a little accuracy...

But Rappy will continue to trust them completely because they told him they're the most trusted.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 5:13 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Well, Mal,
Quote:

I bet some folks will make an argument that isn't far from that in substance...

You nailed it pretty close, didn't you? Some things/people are just too boringly predictable.



Yep. I think it's a cry for attention thing. This place was hard to take a few years ago - every thread became centered on those same few people -"infants" you say. Fitting. I'm with you: ignore and wait for the beta site where the ignore becomes automatic.

Um... unless antimason takes up evolution again - that I won't ignore! He's run from me twice on that topic, and I'm just waiting for him to bring the same crap up yet again...

That's beautiful and very sad what you say about the medical clinics. Our health care is unbelievable. There was a time when I could call up my local doc to numb a finger and give me a few stitches when I cut myself. Now? Forget it. Three hours in a waiting room and several hundred dollars. What the hell? The middle men own the medical industry and they've made it damned near useless.

KO had it right - what we need is those little clinics. All over the place. Even pay as you go - straight from the patient to the doctor. I bet we'd pay less and they'd make more.


-----------------------------------------------
hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 7:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


You notice, Agent, that there's no response to your question about "most trusted" and "trustworthy". Won't be, either, betcha.

As for Olberman v. Beck, Olbermann wouldn't last one round; he may be pompous, but he can't even COMPETE with Beck for insanity! The only decent competition Beck has is on his own network; and while I think he's actually crazy, I have a suspicion people like Limbagh LOOK crazy but aren't really. Now Michelle Malkin...that's another story; SHE could go toe-to-toe with Beck and it would be a tossup. Then there's Sarah Palin...tho' there's a big difference between "crazy" and "just plain stupid".

O'Reilly freely admits what he does is for ratings and he doesn't even believe some of what he says, calling himself an "entertainer"--I heard him!

It's pretty obvious who watches FauxNews exclusively; most likely the only clips they show are the extremes and edited to make others look crazier than themselves.



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 8:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, Mal, I agree with the rest, but not the little clinics. The National Association of Free Clinics (NAFC - http://www.freeclinics.us/) hosts exactly those little clinics all over America...try using any search site that finishes the search for you and type in "free clinics" and it'll finish it with "in ___" and you'll see. ?They hosted the recent big ones, and spoke quite clearly that their free clinics around the country can't begin to handle the demand.

It's not nearly enough, and it requires a lot of volunteers, doctors giving their time, etc. Small for-pay clinics don't survive, and are forced to be expensive. There are little ones all over, we've had to use them a couple of times before we could get Jo on MediCal; they're virtually straight patient-to-doctor, but they're too expensive for most people.

We need single-payer, or at least a public option, but we won't get it any time soon, if ever.

Funny you should mentione
Quote:

wait for the beta site where the ignore becomes automatic.
Last night I had a dream; I came here and the forums looked all different; they were under headings, and both "Talk Story" and "RWED" were under a heading, something like "Other" or "Real World" or something, and my first thought was "Oh, BOY, the new software is up, now I can use "ignore"! Tough to wake up and find it was a dream.



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 8:57 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You mean, the most trusted news on t..v ? Is that what it is ?



You're willing to admit, though, that "most trusted" does not necessarily equal "trustworthy", though, right? Nor does it mean "fair and balanced" or "without an ulterior agenda".

Not to imply anything about any other network and their quality or lack thereof, but that simple fact is something you can accept, right?

Because you keep using that "trusted" statement as an argument.



Well, the 'trusted' statement wasn't mine, it came from the poll. As well as most DIStrusted. That honor went to NBC ( coupled w/ MSNBC )

To claim FOX has a bias, w/ out also stating that the MSM has its own, left leaning agenda, is laughable. FOX is the response to the Left leaning media.

Some of the dimmer bulbs on this forum might expect me to fall in line, Goose stepping, if you will, w/ the "FOX NEWS IS THE GREATEST IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!!"... mantra.

feh.

I rarely even watch it. I could do w/ out MOST of the 'infotainment' shows, which I feel most confuse with the straight news portion of the channel. Chris Wallace, Brit Hume and some of their reporters are about solid professionals as you'll ever find - ANYWHERE.



Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 9:26 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Keith Olbermann blames Bush, Cheney for 9/11 attacks
http://www.infowars.com/keith-olbermann-blames-bush-cheney-for-911-att
acks
/

A second Texas Governor candidate also ‘not sure’ on 9/11
http://www.infowars.com/texas-democratic-candidate-farouk-shami-also-n
ot-sure-on-911
/




NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 10:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


A) If you "I rarely even watch it", how do you know it's so great that you're willing to defend it and compare it to others?

B) Who was it said they watched FauxNews all day? I thought that was you, but I could be wrong.

Nonetheless, I find your steadfast defense of it most interesting if you rarely watch it. From where do you get your opinion, then?

And I've got news for you; I don't think anyone here expected you to goose-step; I think the most hoped for was that you would admit it's not quite as great--or honest!--as what you've been propounding.

I repeat: ClusterFox regularly lies outright, overtly engages in out-and-out fraud, makes insane, statements which in some cases they have called treasonous when OTHERS made them of Dumbya, and can't compare to any other station when it comes to backing up their statements with FACT. Regardless of slant on any other network, those are facts.

How about a couple of examples: Like them using video from a 2008 rally and calling it "just in" in 2009?



This one on "plagerism" isn't even subtle:



Or the famous fake numbers at that Sept. 12 rally:



Hell, Hannity even APOLOGIZED for it: "it was an inadvertent mistake, but a mistake nonetheless"...how do you "mistake" editing two different rallies together? Come ON!

How about editing something that's a joke to make it look real and say they "can't believe it!"



You can find tons of this stuff if you look; MSNBC looks, that's how I've seen it. Yeah, they're slanted, but show me one instance of them pulling shit this blatant...

FoxNoise said it was "supporting the terrorists" to diss Dumbya, then called Obama a terrorist; they did the same about wish death to Dumbya, then wished death to Obama.

It just goes on and on. There are articles, video clips, tons of stuff out there. FauxNews isn't just slanted, it's fraudulent over and over again. Why so much energy on this? Because they truly make me sick, only because their audience never hears the TRUTH!



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 10:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


PN, you just pulled a "Fox". The article clearly states:
Quote:

His conclusion: For their lack of vigilance and because they “did not prioritize,” President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are to be faulted for the attacks.[the "conclusion" is erroneous; he didn't "fault", i.e., blame, them for the attacks, he said they INVITED it by negligence)

Provoked by former Bush and Rumsfeld speechwriter Marc Thiessen’s allegation that President Obama is “inviting” another attack, Olbermann noted that when President Bush was warned by the CIA that terrorists were targeting the United States and may be planning to use airliners, Bush replied, “All right, you’ve covered your ass now” and proceeded to do nothing about it.

“Why is it OK in polite company to say Mr. Obama is inviting attack, but you still can`t say that Mr. Bush not only invited attack but he sent the night watchman home?” Olbermann asked.

Where exactly is the lie?? We know full well now that there were plenty of warnings Dumbya chose to ignore, so how can anyone say Obama "invited" attack (because of what they themselves believe about his policies) when Dumbya DID leave us open to attack? Where's the lie? Slanted in some respects, I might give you, by pointing out the hypocrisy, but no out-and-out lie, no deliberate fraud; an opinion. Try again.



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 11:13 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Where exactly is the lie?? We know full well now that there were plenty of warnings Dumbya chose to ignore, so how can anyone say Obama "invited" attack (because of what they themselves believe about his policies) when Dumbya DID leave us open to attack? Where's the lie? Slanted in some respects, I might give you, by pointing out the hypocrisy, but no out-and-out lie, no deliberate fraud; an opinion. Try again.



Olbermann's entire argument is false, since no facts support it. 9/11 was an Inside Job by Bush, Cheney, Rummy, CIA, Pentagon, Ghouliani, Mossad and MI6, as confessed in writing by the Pentagon and NSA in Operation Northwoods. But Olbermann accusing Bush of causing 9/11 is 100% accurate.

President Carter and jew Zbigniew Brezinski founded "Al Qaeda" (CIA employee database), which was used by Reagan/Bush Sr to attack the Commies, used by Billary Clinton to bomb Yugoslavia. Jr Bush falsely blamed Al Qeada for 9/11, and when CIA/MI6 employee Bin Laden publicly denied guilt, he was immediately assassinated in Dec 2001.

Quote:


Obama's Jewish Polish advisor Zbigniew Brezinski founded AllCIAduh, hanging out with USAma Bin Laden in Pakistan (Village Voice 1981 when CIA agent Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro was illegally in Pakistan)

"Regret what? That secret operation (the CIA backing of Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists) was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?"
-Zbigniew Brzezinski, Le Nouvel Observateur, Jan, 1998

"I've learned an immense amount from Dr. Brzezinski."
-Hussein Obama, 12 Sept 2007
youtube.com/watch?v=ASlETEx0T-I

"I endorsed Obama."
-Zbigniew Brzezinski, MSNBC
youtube.com/watch?v=NCO7Pr7RJ7s


Dictator Hussein Obama was in Pakistan with Bin Laden in the 1980s (the crime of treason), when he got a fake degree from Columbia University as his cover in CIA.

Hussein Obama is facing assassination by the kosher NeoCons if he fails to invade Iran, via false-flag MKULTRA patsy, either with Obama's murder (like JFK), wounding (like Bush cousin John Hinkley shot Reagan) or no injury (like Manson family almost shot "Gerald Ford", born Leslie Lynch King Jr). JFK's Presidential Assassination Program to kill Castro in Operation Northwoods/Mongoose was reversed to kill JFK.

Likewise, Obama's Presidential Assassination Program to kill US citizens without arrest nor trial can likewise be used to kill Obama via Inside Job, then blame the 9/11 Truthers, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, Christians and patriots.


NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 11:56 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


niki

never said fox was perfect, but such over reaction and vilifying the network for a 1/2 second video clip snafu ?

It's right to call them out on their screw ups, as is the case for all who carry the news, but to then go ape shit over the imaginary INTENT to deceive, while ignoring what Dan Rather ( Fake, but accurate ) did.... c'mon. Even YOU must see the hypocrisy you're dealing in.



Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 1:14 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, I go ape-shit over anyone claiming FauxNews is trustworthy, it's a helluva sore point given all they've promulgated and defrauded the public with.

You seriously think it wasn't deliberate fraud to use TWO different clips from TWO different rallies to enlarge the number of people attending? Calling it "imaginary" intent is disingenuous. If you truly believe that, well, there's no hope for you then.

I didn't give just that one example, I gave several. That one's just the one that was most publicly laughed at in the media. It weren't no half second clip...if you bother to watch at all you'll see they carry on the fraud for quite some time, on different shows, and actually BUILT on the number of people until it was up to a million.

Dan Rather is one example, a valid one, but not about MSNBC, which is what you've been ragging on. You need to come up with ONE decent fraud or blatant lie from MSNBC, and you can't, whereas there are clips all over Utube and articles all over the internet about ClusterFox and their iniquities.

It's partly BECAUSE of their manifest deceit that people were manipulated into the vicious anger that destroyed the town halls, believe Obama is a socialist, that there are death panels, etc., etc. Some they started, some they merely promulgated; the end result is things were stirred up or enhanced that are harming our country.

So you betcha, I've got a chip on my shoulder where FoxNoise is concerned. People who watch nothing else come to believe their lies and don't look further. THAT's what's behind my fury. All media is slanted one way or another; what they get away with is unconscionable, and "treasonous", as they claimed anyone else was who dissed Dumbya.



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 1:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I view the use of file footage as amateurish and lazy, but not "deliberate fraud". It seems sloppy production in the video edit room gets you all riled up, but when a senior reporter ( Dan Rather ) is knee deep in an ACTUAL act of fraud, to promote a purely political agenda, it goes nearly unnoticed by you.

Why is that ?


Yes, just one example, of not just Dan Rather, but his producer as well. Oh well.

Quote:

It's partly BECAUSE of their manifest deceit that people were manipulated into the vicious anger that destroyed the town halls, believe Obama is a socialist, that there are death panels, etc., etc. Some they started, some they merely promulgated; the end result is things were stirred up or enhanced that are harming our country.


I have to guess that you meant destroyed the town hall MEETINGS, which is hardly the way I'd describe it. There was genuine anger there, and it had nothing to do how it was covered.

Obama absolutely has his issues w/ the free, capitalistic system, and may very well be a socialist. You'd have to be blind to deny that. There would be rationing of health service, under a Gov't controlled universal system. Call it what ever you like, Death Panels or not, but the end result is the same.

I could say the exact same thing, about how the MSM genned- up, fabricated and enhanced stories and view points which have harmed this country.

Like fabricating a story on the eve of a national election, for the sole purpose of influencing the vote and affecting the outcome.


And as for MSNBC, I don't consider it anything more but AirAmerica in disguise. There's the Left leaning NBC, and then there's the extreme, hyper far Left MSNBC. Not even worthy of comment, as the ratings prove.




Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 1:47 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Obama absolutely has his issues w/ the free, capitalistic system, and may very well be a socialist. You'd have to be blind to deny that.


Dubya absolutely has his issues w/ the free, capitalistic system, and may very well be a fascist. You'd have to be blind to deny that.

Oh, so YOUR statement above holds some weight IYO, but my version of the reverse absolutely wouldn't, eh?

See how balanced you are, RAPtroll?


The laughing Chrisisall

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 6:08 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I'm pretty sure Dan Rather lost his job over his lapses in judgment. Haven't seen anyone ignoring that, and it's probably a big part of why CBS didn't rank higher in that "poll".


I guess it's being suggested that most of the FauxSnooze people should lose their jobs as well, for their serious lapses in judgment and continual ignoring of (and pure fabrication of) the actual FACTS.



Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 6:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Obama absolutely has his issues w/ the free, capitalistic system, and may very well be a socialist. You'd have to be blind to deny that.


Dubya absolutely has his issues w/ the free, capitalistic system, and may very well be a fascist. You'd have to be blind to deny that.

Oh, so YOUR statement above holds some weight IYO, but my version of the reverse absolutely wouldn't, eh?

See how balanced you are, RAPtroll?

The laughing Chrisisall



Is that how you defend Obama? By childishly offering " but Bush did it too ! ". Only there's no where near the evidence against Bush as there is against Obama.

NOT

EVEN

CLOSE.




Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 7:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Did you hear something?

Sounded like static.

Chris, are you hearing it?

It's almost like those signals from space that turn out to be old radio broadcasts, coming back a couple years later, all staticky and weakened, fading in and out.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, February 15, 2010 8:04 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


very faint












Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:35 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Did you hear something?

Sounded like static.

Chris, are you hearing it?

It's almost like those signals from space that turn out to be old radio broadcasts, coming back a couple years later, all staticky and weakened, fading in and out.




Signals, being sent back from space?





And as a side bar, Robin Meade on HLN is VERY easy to watch.




Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:32 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


In answer to the original discussion..

IMHO, mind...

Keith is to Rush, as Palin is to Hillary.

It always amazes me how people who scream about 'teabaggers, Faux Noise" and "anti-christian, nazis"

like to talk about the "fringes".

As if being Independent, middle, or constitutionally alert is "fringe"...

YOU guys are fringe.

*sigh

People, really... please wake up. Being so enamored with a political party, or a social mindset (be it liberal or conservative) is NOT helping. Its actually making things worse.

SOME things are black and white... but a lot of times what we argue about here are shades of gray..

And the thing about shades of gray? Because, by their very nature, are in flux... you can NEVER apply them to people as a whole.

So what ends up happening is, people argue about things that shouldn't be applied to our entire culture... and totally ignore those that should.

Which is why, again IMHO, the only laws we should have, are those that protect our freedoms, and leave the rest to people to figure out.




NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agreed about Dan Rather and said it was a valid point previously, but if you want to ignore that, go right ahead.

How can you even conceive that the editing room would "accidentally" grab footage of a rally MONTHS BEFORE and edit into recent footage of a current rally. THAT is actual fraud, and blatant as well. It wasn't publicized as much, that's the only difference. But then publicizing FoxNoise's every fraud would be a waste; their gullible audience wouldn't hear because they only watch ClusterFox anyway.

There were other instances, I notice you didn't mention them. Like putting up footage in 2009 as "just in" of an event in 2008? Also "accidental"? Ridiculous.

Yes, there was genuine anger at the town hall meetings. But there was also immense disruption and disallowance of FREE SPEECH, or of the right of anyone there who wanted to listen to and ask questions of the representaives. Deny it if you will.

There's rationing of health care NOW, and honest to gawd death panels...every day stories emerge, FACTUAL STORIES, of insurance companies denying coverage which costs people their lives--unless it's made public, then they back-track and allow the coverage. YOU would have to be blind to deny that.

Your opinions on Obama are yours, and you're entitled to them. We'll just have to agree to disagree, because they're not my opinions.



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:03 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

SOME things are black and white... but a lot of times what we argue about here are shades of gray..

And the thing about shades of gray? Because, by their very nature, are in flux... you can NEVER apply them to people as a whole.




Can I hold you to that? Even when you start blathering on about all the "hippie libs"?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Dream on, Leon!



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:>I agreed about Dan Rather and said it was a valid point previously, but if you want to ignore that, go right ahead.

How can you even conceive that the editing room would "accidentally" grab footage of a rally MONTHS BEFORE and edit into recent footage of a current rally. THAT is actual fraud, and blatant as well. It wasn't publicized as much, that's the only difference. But then publicizing FoxNoise's every fraud would be a waste; their gullible audience wouldn't hear because they only watch ClusterFox anyway.

You ask me 'how can I conceive' when I've already told you how. There was no "accidentally" , and I never suggested as such. There was lazy and sloppy production. No question. However, you're making a mountain out of a mole hill here. If you did as thorough an anal exam of all news networks and how "factual and accurate" they were, you'd see similar screw ups and false reporting. Some of it may be intentional, but not all. So it goes w/ FOX as well.

Quote:


There were other instances, I notice you didn't mention them. Like putting up footage in 2009 as "just in" of an event in 2008? Also "accidental"? Ridiculous.

That's a complaint I have of FOX as well. They insist on hyping up updates by calling them FOX NEWS ALERTS!, implying that something new and sudden is taking place, that there's breaking news, when instead, all they are doing is giving a brief recap of what has taken place hours or even days before. I find that annoying as well. But I can choose to watch or not, as can anyone else. Most choose to still watch FOX.

Quote:


Yes, there was genuine anger at the town hall meetings. But there was also immense disruption and disallowance of FREE SPEECH, or of the right of anyone there who wanted to listen to and ask questions of the representaives. Deny it if you will.

I deny it. No one limited anyone's free speech. That's not to say there wasn't shouting going on, but no one denied the right of free speech.

Quote:

There's rationing of health care NOW, and honest to gawd death panels...every day stories emerge, FACTUAL STORIES, of insurance companies denying coverage which costs people their lives--unless it's made public, then they back-track and allow the coverage. YOU would have to be blind to deny that.


If these 'death panels' exist now, and upset you, then you'll be far more upset when the Gov't gets involved, and there's far more rationing of care.

Quote:

Your opinions on Obama are yours, and you're entitled to them. We'll just have to agree to disagree, because they're not my opinions.



Well, we don't tend to agree on much, except that we disagree.



Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
Russia says 60 dead, 145 injured in concert hall raid; Islamic State group claims responsibility
Fri, March 29, 2024 00:45 - 56 posts
Elections; 2024
Fri, March 29, 2024 00:33 - 2075 posts
Long List of Celebrities that are Still Here
Fri, March 29, 2024 00:00 - 1 posts
BUILD BACK BETTER!
Thu, March 28, 2024 23:51 - 10 posts
China
Thu, March 28, 2024 22:10 - 447 posts
Biden
Thu, March 28, 2024 22:03 - 853 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Thu, March 28, 2024 17:24 - 3413 posts
Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Thu, March 28, 2024 17:20 - 6155 posts
Well... He was no longer useful to the DNC or the Ukraine Money Laundering Scheme... So justice was served
Thu, March 28, 2024 12:44 - 1 posts
Salon: NBC's Ronna blunder: A failed attempt to appeal to MAGA voters — except they hate her too
Thu, March 28, 2024 07:04 - 1 posts
Russian losses in Ukraine
Wed, March 27, 2024 23:21 - 987 posts
human actions, global climate change, global human solutions
Wed, March 27, 2024 15:03 - 824 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL