Anyone remember this? Dick Cheney saying he wished one of the "torture memos" would be released, because it would vindicate him that they got vital info..."/>

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Cheney's famous memos lie...and more

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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:49 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Anyone remember this? Dick Cheney saying he wished one of the "torture memos" would be released, because it would vindicate him that they got vital information by the use of waterboarding?
Quote:

"One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is that they put out the legal memos... but they didn't put out the memos that show the success of the effort," Mr Cheney told Fox News.

Cheney told Fox News back in April last year:

“There are reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity. They have not been declassified. I formally ask that they be declassified now.”



Well, the memo itself still hasn’t been declassified, but the the DOJ report on torture memo authors John Yoo and Jay Bybee has been released.
Quote:

“A crucial CIA memo that has been cited by former Vice President Dick Cheney and other former Bush administration officials as justifying the effectiveness of waterboarding contained “plainly inaccurate information” that undermined its conclusions, according to Justice Department investigators.”
http://firedoglake.com/2010/02/23/early-morning-swim-rachel-maddow-on-
the-doj-torture-report-cheneys-lies
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Patrick Leahy said:
Quote:

These legal memoranda demonstrate in alarming detail exactly what the Bush administration authorized for "high value detainees" in U.S. custody. The techniques are chilling... We cannot continue to look the other way; we need to understand how these policies were formed if we are to ensure that this can never happen again. This is why my proposal for a Commission of Inquiry is necessary.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/bush-torture-memos-releas_n_1
87867.html


One of Cheney’s claims the memos would substantiate is about the effectiveness of the torture techniques, that from Abu Zubaida (sp?), the first guy subjected to them, the CIA was able to get information that led to the arrest of Jose Padilla, the alleged “dirty bomber” in May of 2003. The DOJ report points out that Padilla was actually arrested in May of 2002, BEFORE Zubaida was waterboarded, BEFORE these enhanced techniques were applied. It was an FBI agent and one of his colleagues who got this information using traditional law enforcement techniques. So one of the chief claims being used by the CIA and Cheney for the effectiveness of these techniques was called in this Justice Department “plainly inaccurate”.
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Even more shocking is the interview back in December 2005 between Prof. Doug Cassel and John Yoo:

Cassel: “If the President deems he’s got to torture somebody, including crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?”

Yoo: No treaty.

Cassel: Also no law by Congress—that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.

Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.

A Justice Department report on what John Yoo did is also quoted as saying this under questioning:

Question: What about ordering a village of resistants to be massacred...is that a power that the President could legally apply...

Yoo: Yeah. Let me say this. Though certainly fall within the Commander-in-Chief’s power over tactical decisions.

Question: To order a village of civilians exterminated?

Yoo: Sure.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/




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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Whose power is it in to have John Yoo mudered? I mean, if he were deemed a threat to the national security (and he plainly meets that definition), wouldn't the President be justified in ordering him killed?



But yes, every single piece of "evidence" they've ever produced to bolster their case has had the exact opposite effect. Remember, when you find yourself in a deep, deep hole, STOP DIGGING!




Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:52 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


By now, everyone ... or at least, everyone who's interested in knowing what REALLY happened... knows that they waterboarded suspects in order to establish a link bewteen Saddam and al Qaida. And if you waterboard someone enough, they'll tell you exactly what you want to hear.

And exterminating a village of civilians?

YEESH.

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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:59 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


But since nobody is going to be charged with anything and justice being dead

American courts too politically controlled to go after one of their own

The ICC lacking the balls and/or jurisdiction


does the truth really matter ?






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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Of course TPTB don't care. That is their power, not ours. But if anyone is going to be vicitmized by this kind of bullshit it's us. So it matters to US, even if it's a useful tool for THEM.

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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:25 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Justice isn't dead - it just doesn't exist in the dog and pony show of a legal system we pretend protects us.

Justice can be the knife in the back, Justice can be whispers in the dark, and all the world is a wheel, comin and goin, some days you get what's comin, and some days you ARE what's comin...

Knowin how they do this shit is the first step towards makin it not happen - while others can mire it down in legal roadblocks, it shows folk like me just WHERE to dump the sand, yanno ?

So yeah, it matters.

-F

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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:30 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Of course TPTB don't care. That is their power, not ours. But if anyone is going to be vicitmized by this kind of bullshit it's us. So it matters to US, even if it's a useful tool for THEM.



Until the time capital hill, or better the CFR offices are cleared out by folk with torches and pitchforks...


Its only going to go on


Knowing all the details, while interesting is redundant without some action


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/02/201022317532529311.ht
ml


may be a step,

mind you demands for a third party to investigate the actions of the US government may be the only hope...


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