Damn! There it is...I was wrong, "paranoid schizophrenic" was off base. "Sociopath", "psychopath", "antisocial personality disorder" especially; yeah, TH..."/>

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Think like a psychopath (or PN, take your choice)

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Monday, March 15, 2010 15:15
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Monday, March 15, 2010 9:13 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Damn! There it is...I was wrong, "paranoid schizophrenic" was off base. "Sociopath", "psychopath", "antisocial personality disorder" especially; yeah, THOSE explain it!
Quote:

An overactive dopamine reward system in the brain may help explain why psychopaths pursue rewards without regard for consequences, according to new research published this week in the journal Nature Neuroscience. Previous research has found that individuals who suffer from antisocial personality disorder—often referred to as sociopathology or psychopathology, despite debate over whether these are distinct conditions—lack empathy and fear. Yet this new study, from researchers at Vanderbilt University examines what these individuals may have in excess. According to the study, led by Joshua Buckholtz, a graduate student in psychology at Vanderbilt, individuals with antisocial personality disorder traits show signs of dysfunction in dopamine reward systems—suggesting that, in psychopaths, the drive toward reward can overwhelm all else.


Prior to participating in two different experiments, study subjects completed personality tests to identify presence and severity of psychopathic characteristic—including aggression, lack of empathy, and capacity for manipulation, among other things. Drawing on previous research that has established a strong link between substance abuse and psychopathology, in the first experiment researchers gave participants amphetamine, then used functional Magentic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) brain scans to monitor how dopamine release was affected by the stimulant. In a second experiment, study participants were told that they would be paid for performing a simple task, and researchers conducted brain scans while they completed the tasks.

In both experiments, researchers found that participants who had psychopathic characteristics according to the personality test, were more likely than those without those traits to have greater activity in the nucleus accumbens, the area of the brain associated with dopamine reward processing—whether in response to the chemical stimulant, or the suggestion of monetary reward.

The findings suggest that individuals with antisocial personality disorder may not be unaware of or simply dismissive of consequences, Buckholtz indicates, but instead that their intense reward-seeking motivation consumes their attention wholly until they have fulfilled their desire for reward. These findings may shed light on the violent and criminal behavior often characteristic of psychopaths, and even open doors toward new forms of treatment.

http://wellness.blogs.time.com/2010/03/15/driven-toward-reward-without
-regard-for-consequence/?hpt=T2


Let's hope those doors get opened and he gets treatment. Or not. Hey, we can hope (if anyone wants to waste the time doing so...)


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Monday, March 15, 2010 11:48 AM

BYTEMITE


Uhhhhh... There's actually some argument as to whether antisocial is the same thing as psychopathy and sociopathy. Then there's the unfortunate common use of the term to apply to just regularly shy wary people, and thus the association with something more manipulative and violent.

It's actually maybe a little telling that this particular article is lumping all three together. The rest of the article I have no qualms with, it's been suspected for a long time that there was some sort of dopamine reward issue involved with psychopathy, though it may only be just one factor. Sociopathy is not chemical in nature at all, and this article doesn't apply.

And no, I don't agree that PN is any of those three. I also don't think he's schizophrenic - technically he'd be PARANOID schizophrenia if anything, and if he wasn't trying to present a personality for a certain market I'd agree with that. But I don't think he is, his attempts to discredit himself appear deliberate so that he can sneak through a few important pieces of information.

Where his viewpoint offends are more of a matter of religious and gender intolerance.

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Monday, March 15, 2010 12:03 PM

MINCINGBEAST


has it been established that PN is not in fact a god-tier troll? trolls, as we all know, are not anti-social psychopaths (or whatever the correct diagnostic term is). rather, they are playful, joyfully malevolent souls. sort of like kitties.

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Monday, March 15, 2010 12:28 PM

CHRISISALL


My dopamine addiction takes the form of kung fu movies, were it not for the instant visceral reward associated with watching bad guys getting gracefully greased, I'd be psychopathically on my way to world dominance! Mu-hu-hu-ha-ha!


The laughing Chrisisall

"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010

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Monday, March 15, 2010 12:45 PM

BYTEMITE


Trolls come in to stir things up and get into flame wars, and that is the full extent of their contribution to an online community. Maybe I've missed some of PN's more shining moments, but my impression is that his intention is to actually try to INFORM, which is in of itself not an evil motive. So, I can't really see him as a troll.

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Monday, March 15, 2010 12:52 PM

STORYMARK


I don't see PN as a troll. Just batshit crazy.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, March 15, 2010 12:58 PM

MINCINGBEAST


trolls provide a valuable service to online communities. they are a necessary, and inevitable, part of online life.

trolls spread humor, and joy, wherever they go. they are merry trickster spirits who constantly encourage us to challenge our assumptions and refine our arguments! also, although they may stir things up on occasion, this conflict is actually beneficial. incrementum ex certamine: from conflict, growth!

perhaps I shall start a thread entitled: in defense of trolls, griefers, and other assholes. or a book?

anyway, i just cannot believe that anyone could be as shithouse-mouse-crazy as PN, and still 1) be a fan of firefly and 2) figure out how to log onto the internet. part of me wants, and needs, to believe that it is an act.

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Monday, March 15, 2010 1:19 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Trolls come in to stir things up and get into flame wars, and that is the full extent of their contribution to an online community. Maybe I've missed some of PN's more shining moments, but my impression is that his intention is to actually try to INFORM, which is in of itself not an evil motive. So, I can't really see him as a troll.




Well, there ARE times when he comes in solely to muck things up (check just about any of Niki's threads, for instance).

As far as those definitions of sociopathy or psychopathy, I'd have to say I definitely used to fit them, if I don't still. Lack of fear, lack of concern for consequences? Check. Doing things for the adrenaline rush alone, and for no other reason? Yup.

As I've aged, I've gotten past most of it, but some of it's still there.






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Monday, March 15, 2010 2:32 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Always amazes me just how bloody primitive our understanding of psychology is, mostly cause we either never manage to get past our own prejudices in studying it, or refuse to let go our myths (born better/born bad) and therefore automatically dismiss any evidence that infringes on em no matter how valid.

The folks running this study are, euphamistically, still trying to understand that those scratchings on the wall have meaning, while Perry and the CITIVAS team are writing poetry - I wasn't kidding when I said they were light years ahead of any other research on this topic.
http://www.childtrauma.org/

They probably meant well, but other than proving the bloody obvious in the most redundant fashion I can imagine, I fail to see what they hoped to, or did accomplish there, and lumping three seperate disorders into one category is not only bad science, it's a political gesture which any scientist worth the name would find seriously offensive cause it's come to light recently even to the scientific community that there ARE "anti-social" folk who engage in reclusiveness, hikikomori or misanthropy not from mental illness, but from a profound disgust over irreconcilable moral differences with the society of their geographic region.

To label anyone who doesn't fit into the socially acceptable pigeonholes as mentally ill is the first step down a road we're better off not taking.

-Frem

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Monday, March 15, 2010 3:15 PM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Always amazes me just how bloody primitive our understanding of psychology is, mostly cause we either never manage to get past our own prejudices in studying it, or refuse to let go our myths (born better/born bad) and therefore automatically dismiss any evidence that infringes on em no matter how valid.


-Frem


One of the problems I’ve always had with psychiatrists and psychologists is that it often is just the mentally ill diagnosing the mentally ill, kind of like this thread.

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