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Kwickie, Niki,.... anyone ? A little help here.

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Friday, March 26, 2010 10:49 AM

AURAPTOR

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Y'all obviously are 100% reliable on such matters, so I can be certain that this will be resolved in short order.

As has been posted already in this forum, Andrew Breibart is offering to pay 10 grand to the UNCF if ANYONE can produce evidence which supports the claim that Lewis and members of his group were spat on and had racial epithets yelled at them during last week's activities.

Quote:



2010: A Race Odyssey — Disproving a Negative for Cash Prizes or, How the Civil Rights Movement Jumped the Shark
by Andrew Breitbart


As I have said over and over and over, the left has one trick that it will use again and again when its back is in the corner: shout ‘racist’ in a crowded country.
On Saturday, during the peaceful and patriotic tea party protest at the Capitol, the Democrats staged a series of symbolic acts meant to manipulate the media to do its bidding. The Congressional Black Caucus pulled the Selma card and chose to walk through the crowd in the hopes of creating a YouTube incident.


It’s time for the allegedly pristine character of Rep. John Lewis to put up or shut up. Therefore, I am offering $10,000 of my own money to provide hard evidence that the N- word was hurled at him not 15 times, as his colleague reported, but just once. Surely one of those two cameras wielded by members of his entourage will prove his point.
And surely if those cameras did not capture such abhorrence, then someone from the mainstream media — those who printed and broadcast his assertions without any reasonable questioning or investigation — must themselves surely have it on camera. Of course we already know they don’t. If they did, you’d have seen it by now.
THOUSANDS OF TIMES.

Rep. Lewis, if you can’t do that, I’ll give him a backup plan: a lie detector test. If you provide verifiable video evidence showing that a single racist epithet was hurled as you walked among the tea partiers, or you pass a simple lie detector test, I will provide a $10K check to the United Negro College Fund.

http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2010/03/25/2010-a-race-odyssey-dis
proving-a-negative-for-cash-prizes-or-how-the-civil-rights-movement-jumped-the-shark
/





Where's the video ? Through work, running around and tuning in to Right Wing radio, the news of any such video being produced hasn't caught up to me yet.

But I know it has to be out there. Y'all, I'm sure, have a link to it handy, right ? So if you could do us ALL a favor, and post it here, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks bunches in advance.







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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:02 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Is this the new level of evidence in RappyWorld? No video, no proof?

Where's the video of Bill Ayres bombing anything? You claim he did it - where's your proof?

Where's your proof that Obama's a socialist? Got video of him saying it? Post it up, or admit that you're lying! Surely some enterprising journalist actually has video of it, right? I mean, the guy has more cameras pointed at him than Heidi Montag!

Got any video of Saddam strapping nukes onto a camel? I'll give you $10k if you do! But if you don't, you have to admit that Bush was lying all along. Sound like a deal?

I mean, help me out here - are you actually saying that if nobody caught it on video, it never happened?




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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:11 AM

KANEMAN


Aur, you know and I know that it was never yelled 15times. It was yelled by one idiot, and when the people around him looked at him for the fool he was and he shut up.

So, let 'em have fun with this tea partiers are all racists and rep..for all we know the guy could have been a dem. there are hundreds of them at tea rallys to.....

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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:13 AM

AURAPTOR

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Kwickie,

There were 1000's of people there, and it was widely videoed, both with hand held cams, cell phones and by the throngs of media in attendance.

It was a very public event.

Quote:

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., said he was a few yards behind Lewis and distinctly heard "******."
"It was a chorus," Cleaver said. "In a way, I feel sorry for those people who are doing this nasty stuff - they're being whipped up. I decided I wouldn't be angry with any of them."
Cleaver's office said later in a statement that he'd also been spat upon and that Capitol Police had arrested his assailant. The statement praised the police, who Cleaver said escorted the members of Congress into the Capitol past the demonstrators.

*"The man who spat on the congressman was arrested, but the congressman has chosen not to press charges," the statement said.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/201...l#ixzz0jJpXUdw0



* ( EDIT - See video below ! )

*Funny, no one saw this guy get arrested, his name wasn't released, and there doesn't appear to be any public record of him being charged, detained, or anything. With all those people standing around, with all the attention on the Congressmen and those marching, some shadow figure got close enough to spit on them, get detained by the cops, but not ONE person caught any of this on video ?

Really ?? ( No, silly...see the video below! )

I say, if this DID happen, then waterboard the dirtbags who chanted slurs and spat on our Congressmen. ( but that's just me talkin' ) But, as is always the case, I'd prefer we did it to the properly ID'd individuals, and not some innocent bystanders.

So, no video of it yet ?


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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:18 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Kwickie,

There were 1000's of people there, and it was widely videoed, both with hand held cams, cell phones and by the throngs of media in attendance.

It was a very public event.

Quote:

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., said he was a few yards behind Lewis and distinctly heard "******."
"It was a chorus," Cleaver said. "In a way, I feel sorry for those people who are doing this nasty stuff - they're being whipped up. I decided I wouldn't be angry with any of them."
Cleaver's office said later in a statement that he'd also been spat upon and that Capitol Police had arrested his assailant. The statement praised the police, who Cleaver said escorted the members of Congress into the Capitol past the demonstrators.

*"The man who spat on the congressman was arrested, but the congressman has chosen not to press charges," the statement said.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/201...l#ixzz0jJpXUdw0



*Funny, no one saw this guy get arrested, his name wasn't released, and there doesn't appear to be any public record of him being charged, detained, or anything. With all those people standing around, with all the attention on the Congressmen and those marching, some shadow figure got close enough to spit on them, get detained by the cops, but not ONE person caught any of this on video ?

Really ??

I say, if this DID happen, then waterboard the dirtbags who chanted slurs and spat on our Congressmen. ( but that's just me talkin' ) But, as is always the case, I'd prefer we did it to the properly ID'd individuals, and not some innocent bystanders.

So, no video of it yet ?


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."




Wow - now you've both changed your rules of evidence that something happened (it has to be on video, or it didn't happen) AND you've raised your bar on why you'd waterboard people. In the past, all that was required for you to cheerlead waterboarding was the merest hint that someone MIGHT be associated with Al Qaeda, or might even be a Muslim. Why would you want more proof than that in this instance?

And why do you now support waterboarding U.S. citizens? I find that a bit disturbing.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:19 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

But I know it has to be out there. Y'all, I'm sure, have a link to it handy, right ? So if you could do us ALL a favor, and post it here, I'd appreciate it.


This kind of thing finally means proof there is no God also.
Hmmm.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:22 AM

AURAPTOR

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So far, 2 replies by Kwickie, & no video. I've even broadened the burden of proof to any official report ,a name, anything which points to anyone specific to having actually committed this crime.

Nothin ?

Anyone else ?

I think we all deserve to know...

Was it a crowd of folks, chanting 15 times ?

Was it 1 nut case, alone, blurting out ?

Was it no one..... ?


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:22 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Is this the new level of evidence in RappyWorld? No video, no proof?

Where's the video of Bill Ayres bombing anything? You claim he did it - where's your proof?

Where's your proof that Obama's a socialist? Got video of him saying it? Post it up, or admit that you're lying! Surely some enterprising journalist actually has video of it, right? I mean, the guy has more cameras pointed at him than Heidi Montag!

Got any video of Saddam strapping nukes onto a camel? I'll give you $10k if you do! But if you don't, you have to admit that Bush was lying all along. Sound like a deal?

I mean, help me out here - are you actually saying that if nobody caught it on video, it never happened?




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions




Bill ayers and his 4 parners did bomb stuff(best part themselves...fucking idiots) he was part of the weathermen...needing a video is retarded. hundreds are saying nigger was not yelled over and over. Only people saying that it was yelled more than once, are the real racists here...the black caucus...and you know that

Obamacare... nuff said

When did Bush ever say saddam strapped nukes to a cammel? you should really try to keep your point grounded in reality, otherwise its like reading gibberish....it means nothing..


So, for your last question(i think) what he's saying is... he takes the word of hundreds of patriotic americans over those of a few racists....the black congressmen

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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:23 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

But I know it has to be out there. Y'all, I'm sure, have a link to it handy, right ? So if you could do us ALL a favor, and post it here, I'd appreciate it.


This kind of thing finally means proof there is no God also.
Hmmm.




Well, there IS no God. But that's not the issue here.




Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Cute. Unimaginative, wind, and not particularly amusing. You know one hasn't come forth. You also know that proves nothing. But here's some evidence that they might well do so:


(we've all seen this one. They had the decency to kick this guy out of the event for this sign)















They have no problem using their children,





Why would they have any problem using their mouths?

And here's what's being said (I'm actually rather proud of FauxNews' response!)



This is an absurd, pathetic thread. Blow on, wind...


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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:39 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Video of spitting incident
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/video-of-the-spitting-incident
-appears-on-youtube/




well that settles that part...the guy never spat on him...more telling is i never heard niggar...

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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:49 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Cute. Unimaginative, wind, but cute. You know one hasn't come forth. You also know that proves nothing. But here's some evidence that they might well do so:


(we've all seen this one. They had the decency to kick this guy out of the event for this sign)















They have no problem using their children,





Why would they have any problem using their mouths?

And here's what's being said (I'm actually rather proud of FauxNews' response!)



This is an absurd, pathetic thread. Blow on, wind...


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10



No problem using thier children?(your assuming its a bad thing ..I think its great seeing parents teach thier children civic responsibility young) Nor, does the other side, how long would it take you to find a kid holding an anti-bush sign? really? clearly you see how absurd these pictures are. and how even more absurd your comments are.Same with obama as hitler...put up the millions of bush-hitler pics that are on the web. Every other poster was spot on. Obama does support abortion, is bankrupting our nation, etc....

I also found the congress-slave owner+ tax payer - niggar sign...rather accurate considering what the definition of niggar is. Bad taste sure. But you can find a poster in bad taste in any crowd



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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:52 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Video of spitting incident
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/video-of-the-spitting-incident
-appears-on-youtube
/



More like Say it, don't Spray it!

The Congressman walked literally right in front of the man's cupped hands, so it's iffy at best if there was any actual spitting goin on. Sure, he made the gesture of wiping off something, but only after he had taken a few steps, and after he had turned and faced the guy. Might easily have just been reacting to the old man yelling in his ear..... And isn't the first reflect anyone has when something hits their face is to wipe it off, and THEN turn and look ?

Cop was right there, I mean RIGHT there beside the incident, and no one even thought to make a move until long after the congressman had left the area ?

Meh, could be... but I'm kinda doubting it.

But I didn't see anyone chanting 'n*****!' over and over, as was claimed. Not in that clip

Maybe another clip is out there which shows that incident ?

Hey Kwickie, still doubt me now ?? I asked for video evidence, and sure enough.....we settled at least 1 rumor.

I count this myth - BUSTED!






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Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:56 AM

AURAPTOR

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nikki

Thanks for responding, but despite the 11 pics / videos you DID post, not ONE of them was relevant to the question I posed.

Scroll up to the top of the page, if you need to understand the question again.




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Friday, March 26, 2010 11:57 AM

KANEMAN


I'm looking everywhere but i can't find it...kill the bill is all i hear. These news orgs. that run with this shit are the ones with the mob mentality.....shameful.

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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:04 PM

KANEMAN


Funny part is looking for vids on youtube or google vid, no matter how i phrase "yelling niggar at" the vids that come up are of black guys saying niggar....

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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:12 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Funny part is looking for vids on youtube or google vid, no matter how i phrase "yelling niggar at" the vids that come up are of black guys saying niggar....



Interesting, at the end of the video, you can see Rep Cleaver come back into frame, and this time w/ a black officer, looking for the ' spitter '. He's standing RIGHT NEXT to the guy, and doesn't realize it. The 'perp' has no real interest in the Rep, and hasn't any idea he's being looked for himself. The old man doesn't try to hide or confront them, in the least.




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Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:12 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, I responded alright. It's you who need to scroll up to read my response. It's YOUR THREAD which is irrelevant.

By the way, the gentleman who spat on Cleaver? Just to clarify:
Quote:

This afternoon, the Congressman was walking into the Capitol to vote, when one protester spat on him. The Congressman would like to thank the US Capitol Police officer who quickly escorted the other Members and him into the Capitol, and defused the tense situation with professionalism and care.

After all the Members were safe, a full report was taken and the matter was handled by the US Capitol Police. The man who spat on the Congressman was arrested, but the Congressman has chosen not to press charges. He has left the matter with the Capitol Police.

So I guess the officer CLOSE TO HIM and Capitol Police saw something different from what you guys did.

The Kanewind is also incorrect or lying. I looked it up a while back, and what you get are videos about the nigger incident for the first five videos.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:19 PM

KANEMAN


Yeah Aur, that video shows nothing. What I think is ...a a black guy is walking into work where there is a crowd of white guys yelling at 'em, they have been conditioned by the liberals thier whole lives to expect that crowd to be racist...so they hear what they want to...I never hear anything racist..and I bet if that guy offered a million$ no video would show up. Makes you wonder how mob like our media is 'cause this story is big....

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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:20 PM

AURAPTOR

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nikki

Did you watch the whole video ?

It's funny to see Congressman Cleaver standing right NEXT to the 'spitter' ( man in the white hat ) and doesn't even notice it's him !!

And it's even funnier to watch the video,and then have to read the fanciful retelling of events , by the Congressman.

"...who quickly escorted the other Members and him into the Capitol,"

No, they just continued on walking, at their regular pace as if nothing had happened. Because nothing of any real note HAD happened.

The lady cop was RIGHT there, and didn't in the least bit flench. She was the officer on scene, so why didn't SHE come back and try to ID the guy ?

Why'd they come back w/ a male officer, and not her ?

And you can clearly see the man, ( in the white ball cap ) standing next to Rep. Cleaver. He's not taunting or trying to hide from him or the cop. He's just standing there, like anyone else would, who didn't do anything wrong.




Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:22 PM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Oh, I responded alright. It's you who need to scroll up to read my response. It's YOUR THREAD which is irrelevant.

By the way, the gentleman who spat on Cleaver? Just to clarify:
Quote:

This afternoon, the Congressman was walking into the Capitol to vote, when one protester spat on him. The Congressman would like to thank the US Capitol Police officer who quickly escorted the other Members and him into the Capitol, and defused the tense situation with professionalism and care.

After all the Members were safe, a full report was taken and the matter was handled by the US Capitol Police. The man who spat on the Congressman was arrested, but the Congressman has chosen not to press charges. He has left the matter with the Capitol Police.

So I guess the officer CLOSE TO HIM and Capitol Police saw something different from what you guys did.

The Kanewind is also incorrect or lying. I looked it up a while back, and what you get are videos about the nigger incident for the first five videos.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10




What do you mean...saw different than you guys did? Watch the video. You have got to admit it is nothing. Unless the whole blinders thing is true.

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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:31 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh please, any time you spike the ball in his face, he just moves the goalposts back.

I don't see any need to play his game, any more than I see a need to play theirs.

Let him play with himself, like most of the other nut fondlers on the right wing, I'm sure he's got plenty of experience with that.

-F

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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:34 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Oh please, any time you spike the ball in his face, he just moves the goalposts back.

I don't see any need to play his game, any more than I see a need to play theirs.

Let him play with himself, like most of the other nut fondlers on the right wing, I'm sure he's got plenty of experience with that.

-F



Odd, how such a simple, straight forward request gets some folks all flustered and cranky.

No 'game' here. I asked for a video, got one, and am still looking for another.

Why all the fuss ?


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, March 26, 2010 2:06 PM

AURAPTOR

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Still waiting for part 2. You know, the chants of " n*****! n*****! n*****! " over and over.

Should be along any moment now.

And, unlike the 'spray it' video, there'll be no getting out of this one. No excuses for shouting that an - well, anyone.


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, March 26, 2010 2:38 PM

KANEMAN


Anyone?....No.

Good post Aur, its hilarious that this whole story is bullshit. I had'nt even thought about it. I took it for granted the way it was covered by the media that there was video or something. It's like watching the film sixth sense for the first time. now I look back and am like, Wow, I was tricked , and the whole time it was right there before my eyes. Even worse than that...are these guys that are still buying it. That's like watching the sixth sense and argueing that he wasn't dead.

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Friday, March 26, 2010 2:56 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Anyone?....No.

Good post Aur, its hilarious that this whole story is bullshit. I had'nt even thought about it. I took it for granted the way it was covered by the media that there was video or something. It's like watching the film sixth sense for the first time. now I look back and am like, Wow, I was tricked , and the whole time it was right there before my eyes. Even worse than that...are these guys that are still buying it. That's like watching the sixth sense and argueing that he wasn't dead.




And if it can be done with this one event.....


The signal goes everywhere folks.....


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, March 26, 2010 5:46 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Anyone?....No.

Good post Aur, its hilarious that this whole story is bullshit. I had'nt even thought about it. I took it for granted the way it was covered by the media that there was video or something. It's like watching the film sixth sense for the first time. now I look back and am like, Wow, I was tricked , and the whole time it was right there before my eyes. Even worse than that...are these guys that are still buying it. That's like watching the sixth sense and argueing that he wasn't dead.




And if it can be done with this one event.....


The signal goes everywhere folks.....





Just think - if you could do that, why... you could even lie about someone having WMD as a pretense to invade their country!

Still waiting for that video of the WMD that Saddam still had in 2003, the ones that Rumsfeld said we KNEW were there - to the east, and west, and to the north, and to the south, somewhat, of Baghdad.

Where's THAT video?

Anyone? No?


If it could be done with that one event...




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Friday, March 26, 2010 5:58 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Hell, you must be right - I can't find a single racist thing in this entire tea-bagging video clip:

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Friday, March 26, 2010 6:07 PM

AURAPTOR

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kwickie - Why do you keep posting here if it's not to post any video of folks yelling racial slurs at Lewis and Cleaver ?

You want to divert attention to other side issues instead of dealing w/ the entire point of this thread.

Why is that ?


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


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Friday, March 26, 2010 6:07 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Please explain to me what your montage has to do with Cleaver hearing racial insults at one particular rally. Not trying to obfuscate the issue I hope.

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Friday, March 26, 2010 6:12 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Please explain to me what your montage has to do with Cleaver hearing racial insults at one particular rally. Not trying to obfuscate the issue I hope.



I'm at a loss to explain it.

Seems ( and I freely confess, I may be wrong ) that some here simply want to deploy the " Yeah, but... ." tactic.

Like... There's no evidence to support Lewis's claim, BUT, there are non related videos of folks which we think back up our overall claim, even if we can't address the point being presented HERE.

$ 10,000 to the United Negro College Fund seems like a decent amount of scratch. And if the Dems can truly back up their much ballyhooed public accusations and paint their political rivals in a VERY negative light....that's a win, win, win !!


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Friday, March 26, 2010 6:43 PM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hell, you must be right - I can't find a single racist thing in this entire tea-bagging video clip:

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Putting together a video full of any crap is easy. But, I like how you refer to the tea party as tea baggers..like a gay sexual act is bad

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Friday, March 26, 2010 7:03 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
kwickie - Why do you keep posting here if it's not to post any video of folks yelling racial slurs at Lewis and Cleaver ?

You want to divert attention to other side issues instead of dealing w/ the entire point of this thread.

Why is that ?




Why do you keep asserting that if no video has been posted of an incident yet, that the incident in question never happened? Why is that?

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Friday, March 26, 2010 7:05 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Please explain to me what your montage has to do with Cleaver hearing racial insults at one particular rally. Not trying to obfuscate the issue I hope.




Goes to establish precedent. These are your people, the people you INSIST really aren't racists.

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Friday, March 26, 2010 7:07 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hell, you must be right - I can't find a single racist thing in this entire tea-bagging video clip:

#




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions




Putting together a video full of any crap is easy. But, I like how you refer to the tea party as tea baggers..like a gay sexual act is bad



Actually, that's what they called themselves when they started. I find it humorous that they didn't know about the homosexual meaning of the phrase, and it seems to rankle them to be reminded of their idiocy in coining their own phrase for their actions and then trying to run away from it as far and as fast as the could.

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Friday, March 26, 2010 7:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Why do you keep asserting that if no video has been posted of an incident yet, that the incident in question never happened? Why is that?



And yet another post w/ no video.

I think I proved my point already, and explained it well enough, from the video posted above.

I'll not repeat myself on this matter.


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


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Friday, March 26, 2010 7:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Why do you keep asserting that if no video has been posted of an incident yet, that the incident in question never happened? Why is that?



And yet another post w/ no video.

I think I proved my point already, and explained it well enough, from the video posted above.

I'll not repeat myself on this matter.





Run away! It's what you do.




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Friday, March 26, 2010 7:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


No audio or video clip yet ?

Really?

Huh.


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
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Friday, March 26, 2010 7:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
No audio or video clip yet ?

Really?

Huh.




Ever find that video of Saddam in possession of his vast stores of WMD in 2003?

Really?

Huh.

As always, you've got no case. But don't feel too bad - that war only cost us a few trillion dollars and several thousand American lives.




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Friday, March 26, 2010 7:39 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
As always, you've got no case. But don't feel too bad - that war only cost us a few trillion dollars and several thousand American lives.




Case was already made, son. And it's not MY case, as I plainly pointed out. Must be your reading comprehension deficiencies.

Sorry 'bout that.

Scroll back up to the top post, if ya can, and re-read what this thread is about.


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Friday, March 26, 2010 7:55 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




Quote:


Scroll back up to the top post, if ya can, and re-read what this thread is about.




Oh, I read what this thread is about; it's about you claiming that if video of an event isn't posted yet, that event didn't occur. You're claim is that if you find a fallen tree in the forest, not only did it not make a sound - it never fell in the first place!

What *I* was trying to do was hold you to your own standard. Obviously, you have nothing to offer in that regard, which by your own logic PROVES that Saddam indeed did not have WMD. Now, I *DO* have video of Bush saying things that were categorically untrue, so there's proof that he lied about the whole thing. :)

Sorry that you can't handle the inconvenience of anyone asking you to adhere to your own standards, but life's a bitch. Deal with it.




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Friday, March 26, 2010 7:56 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Of, if you don't like that answer, try this one:

You're not worthy of a response. I owe you nothing.



Hey, it's good enough for you and BDN...


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Friday, March 26, 2010 8:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Oh, I read what this thread is about; it's about you claiming that if video of an event isn't posted yet, that event didn't occur. You're claim is that if you find a fallen tree in the forest, not only did it not make a sound - it never fell in the first place!



See, now you're up too late, and not even making any sense.

Quote:


What *I* was trying to do was hold you to your own standard. Obviously, you have nothing to offer in that regard, which by your own logic PROVES that Saddam indeed did not have WMD. Now, I *DO* have video of Bush saying things that were categorically untrue, so there's proof that he lied about the whole thing. :)

Feel free to start your own thread on that matter, or any other. But if you can't oblige a simple request here, then move along.

Quote:


Sorry that you can't handle the inconvenience of anyone asking you to adhere to your own standards, but life's a bitch. Deal with it.



I think it's pretty cool for Breithart to make such an sincere and open offer to uncover the truth, don't you ? I mean, if just ONE of those many thousand's of citizens, or members of the media caught folks chanting racial epithets, that'd be very news worthy, right ? Even more so than some old guy yelling in Rep. Cleaver's ear ( which was caught on video, btw ) There's a clip of it, right up there.....

Dunno about you, but I'd like to see the thugs harassing our Congressmen exposed on video, for all to see.

Low life punks.


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:28 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Of, if you don't like that answer, try this one:

You're not worthy of a response. I owe you nothing. Hey, it's good enough for you and BDN...



... and Mal. Wouldn't want to be playing favorites now would you.

Try this answer on for size. No matter what the present administration does, What about Bush and Iraq? Your ability to inject that tired old talking point into almost every discussion is near miraculous. You've almost reached Signy's anti-capitalism rant stage. (See her thread supposedly regarding big government)

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Saturday, March 27, 2010 6:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I didn't even bother reading this one, it's just more sniping and idiocy:
Quote:

1 : extreme mental retardation commonly due to incomplete or abnormal development of the brain
2 : something notably stupid or foolish

This thread was irrelevant to begin with, and being stuck on the fact there is not and won't be a video is childish and shows the inability to discuss anything. A pox on both your houses, and a little teeny pox on those who try to add reasonable posts. Why encourage idiocy?

Give it up, guys, it only makes you as childish as them. The dust bunny can go on asking for a video all day, like it has some relevance, and showing them all the racial stuff that IS out there doesn't mean shit to them.

By the way, Mike, I posted most of those signs already. Trying to show that the mentality is racist and that they're perfectly capable of shouting the same sort of stuff they've WRITTEN is a waste of time.

STILL looking for a decent discussion, but quickly getting beyond caring...


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:31 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I didn't even bother reading this one, it's just more sniping and idiocy:
Quote:

1 : extreme mental retardation commonly due to incomplete or abnormal development of the brain
2 : something notably stupid or foolish




Why bother to respond to a thread you couldn't even be bothered to read?
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
This thread was irrelevant to begin with, and being stuck on the fact there is not and won't be a video is childish and shows the inability to discuss anything. A pox on both your houses, and a little teeny pox on those who try to add reasonable posts. Why encourage idiocy?


Who made you the arbiter of what is relevant? Why can you start several anti-Republican threads but no one is allowed to take a swipe at the Dems?
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Give it up, guys, it only makes you as childish as them. The dust bunny can go on asking for a video all day, like it has some relevance, and showing them all the racial stuff that IS out there doesn't mean shit to them.


What is so childish about having an opinion counter to yours? What is so grown up about marginalizing the opinions of those you disagree with (blowing air, dust bunny)?
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
By the way, Mike, I posted most of those signs already. Trying to show that the mentality is racist and that they're perfectly capable of shouting the same sort of stuff they've WRITTEN is a waste of time.


Let's make a few more generalizations while we're at it.
The whole point was to show that both sides make-up shit to curry favour. Not that there are no racist tea partiers.
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
STILL looking for a decent discussion, but quickly getting beyond caring...


You check out the big government thread? Kwicko accused me of never laying out my positions. Of only sniping from the sidelines. When he gets what he asked for, he is no where to be found. Signy too, for that matter. Guess he really is only in it for the argument and to get the last word in. But I digress.

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Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


My point was that this thread and others have degenerated into bickering, NOT that good points weren't made along the line. I'm just not interested in fighting my way through all the bullshit to find the few good points made and address them. Besides the fact there are better things to do with anyone's time, I think if I DID address them, one or the other of the snipers (and I DEFINITELY include Mike) will pop in, have a go at me, and it'd go back to what it was.

I don't know what the points made were in between all that; I saw where it was going and said so. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me, and will happily debate reasoned argument. I don't feel that yours was. And this thread never WAS that, it was a snipe about a video which obviously isn't going to be found, and an obvious snark at Mike and I.

Why bother responding? Because I have a right to call it what it is, to my own opinion, and to voice same. I only came back to check and see if by any chance it had re-evolved into a discussion or debate. Nothing more.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:43 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


' Do They Wear White Hoods at Their Tea Parties?

Mar 26th, 2010 | By David Franke

Category: Featured, Politics

I did not watch the coverage of the protests against Obamacare last weekend, nor the coverage of the actual passing of the health care bill, nor the coverage of President Obama’s signing. I had had enough by the time all this came up. I knew where I stood, nothing that happened in the last 24 hours was going to change my mind, and I definitely had better things to do.

Therefore I did not “see” any of that happen in real time, and cannot vouch for what happened one way or the other. I have seen some after-the-fact coverage on CNN and MSNBC, but just a little before I could get around to changing the channel.

But now I’m concerned about the accusations of racism being hurled at the Tea Party protesters. In particular, charges that they shouted epithets at black members of Congress as they were headed for the Capitol chambers to vote.

If that charge is accurate, it points – at the very least – to pretty poor crowd control on the part of the Tea Party organizers. I do not believe they are so morally deficit as to condone something like that, or so politically tone-deaf that they wouldn’t realize how an incident like that can damage and even destroy a movement.

So, I turned with interest to an article forwarded to me, “Anatomy of a Racial Smear,” by Jack Cashill. It appears to be a pretty well-reasoned article, even though it appears in a neocon rag (The American Thinker) that I don’t usually cite approvingly.

“Tea Party protesters scream ‘nigger’ at black congressman.”

That’s the headline on an article Cashill says was written by reporter William Douglas, and published by the McClatchy Newspapers chain. I couldn’t believe a supposedly respectable newspaper chain would put something that inflammatory in print, so I started Googling, and here it is, right on the chain’s site.

The question then becomes, is it true? And Cashill does a convincing job of taking that headline apart, word by word, as well as the article itself. Truth, it appears, is pretty elusive. The smear, you come to believe, is everywhere in that McClatchy headline and article.

Check it out. Read Cashill’s article, and while you’re at it, definitely check out his links – a video of the Tea Party protesters shouting at the congressional Black Caucus (see if you can hear the “N” word) and an audio link of House Majority Whip James CIyburn, who walked with the Black Caucus contingent, admitting to Keith Olbermann afterwards, “I didn’t hear the slurs.” (Maybe that’s because there were none?)

Use of the word “nigger” has no place in our political discourse, of course, or in protests. But so far the only place I’ve actually seen or heard use of the epithet is in that McClatchy Newspapers headline and article.

Videotapes are everywhere today. Has anyone actually seen or heard a tape where the Tea Party protesters at the Capitol used racial taunts or epithets? If so, please bring this to my attention. Short of some real evidence, all we seem to have is the “word” of members of the Black Caucus and an apparently biased reporter. I wouldn’t take the word of a Black Caucus congressman if he had both hands on the Bible, they are such propagandists. Ha, that’s probably true with any Member of Congress other than Ron Paul, so maybe I’m being racist myself in singling out the Black Caucus. But they are very conspicuous propagandists, and they’re the center of this particular story.

I’ve personally witnessed only one Tea Party gathering, the original one on Capitol Hill last year, and that was as an observer. I wanted to see how many people showed up. What I saw were very ordinary Americans. Definitely not the Beautiful People you see at Washington soirées, both on the Left and the Right. Most of them probably were not exactly “sophisticated” in their way of expressing their concerns – ordinary Americans, after all, have better things to pursue with their lives than politics, things such as jobs, family, etc. But they were angry enough to get off their duffs and come to Washington to protest. That anger, however, was directed at the federal government’s messing up their lives, and our nation’s future. I certainly heard or saw no anger that was racist.

Isn’t this the kind of civic involvement all the “good government” types say we should be encouraging? Why is it (in the MSM) that only leftist rallies and demonstrations are portrayed as virtuous?

I am certain there are some racists in the Tea Party movement, just as there are in any broad-based movement. That doesn’t mean they define it, and from what I’ve seen, the Tea Party organizers have tried to weed them out. Heck, there are racists in any big civil rights gathering, only their racism is directed at whites. I see fear of homos and fear of Mexicans as much bigger problems on the Right today.

Do not mistake vehemence for something more sinister.

By the way, can anyone explain why the members of the Black Caucus were walking through the crowd? Where were they coming from? Since I didn’t watch the live coverage, I have no idea why they were there.

Congressmen usually take the underground Capitol Hill subway when going from their Senate and House office buildings (if that’s where they were coming from) to the Capitol for a vote. And if they are arriving by car, the car usually pulls right up to an entrance of the Capitol, so in that case they wouldn’t be walking a gauntlet through the crowd. Call me Mr. Suspicious, but it sort of looks to me like they wanted to provoke a reaction – not such a stretch for members of the Black Caucus. Call me Mr. Conspiracist, but I think I smell a set-up.

So, show me the videotape or recording evidence – not of vehemence, but of actual racism. If you produce it, I’m ready to condemn it. Short of that, I condemn the people who smear their opposition – without evidence – with such labels. That sort of group-smear may be politics as usual, but that’s why most Americans hate politics as usual.

A note to my liberal friends:

If you are uncomfortable with the vehemence of the protests, all I can say is, get used to it. It’s only going to get worse in the years ahead, on both the Left and the Right. As the nation heads toward bankruptcy, “entitlements” will be drastically cut and taxes will be drastically raised. There are going to be a lot of pissed-off people.

Regards,
David Franke
Whiskey & Gunpowder

http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/do-they-wear-white-hoods-at-their-tea-p
arties
/

March 26, 2010

David Franke

David Franke is a conservative libertarian and one of the founders of the conservative movement in the 1950s and 1960s. He is the author of a dozen books, including Safe Places, The Torture Doctor, and America’s Right Turn. He served on the editorial staffs of Human Events and National Review, and was Senior Editor of Arlington House Publishers and the Conservative Book Club. Since 1997 he has been editorial director of the New Media News Corp.'



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Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:My point was that this thread and others have degenerated into bickering, NOT that good points weren't made along the line. I'm just not interested in fighting my way through all the bullshit to find the few good points made and address them. Besides the fact there are better things to do with anyone's time, I think if I DID address them, one or the other of the snipers (and I DEFINITELY include Mike) will pop in, have a go at me, and it'd go back to what it was.


I'd like to point out that I tried my utmost to stay out of the fray, and stick to the point at hand. I know some will dismiss my claim, based on the history of things here, but I submit to anyone w/ an objective eye to look at the entirety of the thread, and judge for yourself.

Quote:


I don't know what the points made were in between all that; I saw where it was going and said so. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me, and will happily debate reasoned argument. I don't feel that yours was. And this thread never WAS that, it was a snipe about a video which obviously isn't going to be found, and an obvious snark at Mike and I.



Though 1 important video WAS found, was it not ? Repeating, since this was such an historic, and public spectacle, ( Leaders of Congress parading down the streets of D.C., to an historic vote, while thousands of Americans line the street.... ) with so many media and individuals recording it all.... seems odd that we can't find anyone willing to collect on Breitbarts' bet. There's all manner of motivation for someone to come forward, IF such a video exists.

That no one has doesn't mean such an event didn't take place. It just means it wasn't recorded.

The way the Dems viewed this event, and the " historic " nature of walking to take the vote, it's hard to comprehend that there wasn't at least one official or designated videographer, to record every step, for posterity's sake.




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