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MSNBC RULES!

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Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:30 PM

ANTIMASON


i cannot stand the network. Rachel Maddow? Olberman? Matthews? they are so far off people watch the cartoon network more often. i know im barkin up the wrong tree on this board, but i had to say it. the difference between Fox and NBC? Fox isnt pushing an agenda that forces us to participate! liberals are so caring, so compassionate... with other peoples tax dollars. as much as i disagree with neo-cons.. they dont pursue invasive wellfarism! im wat ching Rachel Maddow moch conservatives, because they want to spend the money they earn, as they choose... how dare they! they should be forced to give up their wealth!

the arrogance it takes to claim to be righteously indignate, while pressuring others to give up their own earnings!? it defeats the entire principle of CHARITY! you know, that service that once existed before the federal GOVT marginalized charity... and took on the huminst authority to destribute other peoples wealth for them (against their will)?

just tired of this BS sanctimony that exists, any thoughts? i know there are..

[ps- im the worst speller in the world, sorry. im hoping its dyslexia)

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Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:44 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The network leans far more to the Left than FOX leans toward the Right.

It's not even close, either.

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 5:55 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by antimason:
i cannot stand the network. Rachel Maddow? Olberman? Matthews? they are so far off people watch the cartoon network more often.



Which is why Olbermann was beating O'Reilly for a while there - a few times, Olbermann RE-RUNS were beating O'Reilly's numbers. Look it up. And for a while, Maddow's numbers were beating Olbermann's.


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i know im barkin up the wrong tree on this board, but i had to say it. the difference between Fox and NBC? Fox isnt pushing an agenda that forces us to participate!


You're telling me that NONE of my tax dollars went towards bombing Iraq and Afghanistan? NONE? Seriously? Yeah, we were "forced to participate". Oh, and we were forced to participate when Bush more than quadrupled spending in Africa. Not saying that's a bad thing, but when he got all touchy-feelie about things, we were definitely forced to participate. To say otherwise is to show that you're either lying or ignorant. Which best describes you?

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liberals are so caring, so compassionate... with other peoples tax dollars. as much as i disagree with neo-cons.. they dont pursue invasive wellfarism!


Yes, where conservatives are so caring and "compassionate" when dropping bombs on other people - bombs paid for with OTHER PEOPLES' TAX DOLLARS! And nary a peep of protest from the right... So much for that whole "pro-life" label...

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im wat ching Rachel Maddow moch conservatives, because they want to spend the money they earn, as they choose... how dare they! they should be forced to give up their wealth!


Any links to her saying that?

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the arrogance it takes to claim to be righteously indignate, while pressuring others to give up their own earnings!? it defeats the entire principle of CHARITY! you know, that service that once existed before the federal GOVT marginalized charity... and took on the huminst authority to destribute other peoples wealth for them (against their will)?

just tired of this BS sanctimony that exists, any thoughts? i know there are..



Seems Maddow and Olbermann DO give quite a bit to charity, and encourage others to do the same. Maddow and her viewers banded together to fully outfit the Iraqi National Baseball team when she did a tiny story on them having zero equipment (none of your tax dollars were used for that). And Olbermann's proposal for free healthcare clinics in the neediest areas raised over $ 2.3 million dollars from viewers. Again, not a single one of your precious tax dollars was used.

As far as I know, not a single one of Fox's dollars was used, either. So that pretty much tanks your idea that Maddow and Olbermann won't let the idle rich just laze around and enjoy their champagne milkshakes and peeled grapes. They're more than welcome to do that. Still, that's not enough to stop you bitching about others doing good works for no gain, apparently.

And while you may claim "hoping its [sic] dyslexia", I call it laziness. Dyslexia is a real thing; you're just too lazy to turn on a damn spell-check, which is quite a different thing.

So what IS your real beef with MSNBC? Is it that they're exposing "The Family" and C-Street as the liars, cheats, and charlatans they truly are? Do you have a problem with someone outing a "church" where conservative congressmen live on subsidized artificially low rent?




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:09 AM

CHRISISALL


Anti & AU blow, MSNBC merely shoots the breeze.


The laughing Chrisisall

"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:38 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"Anti & AU blow, MSNBC merely shoots the breeze."

My first laff of the day !

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Not worth commenting on, tho' there's a video available on Netflix which tells the real story about FauxNews, and it's quite an eye-opener. It's called "Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism". It'll tell you what's REALLY going on at FauxNews, but I'm sure you won't bother to learn the truth, I'm just putting it up for others.

Only thing worth commenting on is Chris' great crack; thank you Chris.

The original post is just blind idiocy; which you're more than welcome to voice.

Just for the fun of it, I'll take the time to transcribe Outfoxed and share it. I already know what the response will be, but that's okay.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 7:16 AM

CHRISISALL


I happen to like Rachael Maddow. She's my home-girl.


The laughing Chrisisall

"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 7:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I appreciate Maddow because she has her people dig for facts, rather than coming up with lies and visceral hate-filled rhetoric. Besides, she's cute and she comes across as real.

Olbermann is too pompous for my taste; I used to like him but have gotten sick of his speechifying. I never liked Matthews--he's too given to talking over his interviewers and stirring up arguments.

It's that guy--what's his show, the "Joe Show" or some such--now HE's about as blinded by ideology as almost anyone at FauxNews. Almost.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 8:55 AM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


Yeah, people like Matthews and Schultz are not helping that network dissuade any of the biased rantings people like Anti spew. If I was a foreigner who had never been exposed to any of America's news networks and the first person I met told me MSNBC sucked and showed me a clip of The Ed Show or Hardball as proof, I'd have to say "Good point."


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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:06 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I happen to like Rachael Maddow. She's my home-girl.



Yeah, I like her, too. Don't really watch anyone else on MSNBC. Olberman can be entertaining from time to time, but generally is just waaaay too full of himself, and his voice bugs me. But Maddow is cool.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:40 AM

ANTIMASON


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Originally posted by Kwicko:

You're telling me that NONE of my tax dollars went towards bombing Iraq and Afghanistan? NONE? Seriously?



we never pay for the wars anyway, all this debt is just creating inflation- same as the trillions in entitlements

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Yeah, we were "forced to participate". Oh, and we were forced to participate when Bush more than quadrupled spending in Africa. Not saying that's a bad thing, but when he got all touchy-feelie about things, we were definitely forced to participate. To say otherwise is to show that you're either lying or ignorant. Which best describes you?


arent you for redistribution of wealth? so what are you whining about, its the 'moral' thing to do.. you should be glad


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Yes, where conservatives are so caring and "compassionate" when dropping bombs on other people - bombs paid for with OTHER PEOPLES' TAX DOLLARS! And nary a peep of protest from the right... So much for that whole "pro-life" label...



theyre just continuing the Wilson policy of global policemen. we went to war with Iraq because Saddam wasnt complying with UN resolutions. prior to that, the authorization to use force passed under Clintons term. the democrats wanted our intervention in Kosovo. you never know... if Gore had won in 2000, and this was all happening on his watch, would the democrats have behaved any differently? go back and watch the debates with Bush, he accused Clinton of 'nation building.' so it would have been a complete role reversal. But it seems to me that the Pentagon, State Dpt., the D.O.D, etc have a blueprint they follow, regardless- or Obama would have taken us out of Iraq like he promised



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Seems Maddow and Olbermann DO give quite a bit to charity, and encourage others to do the same. Maddow and her viewers banded together to fully outfit the Iraqi National Baseball team when she did a tiny story on them having zero equipment (none of your tax dollars were used for that). And Olbermann's proposal for free healthcare clinics in the neediest areas raised over $ 2.3 million dollars from viewers. Again, not a single one of your precious tax dollars was used.


thats awesome, i encourage that. wealthy people are often very charitable.. thats kind of why i believe the concept that private charity is the answer, not wellfare. prior to the '60s, we got along just fine without Medicare. of course, a big reason why people cant afford these services is because of inflation, and the lack of economic oppertunity. i dont see anyone to blame for this but government. funding wellfare programs, through deficit spending, creates the inflation in these markets, making it harder to afford. meanwhile, these same 'uninsured' have cell phones and flatscreens, housing.. and are statistically obese.

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So what IS your real beef with MSNBC? Is it that they're exposing "The Family" and C-Street as the liars, cheats, and charlatans they truly are? Do you have a problem with someone outing a "church" where conservative congressmen live on subsidized artificially low rent?


i can appreciate that MSNBC is to liberals what FOX is to conservatives(hannity conservatives, that is..). as far as quality, i think FOX is better. but lets not pretend that MSNBC is unbiased journalism/commentary. its just as partisan as Fox.



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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:58 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


MSNBC is partisan, no argument. But partisan in what they choose to air and what they ignore; partisan in how they frame the story. They do not, however, deliberately tell out-and-out lies and FAKE video (we've been through this before). FauxNews not only lies, they repeat them over and over until people start believing in them.

They are also run tightly by Murdoch. I won't go on, just check out the thread about Fox that I put up. I dare anyone to watch the entire Netflix video (you can watch it on your computer immediately, or rent it) and tell me there is a comparison between MSNBC's "slant" and FauxNews' deliberate manipulation of the media.

FauxNews is purely and simply a soapbox for Murdoch and Ailes' right-wing ideology, period.

Of course, those of you sold on FauxNews will have every excuse in the book not to believe the facts presented, but those who have open minds and have watched both stations: here's an eye-opener for you.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:36 AM

ANTIMASON


ive seen it, i watched it when it first came out. i dont see it being any different then the monopoly over news networks that the liberal establishment, NBC/ABC/CBS had for decades. Foxs debut in the 90s just provided the republican party with a platform to propogandize. i mean.. what happened to Dan Rather? its not as if the other networks arent guilty of the same shinanigans

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:58 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by antimason:
ive seen it, i watched it when it first came out. i dont see it being any different then the monopoly over news networks that the liberal establishment, NBC/ABC/CBS had for decades. Foxs debut in the 90s just provided the republican party with a platform to propogandize. i mean.. what happened to Dan Rather? its not as if the other networks arent guilty of the same shinanigans



Then you're saying you agree that when FauxNews gets it as horribly wrong as they have so many times, they should fire the newsreaders?




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:07 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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arent you for redistribution of wealth? so what are you whining about, its the 'moral' thing to do.. you should be glad



Oh, I was just wondering where all your righteous indignation was when it was the right-wing whackjobs handing out the peoples' money. You didn't seem to be upset when the Republicans thought they knew what was best for everybody. Why is that?

Of course, I can't help but note that you never seemed upset at the record deficits run up under those same Republicans, time after time after time. In fact, Bush more than tripled the deficit on his way out of office, and the right spent more than a year trying to pin that money on Obama.

Besides, you free marketeers are all for redistribution of wealth, too; you just don't like to admit it, or you call it by a different name. Only difference is, you want to redistribute all the wealth upward. That's what supply-side and trickle-down economic bullshit theories are. In the history of the world, wealth always, ALWAYS flows upwards.

I hear conservatives quoting Thatcher a lot: "The problem with socialism is, sooner or later you run out of other people's money." I'd say that's the same problem capitalism has as well. Every once in a while, things have to get reset a bit, and redistributed back down to the poor, because they immediately go out and BUY STUFF with the money, and it stimulates the entire economy as it trickles back up through the works. Give money to the rich, and it just stays at the top, and never trickles down.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


ANTI - I'm not for the redistribution of wealth, which is why it belongs where it was first created... with the people who worked for it.

PROFIT???

It's just a redistribution of wealth to the wealthy!

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:14 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Perhaps Maddow and Beck should be put in the thunderdome together... and only the most convincing one gets to walk out again










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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:15 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Fox learned that shit from Sinclair, Sinclair learned that shit from Hearst, and so on, and so forth.

Seriously, look it up, it's one uninterrupted flow of bullshit dating all the way back to the goddamned Alien and Sedition acts, and the warmongers who would profit from the carnage.

-Frem

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:17 PM

MINCINGBEAST


beck v. maddow, thunderdome. awesome! screw the rhetoric, lets just make our arguments direct, perhaps even elemental!

not a fair fight. beck has proven that he is a crier, and can't take his licks. one shot, and he'll be weeping and crying and mumbling stuff about jesus. 'course, not sure that maddow could deliver a shot. still, i take maddow in this.

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:23 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Yup, she'd mop the floor with him. That's why Senator Scott Brown refuses to go on her show (while claiming she's running against him), why Liz Cheney refuses to go on her show (while claiming that Maddow won't debate her), and why the folks from C-Street won't go on the show or even respond to her questions.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:24 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
beck v. maddow, thunderdome. awesome! screw the rhetoric, lets just make our arguments direct, perhaps even elemental!

not a fair fight. beck has proven that he is a crier, and can't take his licks. one shot, and he'll be weeping and crying and mumbling stuff about jesus. 'course, not sure that maddow could deliver a shot. still, i take maddow in this.



Who ever Survives gets the chance to take the Belt away from Colbert





and I wouldn't take odds on that one lol


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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:33 PM

FREMDFIRMA



There's that, especially since kickin him in the yarbles would be under the mistaken presumption he had any.


-F

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:45 PM

ANTIMASON


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Kwicko-

Oh, I was just wondering where all your righteous indignation was when it was the right-wing whackjobs handing out the peoples' money. You didn't seem to be upset when the Republicans thought they knew what was best for everybody. Why is that?



i did, you just wont bother going back that far in the archives. i hated what Bush and the neo-cons were doing. ask citizen or Sig.. i was calling Bush a socialist before Obama was even a candidate. now im dishing it out to the democrats

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Of course, I can't help but note that you never seemed upset at the record deficits run up under those same Republicans, time after time after time. In fact, Bush more than tripled the deficit on his way out of office, and the right spent more than a year trying to pin that money on Obama.


where have you been!? ive never let up on Bushs spending. but Obama comes in and increases Bushs deficits, and you continue blaming the republicans for it. spending bills originate in the house, and the democrats have been in the majority since 2006- they are just as much to blame. atleast im willing to criticize spending no matter who's doing it. im not going to rehash arguments of 5 years ago when the republicans were running the show, because they ARENT ANYMORE! when do the Democrats take responsibility?

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Besides, you free marketeers are all for redistribution of wealth, too; you just don't like to admit it, or you call it by a different name. Only difference is, you want to redistribute all the wealth upward. That's what supply-side and trickle-down economic bullshit theories are. In the history of the world, wealth always, ALWAYS flows upwards.


every time we've cut taxes, we got in return a booming economy as a result- look at the 20's, 60's and 80's. its just a fact that a 'rising tide lifts all boats'

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I hear conservatives quoting Thatcher a lot: "The problem with socialism is, sooner or later you run out of other people's money." I'd say that's the same problem capitalism has as well.


these cycles of boom and bust are caused by the Federal Reserve, and malinvestment- not lack of regulation. you dont seem to want to address the disease, which is our fiat monetary system. do you understand the moral hazard of an instutution designed to bail our bad investment? these bubbles are a result of keynesianism economics, which is proven a failed model time and again. its no wonder we have wellfare for the rich. the reason a great deal of the wealth is concentrated is because there are trillions of dollars that only exist on computer, being cycled around washington and wall street. where do we think inflation comes from? Credit, capital, are supposed to be based on savings, and yet we have no savings. we have artificially low interests rates that encourage this excessive risk taking. artificially manipulating these markets(like housing), creates the bubble! notice that since the creation of the Fed, the dollar has lost 95% of its purchasing power. its because the Fed is creating money that doesnt exist. but you liberals will never go after the Fed, because it makes possible all these utopic, pie in the sky fantasies like the Great Society

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Every once in a while, things have to get reset a bit, and redistributed back down to the poor, because they immediately go out and BUY STUFF with the money, and it stimulates the entire economy as it trickles back up through the works. Give money to the rich, and it just stays at the top, and never trickles down.


so cut taxes all around, for everybody. how does raising taxes on anyone produce growth? growth in government maybe. thats money that may have gone directly into the private sector, instead of filtered through a beauracracy, then given to someone who didnt directly earn it. its a complete manipulation of the marketplace. Bushs evil tax cuts.. why not tax cuts for everybody? liberals talk about fairness and equality, while out-the-other side of their mouths they single out certain segments of society to 'punish'

one of these days people are going to learn the hard way that central planning doesnt work, cant work and will never work. just take a look at how inefficient the Obama stimulus has been. if redistributing money was the answer, then why is our economy still so bad? the rich pay a majority of the taxes as is.. why do we have a 15% unemployment rate? liberals think 'why not just print money', like we did with the stimulus, and give it away to everyone below the poverty line. yeah.. and if that works, hell we'll never have to work again! we'll just print money and hand it out! if only it worked.. that sounds like a great idea

not too crazy about the republicans, but atleast they suggested putting a moratorium on the income tax, and using the trillion dollars in 'stimulus' to cover the initial loss in revenue. that would actually have created sustained growth, putting money directly into the pockets of every tax payer with every pay check . it would have been sustained growth, that likely would have increased revenues exponentially greater to the government in return. its a simple concept (*edit*- and it works everytime)

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