REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

Palin believes she is a grizzly bear; rest of the world thinks she is a grisly bore.

POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Monday, July 12, 2010 16:37
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 3722
PAGE 1 of 2

Thursday, July 8, 2010 2:38 PM

OPPYH


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/08/sarah-palins-web-video-ma_n_6
39173.html


I've seen it all. Good for a laugh or two. Someone I actually thought credible at one point in time is now just a boorish buffoon doing everything in her power to stay in the spotlight.
IS there a line between politics and celebrity? Well if there is She is trying like hell to eliminate it.

-------------------------------------------------

70's TV FOREVER


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, July 8, 2010 3:03 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Palin is simply reminding us all that women in politics can be powerful, intelligent and not beholden to the furry legged, touchy feely NOW gang types.


She's a righteous chick.







NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, July 8, 2010 3:12 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"You thought pitbulls were tough, well, you don't wanna mess with the mama grizzlies," Palin says. "Look out Washington, because there's a whole stampede of pink elephants crossing and the e.t.a. for them stampeding through is November 2, 2010.""

Hello,

I'm not sure what to say about this quote.

It appears the Pit Bull has been upgraded to a Grizzly Bear. But then, in a left-field transformation, there are pink elephants. I think I have missed a referent or some flavor of context to make this all come together.

--Anthony

Due to the use of Naomi 3.3.2 Beta web filtering, the following people may need to private-message me if they wish to contact me: Auraptor, Kaneman, Piratenews, Wulfenstar. I apologize for the inconvenience.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, July 8, 2010 3:50 PM

DREAMTROVE



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, July 8, 2010 5:44 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Aren't grizzly bears generally MORE furry than NOW members?

Or is this just Palin's way of saying she's a Furry?

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, July 8, 2010 5:46 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"You thought pitbulls were tough, well, you don't wanna mess with the mama grizzlies," Palin says. "Look out Washington, because there's a whole stampede of pink elephants crossing and the e.t.a. for them stampeding through is November 2, 2010.""

Hello,

I'm not sure what to say about this quote.

It appears the Pit Bull has been upgraded to a Grizzly Bear. But then, in a left-field transformation, there are pink elephants. I think I have missed a referent or some flavor of context to make this all come together.



Sounds like she thinks she's put on weight.


She's not a grizzly bear; she's just a grisly bore.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 12:48 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Aren't grizzly bears generally MORE furry than NOW members?

Or is this just Palin's way of saying she's a Furry?



I invite you to go hug an actual mamma grizzly bear. Please. Mistake it for one of your "Furry" pals.

And wear something salmony. Bears love that.






NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 2:47 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Palin is a dynamic juggernaut. No matter what the Left says about her, she perseveres. The Left would have loved (and they sure tried) to see her vanish from the national scene. But it doesn't seem like she's going anywhere, except to get right in the faces of those that hate her the most, by supporting and campaigning for their opponents.

Although I honestly do not understand this video in terms of its' purpose or message, I just continue to be amazed how this one woman is seemingly taking on the entire liberal cultural establishment by herself.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 3:03 AM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Palin is a dynamic juggernaut. No matter what the Left says about her, she perseveres. The Left would have loved (and they sure tried) to see her vanish from the national scene. But it doesn't seem like she's going anywhere, except to get right in the faces of those that hate her the most, by supporting and campaigning for their opponents.

Although I honestly do not understand this video in terms of its' purpose or message, I just continue to be amazed how this one woman is seemingly taking on the entire liberal cultural establishment by herself.


Well said Jongstraw, they fear her as much or more than they fear a black republican because it destroys their stereotypes.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 3:38 AM

AGENTROUKA


Criticism and ridicule = fear of Palin?

Why not: fear for the future because so many people take her seriously?

Or even simpler: disapproval and amusement?


I actually think that she doesn't destroy stereotypes as much as she exemplifies them to the point of making people despair. Conservatives are much easier to respect when they don't put someone like Palin on a pedestal. Luckily, many conservatives don't.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 3:52 AM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Conservatives are much easier to respect when they don't put someone like Palin on a pedestal. Luckily, many conservatives don't.


The left wing media is who put her on a pedestal because they thought it would be easy to knock her off. I can admire her fortitude without thinking she would be a good President. The only reason I would support her is if the only alternative was Barack Obama.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 3:55 AM

DREAMTROVE


I would have to hug Sarah Palin first for a comparison. Actually, I might have to do a lot of hugging first. You know, take her for a test drive if Todd doesn't mind.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 4:25 AM

KANEMAN


She is a character I'll give her that. I do think she needs to slow down a bit in her analogy/metaphor use. It comes off as a tad amateurish. It almost seems like she doesn't think Americans can get a point without her using lions, tigers, or bears.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 4:37 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Palin is a dynamic juggernaut. No matter what the Left says about her, she perseveres. The Left would have loved (and they sure tried) to see her vanish from the national scene. But it doesn't seem like she's going anywhere, except to get right in the faces of those that hate her the most, by supporting and campaigning for their opponents.

Although I honestly do not understand this video in terms of its' purpose or message, I just continue to be amazed how this one woman is seemingly taking on the entire liberal cultural establishment by herself.


Well said Jongstraw, they fear her as much or more than they fear a black republican because it destroys their stereotypes.




Well, at least now you've admitted why you hate Obama...


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 4:38 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
She is a character I'll give her that. I do think she needs to slow down a bit in her analogy/metaphor use. It comes off as a tad amateurish. It almost seems like she doesn't think Americans can get a point without her using lions, tigers, or bears.



OH MY!

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 6:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh lord, don't get me started on Sarahcuda and her "momma bear" comments!


Continues to make me giggle, how some RWAs can listen to this woman and take her seriously... Also that they think we're afraid of her when we ridicule her...we actually don't have to ridicule her, she gives the MSM more than enough out of her own mouth.

You're forgetting one big thing: Sarah Palin HUNTS grizzly bears (along with wolves)...FROM AN AIRPLANE! She's PROUD of it (as are her parents (so you know where it comes from).



I'll bet she's never gotten closer to a grizzly than to take aim from high above and kill it.

Palin sued the federal government to prevent listing the polar bear as an endangered species; promotes aerial hunting of wolves and bears even though Alaskans voted twice to ban it; and more.

Don't give me shit about Sarahcuda using "momma bears" when it's convenient in a speech, when she knows nothing about them and happily kills them, it's ludicruous! The bears are probably the ones who are pissed and scared...sure isn't the thinking people among us...

Hypocrisy, thy name is Sarah...

Watch FauxNews try to apologize her way out of the myriad headaches she gave McCain:



This woman is ready for public office? Give me a break! She quit as Gov. because it was getting too hot, and her speech had absolutely nothing of any substance in it whatsoever...just her usual purile appeal to her sycophants.

She's a joke of the first order, but she appeals to the worst trite banalities the Tea Baggers want to hear, so she gets attention. Nothing more.

We're not afraid of her, I hate to tell you. She and Dumbya gave comedians some of the best material they've ever had. Here's what we think of Sarahcuda:




Oh, how I WISH they'd run her for Prez in 2012. The dems could put up Bill Maher and win easily!

Maher did a great job on the right-wing "think tanks" and their predictions too, if you want a giggle.




Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 6:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Agent:
Quote:

I actually think that she doesn't destroy stereotypes as much as she exemplifies them to the point of making people despair. Conservatives are much easier to respect when they don't put someone like Palin on a pedestal. Luckily, many conservatives don't.


I too wish they'd put someone up I could at least see as a respectable candidate...so far just Sarahcuda, Bobby Jindal, Rush Limbaugh...it makes one despaire is right.

As to why; they NEED to think people are afraid of her...otherwise they'd have to admit what a joke she is. I also agree that she's not the antithesis of stereotypes, she IS one.
Quote:

I just continue to be amazed how this one woman is seemingly taking on the entire liberal cultural establishment by herself.


Ah, me (wipes tears), self-delusion is sometimes too funny for words!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 6:57 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"You're forgetting one big thing: Sarah Palin HUNTS grizzly bears (along with wolves)...FROM AN AIRPLANE! She's PROUD of it (as are her parents (so you know where it comes from)."

Hello,

If you are going to hunt animals, I'm not sure that the shooting platform you use matters. Nor do I think being a hunter is a commentary on her animal analogies. The things she says are strange to me, regardless of her hunting history, technique, prowess, or lack thereof. The only critique I can make of hunting is when the hunter fails to make use of the animal being killed. Anything larger and less ubiquitous than a rodent should have some use made of it, else there's quite a bit of waste happening.

--Anthony

Due to the use of Naomi 3.3.2 Beta web filtering, the following people may need to private-message me if they wish to contact me: Auraptor, Kaneman, Piratenews, Wulfenstar. I apologize for the inconvenience.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 9:25 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Quote:

I just continue to be amazed how this one woman is seemingly taking on the entire liberal cultural establishment by herself.


Ah, me (wipes tears), self-delusion is sometimes too funny for words!


So Niki.....I'm delusional now? On another thread you called me a "doll". What gives? Are you trying to pat me on the shoulder with one hand while giving me the finger with the other? Besides, what about my quote from above is delusional? I see all the Lib news networks, especially Olberidiot, spending huge blocks of their airtime on Palin. Are they just comedy shows now, and all they do is mock her as you say? You don't think there's some validity to my statement above? I'm a tad disappointed in you, but then again maybe I am delusional.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 9:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


JS: Nope. I have nothing against you personally and I address everyone here (with a couple of exceptions) as a friend. However, I do think it is self-deluding (NOT "delusional", there is a big difference) to believe that Sarahcuda has "taken on" anyone at all. She gets press, certainly, but as I aaid, she gives the MSM much fodder to cover her, as the majority of the country finds her a joke. They cover Lindsay Lohan, too, and many others in the news; does that make them "taking on the entire liberal cultural establishment"?

For one thing, Ms. Drill-Baby-Drill has nothing whatsoever to do with the liberal "culture" or "establishment". She gets coverage...but if you notice, the coverage she gets from the liberal MSM is almost invariably mockery. She gets coverage from the rest of the MSM because she's always out there, she keeps the spotlight on herself, she's a "story". That in no way indicates she "takes (anything) on".

Her talking points are parrotting of the right-wing fringe. She offers nothing substantive, in some cases she says things that are directly opposite to what she said before, she plays to the base and has a cutsy style. But there's nothing substantive about her.

To me, the claim that we're "afraid" of her is akin to the claim that liberals use "racism" as an excuse to diminish attacks from the right; the right, from what I've seen (especially here) uses "they're scared of her" to deflect any serious answers to criticism of her.

So no, I don't think there's any validity whatsoever in your remark, which is why I said, to put it another way, that you've deluded yourself into believing she's taken something on, which she hasn't in the slightest.

It's a difference of opinion, has nothing to do with you personally. I like you, whatever you might think of me, and I respect where you're coming from most of the time. I also see the blindness on the part of some people where Palin's concerned, and it always makes me shake my head.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 10:02 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Anthony, the emphasis was just to say she doesn't even get down there and hunt them, she takes pot shots from airplanes.

I feel pretty much the same as you about hunting, but she and her family don't do it for subsistence; whether they even make use of anything but the skin I don't know. The fact that I was point out is that she's using "mamma grizzlies" as a metaphor, while she's quite happy to go out and kill grizzlies for entertainment. It's a particularly egregious hipocrisy in my eyes, used only for effect, and in the speech in which she used it, there was absolutely NO substance, just her usual "act"--at which she is very talented, I grant you. But it has nothing to do with government, politics or issues.

To use something she cheerfully kills as a metaphor for HERSELF defending anything is disgusting, IMHO.



Anyone who wants the truth about Palin and wildlife, backed up by reputable news articles, can find it here: http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm It was the first time I had my eyes opened on the subject, and the beginning of my hating her. Yes, when it comes to the environment, I do hate her, but I know that's my own prejudice. When it comes to politics, she's just funny.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 10:03 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

she doesn't think Americans can get a point without her using lions, tigers, or bears.

She knows what she's doing - or at least the people who tell her what to say have focus group tested it...

Over cynical? *shrug*

I quite hope she runs as she's always provided good entertainment - though I say that from safe on the other side of the atlantic

Heads should roll

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 10:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Just be glad you're across the Pond and don't have to listen to the RWAs laud her to the skies, hee, hee, hee!

(But do watch out, you'll be called a flaming liberal scared to death of her if you laugh out loud)

By the way, for anyone tempted to ask why I spend so much time on her if I'm not afraid of her, probably my biggest argument with her is how she's using our political system to increase her own wealth and get attention. THAT I find despicable, but not frightening.

If you think I spend time on HER, get me started on Dumbya...or Darth...or, or, or...I also consider THEM despicable.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 10:17 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Sorry Niki, but I don't buy any of that crap. You are terrified of her, that's why you and every liberal with a microphone bashes her at every opportunity. If you simply wanted to attack "idiots" for being idiots, well how 'bout looking at Nancy Pelosi for starters. Palin is bringing out and mobilizing Conservative women. Yes Virginia, they do exist, and they actually do exist in large numbers. She greatly helped Conservative Gov Christy of NJ get elected, same with Conservative Gov of Virgina, and others in one-time Dem strongholds. She has money and power and millions of followers. She got Conservative women candidates the win in their Primaries, and she will help them defeat Dems in the Fall. You know all that...so please don't keep up this ridiculous pretense that you don't.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 11:57 AM

FREMDFIRMA



*stares at Jong and laughs, mockingly*
Do you even believe that shit yourself ?
No, no, I don't think so - you're just defensive cause your favorite party is down to the last friggin straw, and it's awful goddamn thin, isn't it ?

Seriously, if you are concerned about being steamrollered by a liberal establishment with the potential to go bad in a socialistic (and I mean the bad kind, like Mussolini) kinda way, why don't you cut loose the deadweight bimbo quitter and find someone who can fucking COMPETE ?

Honestly, what do you have to offer voters but a sick, sad little joke of an airheaded harper valley PTA drone elevated to the public stage and fumbling like a piranha in a bowl full of sharks, who has ALREADY been "slain" by the wooden stake of public ridicule ?

Bring something to the table, instead of pushing a full pot bluff on a pair of deuces, and till then, perhaps you could cut loose the boat anchor dragging down your favorite partys credibility and chances to ever be relevant again, instead of clinging to it in the desperate, and false, hope that it will transform into a life preserver before you drown.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 12:26 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello Niki,

That web site is all passion and fire, with few facts sprinkled within.

You should find a site that abandons emotional levers in favor of facts and science, and disseminate that instead. An informed, dispassionate essay on the topic would go much farther than this technique, at least with folks like myself. When the website says something like, 'She posed next to a dead bear, and that's all you need to know about her beliefs' then it is going astray. I think there are probably many good points to focus on, but this site favors few facts and lots of 'LOOK HOW HORRIBLE!' photographs and lamentations about dead animals, a propaganda technique common to the pro-life lobby.

If you put together a more dispassionate fact-based site about her positions, I'd be happy to host it.

--Anthony

Due to the use of Naomi 3.3.2 Beta web filtering, the following people may need to private-message me if they wish to contact me: Auraptor, Kaneman, Piratenews, Wulfenstar. I apologize for the inconvenience.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 12:31 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Just to change the title....

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 12:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




Mamma Grizzly, meet Rahm ( dead fish ) Emanuel.

( rawr! )






NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 1:40 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Sorry Niki, but I don't buy any of that crap. You are terrified of her, that's why you and every liberal with a microphone bashes her at every opportunity.

Wow, I spoke too soon in that other thread. You sound just like you did 2 years ago. It's disappointing.

Perhaps, instead of assuming that you can dictate the motivations and emotional state of people you do not know and obviously do not understand, you ought to step out of your own head for a second. Consider that those who bad-mouth Palin (note - it's not just liberals) do it because we honestly, at the bottom of our hearts, believe she is a moron. She has given us plenty of reason to think so, as has been well documented.

And if you sense fear, perhaps you should consider that it is not the kind of fear that seems to effect you: that someone on the "other team" might beat someone our "our team" boo-hoo. (You might note that few of us swear fealty to any team.) Perhaps you should try to understand that we fear what a moron in high office could do a country still reeling from the policies of the last moron who held high office.

As for Pelosi, I haven't seen her name come up here much lately, perhaps because she doesn't do the kind of actively moronic and divisive stuff that Palin does. But back in 2008-2009 when she was a topic of conversation, there wasn't a ton of admiration from either side. The woman has flaws. She's not likeable even a bit. But she isn't a moron. I bet she can name a newspaper or two, and she clearly understands policies.



Quote:

She greatly helped Conservative Gov Christy of NJ get elected, same with Conservative Gov of Virgina, and others in one-time Dem strongholds. She has money and power and millions of followers. She got Conservative women candidates the win in their Primaries, and she will help them defeat Dems in the Fall. You know all that...so please don't keep up this ridiculous pretense that you don't.
Again: step out of your head if it's possible. Consider that there is no pretense happening here, because we don't all think like you. (Is this really so hard to allow?) We don't all know that, even if you do. Guess what - you are not God. You don't think for all of us.

As for your prediction, I would be happy to return to this post of yours in November. I may even bookmark it. But... will you be disappearing after the election, if it doesn't go your way? Seemed to be the thing to do in 2008. I guarantee, I won't disappear if the Repubs gain seats.

-----------------------------------------------
hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 3:43 PM

HKCAVALIER


I tend to think of Palin as the right wing equivalent of Michael Moore. Both rabble rousers, good to get asses in the seats, generally supportive of their cause, but when looked at with any level of discernment both become thoroughly embarrassing. Neither is suitable for public office, but both of them know how to get themselves on tv.

Why are we still talking about this?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 3:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I tend to think of Palin as the right wing equivalent of Michael Moore.....




Might be ya wanna get your eyes checked.

And soon!






NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 3:56 PM

DREAMTROVE


Frem,

The media lays it out very clearly: You can choose one of these flavors. So, none of them are orange or raspberry, but maybe I can get vanilla with an orange or raspberry center.

It's about what the PTB will actually support. So we can have Palin with someone we like behind her, possibly Ron Paul, or we can have someone they like, like Mitt Romney. Personally, I'd rather have some chance at getting policies I like while being fronted by a ditz.


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 4:05 PM

DREAMTROVE


HK

There's plenty of counterpoint to Michael Moore. Sarah Palin is the right's answer to Hillary Clinton. Given a choice...


TV brought us Kennedy, the internet brought us the Obama, so Palin logically follows. Hello Kitty should run for office. Oh, sowwy, she's Japanese >^..^< K, thx Bye!



Oh, More sarah is a twofer:

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 4:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Mamma Grizzly, meet Rahm ( dead fish ) Emanuel.




And yet only one of them works in the White House. Or has a job.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 4:19 PM

PENGUIN




I can see Russia!





King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 4:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Sorry Niki, but I don't buy any of that crap. You are terrified of her, that's why you and every liberal with a microphone bashes her at every opportunity.

Wow, I spoke too soon in that other thread. You sound just like you did 2 years ago. It's disappointing.

Perhaps, instead of assuming that you can dictate the motivations and emotional state of people you do not know and obviously do not understand, you ought to step out of your own head for a second. Consider that those who bad-mouth Palin (note - it's not just liberals) do it because we honestly, at the bottom of our hearts, believe she is a moron. She has given us plenty of reason to think so, as has been well documented.

And if you sense fear, perhaps you should consider that it is not the kind of fear that seems to effect you: that someone on the "other team" might beat someone our "our team" boo-hoo. (You might note that few of us swear fealty to any team.) Perhaps you should try to understand that we fear what a moron in high office could do a country still reeling from the policies of the last moron who held high office.

As for Pelosi, I haven't seen her name come up here much lately, perhaps because she doesn't do the kind of actively moronic and divisive stuff that Palin does. But back in 2008-2009 when she was a topic of conversation, there wasn't a ton of admiration from either side. The woman has flaws. She's not likeable even a bit. But she isn't a moron. I bet she can name a newspaper or two, and she clearly understands policies.



Quote:

She greatly helped Conservative Gov Christy of NJ get elected, same with Conservative Gov of Virgina, and others in one-time Dem strongholds. She has money and power and millions of followers. She got Conservative women candidates the win in their Primaries, and she will help them defeat Dems in the Fall. You know all that...so please don't keep up this ridiculous pretense that you don't.
Again: step out of your head if it's possible. Consider that there is no pretense happening here, because we don't all think like you. (Is this really so hard to allow?) We don't all know that, even if you do. Guess what - you are not God. You don't think for all of us.

As for your prediction, I would be happy to return to this post of yours in November. I may even bookmark it. But... will you be disappearing after the election, if it doesn't go your way? Seemed to be the thing to do in 2008. I guarantee, I won't disappear if the Repubs gain seats.

-----------------------------------------------
hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left




I imagine the Republicans will pick up some seats in November. I imagine they won't take control of the House or Senate, and I'm 100% certain they won't gain veto-proof majorities.

So what exactly IS the Big Plan the Republicans all seem to have up their sleeve?

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 4:39 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


I tend to think of Palin as John Cleese does (and I think Jon Stewart has said the same) - just a talking point spewing parrot. That's just the strong sense I get, I've never seen an example of her thinking on her feet, and drawing an answer from an inner personal philosophy. She either knows an answer to a question because she's learnt it, or if she hasn't she flounders...

Next time round I'm sure she'll be better prepared, and be able to give answers to every media question (even if it's just a "I don't have to answer your liberal elitist media questioning..." --> pivot to talking point). But I'll still be infuriated by her because of the whole talking point spewing act (when she should be answering questions, divulging a personal philosophy), which I just find insulting.

As for the amount of coverage she gets on liberal media, I don't deny that I'm fascinated by her, and the whole Sarah Palin movement phenomenon. And I hope she doesn't just shrink from the spotlight, I want this thing to play itself out!

Heads should roll

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 9, 2010 4:57 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Like watchin a slow motion, ongoing train wreck, innit ?

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:30 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


That kind of guilty fascination, exactly.

Heads should roll

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:46 AM

DREAMTROVE


True, OTOH, consider some of the VP's we've had.

She had me convinced she was numbskull when she quit Alaska.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


JS, in their first posts after my last one, Frem and Mal4 said it for me, and better than I could. So I’ll let it stand at that.

Anthony, it wasn’t intended as a dispassionate source, but if you check the facts, they all come from reputable news sources. Nonetheless, I put it up partly BECAUSE it was a passionate group of ALASKANS who started it, long before Sarahcuda was chosen as a VP candidate. Her record on wildlife is horrendous; her record as far as legitimacy when it comes to her Mayorship AND Governorship leaks with corruption and unwillingness to do the hard work. People can find those for themselves, if they want; that website was where I first learned about her stances with regard to the environment, and I checked each of the points on the first page independently. I have no desire to spend the time looking again for corroboration. Take it or leave it (which you obviously do). ‘Nuff said.

On the other hand, you want some dispassionate facts and figures? See below.

Just occurred to me...if you look at it dispassionately and as objectively as you can, it’s the RIGHT which is angry and hateful of the current administration—both of which emotions come from fear, and their fear is terribly evident in the signs they hold and the words they speak—while the left 99% of the time makes FUN of Palin. That kinda tells the tale for any outside observer. It’s YOU guys who are terrified...I never thought of it before, just laughed at the concept that the left could ever be the slightest bit frightened of Sarahcuda. Huh.

The concept of Pelosi or Clinton and Sarahcuda in the same SENTENCE is the best laugh of the morning...you’d get the prize, but the laugh was a sneer, so that don’t count. Whatever negative feelings I have about Pelosi and Clinton—and there are MANY—they’re sharp as a tacks and knows their politics, and they’re not out there making money for themselves by cowtowing to the visceral emotions of every crowd to which they speak. Actually, they’re not “out there” much at all, except where ACTUAL politics is happening...as in, they’re WORKING or a living, rather than making speeches for which she rakes in the dough and not doing anything of actual consequence but riling up the crowds. Same can’t be said of Ms. Drill-Baby-Drill. Goes far beyond that, tho’, the three of them are apples and an orange, tho’ I don’t like either one. At least I can see reality.

I like the comparison between Moore and Palin, actually; both write books to rile up the base, both make TV appearances on their own politically-slanted media. What about Garofallo (S?)...she’s a good comparison too, tho’ I don’t think she’s written any books...?

As to some OBJECTIVE facts on Palin, how about her Political Action Committee, as just one example:

Quote:

Ex-AK Gov. Sarah Palin's (R) PAC spent more money buying copies of Palin's best-selling book than it gave in contributions to political candidates, according to new FEC reports.

The papers filed over the weekend show SarahPAC spent $47,777 on copies of "Going Rogue" during the last 6 months of the year. Meanwhile, she handed out just $43K in donations to candidates seeking federal office.

Later:
Quote:

Palin PAC Spent More On Books Than Candidates

The former Alaska governor and 2008 Republican vice presidential candidate had her political organization spend more than $63,000 on what her reports describe as "books for fundraising donor fulfillment."

Quote:

Sarah Palin Uses PAC to Buy Her Own Book; Political Action Committee Paid More than $60,000 for Copies of 'Going Rogue' in Late 2009. Sarah Palin has been using her political action committee to buy up thousands of copies of her book, "Going Rogue," in order to mail copies of the memoir to her donors, newly filed campaign records show
You poor guys just don’t GET IT that she’s in it for the money and for herself. As of just APRIL of this year:
Quote:

Pundits can debate the political costs and benefits of Sarah Palin's decision to step down as Alaska governor, but the monetary advantages of leaving her $125,000-a-year public service post are beyond dispute. Since leaving office at the end of July 2009, the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee has brought in at least 100 times her old salary – a haul now estimated at more than $12 million -- through television and book deals and a heavy schedule of speaking appearances worth five and six figures.

That conservative estimate is based on publicly available records. The actual number is probably much higher, but is hard to quantify because Palin does not publicize her earnings.

I do have to admit, I’m somewhat fascinated by her too...it’s kind of like the morbid curiosity you get about passing a traffic accident; you just HAVE to look, even if it’s just a glance—which is about all I afford her before changing channels. Much like FauxNews, what I see of her in clips is about as much attention as I want to pay. Ooops, I see Frem had the same concept...reading as I reply so didn’t see it before now. Right on.

I noticed JS, DT, Wulf and Crappy are the only ones defending her; the response from everyone else has been one of derision; does that sound like “fear” to you guys? Give it up; she’s a joke on the face of it; the only things I feel strongly about where she’s concerned are her stances on the environment and wildlife. Beyond that, she’s just fun to have around for enjoyment’s sake. The right’s NEED to believe we fear her is telling in how earnestly they delude themselves.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:03 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
You're forgetting one big thing: Sarah Palin HUNTS grizzly bears (along with wolves)...FROM AN AIRPLANE!



I'd be interested in seeing a cite for this. The Grizzly Bay site only says she supports hunting of wolves and Black bears (not Grizzlies) from planes as predator control (which topic brings out more sides than a RPG die), not that she has hunted them from planes.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:07 AM

DREAMTROVE


Niki, I think you're misreading the situation. I've been reading the same comments, and it seems that everyone here things that Palin is less than ideal, but that a Paul/Palin or Palin/Paul ticket would win if this forum were the voting public, which I think it's basically representative of.

I agree with Frem that this is a stage show, and she's the clown, but isn't that how our society is generally run anyway? If Sarah Palin delivers the PTB and MSM support that allows a ticket that supports something along the lines of Paul to be able to win, then more power to her, showgirl talking point parrot that she is.

What Palin says or has said, isn't particuarly important. My sister lived in Alaska for many years, and her impression of Palin was as pretty much a moderate until McCain picked her, and then she became all mavericky. I suspect that she could be remolded into a solid libertarian puppet with fairly little work.

The real danger is not what she believes or who she stands for (hell, the worrisome agenda monkeys she is supported by are the *reason* to support her at all. If you don't support corruption, it doesn't support you.) The danger is that she could probably fuck anything up. OTOH, the current guy and the last guy both were aces at screwing things up, as were the ones who came before.

So, would I support a Palin/Paul ticket? Sure. I'd rather have a Paul/Palin ticket. Would I support Sarah Palin/Liz Cheney? No. Does anyone have a chance in 2012? Maybe. Normally I would say not, but right now things are pretty screwed up. I would say that whether or not a GOP challenger has any chance depends on the economy, which is really out of anyone's power to control, but bad economies tend to dethrone rulers.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:17 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


" it seems that everyone here things that Palin is less than ideal, but that a Paul/Palin or Palin/Paul ticket would win if this forum were the voting public"

Hello,

I didn't quite get that 'everyone' here feels that way.

One of the things I like about Paul is that he can't be bought or controlled. This is one of the things I hate about Palin.

In a Palin/Paul presidency, Paul would be powerless except to give news interviews.

In a Paul/Palin presiedency, Paul would not survive long, and then Palin would be purchased and used by dark powers for dark ends.

Matching Paul and Palin is a disaster, and would only serve to get Paul out of the way for the people that see him as a problem.

--Anthony



Due to the use of Naomi 3.3.2 Beta web filtering, the following people may need to private-message me if they wish to contact me: Auraptor, Kaneman, Piratenews, Wulfenstar. I apologize for the inconvenience.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:24 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
You're forgetting one big thing: Sarah Palin HUNTS grizzly bears (along with wolves)...FROM AN AIRPLANE!



I'd be interested in seeing a cite for this. The Grizzly Bay site only says she supports hunting of wolves and Black bears (not Grizzlies) from planes as predator control (which topic brings out more sides than a RPG die), not that she has hunted them from planes.

"Keep the Shiny side up"



Hello,

For me, the failure is not showing what she's in favor of or what she does, but WHY such things are ecologically harmful.

The site laments her bounty of wolf legs. We are meant to be horrified by it. But it doesn't say why this is bad.

The site laments the loss of wolves, who are predators that control healthy prey populations, but does not explain why humans are not viable predators to perform the same function.

The site laments helicopter/plane hunting, but does not explain why it is bad for such hunting to exist.

The site explains the financial cost of helicopter/plane hunting, but does not detail who must pay that cost. (It implies lots of money is spent on the activity that could go to help the poor, but it doesn't explain whether the state or the hunter pays that fee.)

The site gives a lot of information about the horrors of X or Y, but doesn't spend much time explaining calmly why X or Y is less than ideal, exploring the opposition stance and breaking it down step by step, etc.

As a means to change public opinion, the site is little more than flashing images of aborted fetuses to frighten women at an abortion clinic.

I think there is probably a lot of good information and reasoning about why hunting practices in Alaska should be changed, but that information is not getting communicated effectively on this page.

Statements like, "Add the nearly half a million dollars that Palin spent to "educate" Alaskans about aerial hunting, and you could probably feed the whole state" are emotional and not informative or probably even factual. They serve to discredit the other information provided.


Niki, if you actually care about this and want to put an information based page together, I reiterate my offer to host it.

--Anthony



Due to the use of Naomi 3.3.2 Beta web filtering, the following people may need to private-message me if they wish to contact me: Auraptor, Kaneman, Piratenews, Wulfenstar. I apologize for the inconvenience.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:36 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:


She had me convinced she was numbskull when she quit Alaska.



That was the turning point. That established "The Fame Game" aspect right then, and there. Kate(Kate and 8) is more humble.

-------------------------------------------------

70's TV FOREVER

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:41 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
True, OTOH, consider some of the VP's we've had.

She had me convinced she was numbskull when she quit Alaska.



Heck, consider some of the VP we HAVE! :D

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Okay Anthony, I’ll take you up on that. The original site wasn’t meant to be a political argument, as I said before. However, if you click on the links in blue, they will take you to further information which shows the veracity of their claims.

I'll try to answer your questions, first.

As to Alaskans having voted twice AGAINST aerial shooting of predators, the link supplied reports
Quote:

This is the third time there's been a statewide vote on this issue. The other votes were in 1996 and 2000, both against aerial shooting. The first vote was overwhelmingly against the issue and the second vote was a very strong majority.
http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=8851174

As to the spending of $400,000 of state money it’s all over, try Google. I’ll do it for you, tho’:
Quote:

Leading up to last week’s statewide vote on Measure 2 to stop the aerial shooting of wolves and bears, Palin’s Board of Game spent $400,000 of public money on brochures and radio ads to influence the election/
http://nailinpalinnow.blogspot.com/2009/01/bs-green-or-kinda-sorta-oli
ve-brown.html
Quote:

So they convinced their cronies at the state legislature and the Alaska Board of Game to spend $400,000 on brochures and radio ads to get people to vote their way.
http://hslf.typepad.com/political_animal/2008/08/yesterday-just.html

By the way, she got in hot water for another $400,000 of state money:
Quote:

A legal defense fund for former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was illegal and must repay nearly $400,000, according to a settlement with a state-appointed lawyer announced on Thursday. But Palin, the former Republican vice presidential candidate who has become a fixture of the conservative Tea Party movement, probably violated a state ethics act without knowing she was doing so, independent counsel Tim Petumenos said. The deal requires Palin's fund to give back to donors $386,856 collected while she was in office.

While governor, Palin faced some two dozen ethics complaints, which she said left her with a legal bill of more than $500,000. Her political action committee raised a fund to pay for her defense.

A preliminary ruling by another independent counsel last year said the fund was illegal because it used her official position as governor to raise money for her personal gain. Petumenos confirmed the decision and said no such legal defense fund had ever been set up before for a state official in Alaska.

Palin violated the ethics rules because she was a beneficiary of the fund. Palin should have checked with the state attorney general before pursuing the fund. "It is the responsibility of every public official to make sure they are personally compliant with the (Alaska Ethics) Act," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100625/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_palin

As to hunting BEARS from airplanes:
Quote:

On August 26, Alaskans once again have the chance to stop the cruel and unsporting practice of shooting animals from aircraft. Ballot measure 2 would prohibit the shooting of wolves and grizzly bears from the air or by using a plane to land and shoot.

Currently, the Airborne Hunting Act bans the hunting or harassing of wildlife from aircraft. The act was meant to address the obvious humane concerns associated with chasing animals down to the point of exhaustion with a plane or helicopter and then shooting them.

http://www.hsus.org/wildlife_abuse/news/aerial_hunting_alaska_082108.h
tml
video is not a Democrat or Republican statement or endorsement. It goes far beyond the realm of politics and only relates to BASIC HUMAN DECENCY. Although I despise hunting, I usually keep my mouth shut. However, aerial hunting is simply over the top. Those who practice or endorse this vile activity are monsters who demean the humanity within all of us. They trash the image of America, bad enough after the past 8 years!

I question the character and mental stability of anybody who engages in or supports Aerial hunting - the worst of the worst. To have Sarah Palin's mentality a heartbeat away from the presidency is a very disturbing thought.

http://www.johngray-seacanoe.com/sarah_palin_aerial_hunting.htm

I will not post or watch the video. I’ve seen it before.

You could also check out http://benmuse.typepad.com/ben_muse/2008/08/the-old-aerial-polar-bear-
hunt-in-alaska.html
for further information, including “"The skin was taken as a trophy and the meat was usually left on the ice." and
Quote:

Males formed 70 to 80 percent of the harvest because young and females with young were protected, and hunters often selected the larger animals, which were males. (ergo, healthy adult males of mating age were the main target, not the elderly or sickly.) The average kill during the first decade of airplane hunting (1951-1960) was estimated to be 150 bears... the average annual kill for the second decade (1961-1972) rose to 260...

hunting with airplanes reduced the number of bears close to villages used as bases for hunting with planes. There was still an incentive for Natives to hunt, however, because hides not taken with the aid of aircraft could be sold. The annual Native kill averaged 13 percent of the total harvest for 1961-1972...

Native harvests decreased to about 25 percent of previous levels during the period when airplanes were used for hunting. This was partly because hunting with airplanes reduced the number of bears close to villages used as bases for hunting with planes. There was still an incentive for Natives to hunt, however, because hides not taken with the aid of aircraft could be sold. The annual Native kill averaged 13 percent of the total harvest for 1961-1972...

1965...During the past 15 years there has been almost a complete shift from Eskimo hunters utilizing dog teams to white hunters utilizing aircraft. At the present time, practically no meat is salvaged from the polar bear harvest aside from the relatively few taken by Eskimos. By the late 1960s, the state felt the need to add more restrictions to control the harvest.

Buyers were required to have permits but there was no limit to the number of permits issued. There were no serious problems with this regulation in 1967 and 1968. By 1969, however, more persons had become eligible to guide and were taking out more hunters. In addition there were violations of regulations by guides who took out more than six hunters.

The author notes that recommendations would soon be going to the state Board of Fish and Game to limit the numbers of sport permits issued each year. Residents are now allowed to take bears at any time and without limit for food as long as cubs and females with cubs are not taken and an airplane is not used. The primary reason for Arctic coast residents to take bears is shifting from a desire for food to a desire for obtaining skins for sale.

Because it appeared that hunting pressure would continue to increase in future years and because it was not possible to enforce the regulations limiting each guide to twelve hunts, the Board of Fish and Game on the recommendation of the Department of Fish and Game, modified the permit system so that a limited number of permits (300) were issued for trophy hunting in 1971.

The Department of Fish and Game is now recommending that the use of aircraft not be allowed for hunting polar bears after 1972.

http://benmuse.typepad.com/ben_muse/2008/08/the-old-aerial-polar-bear-
hunt-in-alaska.html


Let’s see, what else?

As to the cost of aerial hunting; the state, as above, sells permits...I’m assuming the comment was a visceral comparison. I don’t think it claimed the state paid.

I think that covers it. As I said before, the link to that site was not put up to serve as an objective political argument, I was sharing something. Nonetheless, the facts are true. But if you want a political argument regarding Sarahcuda and the environment/wildlife, I’ll give to a brief one:
Quote:

And a particularly worrisome aspect of the Palin candidacy is her abysmal record on the environment during her 2 years as Alaska governor, and how that would translate into national environmental policy if she became Vice President. Her environmental record as Governor of the nation’s “last frontier” deserves close examination..

Polar Bears: This summer, Palin filed suit against the Bush administration over the federal listing of polar bears as threatened, saying that her opposition was based on a ‘comprehensive scientific review.’ But when asked to release the scientific review, she refused. Later obtained by the public (from the federal government), the document clearly shows that, contrary to Palin’s assertions, the state of Alaska’s marine mammal scientists agreed with the federal conclusions that the polar bears are in serious trouble due to global warming and loss of their sea ice habitat, and that they would be gone from Alaska by 2050. Palin clearly decided to oppose the listing in order to protect arctic oil and gas development from future legal challenge, then publicly misrepresented the basis for her decision, and then tried to conceal all of this. Having run for office on a platform of honesty and transparency, this behavior was neither. Her extreme position here puts her to the political right of the Bush / Cheney administration. While polar bear numbers recovered somewhat since the 1972 Marine Mammal Protection Act prohibited sport hunting of polar bears in Alaska, their sea ice habitat is so rapidly deteriorating now that they will with certainty decline. The only 2 polar bear populations that have been studied for a long time are now declining, and most of the rest are projected to decline rapidly as well.

Endangered species – Earlier this year, Palin approved a $2 million dollar state appropriation for a conference on the “economic impacts” of the Endangered Species Act, designed to persuade the public that ESA listings were too costly and unwarranted. Recently she agreed to use the money instead to fund the state’s lawsuit against the Bush administration over the polar bear listing - a likely violation of the state constitutional provisions on appropriation. She opposes additional species listings and other protections in Alaska (including Beluga whales in Cook Inlet here in Anchorage), where many species are at risk due to climate change, habitat loss, overexploitation, and other threats. Alaska has 17 species already listed as threatened, endangered, depleted, most of them marine mammals and birds. And, several other species are currently proposed as candidates for listing: Cook Inlet beluga whales, walrus, ribbon seal, black-footed albatross, Lynn Canal herring, Queen Charlotte goshawk, Kittlitz’s murrelet, yellow-billed loons, as well as several other ice-dependent seals which are under review for listing. The appropriate state government response to the many endangered species in Alaska would be to admit the problem, identify solutions, and work diligently toward the recovery of all the threatened species and their habitats. For the many Arctic Ocean species threatened by sea-ice loss due to global warming, the state needs to advocate urgent reductions in global greenhouse gas emissions that are causing the collapse of the entire Arctic Ocean ecosystem, and other mitigations (such as protecting polar bear habitat from offshore drilling) to give these species the best chance of recovery. We have an ethical, moral, and legal obligation to protect threatened species and their habitats, and the current state of Alaska denial of this obligation is a profound betrayal of public trust. Our planet is in an extinction crisis, and Alaska has placed itself on the wrong side of this issue – a blunder of historic proportion.

Predator control – Palin approved and expanded the state’s aerial predator control program, where wolves are shot from aircraft and bears (and even bear cubs) are hunted from aircraft and killed upon landing. This year, her state biologists even dragged 14 newborn wolf pups from their den and, having already shot their parents, then shot each of the pups in the head at close range. Last year, her administration offered a $150 bounty for each wolf killed until the bounty was ruled illegal by the courts. Hundreds of wolves are killed each year by this antiquated state program that has no scientific justification whatsoever, but rather is designed to appease Palin’s urban sport hunting supporters. Out of an Alaska wolf population of 7,000 – 11,000 wolves, each year from 1,000 – 2,000 are killed through trapping, hunting, and shooting from aircraft. Under this program, anyone here in Alaska is able to hop in an airplane, find wolves, run them to exhaustion, and then shoot them - all ostensibly to increase moose and caribou populations for hunters. Science has yet to demonstrate a biological emergency in moose and caribous numbers here that would necessitate such a control program.

More at http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/09/sarah-palins-record-on-environme
nt-is-abysmal
/

The “protecting polar bears from offshore drilling” is the reason behind her campaign to de-list them.
Quote:

Issued this past May, the federal polar bear listing drew on a large body of peer-reviewed scientific data demonstrating that Arctic sea ice coverage during the summer months had declined rapidly in recent years. The data also strongly suggested population declines in the South Beaufort Sea — located off Alaska’s North Slope — and the Western Hudson Bay in Canada. Additional studies have observed declining cub survival rates, as well as declining skull size and overall weight for cubs and adult males, all of which strongly suggest that nutritional and other environmental stresses are affecting the polar bear population.

The bear habitat of the Southern Beaufort sea resembles several others — the Chukchi, Laptev, Kara and Barents seas — where a third of the world’s bears reside. Based on computer modeling that has accurately tracked with recent summer ice data, the informed scientific consensus, described extensively in the 93-page final ruling, suggests that summer ice will diminish optimal polar hear habitat by more than 40 percent by mid-century. Unabated, these conditions could eventually threaten at least two-thirds of the world’s polar bear population.

Governor Palin, as promised, rejected the listing, arguing that it had not relied on “the best scientific and commercial data available.” In a New York Times op-ed piece that appeared in January, Palin deceptively wrote that “state biologists are studying the health of polar bear populations and their habitat” — implying that Alaskan biologists disagreed with the science behind the ESA listing. The state of Alaska, in fact, has not employed a polar bear expert for well over three decades. And as Steiner discovered recently through a federal FOIA request, the state’s marine mammal experts in the Department of Fish and Game actually endorsed the science behind the polar bear ruling as well as with nine US Geological Survey studies that provided additional support to the reigning consensus.

The Palin administration’s pro-development, anti-science approach to polar bears is typical of its overall approach to environmental policy. In addition to its repellent “predator control program,” the state is currently fighting efforts to protect the Cook Inlet beluga whale population, which has been reduced by 75 percent over the past two decades. Such a listing would prove inconvenient to oil, gas, and coal mining interests, which have been allowed to use the inlet as a massive industrial toilet. The listing might also impair the construction of the other “Bridge to Nowhere” at Knik Arm, a project that Palin continues to support, so long as federal funds can be used to build it.

http://minnesotaindependent.com/9799/palins-alaska-environmental-polic
y-no-way-no-how-no-science-and-no-polar-bears
Quote:

Sarah Palin’s record on the environment is, in a word, terrible. If you’ve admired the Bush administration’s hostility toward the environment and were hoping for an additional four years of science-free public policy from the nation’s chief executives, the prospect of a McCain-Palin victory in November should send you into peals of rapturous praise. Where true believers hear in Sarah Palin the voice of an authentic conservative, others have discerned the faint soundtrack of circus music she brings to the campaign. Hostile toward data that might compromise her pro-development evangelism, Palin embodies a willful ignorance toward professional science that runs counter to her defenders’ insistence that she is a pragmatic leader. The possibility that Palin, as vice president, might be responsible for crafting a framework for America’s energy policy should set the nation’s teeth on edge.
http://minnesotaindependent.com/9799/palins-alaska-environmental-polic
y-no-way-no-how-no-science-and-no-polar-bears
governor has come out against the Clean Water initiative.

Gov. Sarah Palin spoke out against it earlier this week, drawing sharp criticism from a group that supports Ballot Measure 4. It is against the law for the governor to officially advocate for or against a ballot measure; however, Palin took what she calls "personal privelege" to discuss one of this year's most contentious initiatives, which voters will decide Tuesday.

"Let me take my governor's hat off just for a minute here and tell you, personally, Prop 4 -- I vote no on that. I have all the confidence in the world that (the Department of Environmental Conservation) and our (Department of Natural Resources) have great, very stringent regulations and policies already in place," Palin said. "We're going to make sure that mines operate only safely, soundly."

Alaskans for Clean Water, which supports the measure, has filed a complaint against DNR for a recently-launched state website meant to clarify the issue for voters. The group believes the state is illegally staking its position on the proposition before Alaskans vote next Tuesday. A spokesman for the group called Palin's comments "highly unethical."

"You can literally say that these guys in DNR are sitting there with the mining industry, taking it straight off their play book. The slideshow they had up on the screen when they announced this thing is straight from the one they use in their presentations around the state," said Art Hackney of Alaskans for Clean Water. "I think it's absolutely outrageous -- and somehow, unfortunately, it doesn't surprise me."

http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=8885438

If you want an argument as to the necessity of bears and wolves, I can look up all the information you want. In a nutshell: scientists have long concluded that top predators, notably the gray wolf, are absolutely essential for long-term maintenance of the balance of nature and therefore the long-term maintenance of biodiversity. There is more in the nature of human predation of prey species that negatively affects a prey population than that of its natural predators. Humans hunt for the “best species”, whereas predators more often attack the weak and elderly; ergo natural predators keep a prey species healthier. For more detailed information, check http://www.akwildlife.org/content/view/75/70/

I’m not willing to spend any more time on this; yes, I feel strongly about it, but this should be enough information to answer your questions and explain my position. If you want more, I’ll do it tomorrow or something, I’ve put enough time into it as it is that I need to get off the computer, it’s 1:30. That’s how important it is, to me. And all I can say is, you bloody well better read it all, given the time I've taken.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 10, 2010 11:42 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello Niki,

Thanks for this, and I read it all.

When you find the time to put together a site about this, I'd be happy to consult with you about framing the argument to make it less vulnerable to attack.

Remember, if there is even a single absurdity or easily contested statement in a 100 plank platform, that single flaw will be used to dismiss the whole hard work.

I am building a website at www.theunreachablestar.com and would be happy to add a /alaskanhunting or some such sub domain for you to use to bring this important issue to greater illumination. I can give you some 10 megabytes of space, which should be plenty for a small collection of pages to address the issue.

--Anthony


Due to the use of Naomi 3.3.2 Beta web filtering, the following people may need to private-message me if they wish to contact me: Auraptor, Kaneman, Piratenews, Wulfenstar. I apologize for the inconvenience.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:27 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I got no problem w/ Palin going for the $$. If she's to make a run for the White House, she's gonna need it.

And if not ? She's got a large family, a special needs grandchild, and this is America.

She's articulate, she's telegenic and she's got a popular message that sells. I'd think less of her if she DIDN'T at least make a go of it and try to capitalize on her popularity.

Worked for the current resident in the White House.




NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
Elections; 2024
Fri, March 29, 2024 06:56 - 2076 posts
Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Fri, March 29, 2024 06:20 - 6156 posts
Russia says 60 dead, 145 injured in concert hall raid; Islamic State group claims responsibility
Fri, March 29, 2024 06:18 - 57 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Fri, March 29, 2024 02:54 - 3414 posts
BUILD BACK BETTER!
Fri, March 29, 2024 02:49 - 11 posts
Long List of Celebrities that are Still Here
Fri, March 29, 2024 00:00 - 1 posts
China
Thu, March 28, 2024 22:10 - 447 posts
Biden
Thu, March 28, 2024 22:03 - 853 posts
Well... He was no longer useful to the DNC or the Ukraine Money Laundering Scheme... So justice was served
Thu, March 28, 2024 12:44 - 1 posts
Salon: NBC's Ronna blunder: A failed attempt to appeal to MAGA voters — except they hate her too
Thu, March 28, 2024 07:04 - 1 posts
Russian losses in Ukraine
Wed, March 27, 2024 23:21 - 987 posts
human actions, global climate change, global human solutions
Wed, March 27, 2024 15:03 - 824 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL