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...that there is racism in the Tea Party, and given the following, I wonder why they are so determined to say there is NONE, rather than stating they will not tolerate racist element and will callthem out?
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Billy Roper is a write-in candidate for governor of Arkansas and an unapologetic white nationalist. “I don’t want non-whites in my country in any form or fashion or any status,” he says.

Roper also is a tea party member who says he has been gathering support for his cause by attending tea party rallies. “We go to these tea parties all over the country,” Roper said. “We’re looking for the younger, potentially more radical people.”

Accusations about racism within the tea party have rumbled for a year, but they suddenly exploded this week with a resolution at the NAACP convention in Kansas City saying the party is attracting people and groups hostile to minorities.

it’s difficult to answer the racism question because the tea party is split into hundreds of shards, and the issue of racism depends somewhat on perceptions. Still, it’s clear that some with racist agendas are trying to make inroads into the party.

In several instances, tea party members with racist backgrounds such as Roper have played a role in party events. At the same time, The Kansas City Star has found, white nationalist groups are encouraging members to attend tea parties. One organization based in St. Louis is sponsoring tea parties of its own.

Many deny outright that any incidents of racism have occurred. They point out that there are minorities in the tea party and that tea parties are endorsing minority candidates in some races.

Others say racism may be occurring, but only on the fringes of a movement that is so decentralized that 69 tea parties exist in Missouri and 24 more in Kansas. Nonetheless, some in the party have tried to police incidents of racism and turn away white supremacists.

Brendan Steinhauser, director of campaigns for FreedomWorks, which organizes tea parties, acknowledges that some racist groups may be trying to “glom” onto the movement. But “where we see that behavior, we’re going to call them out,” he said.

“Are there infiltrators coming in to try to make it look racist or extremist? Yes,” he said. “Are there people that may have those kinds of views that are showing up at our events trying to be a part of the movement? Sure.

But for Leonard Zeskind, who has written a history of the white nationalist movement, the problem is obvious.“There are hard-core racists brewing inside the tea party movement,” said Zeskind, author of “Blood and Politics” and a Kansas City resident. “They see tea parties not only as recruitment opportunities, but as vehicles to cross over into mainstream American politics.”

Take Ron Wight, who stood with dozens of tea party activists at the J.C. Nichols Memorial Fountain in April, complaining about the Obama administration, its socialist agenda and being called a racist. Then he added: “If I was a black man, I’d get down on my knees and thank God for slavery. Otherwise, I could be dying of AIDS now in Africa.” Wight doesn’t consider that comment to be racist.

“I wish slavery had never happened,” he said. “But there are some black people alive today who have never suffered one day what the people who were black went through in the ’40s, ’50s and ’60s. Has somebody said something stupid or done something stupid? Yes, there have been incidents. But with everything that has been done in this country legally and socially for the black man, it’s almost like they’ve been given a great leg up.”

The Council of Conservative Citizens, a St. Louis-based group that promotes the preservation of the white race, has sponsored its own tea parties in some Southern states. The council’s website has referred to blacks as “a retrograde species of humanity” and said non-white immigration would turn the country into a “slimy brown mass of glop.” Gordon Baum, the group’s founder, told The Star that the council encourages members to participate in tea parties. He described the tea party rallies as “mainly a white thing, because there’s not a whole lot of blacks that participate, and the ones that do get to be speakers.”

Some other white supremacy groups also see tea parties as recruiting grounds.

Roper, a former organizer for the neo-Nazi National Alliance and now chairman of White Revolution, said he has been attending tea party rallies to recruit members and garner support for his 2010 write-in campaign for Arkansas governor.

Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke has posted a video on his website addressing tea party supporters. Duke says in the video that the majority of tea party activists “oppose affirmative action and diversity, which are nothing more than programs of racist discrimination against white people.”

Those who monitor hate groups are worried about racism in the tea party. “There are probably close to a couple thousand of these local tea party chapters now,” said Devin Burghart, vice president of the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights, which is finalizing a special report on tea parties. “A number of these groups have been either thoroughly infiltrated by more hard-core folks, or at least those more hard-core folks are allowed to swim in that same ocean.”

As examples, Burghart cited Robertson, as well as some speakers promoted by tea parties, such as Red Beckman, an anti-Semite who was once evicted from his land by the Internal Revenue Service for refusing to pay taxes. The racism isn’t coming only from the fringe, Burghart said.

“This is not just a nut showing up in the audience with a crazy sign,” Burghart said. “It’s someone who they vetted and decided to give a platform to.”

Zeskind said racist tendencies may be broader within the party than even critics realize. “Liberals think these are all poor, angry, working-class whites, but that’s not true,” said Zeskind, who helped draft the NAACP resolution. “It’s a solid middle class. The belief that these are people hit by the economic downturn is a myth. It’s people who have what they want and don’t want it taken away. They’re ” defending white privilege. Their slogan is ‘We want our country back.’

Zeskind pointed to some of the numerous polls done in the past year on the movement. A CNN poll found that tea party supporters are better off financially and are more highly educated than the general population. Eighty percent of those identifying themselves as tea party supporters were white. According to a New York Times/CBS News poll, 52 percent of tea party supporters said that too much has been made of the problems facing blacks, compared with 28 percent of the general population. A University of Washington survey found that those who think the government has done too much for blacks are 36 percent more likely to support the tea party than those who do not.

Christopher Parker, an assistant professor who directed the survey, said the results showed that the tea party is not just about politics and the size of government. “The data suggests it may also be about race,” Parker said. The one thing I see in these movements right now is there seems to be a very vitriolic mode of communication,” he said. “You’ve got to have a little bit of that kind of language in order to motivate people, but if you have too much of it, then you bring in the most fringe elements.

“And sometimes that can lead to their collapse because those who might be called normal people don’t want to be associated with something so radical.”

But Cozad said it’s not the duty of the tea party to distance itself from racists on the fringe.

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/07/15/2087023/tea-party-rejects-racist-
label.html


Why is it not their duty, if it's there, it's being spoken of, and they don't want to be seen that way? What is wrong with "yes, there are some elements, but we are doing our best to eradicate them, and they don't represent all of us"? Wouldn't that be more sensible than to try to deny what is obviously true? I just don't get that.


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Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:03 AM

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A write in candidate ?

Really? That's your ' proof ' ?




There is zero racism in the Tea Party. Lower taxes , smaller, more responsible gov't, more secure borders...sorry, nothing racist in the last.

Lame try, but when the Left can't debate the issues, it's what they'll always fall back on, no matter what.




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Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
...that there is racism in the Tea Party, and given the following, I wonder why they are so determined to say there is NONE, rather than stating they will not tolerate racist element and will callthem out?
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Billy Roper is a write-in candidate for governor of Arkansas and an unapologetic white nationalist. “I don’t want non-whites in my country in any form or fashion or any status,” he says.

Roper also is a tea party member who says he has been gathering support for his cause by attending tea party rallies. “We go to these tea parties all over the country,” Roper said. “We’re looking for the younger, potentially more radical people.”

Accusations about racism within the tea party have rumbled for a year, but they suddenly exploded this week with a resolution at the NAACP convention in Kansas City saying the party is attracting people and groups hostile to minorities.

it’s difficult to answer the racism question because the tea party is split into hundreds of shards, and the issue of racism depends somewhat on perceptions. Still, it’s clear that some with racist agendas are trying to make inroads into the party.

In several instances, tea party members with racist backgrounds such as Roper have played a role in party events. At the same time, The Kansas City Star has found, white nationalist groups are encouraging members to attend tea parties. One organization based in St. Louis is sponsoring tea parties of its own.

Many deny outright that any incidents of racism have occurred. They point out that there are minorities in the tea party and that tea parties are endorsing minority candidates in some races.

Others say racism may be occurring, but only on the fringes of a movement that is so decentralized that 69 tea parties exist in Missouri and 24 more in Kansas. Nonetheless, some in the party have tried to police incidents of racism and turn away white supremacists.

Brendan Steinhauser, director of campaigns for FreedomWorks, which organizes tea parties, acknowledges that some racist groups may be trying to “glom” onto the movement. But “where we see that behavior, we’re going to call them out,” he said.

“Are there infiltrators coming in to try to make it look racist or extremist? Yes,” he said. “Are there people that may have those kinds of views that are showing up at our events trying to be a part of the movement? Sure.

But for Leonard Zeskind, who has written a history of the white nationalist movement, the problem is obvious.“There are hard-core racists brewing inside the tea party movement,” said Zeskind, author of “Blood and Politics” and a Kansas City resident. “They see tea parties not only as recruitment opportunities, but as vehicles to cross over into mainstream American politics.”

Take Ron Wight, who stood with dozens of tea party activists at the J.C. Nichols Memorial Fountain in April, complaining about the Obama administration, its socialist agenda and being called a racist. Then he added: “If I was a black man, I’d get down on my knees and thank God for slavery. Otherwise, I could be dying of AIDS now in Africa.” Wight doesn’t consider that comment to be racist.

“I wish slavery had never happened,” he said. “But there are some black people alive today who have never suffered one day what the people who were black went through in the ’40s, ’50s and ’60s. Has somebody said something stupid or done something stupid? Yes, there have been incidents. But with everything that has been done in this country legally and socially for the black man, it’s almost like they’ve been given a great leg up.”

The Council of Conservative Citizens, a St. Louis-based group that promotes the preservation of the white race, has sponsored its own tea parties in some Southern states. The council’s website has referred to blacks as “a retrograde species of humanity” and said non-white immigration would turn the country into a “slimy brown mass of glop.” Gordon Baum, the group’s founder, told The Star that the council encourages members to participate in tea parties. He described the tea party rallies as “mainly a white thing, because there’s not a whole lot of blacks that participate, and the ones that do get to be speakers.”

Some other white supremacy groups also see tea parties as recruiting grounds.

Roper, a former organizer for the neo-Nazi National Alliance and now chairman of White Revolution, said he has been attending tea party rallies to recruit members and garner support for his 2010 write-in campaign for Arkansas governor.

Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke has posted a video on his website addressing tea party supporters. Duke says in the video that the majority of tea party activists “oppose affirmative action and diversity, which are nothing more than programs of racist discrimination against white people.”

Those who monitor hate groups are worried about racism in the tea party. “There are probably close to a couple thousand of these local tea party chapters now,” said Devin Burghart, vice president of the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights, which is finalizing a special report on tea parties. “A number of these groups have been either thoroughly infiltrated by more hard-core folks, or at least those more hard-core folks are allowed to swim in that same ocean.”

As examples, Burghart cited Robertson, as well as some speakers promoted by tea parties, such as Red Beckman, an anti-Semite who was once evicted from his land by the Internal Revenue Service for refusing to pay taxes. The racism isn’t coming only from the fringe, Burghart said.

“This is not just a nut showing up in the audience with a crazy sign,” Burghart said. “It’s someone who they vetted and decided to give a platform to.”

Zeskind said racist tendencies may be broader within the party than even critics realize. “Liberals think these are all poor, angry, working-class whites, but that’s not true,” said Zeskind, who helped draft the NAACP resolution. “It’s a solid middle class. The belief that these are people hit by the economic downturn is a myth. It’s people who have what they want and don’t want it taken away. They’re ” defending white privilege. Their slogan is ‘We want our country back.’

Zeskind pointed to some of the numerous polls done in the past year on the movement. A CNN poll found that tea party supporters are better off financially and are more highly educated than the general population. Eighty percent of those identifying themselves as tea party supporters were white. According to a New York Times/CBS News poll, 52 percent of tea party supporters said that too much has been made of the problems facing blacks, compared with 28 percent of the general population. A University of Washington survey found that those who think the government has done too much for blacks are 36 percent more likely to support the tea party than those who do not.

Christopher Parker, an assistant professor who directed the survey, said the results showed that the tea party is not just about politics and the size of government. “The data suggests it may also be about race,” Parker said. The one thing I see in these movements right now is there seems to be a very vitriolic mode of communication,” he said. “You’ve got to have a little bit of that kind of language in order to motivate people, but if you have too much of it, then you bring in the most fringe elements.

“And sometimes that can lead to their collapse because those who might be called normal people don’t want to be associated with something so radical.”

But Cozad said it’s not the duty of the tea party to distance itself from racists on the fringe.

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/07/15/2087023/tea-party-rejects-racist-
label.html


Why is it not their duty, if it's there, it's being spoken of, and they don't want to be seen that way? What is wrong with "yes, there are some elements, but we are doing our best to eradicate them, and they don't represent all of us"? Wouldn't that be more sensible than to try to deny what is obviously true? I just don't get that.


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Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:24 AM

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There are probably racists in all political groups in the USA. How those groups respond to finding racists among them is most telling.

Senator Trent lot booted from leadership position in Republican party because of bogus racism charge.

"Tea Party activist Mark Williams is giving up his role as the chairman of the Tea Party Express"
Most likely pushed out because of racist views.

Senator Robert Byrd
"as Senate Majority Whip from 1971 to 1977. Byrd led the Democratic caucus as Senate Majority Leader from 1977 to 1981 and 1987 to 1989, and as Senate Minority Leader from 1981 to 1987. From 1989 to 2010 he served as the President pro tempore of the United States Senate when the Democratic Party had a majority, and as President pro tempore emeritus during periods of Republican majority beginning in 2001.[6] As President pro tempore, he was third in the line of presidential succession, behind the Vice President and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. He also served as the Chairman of the United States Senate Committee on Appropriations from 1989 to 1995, 2001 to 2003, and 2007 to 2009, giving him extraordinary influence over federal spending."

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Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:25 AM

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I don't know, Niki. I don't think it's enough to say that "there's racism in the Tea Party" because, as the article says, there isn't a single Tea Party. There's several. One has to be more specific. Some groups are definitely nuts, but some aren't. One guy is doing exactly what's been suggested on this board: actively distancing his group from the racist fringe. That's cool, and should be recognized.

I would be more interested in figuring out how some Tea Parties are staying clear of this rot, while in others it festers. Even if the vast majority of Tea Partiers are decent, non-racist people, there is definitely something about the movement that attracts those with racist views. I wonder what.

[edit to change "discriminatory" to "racist". Trying to stay with the lingo.]

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Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
A write in candidate ?

Really? That's your ' proof ' ?



There is zero racism in the Tea Party.



What is the Tea Party?

Is it the people who think of themselves as Tea Partiers, or is it just the ones with their names PRINTED on the ballot?


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Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:38 AM

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Crappy, you are totally irrelevant to this thread’s discussion. You chose to make your “point” by only addressing the very beginning. The rest of the article is filled with facts. Not surprising that you did as you did, given it’s a symptomatic response of yours, but that one fact does not in any way dispute the entire rest of the article. Saying there are "zero" racists is irrelevant, given all the facts.

Kirk, I agree completely:
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How those groups respond to finding racists among them is most telling
That is my point exactly; if they truly don’t want to be categorized as racist, why not admit there are racists among them and state they are not representative, even if they don’t want to go further and say they are rooting them out? Why, like Crappy, say there are “ZERO racists”, and why go after the NAACP’s non-profit status for saying there are? It is very telling, to me, when it would be so simple.

Could you explain the Byrd notation? I don’t see him noted in the article, so I’m not sure to what it refers.

Mal4, I agree with everything you said, but again; why deny there are ANY, rather than as I asked above? As to why it festers in some and not in others, in my opinion that would reflect the leaders of each group; if they tolerate these fringers, their group will.

I missed your point, Rahl, and it is a good one. The gentleman in question is a TEA PARTY MEMBER, whether on the ballot or not--there can be many reasons he didn't make the ballot, we don't know what they were. Leaving him totally out of the equation, however, the rest still makes the point factually.


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Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:02 PM

NIKI2

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As for Roper, from what I can find, even the White Supremacists decry him, but for different reasons. This, an article from a blog by one of their activists (the blog reads “This Blog stands apart from the others because it explains theories and tactics and strategies relating to the White struggle in America nowadays because the American Nazi Party has well-seasoned veterans and proven-experienced National Socialist leaders who have already demonstrated their abilities, via past decades to the present, through activism and accomplishments. ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTE!” http://bowlesblog.blogspot.com/2010_03_01_archive.html): an ole saying saying in elective campaigns, "If you can't do it right, then don't do it". Currently, felonist Glenn Miller and confused Billy Roper are running write-in campaigns in their respective states for elective office. This looks bad on the pro-White Movement because; 1.) It looks like neither candidate has support to initially obtain ballot access and, 2.) It appears as a publicity whore scheme to get attention. Both of them are good at that!
Apparently he didn’t get enough signatures to get on the ballot. Nonetheless, that is the party to which he belongs.


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Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:06 PM

AURAPTOR

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Black Liberation Theology ( Obama's church teachings ) and the New Black Panthers are far more racist and far more closely related to the Dems than anything anywhere near to what the Tea Party has.

Sorry Niki, I'm not irrelevant in this thread. Me forcing you to see how convoluted and inaccurate your b.s. is, no matter how much you may not like it, doesn't change a thing.

You can pretend to ignore me, ridicule me and say what ever the hell you want, but deep down, you know I'm right.


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he didn’t get enough signatures to get on the ballot. Nonetheless, that is the party to which he belongs.



The same party that's backed winners all across this nation, and yet he didn't even get enough signatures to MAKE the ballot ?

THAT party ?

You have less than no case, Niki.




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Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:46 PM

KWICKO

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I'm not irrelevant in this thread.


Not only are you irrelevant in this thread, you're irrelevant on this board.

You're SO desperate to try to convince others that there is NO racism amongst your little tea-bagging buddies that you've actually made blanket statements to that effect. As Kirk pointed out, there's racism in every political party, to some degree or other. To say that your little pitty-party has NONE AT ALL is to not only be disingenuous and ill informed, it's outright stupidity and blatant lying on your part!

And the worst part is, you know all this. Yet as always, you argued yourself into a corner, and now you want to try to just shut down all debate on the matter because it's not going your way, and nobody will listen to your ridiculous and idiotic proclamations.

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Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
nobody will listen to your ridiculous and idiotic proclamations.



Doh! Time for Rappy to dig out another sock puppet so he can "prove" you wrong!

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Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:08 PM

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Sigh...again, Crappy, that guy IS A TEA PARTY MEMBER--it doesn't matter, he could just be a participant in their movement, the point is he is PART of the Tea party! Leaving him out of it entirely, however, how about the entire rest of the article?

There is absolutely nothing convoluted or inaccurate about what I posted. It's from numerous sources, said by numerous people in positions of knowledge, AND EVEN BY THE TEA PARTY heads!

To deny the Tea Party in and of itself is racist is accurate; to deny there is ZERO racism within its ranks is totally inaccurate.

Desperation, look thyself in the mirror. There's no way "deep down" I believe you're right; I go by FACTS, and the facts are overwhelming that there are racist elements in the Tea Party, that leaders in the Tea Party have racist organizational ties, that groups which have funded the Tea Party represent racist interests, and that there are individuals WITHIN the Tea Party who are racist.

If you want me to, I will back that up with all kinds of facts and cites...not today, because it's late and I'm tired and my back aches, but I will, and you know I can, so why not give it up now? Post something insulting, change the topic, do whatever you want, but you simply can NOT deny the facts in that article:
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In several instances, tea party members with racist backgrounds such as Roper have played a role in party events... Brendan Steinhauser, director of campaigns for FreedomWorks, which organizes tea parties, acknowledges “Are there people that may have those kinds of ...? Sure..” ... The Council of Conservative Citizens, a St. Louis-based group that promotes the preservation of the white race, has sponsored its own tea parties in some Southern states. ... Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke has [said] that the majority of tea party activists “oppose affirmative action and diversity, which are nothing more than programs of racist discrimination against white people.” ... some speakers promoted by tea parties, such as Red Beckman, an anti-Semite


Give it UP, Crappy. I can find more; shall I find more? Cites detailing specific Tea Party activists, leaders, financiers, etc? You KNOW I can, and I shouldn’t have to. Just admit there is a racist component in some of the Tea Party and let it go at that. NOBODY is saying the entire party is racist, or even the majority. Just that it is THERE.


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Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:15 PM

AURAPTOR

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Niki,

You'd LIKE me to give it up, but it'll never happen.

The Tea Party isn't anywhere near as racist as our own President.

You know, the one who said his grandmother was acting like a " typical white person " , when she saw a group of young men walking down the street.

It wouldn't matter if they were white, black, brown... any group of late teen/ early 20 yr old men, acting rowdy would likely concern any elderly lady, walking alone , no matter what time of day it was.

Those who propagate the lie that the Tea Party is "racist " are the true cowards. Unable to debate the issues, and all too willing to drive a wedge between Americans, for the pure advancement of your political views.

Sorry babe, but that dog won't hunt.




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Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:53 PM

NIKI2

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All right, let's begin with what you said: "tea party is racist". Nobody's said that, not even (as far as I remember) the NAACP which has brought all this furor recently. What is being said is that there are racist ELEMENTS WITHIN the Tea Party. Are you going to continue to deny that? To say there is "ZERO" racism in the Tea Party? THAT is the question.

As to whether there's "more" racism than Obama, it's not the question (and I don't accept Obama is racist). It's that there is SOME.

This is getting ridiculous, actually. I forgot I was going to make dinner tonight and blew it; the concept that there is NO racism within the Tea Party is patently absurd; I've proven it and there's no point beating my head against the wall.

I give up. Have your delusions.

I'm amazed you are determined to say there is "zero" racism in the Tea Party in the face of all the facts, but I guess I shouldn't be. And no, I wouldn't "like" you to give it up, I'd just like it if you were capable of admitting there are some racist elements in the Tea Party. Simple enough, especially since I've proved there are.


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Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:03 PM

AURAPTOR

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If you want play the parsing of words game, like Clinton did, then have at it.

"Elements within", or what ever, is nothing short of a whole sale attempt to paint the entire Tea Party movement. Period. End of discussion.

Of course there's no question on Obama's racism, or that of the Left. Even to RAISE such a question is verboten. We must stay on message, we must stick to the issue, right ?

Tea Party = racism. THAT'S what is being sold here.


A democrat claims that the term "black hole" is racist, and that's all the proof anyone needs that the race baiters are out in full force. But you defend the clearly and overt attempt of the naaLcp of falsely accusing the TP of racism, with nothing to support your claim, in the least.




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Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:16 PM

NIKI2

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"Elements within", or what ever, is nothing short of a whole sale attempt to paint the entire Tea Party movement
Nope. From the very start I've made the case that there is racism IN the Tea Party, nothing more. Never have I or anyone (I believe) stated that the Tea Party is racist as a whole, nor did the NAACP.

You're the one choosing to parse the words; from the very beginning, the issue has been whether there is racism WITHIN the Tea Party or not.

Nitpick if you will, it still has nothing to do with the original question or any of the answers. Enjoy.




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Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:45 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
What is being said is that there are racist ELEMENTS WITHIN the Tea Party. Are you going to continue to deny that? To say there is "ZERO" racism in the Tea Party? THAT is the question.



Don't fret yourself, Niki. Everyone gets it except that horrible smell who must twist everything to fit his needs. It's what he does: intentionally misunderstand a simple statement.

He really is a cartoon of himself. It's like watching an episode of Walker, TX Ranger. What could you do to caricature that show? Nothing, because it's already at maximum stupid. Ditto raptor.

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Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:47 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


If you want play the parsing of words game, like Clinton did, then have at it.



Okay, THAT is funny, coming from you! You've been on an absolute tear lately, parsing other peoples' words, both the ones they've used, and the ones you claim they DIDN'T use!

So NOW you don't want to play that game?

That's news.

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Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
What is being said is that there are racist ELEMENTS WITHIN the Tea Party. Are you going to continue to deny that? To say there is "ZERO" racism in the Tea Party? THAT is the question.



Don't fret yourself, Niki. Everyone gets it except that horrible smell who must twist everything to fit his needs. It's what he does: intentionally misunderstand a simple statement.

He really is a cartoon of himself. It's like watching an episode of Walker, TX Ranger. What could you do to caricature that show? Nothing, because it's already at maximum stupid. Ditto raptor.

Enjoy your dinner.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I was afraid I was the only one who saw Walker that way! Glad to know I'm not alone in that!

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Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
A write in candidate ?

Really? That's your ' proof ' ?




There is zero racism in the Tea Party. Lower taxes , smaller, more responsible gov't, more secure borders...sorry, nothing racist in the last.

Lame try, but when the Left can't debate the issues, it's what they'll always fall back on, no matter what.



How come nobody points out that since Louie Farhakan sez he is a Democrat, that proves how completely racist all Democrats are?

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Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:13 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
If you want play the parsing of words game, like Clinton did, then have at it.

"Elements within", or what ever, is nothing short of a whole sale attempt to paint the entire Tea Party movement. Period. End of discussion.

Of course there's no question on Obama's racism, or that of the Left. Even to RAISE such a question is verboten. We must stay on message, we must stick to the issue, right ?

Tea Party = racism. THAT'S what is being sold here.


A democrat claims that the term "black hole" is racist, and that's all the proof anyone needs that the race baiters are out in full force. But you defend the clearly and overt attempt of the naaLcp of falsely accusing the TP of racism, with nothing to support your claim, in the least.



Thanks for hanging in there, Raptor. Surely those facts will not be absorbed by them, but at least other viewers can see the truthful side exposing their lame claims, and we appreciate your efforts on our behalf.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 2:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Yeah, keep patting yourself on the back, RappyStaiteFan!

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:25 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


A democrat claims that the term "black hole" is racist, and that's all the proof anyone needs that the race baiters are out in full force. But you defend the clearly and overt attempt of the naaLcp of falsely accusing the TP of racism, with nothing to support your claim, in the least.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380143,00.html




All the proof that's needed to condemn the Left of bogus, 100% fabricated cries of "racism", and what does the peanut gallery do ? Ignore , overlook, pretend it doesn't exist.... anything but respond or acknowledge.




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Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:40 AM

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AU - your powers of persuasion are like minus a billion. Every time you try and defend the T-Potty, they lose members. Every time you say they aren't racist more and more people believe they are the most racist political group on the planet. Please, one favor, don't tell any one how great Firefly is.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:43 AM

AURAPTOR

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Name one who was in favor of lower taxes, smaller, more responsible gov't, more secure borders, spending cuts and the like who has now since changed their view on the Tea Party movement.

You're self deluded nonsense about losing members the more anyone defends against the 100% false and fabricated claims, is laughable.

Firefly has been long cancelled. Sorry to break the news to ya, Piz.




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Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:56 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Name one who was in favor of lower taxes, smaller, more responsible gov't, more secure borders, spending cuts and the like who has now since changed their view on the Tea Party movement.



Me.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're self deluded nonsense about losing members the more anyone defends against the 100% false and fabricated claims, is laughable.



We laugh together!

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Firefly has been long cancelled. Sorry to break the news to ya, Piz.



Spoken like a true American giver upper.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 4:13 AM

AURAPTOR

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So, your views on more responsible government, less wasteful spending, secure borders, lowering the deficit,... have now some how changed due to bogus claims of racism ?

I find that unlikely.

Are you even an US citizen? Your term " American giver upper " suggests you may not be.




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Sunday, July 18, 2010 4:31 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, your views on more responsible government, less wasteful spending, secure borders, lowering the deficit,... have now some how changed due to bogus claims of racism ?

I find that unlikely.

Are you even an US citizen? Your term " American giver upper " suggests you may not be.




"It's not until one discusses with Mr. Rap can one understand the experience...."

Put the flag down fer a sec and have a listen, it's real simple. I think the Tea Party is an important player in the current political landscape. It doesn't matter who I voted for, they're all politicians in my eyes and deserving of being needled while in office. The T-pers *could* work to that end, keep Obama honest on Afghanistan, etc. Unfortunately it IS A FACT that any group that opposes Obama - or is for the new immigration law in AZ - will attract die hard flaming race haters, you dig? These unrepentant racists will subsequently cost any group they are associated with their respect and viability unless they are purged dramatically and publicly. To not understand this is to not understand this country and is therefore unAmerican. Ignore this free advice at your peril.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 4:41 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Sigh...again, Crappy, that guy IS A TEA PARTY MEMBER--it doesn't matter, he could just be a participant in their movement, the point is he is PART of the Tea party! Leaving him out of it entirely, however, how about the entire rest of the article?

There is absolutely nothing convoluted or inaccurate about what I posted. It's from numerous sources, said by numerous people in positions of knowledge, AND EVEN BY THE TEA PARTY heads!

To deny the Tea Party in and of itself is racist is accurate; to deny there is ZERO racism within its ranks is totally inaccurate.

Desperation, look thyself in the mirror. There's no way "deep down" I believe you're right; I go by FACTS, and the facts are overwhelming that there are racist elements in the Tea Party, that leaders in the Tea Party have racist organizational ties, that groups which have funded the Tea Party represent racist interests, and that there are individuals WITHIN the Tea Party who are racist.

If you want me to, I will back that up with all kinds of facts and cites...not today, because it's late and I'm tired and my back aches, but I will, and you know I can, so why not give it up now? Post something insulting, change the topic, do whatever you want, but you simply can NOT deny the facts in that article:
Quote:

In several instances, tea party members with racist backgrounds such as Roper have played a role in party events... Brendan Steinhauser, director of campaigns for FreedomWorks, which organizes tea parties, acknowledges “Are there people that may have those kinds of ...? Sure..” ... The Council of Conservative Citizens, a St. Louis-based group that promotes the preservation of the white race, has sponsored its own tea parties in some Southern states. ... Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke has [said] that the majority of tea party activists “oppose affirmative action and diversity, which are nothing more than programs of racist discrimination against white people.” ... some speakers promoted by tea parties, such as Red Beckman, an anti-Semite


Give it UP, Crappy. I can find more; shall I find more? Cites detailing specific Tea Party activists, leaders, financiers, etc? You KNOW I can, and I shouldn’t have to. Just admit there is a racist component in some of the Tea Party and let it go at that. NOBODY is saying the entire party is racist, or even the majority. Just that it is THERE.


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There are no card carrying members of the tea party, nor is there any leaders that can denounce racism(even imaginary) in the ranks. See, let me tell you a secret...it's not a party it is a vast non-centralized movement. Most believe in a less intrusive and more accountable government. They are everywhere yet nowhere. They are liberal, libertarian, and conservative. When they have a rally anyone can come and express their views openly and without ridicule(yes even racist views). The rallies are the only place to see how our founders thought our government ought to work. They are things of beauty and should be embraced and not ostracized by fear mongers with no valid intellectual argument against liberty.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 5:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Name one who was in favor of lower taxes, smaller, more responsible gov't, more secure borders, spending cuts and the like who has now since changed their view on the Tea Party movement.



AnthonyT. You fail.

Quote:


You're self deluded nonsense about losing members the more anyone defends against the 100% false and fabricated claims, is laughable.



Your accusations of false and fabricated claims are 100% false and fabricated. All of the claims are 100% accurate and true, because I said so. Hey, whattaya know - two CAN play that game!

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Firefly has been long cancelled. Sorry to break the news to ya, Piz.



Canceled by Bush, you mean. ;)


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Sunday, July 18, 2010 5:52 AM

AURAPTOR

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Much like Zoe, I'm not so afraid of standing up for what's right that I'll cower at the mere hint of phony charges.


You want to duck and cover when ever anyone plays the smear game, and tries to keep you quiet , at all cost, have at it.

I don't play like that. Some one tries to kill me, I kill them right back.






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Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:02 AM

NIKI2

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RivKane, I'm going to blow your mind: For the most part, I agree. I'm glad you used the term "Most believe", because then I can agree with you. As for the rallies, I would agree except the other side of that was the disruption of meetings where people wanted to actually talk to their representatives. Those were also expressions of what our country was founded on, and they did a disservice by disrupting them.

But I agree about their makeup and I agree they are a loose coalition. I nonetheless maintain everything else I have posted in this thread.

Thank you for joining the discussion, being forthright and not resorting to your usual tactics, so that I can actually pay attention to your points.

Crappy, you're like a dog with a very old, stinky, fake bone who won't give it up. I know how this works, so I'm not going to waste my time trying to engage you on this further.

Thanx for your good wishes, Mal4; unfortunately it was so late by then that I just ate potato chips and trash and went to bed, which I rarely do. Won't do that again!


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Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:12 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

rappy, you're like a dog with a very old, stinky, fake bone who won't give it up. I know how this works, so I'm not going to waste my time trying to engage you on this further.



You won't because I'm right and you can't debate the issue.

I get that. Perfectly understandable.

( I've posted more on this matter in another thread. Makes my case all the more damning against the race baiters. But you'll ignore it, naturally, because you don't want to face reality. )




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Sunday, July 18, 2010 7:04 AM

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No, I won't debate FURTHER because I've long since proven my point and there's no reason whatsoever to continue repudiating your position.
Quote:

The top Republican in the Senate sought Sunday to stay out of the weeklong war of words between the NAACP and the Tea Party movement.

At its annual convention last week, the longstanding civil rights organization passed a resolution that called on the conservative grassroots movement to repudiate racism within its ranks. The resolution set off a national firestorm that came to a head Friday when Mark Williams, a spokesman for a national Tea Party group, decided to remove a satirical letter he had posted on his blog site earlier in the week in response to the resolution.


Asked about the controversy on CNN’s State of the Union, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell sidestepped the prickly issue.

“Oh my goodness, . . . I’m not interested in getting into that debate,” McConnell told CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley.

NOTE it says "repudiate racism within its ranks"...not "The Tea Party is racist!" Racism proven "within its ranks"; I've proven it, your ridiculous claims that I won't debate show you just want to continue trolling.



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Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:01 PM

DREAMTROVE


To the original thread opening:

Yes, the Tea Party, a group of 15 million people, has among its numbers, some racists. So, sure, you can make the case that there is racism within the movement.

I can make the case that the democratic party was founded on racism, has been supported by racism, is racist at the highest levels, and that racism is the principle ideology which it exists to promote, and I can make a damn good case at that.

Time permitting of course, I've made the case before, here, on this board.

1. The initial political dispute which formed the Democratic Party was "the indian question." A group of DRP members thought that Native Americans were stupid monkey people who should be enslaved or killed to make space for superior white people. The DRP hated that position, so Andrew Jackson led a group of anti-indian genocideers to form a new party called the "Demoratic Party" and the remaining faction of the DRP was called "Republican." I think it was 1824. This was not the GOP, which was formed 30 years later, but it did have many of the same members.

2. The new fledgling democratic party failed to gain enough support, so it searched for a secondary issue, and found it in Slavery. They were, of course, Pro-slavery. Hating blacks came naturally, and the Dems catapulted into power.

3. The Civil War could be considered a partisan war, since Jefferson Davis was a democratic president, and even northern democrats supported him, and his cause, including slavery.

4. After the civil war, the KKK became a principle funding and organizational engine for the democratic party, creating Woodrow Wilson, among others.

5. The democrats then opposed equal rights for blacks, school integration, and favored redlining, and isolating black populations in housing projects to prevent them from infecting the white population.

6. Some of the biggest brainchild of the left, with support from prominent democrats and democratic heroes were racist, including socialism and eugenics. Eugenicists are still revered by today's democratic media personalities like Gail Collins and Rachael Maddow, as well as by elected officials, judicial nominees and thinktankers.

7. The US as taken, under democratic direction, extreme stances in favor of racist policies in a number of countries and globalist institutions around the world, but none more pronounces than the decision to exterminate 8 million blacks in the 1990s under direct orders of the Clinton Administration.

8. Most policies of population control, eugenics, welfare, social programs, drug control and military conflicts can be found very easily to be essentially racist in nature and at the same time resoundingly supported by the democratic party. Anyone here could probably fill at least ten items in this list off the top of their heads, or a hundred given the time.

The point here is not about the Republican Party, but just looking at the Democratic Party as an isolated institution and trying to determine if it is a racist institution, if it has been one historically, and if it is one now. I would conclude, yes, of course it is, and it is resoundingly so.

If the question is "is the democratic party more racist that the GOP?" Historically, definitely yes. Now? I'm not so sure. Probably, but it would be a closer call. If the question is "Is the democratic party of today more racist than the tea party?" Then I'd say, just looking for the outside, I do not consider myself a tea partier, but I would say "yes, it looks that way, I suspect the democratic party, which still refuses to register its own black supporters to vote all across the south during voter registration drives because they don't want 'those people' to have influence inside the party, and would rather lose, then yes, I'd have to say, it looks that way. The Tea Party does not have a lot of black supporters, but it has some. It's just that the Tea Party doesn't speak to an urban population really, so it's not going to have a lot of black support. And sure, it will get some racists, and you can bet that the media will play them up at every opportunity, but it don't mean a damn thing. Nothing racist about opposing govt. bailouts or wanting to repeal the federal reserve act of 1913.

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Monday, July 19, 2010 1:54 AM

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"The National Tea Party Federation has expelled Williams and his Tea Party Express"

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/18/tea.party.imbroglio/index.html?
hpt=C1


"The National Tea Party Federation, an organization that seeks to represent the Tea Party political movement around the country, has expelled Williams and his Tea Party Express organization because of the inflammatory blog post Williams wrote last week, federation spokesman David Webb said Sunday. In response, Williams announced in another statement on his blog that, "I am refusing all media requests on this" and canceled a scheduled interview on CNN to discuss the controversy Sunday evening, citing a last-minute change in travel plans."

""We, in the last 24 hours, have expelled Tea Party Express and Mark Williams from the National Tea Party Federation because of the letter that he wrote," Webb said of Williams' blog post that satirized a fictional letter from what he called "Colored People" to President Abraham Lincoln."

"NAACP President Ben Jealous met Williams' statement by telling CNN, "Good riddance, Mark Williams." But he praised Tea Party activists like Webb, who is African-American, for standing up and "self-policing" their movement."

Hmm, a public purging... where have I heard that?

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Monday, July 19, 2010 6:34 AM

NIKI2

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Quote:

They were, of course, Pro-slavery

the KKK became a principle funding and organizational engine for the democratic party, creating Woodrow Wilson, among others

refuses to register its own black supporters to vote all across the south during voter registration drives because they don't want 'those people' to have influence inside the party

Eugenicists are still revered by today's democratic media personalities like Gail Collins and Rachael Maddow, as well as by elected officials, judicial nominees and thinktankers.

The US as taken, under democratic direction, extreme stances in favor of racist policies in a number of countries and globalist institutions around the world, but none more pronounces than the decision to exterminate 8 million blacks in the 1990s under direct orders of the Clinton Administration.

Most policies of population control, eugenics, welfare, social programs, drug control and military conflicts can be found very easily to be essentially racist in nature and at the same time resoundingly supported by the democratic party.

Cites and examples, please.

Quote:

The democrats then opposed equal rights for blacks
SOUTHERN Democrats, who later became Republicans as a result.

Didn't you also forget to include the admitted "Southern Stragety" of the GOP?

Pizmo:
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Hmm, a public purging... where have I heard that?
Can you really say that the dismissal of one extremely obvious racist, after he wrote something which shocked many by its racism, who was a major figure in the Tea Party, is a “purging”? Nobody ASKED for a purging, only that the Tea Party DECRY racism within its ranks. That’s a helluva leap!


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Monday, July 19, 2010 7:41 AM

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Yes, I think it's a public purging of one of their more outspoken members, though probably more symbolic or superficial depending on which side you're on. They're playing politics, *they* (however that was determined) are showing at the very least they do want to be a taken seriously by a wider audience.


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Monday, July 19, 2010 8:00 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


There is zero racism in the Tea Party. Lower taxes , smaller, more responsible gov't, more secure borders...sorry, nothing racist in the last.



Zero? Come on, not even you are that stupid. I don't think that all, or even a majority of them are racist - but to say there is none at all is so easily dis proven that it's amazing that you would make such an idiotic claim.

Quote:

Lame try, but when the Left can't debate the issues, it's what they'll always fall back on, no matter what.





So says the man that just posted a blatant, head-in-the-sand lie. Lame try indeed, douchebag.

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Monday, July 19, 2010 8:02 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
To the original thread opening:

Yes, the Tea Party, a group of 15 million people, has among its numbers, some racists. So, sure, you can make the case that there is racism within the movement.

I can make the case that the democratic party was founded on racism, has been supported by racism, is racist at the highest levels, and that racism is the principle ideology which it exists to promote, and I can make a damn good case at that.



But who gives a shit, really? Those people are dead, and the matters presented by the currently breathing are of slightly more pressing concern.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, July 19, 2010 10:47 AM

NIKI2

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Good points, Story. I would say it's not stupidity, it might well be more having made a statement, stuck with it, and determined to repeat it no matter what. Doesn't that fit better?

It's irrelevant, tho', you're right. There are more important things in the world, especially right now. There will always be partisan blindness...and yes, obviously it's politically advantageous, Pizmo, to moderate a stance so as to not offend a wider audience which might not listen to your issues if you turn them off.

Which is precisely why I wonder that they're not just doing the simple thing: Decrying racism and racist elements within their midst, rather than so vociferously insisting they don't exist and trying to paint anyone who says otherwise as racist. It baffles me.

Is it fear of offending their more radical base? That they'll think the party's been disloyal or something? If so, wouldn't it be the part of their group that IS racist who would feel that way? Human mentality is very confusing, there doesn't seem to be any problem to me for them to simply say "we don't believe in racism and we will not tolerate those in our midst who do", then usher the obviously racist signs, etc., out of their publicized protests.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


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Monday, July 19, 2010 10:52 AM

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I much preferred it when they were called the tea baggers.

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America loves a winner!


Storymark,

I posted no lie, so spare me the childish insults.

Also,......


"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no heed to the plank in your own eye? " Matthew 7:3




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