Louisiana well emitting oil, gas after vessel strike by Niki2

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Louisiana well emitting oil, gas after vessel strike

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:42 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

...sigh...

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A towing vessel struck an oil well in the Barataria Waterway off the southeastern Louisiana coast on Tuesday, causing the well to emit oil and natural gas into Barataria Bay, the Coast Guard said in a news release.

Retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the government's point man for the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, said there was a sheen around the platform, and vapor that's probably a combination of gas and water was emanating from the state-owned well, called C-117.

The tug vessel Pere Ana C was pushing the dredge barge Captain Buford Berry when it hit the wellhead, the Coast Guard said.

Jefferson Parish Councilman Chris Roberts said that while oil was gushing from the well in 6 feet of water, it was too dangerous to get close enough to estimate how much oil was leaking out.

However, Roberts said he doesn't "expect it is going to be a huge problem to contain it or cap" the leak, because "it isn't uncommon."

Doesn't this TELL US SOMETHING?!?! Does anybody get that if they see this as so inconsequential because such things are COMMON,there's a problem with the attitude of drilling?

I am TRULY sorry for the oil men in the Gulf, but the other rigs should be checked out and a new mentality be crafted for dealing with the potentials of offshore rights.

I know, in a perfect world...

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:53 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Doesn't this TELL US SOMETHING?!?! Does anybody get that if they see this as so inconsequential because such things are COMMON,there's a problem with the attitude of drilling?

Yep. We should just stop drilling for oil and natural gas worldwide. Maybe we should also close down any existing oil and gas wells. And let's scram all the nuclear plants too. And those coal-fired generators - let's shut them down as well. And fireplaces and cooking fires? Gotta stop those. So what if the world's economy flops in a collapse that makes the recent stuff look like a tiny blip and tens of millions of folks die?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Wow, overreact much, Geez? You really can't see a difference between "Maybe we should start looking at being more careful about such things" and "Oh my gawd ohmigawd we're all going to die if we don't stop drilling everywhere today!"?

In your tiny little mind, saying we should exercise more caution is exactly the same as saying we should never drill a single well anywhere, eh?

That's some slippery slope you've got there!

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:59 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Just for Y'all, particularly Byte.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100727/METRO/7270395/Obama-pledges-sw
ift-response-after-Battle-Creek-oil-spill
Convenient...

Nasty too, been a bit busy helping coordinate non official efforts here.

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Let's see if Obama waits 90 days to let someone else take care of this one.....

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:25 PM

KWICKO

Nah, he should just hoist up the "Mission Accomplished!" banner and call it a done deal...

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:23 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Perhaps if some sort of beer summit were held....

I know, they could serve Abita! Yeah, that'd make it all better.

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:24 AM

KWICKO

Or he could fly over in Air Force One on his way to the ranch to have some birthday cake! That always cheers people up!

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:17 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Wow, overreact much, Geez? You really can't see a difference between "Maybe we should start looking at being more careful about such things" and "Oh my gawd ohmigawd we're all going to die if we don't stop drilling everywhere today!"?

I can see the difference. There's someone else here who apparently can't. Else why a new rant every day? I'm expecting, "Wife of BP worker spills cooking oil in kitchen! THOSE BASTARDS!!!", any day now.

If Niki wants to play the PN of BP, that's fine, but she should expect the same response PN gets.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:58 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Geezer:

If Niki wants to play the PN of BP, that's fine, but she should expect the same response PN gets.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

DING DING DING DING !!!!

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Again with the "win" thing. It's becoming clear to me that this is what it's largely about for you and your friends. You gotta feel you've "won" every argument, whether you did or not. That explains a lot and helps me understand better. Thank you.

I'm interested in the Gulf oil spill, and others, of course. It's personal to me, whereas what Lindsay Lohan does is not. I want you to stay aware and informed on what's happening because I believe it matters to all of us. But you're neglecting to notice all the other things I put up--usually only one thread a day, if that, about the Gulf or oil spills, etc. I also put up many other things, and some days there's nothing new or of interest to report. Sometimes I even put up disparaging posts about the administration, when I feel they're important and when I disagree with what the administration is doing.

And there's a huge difference between me and PN, which you already know, in that I don't slather the board with absurdities, I find NEWS, and I don't villify with names which have nothing to do with the people involved and reflect my own overboard prejudices. Not to mention ugly posters and videos which do nothing but emphasize my hatred. There are many differences.

As to putting up information about oil spills, sooner or later they have/will impact us ALL in one way or another. We've been complacent about oil spills/leaks/disasters for so long, as have I, that my hope is bringing things to peoples' attention will help make them see the light...for those for whom it is possible, anyway.

Just FYI, I don't want all drilling to stop immediately. I want enough pressure put on that we start SERIOUSLY looking for alternative energy sources, and get away from oil eventually. As to coal, the facts surrounding coal are incredible and horrific, and nobody pays attention to THAT either, much less the age and safety concerns of our existing nuclear plants. I have a friend who lives near a coal mine/processing plant. She's educated me, more than I'd like. I want reasonable, renewable energy, but there's no way "I want it all, NOW!", and Mike's remarks about overreacting are right on point.

Obviously you don't have any interest in these things. I think the people who are impacted DO. Eventually I imagine one of those people will be you, and maybe then you'll feel the light should have been shined on the that particular disaster. Let's see how you feel about it then.

I went through the Cosco Busan spill here in the Bay Area a while back. I cleaned beaches all the way out in Stinson, which taught me how far and wide a spill can travel and the harm it can do. I went from marina to marina, handing out provided information on how to clean the oil off their boats; I saw their reactions. For me, it's a reality now, and the Gulf just made it worse. I hope it doesn't become a reality for you one day, but I can pretty much predict someday it WILL. It already will, in ways you may not notice, but that's nothing compare to when it hits close to YOU.

http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C3&Date=20100727&C
ategory=METRO&ArtNo=7270395&Ref=AR&Q=100&MaxW=290&MaxH=290
"A worker tries to shake excess oil off his hands while running a pump to recover oil." (Brandy Baker / The Detroit News)

Does Byte live around there, Frem? If so, she has my deepest sympathy.

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:51 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Doesn't this TELL US SOMETHING?!?! Does anybody get that if they see this as so inconsequential because such things are COMMON,there's a problem with the attitude of drilling?

Yep. We should just stop drilling for oil and natural gas worldwide. Maybe we should also close down any existing oil and gas wells. And let's scram all the nuclear plants too. And those coal-fired generators - let's shut them down as well. And fireplaces and cooking fires? Gotta stop those. So what if the world's economy flops in a collapse that makes the recent stuff look like a tiny blip and tens of millions of folks die?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Never too big for a bullshit straw-man, eh, Geez?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:56 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Ok.

We need energy. We need some way to produce energy.

What is the solution?

Windmills cant cover it. Solar energy is years away, if ever.

Nuclear reactors produce horrible waste.

Oil... well, here you go.

So?

What is the solution?

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:04 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

The solution is to BEGIN...nothing changes overnight. Wind and solar, water and others could do it, in time. You think oil is infinite? (Ooops, I seem to remember you or someone else saying it WAS) If we don't start now, we'll be in pretty bad shape eventually, because it IS finite.

Aside from which, I see nothing wrong in doing our utmost to ensure the SAFETY as much as we can from leaks, spills, gushers, etc. We don't currently. That is my main point. Deepwater drilling without any plan as to what to do if there's a disaster is the height of idiocy; ignoring dangers for the sake of profit harms everyone but the oil companies, and that's what we've lived with for decades. If people are more aware, perhaps they'll demand more responsibility. It's worth a try, in my opinion.

We are all, not just the Gulf, already paying the price for BP's greed. Eventualy we'll all find ourselves paying personally if nothing is done to change the way things are.

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:55 AM

KWICKO

The thing is, Wulfie, you're looking for *A* solution, as if there's one single thing that will magically solve it all. There isn't. Never was. You're seeing all that black and white again, and never the greys in between.

Wind where it's feasible; solar where IT is feasible; geothermal; oil sands, oil shale, natural gas where you can, coal where you have to, nuclear if you can figure out the problems with it.

You don't get a single 100% solution. You get a whole lot of *LITTLE* solutions. Walk away from the Hummer H2 (as people did, in droves, when gas hit $5 a gallon) and vehicles of its kind. More hybrids, some pure electrics (the US Postal Service would be instrumental in this, since a huge portion of their fleet of 150,000 vehicles are locked into the same 20-mile daily loop, and are parked all night...). And, as some doofus once tried to point out - and got soundly ridiculed for by the "Drill Baby Drill!" crowd - check your tire pressure. Properly-inflated tires would have saved more oil and gas in this country than has been spilled by BP.

Do the little things you can, and keep thinking about what ELSE you can do. Eat local; eat produce in season. Carpool. Take the bus or train if you can. Or walk. Or ride a bike.

You want people to take charge of their lives when it comes to self-defense, Wulf. Why not do the same for energy consumption?

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:14 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

http://ricochet.com/conversations/Manmade-Global-Warming-The-Solution

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:40 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Cute, but irrelevant. We HAVE changed our lifestyle, as have others here, but we're not so foolish as to believe

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Then, when the rest of us saw the results of their actions—you know, the earth cooling, oceans lowering, polar bears frolicking and glaciers growing—we would see the error of our ways and join the crusade voluntarily and enthusiastically.

Gimme a break. That's just a snark.

There are developing nations who don't grasp CLIMATE CHANGE (it's not "global warming", it's an increase in dramatic climate shifts partially caused by man's toxicity to the climate, if you want to seriously debate it--which I don't; we've been there/done that too much alread). They need, so they cut down forests and ruin waterways--hell, we do that just in the Gulf. There are countries for whom the almighty profit is more important than long-term survival, so it means nothing to them and they have control over their citizenry and keep people uninformed. There are countries (like us) who are too comfortable with their lifestyle and hide their heads in the sand to the tune of "it can't happen here".

Yet there are many forward-looking countries who ARE making changes; nonetheless, it's a big world and the above is pretty damned hard to fight.

Mike missed another good point. Even today, there is no "one" solution--everything doesn't depend on oil. Most does, yes, but we also depend on coal, coal shale, water and other things to make the whole of the energy we use. So if it's that way now, why not look at multiple solutions that don't involve oil (or coal, if we had any brains)?

As he said, you want someone to produce ONE magic solution that doesn't change your lifestyle; it's not that now, it never has been and never will be. There's just one big huge part of it that needs changing (or two, in my opinion); nuclear can at least be made safer, tho' it's not a long-term solution either unless we find a way to do away with waste.

All things are finite, all things change; but if we depended more on RENEWABLES, we'd be better off and so would the planet.

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:45 AM

BYTEMITE

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Just for Y'all, particularly Byte.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100727/METRO/7270395/Obama-pledges-sw
ift-response-after-Battle-Creek-oil-spill
Convenient...

Nasty too, been a bit busy helping coordinate non official efforts here.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

They are SOOOO doing it on purpose. Not like they were ever HIDING it, but still.

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:05 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
http://ricochet.com/conversations/Manmade-Global-Warming-The-Solution

So because you're on armed duty in your city, crime has dropped to zero, eh? That IS essentially what the idiot Pat Sajak is suggesting. Hey, if you think your being armed and dangerous makes such a huge difference, let's see those numbers! Flip those letters, Vanna!

This pretty much sums up how I've always felt about Sajak:

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:09 AM

BYTEMITE

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I can see the difference. There's someone else here who apparently can't. Else why a new rant every day? I'm expecting, "Wife of BP worker spills cooking oil in kitchen! THOSE BASTARDS!!!", any day now.

If Niki wants to play the PN of BP, that's fine, but she should expect the same response PN gets.

Okay, 1) that wasn't the argument you made above. The argument you made above was a slippery slop fallacy about Niki advocating shutting down all wells despite economic impact when she said no such thing.

2) this argument doesn't follow or explain the previous statements, and is itself two logical fallacies: an appeal to ridicule, and reducto ad Pirate News.

Now, what I THINK happened is that you read her comments as an endorsement of regulation, they probably are. But I find her comments a fairly on target critique of the engineering involved here in these similar drilling wells, which apparently sucks, and I don't find it out of bounds or presumptuous to suggest maybe these companies ought to sink some cash into R&D to reduce engineering failures, even if it's just for liability reasons. Barring that, if a business is irresponsible, consumers should decide with their wallets. If the money they're paying is contributing to gross negligence on the part of these companies, people are in their rights to not buy the product.

If someone dies, I'm entirely willing to consider it criminal negligence. I consider BP and the regulators that looked the other way to help BP expedite the oil extraction at Deep Horizon criminals guilty of eleven counts of manslaughter.

Also, I resemble that remark, about the BP and cooking oil. But seriously, I don't think we can brush aside that there really does seem to be some problem with equipment.

That is if these accidents aren't intentional, to reduce supply and increase demand, which is why I responded to Frem's posting the way I did. Here in Salt Lake City, a Chevron pipeline spilled a bunch of oil onto one of our rivers, too. The fact that something similar happened near Detroit, AND two leaking damaged oil wells in the gulf, AND yet another problem with the Alaskan Oil Pipeline, and big picture it looks like something is screwed up.

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:18 AM

BYTEMITE

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Why not do the same for energy consumption?

This.

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:55 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
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I can see the difference. There's someone else here who apparently can't. Else why a new rant every day? I'm expecting, "Wife of BP worker spills cooking oil in kitchen! THOSE BASTARDS!!!", any day now.

If Niki wants to play the PN of BP, that's fine, but she should expect the same response PN gets.

Okay, 1) that wasn't the argument you made above. The argument you made above was a slippery slop fallacy about Niki advocating shutting down all wells despite economic impact when she said no such thing.

2) this argument doesn't follow or explain the previous statements, and is itself two logical fallacies: an appeal to ridicule, and reducto ad Pirate News.

And it should be pointed out that when it comes to the title of "PN of BP", Rappy takes that title, hands down.

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Now, what I THINK happened is that you read her comments as an endorsement of regulation, they probably are. But I find her comments a fairly on target critique of the engineering involved here in these similar drilling wells, which apparently sucks, and I don't find it out of bounds or presumptuous to suggest maybe these companies ought to sink some cash into R&D to reduce engineering failures, even if it's just for liability reasons. Barring that, if a business is irresponsible, consumers should decide with their wallets. If the money they're paying is contributing to gross negligence on the part of these companies, people are in their rights to not buy the product.

If someone dies, I'm entirely willing to consider it criminal negligence. I consider BP and the regulators that looked the other way to help BP expedite the oil extraction at Deep Horizon criminals guilty of eleven counts of manslaughter.

And if it can be shown that there were KNOWN problems with the equipment and/or the training of personnel and/or the testing of said equipment, that gets elevated to homicide, or possibly to felony murder.

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Also, I resemble that remark, about the BP and cooking oil.

Or coffee!

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But seriously, I don't think we can brush aside that there really does seem to be some problem with equipment.

And the training. And the whole "who gives a shit/can't happen to me" macho-man roughneck culture.

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That is if these accidents aren't intentional, to reduce supply and increase demand, which is why I responded to Frem's posting the way I did. Here in Salt Lake City, a Chevron pipeline spilled a bunch of oil onto one of our rivers, too. The fact that something similar happened near Detroit, AND two leaking damaged oil wells in the gulf, AND yet another problem with the Alaskan Oil Pipeline, and big picture it looks like something is screwed up.

Something is beyond screwed up, but I'm not quite willing to make the logical leap that it's being DELIBERATELY screwed with to cause these issues. Not saying it definitely ISN'T being done that way; just that I'm not ready to go there. But anymore, nothing really surprises me...

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:56 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
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Why not do the same for energy consumption?

This.

Does that mean you agree, or disagree? You're a bit of a cipher to me, sometimes. I say that as a compliment.

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Why, thank you Byte. You're a cipher to me, too, and I also mean it as a compliment. I never know whether you're going to agree with me or disagree, and I LOVE that--especially as you do it civilly! It means we can have real debates and even if we still feel the same way at the end, it was educational and interesting.

I thought from what Frem said that you might be around there, but it seems like you're not? And I'd like to hear more about how they're doing it on purpose. I know when we had our humongous energy-rate increase here in CA it was faked; they deliberately closed down some places for "maintenance" to lessen the supply. But THIS sounds truly egregious!

Essentially: "Everything you and Mike said".

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:35 AM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
http://ricochet.com/conversations/Manmade-Global-Warming-The-Solution

Here's what I love about this. Wulfie just went off in two separate threads on Niki for discussing stuff Maddow talked about last night and screamed about how Niki wasn't giving her own opinion and that he always gives his own opinion based on his own experiences. And then...he goes and posts this link. Just this link. I think it's safe to assume it wasn't written by Wulf himself. So why post it?

Why do you get a free pass from your own stipulations Wulfie? Why do you make rules for everybody to play by but then break them yourself? Where's your opinion in that? Why are you letting the author of that article speak for you? Or why do you let videos of songs and movies speak for you? Are you the characters being portrayed/sung about? Or are you just a hypocrite?

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:39 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

The difference being, I didn't claim it as my own, make quotes from it, whatever.

I just posted a link and let people make up their own minds.

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:08 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
The difference being, I didn't claim it as my own, make quotes from it, whatever.

I just posted a link and let people make up their own minds.

But you plagiarized the link.

How d'ya like them apples?

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:36 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Thanx Cuda. I'm not sure where he things I said they were my "own" words, by the way--the idea that I could have written all that from my own knowledge is pretty absurd, it should have been obvious to anyone. And I put in quotes the things I lifted DIRECTLY from a source; the rest was shorthand.

It's neither here nor there; the remark about him putting up videos, etc., is funny...especially funny because I'm pretty sure WulfWind DOES think he's one of the fantasy characters he puts up. You can just envision him at home, watching it and drooling and saying "I could do that!", can't you?

Just another drooling

Not worth paying attention to.

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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:45 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Alas, I been up to the neck in political hassle over this local one, argh.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100728/METRO01/7280396/Oil-spill-spre
ads-to-35-miles--Granholm-bashes-response

Hell, if the Gulf didn't need you more I'd be tempted to have Cyd down at circle-D sign you on, Nik - but we got enough PEOPLE, it's just that many of them don't have a damned clue, especially in the motherfucking DNR and whatnot, ok, yes, the animals are likely to have shorter lifespans and a higher potential of non-viable births, but if they breed AT ALL that's one more saved goddamn it, and they seem to have the idea that any animal with so much as a drop of oil on it should be executed, then decapitated, immediately...

And it's that loppin the heads off part that makes me suspicious as hell for reasons you can explain better than I can, it seems our local "natural resources" folk ain't exactly on side here, and keeping their grubby fucking paws off rescue efforts is a pain in the ass, PLUS a shitload of cat-herding people who MEAN well, but don't seem to realize how damn toxic this stuff is, which is especially irritating given that my special talents for calming animals seem to be in some way vital to their survival chances.

It's hard to explain, but if I can make touch contact with a critter, it's almost a given THAT one will survive, I dunno if they freak themselves out to death or what, but being able to get them to chill seems imperative, so I get really pissy when dragged offa that to lay down verbal smack at people who ought to know better!

Btw, damn cleaning birds seems to be a messy job, and one I sure hell wouldn't wish on the unwilling, especially as fuckin obnoxious as those stupid geese are - there's not really a lot of sympathy towards savin em, not even from me since I see em as a "potential food product" (ok, not *entirely* true, but I can't have people thinkin I am nice, not around here) - but when it takes maybe 30-60 seconds in proximity to do my trick, it'd be a damn stingy thing to refuse.

And of course, there's some ya can't save, but having dealt with that in regards to humans, it's not gonna impact me too bad concerning critters I don't even particularly like.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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