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Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:57 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg




And, you wonder why some in our country are ready to take up arms?

3%er

So, we shall see.


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Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Poor baby, you don't even get it, do you? The revlutionaries WERE terrorists...THEY were the ones who began the concept of guerilla tactics, which helped discobobulate the way wars had been done and gave us an edge.

Of COURSE they were terrorists; just as you and your "buddies" would be if yuu caused the revolution you so love to threaten. Shees.


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Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:27 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"Poor baby, you don't even get it, do you? The revlutionaries WERE terrorists...THEY were the ones who began the concept of guerilla tactics, which helped discobobulate the way wars had been done and gave us an edge.

Of COURSE they were terrorists; just as you and your "buddies" would be if yuu caused the revolution you so love to threaten. Shees."


.... and herein lies the difference between free people(American patriots), and subjects (slaves).

Granted. The difference between a freedom fighter (rebel, BrownCoat) and "terrorist" is who wins.

But, when it comes to the freedom of people, the hope of mankind, and the desire to "go your own way"...

I'll take those odds.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:31 AM

EVILDINOSAUR


GOD WULF, YOU TOTALLY STOLE THAT VIDEO FROM SOMEONE ELSE!!!! DON'T YOU HAVE ANY ORIGINAL THOUGHTS!!!!!!!!!

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:33 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


lol

Thats cute.

But, the difference is, my thoughts are my own. However, please take this up in the other thread if you are so inclined.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:36 AM

RIVERLOVE


The British were actually the terrorists during the Revolutionary War. They killed innocent civilians at random, and pillaged and ransacked the land and goods of even those still loyal to England. On the other side, General Washington's Army fought with bravery, honor, courage, and dignity.

Only a whacked-out far-left America-hating piece of shit would even think of our Founding Fathers as terrorists.

By the way Niki-bitch, this pic you posted recently failed to actually identify which one in the photo was you. I'm guessing you're the ugly, unkempt one.


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Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:37 AM

RIVERDANCER


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
The difference between a freedom fighter (rebel, BrownCoat) and "terrorist" is who wins.


The Browncoats lost.

Also, the conjunction of 'let us' requires an apostrophe. Let's. The word lets means 'allows.'

Hey, that was pretty fun.


Facts are stubborn things.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:38 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Riverdance: good catch.

Changed it.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:41 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Riverlove,

Remember.... High ground, high ground.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:44 AM

RIVERLOVE


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Riverlove,

Remember.... High ground, high ground.


Blow me Wolfboy.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:46 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


WTF? Really?

Im trying to point out to you that dropping into the mire does not serve to strengthen your argument.

ETA: Yes, I know, vultures. My own pack might be quick to bite, but it doesn't mean they are far off.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:51 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
WTF? Really?

Im trying to point out to you that dropping into the mire does not serve to strengthen your argument.



Just because you wallow in ecstasy as the libtards here shit all over you doesn't give you any right to lecture me on anything. Go fuck yourself if that'll make it clearer for you.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:56 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Of course not, Riverlove.

You are right.

I don't have the right to lecture you, or lead you, or force you to anything. Didn't mean to give that impression.

However, I DO have the right to offer advice.

You can do with it what you want.

And, for the record... (shitting on me etc)... ever play chess? Sometime you have to give up a bishop to gain the queen.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:56 AM

BYTEMITE


Wulf, didn't watch your video, but the reaction here was very good.

I think you have it right. The "terrorist" label is applied by both sides of opposing groups during a conflict, and whichever side loses, the label sticks. This is unfortunate, because the reduction of certain protections in recent times allows the US government to "terrorize" people, and the government will probably end up winning that one, being able to deploy an army and having better legal representation. Some pamphleteer in Minnesota or that Indy News site could be labeled a terrorist group, and this wouldn't even be without precedence, as there was one documented time that Indy News servers were seized when they refused to comply with a subpoena for the IP address of all visitors on a certain day. It's pretty ridiculous.

As for the Founding Fathers, I like some of them within the context of the times they lived, but some of them I don't like. Patrick Henry was awesome, and Thomas Jefferson was pretty cool, although I kind of wish he lived what he preached and freed his slaves. I actually don't know much about many of the others, other than I side with the anti-Federalists, and disagree with the Federalists.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:09 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Of course not, Riverlove.

You are right.

I don't have the right to lecture you, or lead you, or force you to anything. Didn't mean to give that impression.

However, I DO have the right to offer advice.

You can do with it what you want.

And, for the record... (shitting on me etc)... ever play chess? Sometime you have to give up a bishop to gain the queen.


I went over the line with you and I apologize. But you are dead wrong in your approach. I used to tell Jongs the same thing many times and he also rejected my style. Funny, he doesn't even post here anymore because even at his most kind and gracious behavior to the Libs, all he ever got was shit, just like you. How much of their mocking, insulting, condescending, etc etc etc are you gonna take before you disappear too?

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:13 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


It takes a lot to change a single mind.

When that "mind" is part of a collective? More so.

You've got to cut the minds who can be free, from the herd. Offer them what you have, and let them make their own choice.

For me, this is a testing ground. I think I can free some people from their chains, it just takes the right strike.

So, I'm not going anywhere for a while. No worries.

ETA: Do you know how they train elephants? They start with chains. And after a while, after they beat them and hurt them, they move to smaller links. In the end, elephants are held by rope (which they could easily break free from) but what actually holds them is the mental blocks put in place.

ETA2: Riverdancer: Yes the BrownCoats lost. But... "may have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one".

So. Evil may have won the battle, but the war is far from over.




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Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, we all know quite perfectly well that you'd become a terrorist if yout hought your cause was just.

I know American “patriots” can’t stand the thought that our forefathers were terrorists, I see how that’s slathered all over the internet. But the truth is...well, let’s let Thomas Jefferson put it in his own words:
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“he circumstances of our country put in our power to evade a pitched battle," Hamilton advised his American compatriots. "It will be better policy to harass and exhaust the soldiery by frequent skirmishes and incursions than to take the open field with them, by which means they would have the full benefit of their superior regularity and skills."
Lessee, isn’t that exactly what Al Qaeda stated it intended to do? Harass us and cause so many wars we would bankrupt ourselves, despite our overwhelming might? The British certainly thought of us as terrorists...

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Why, yes, they certainly were. The "Boston Tea Party" was certainly an illegal act of vandalism, and many British officials were tarred and feathered. Loyalist families were threatened and harassed and their property stolen for use by the revolutionary army.

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That is essentially what they were. Or they could also have been called "insurgents."

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And if one wants to consider the Native Americans, I LOVE this one: "I have a tee-shirt that shows American Indians with rifles. It's called, 'The Original Homeland Security'."

We certainly did things to the indians that we would condemn terrorist for doing today.

Then there’s this:
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This surge of popular militancy sowed not chaos but a new order in which a unified, countrywide network of so-called "committees of public safety" -- effectively revolutionary cells -- ousted British political appointees and officers, enforced ideological orthodoxy, mobilized militias, and in general set the agenda for the fight that was to come.

“It is important to remember that there was a fundamental agreement between the insurgents and the Congress on revolutionary goals.

Breen is aware that his use of the word "insurgents" might seem provocative in today's climate. The American revolutionaries were insurgents, and occasionally terrorists and torturers as well. Breen doesn't belabor comparisons with today's insurgencies and rebellions, but of course they are impossible to ignore, and he gently reminds us of the parallels.

These days, Breen concludes, "as so many other people throughout the world demand their rights and justice, they challenge modern Americans to remember their own revolutionary origins."

"American Insurgents, American Patriots," by T. H. Breen

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Had Cornwallis continued to march throughout the southern states, rather than get bottled up and surrender at Yorktown on October 19, 1781, we might be referring to George, Tom, Patrick, and other famous Virginians of that day as rebels (or even as terrorists) rather than as "founding fathers."
http://www.virginiaplaces.org/military/revwar.html

It IS important that we keep in mind that our forefathers, in their attempts to wrest this country from the British, did things and said things similar to what the people we call “terrorists’ do today. We like to think of ourselves as “freedom fighters” and better than terrorists—-in fact the explosion on the internet of this story shows that—-but the fact is, to gain their freedom the American Revolutionaries did many of the same things. We DID torture. We DID harass the citizenry. We DID kidnap.

We can’t bear the similarities because of what terrorism means today, but it’s semantics, nothing more. I know it’s abhorrent to you to think of our Founding Fathers as anything but patriots and heroes, but that’s because
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High RWAs typically think they’re way, way better. They are the Holy Ones. They are the Chosen. They are the Righteous. They somehow got a three-for-one special on self-righteousness.


Who was it who said “One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist”? To the British, we were terrorists. Webster defines terrorism as “the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion”. Are you suggesting the American Revolutionaries didn’t do that?

We’re not free of it even now, if you want to look at it dispassionately. Wikipedia:
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The United States government has been the subject of accusations of state terrorism by many groups and individuals, including historians, political theorists, government officials, and others. These accusations also include arguments that the US has funded, trained, and harbored individuals or groups who engaged in terrorism.[1][2][3][4] The states in which the U.S. has allegedly conducted or supported terror operations include the Philippines, Cuba, Chile, Guatemala, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Japan, Nicaragua, and Vietnam, along with its historic internal operations against Native Americans.



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Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:43 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


You can call the British many horrible things...they certainly deserved them...but not "terrorists". They were the ones in power, the "dictators" if you will or "masters"--any other term you choose, however pejorative, is fine.

But "terrorist" denotes the Little Guy, the one harrassing those in power, not those in power themselves. Despite Webster's short definition, terrorists are the minority which preys upon the majority because their military might is less and terrorism instills fear and makes them seem more powerful, as well as depleting the other side.

Our forefathers also utilized guerilla warfare tactics:
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Guerrilla warfare is irregular warfare, conflicts in which a small group of combatants uses military tactics, like ambushes and raids, to harass a larger and less-mobile traditional army.

The term means "little war" in Spanish, and the word, guerrilla, has been used to describe the concept since the 18th century, and perhaps earlier. Guerrilla warfare describes a conflict between armed civilians and a regular army, either foreign or domestic, where the armed civilians (the "irregulars") use tactics such as ambush, sabotage, the element of surprise, and extraordinary mobility to strike a vulnerable target and withdraw almost immediately.

An early example of this came when General John Burgoyne, who, during the Saratoga campaign of the American War of Independence, noted that in proceeding through dense woodland:
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‘The enemy is infinitely inferior to the King’s Troop in open space, and hardy combat, is well fitted by disposition and practice, for the stratagems of enterprises of Little War...upon the same principle must be a constant rule, in or near woods to place advanced sentries, where they may have a tree or some other defence to prevent their being taken off by a single marksman.'

Wikipedia

As to the rest, RivKaneZit, your pubescent mentality merely shows you to be a


Wulf gets picked on partly because he has mirrored you, your sickpuppets and Crappy in the past. He seems to be somewhat more reasonable these days, but one's past is ot easily forgotten. It's possible that if he goes on the way he is, he will be treated differently, but he's got an awful lot of ground to make up for. His dream that he'll change minds, however, is mrely more of the "heroic" fantasy in which he indulges, because he doesn't argue reality, make points he can back up, and because he plays games, rather than engaging in reasonable discourse.

You, on the other hand, rarely have anything to contribute except your own ugliness, in its various incarnations. Go make an obscene phone call, little pubescent one.


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Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Wulfie, the founders of this nation WERE terrorists, in the strictest sense. They most certainly weren't "American patriots", because there was no country yet for them to be patriotic towards, just a loose affiliation of random colonies.

Your lack of knowledge of your own country's history is breathtaking.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:59 AM

BYTEMITE


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But "terrorist" denotes the Little Guy, the one harrassing those in power, not those in power themselves. Despite Webster's short definition, terrorists are the minority which preys upon the majority because their military might is less and terrorism instills fear and makes them seem more powerful, as well as depleting the other side.



Not really. You can't quote a dictionary definition, use the dictionary definition to make a point, then say that the dictionary definition is inaccurate. It undermines your own argument. Guerrilla warfare is a form of terrorism, but terrorism is not guerrilla warfare. Square is a rectangle, rectangle is not a square. Terrorism is a larger category, with different forms and types of terrorism falling under the umbrella.

Terrorism is a policy of trying to get your way through fear-mongering, intimidation, harassment, and terrorizing tactics. Hence the name. Most of us imagine that the Little Guys, as you say, are the terrorists, but this does not mean that the Big Guys don't engage in practices that meet the definition of terrorism.

The fact that terrorist has become synonymous with Freedom Fighter is unfortunate. I agree with you, though, that the American revolutionaries practiced terrorism. But then, so did the English crown, and if the Revolutionary War was never fought, there's a good chance I wouldn't be here.

Anyway, you'll be hard pressed to find any side of a war that doesn't practice terrorism. As such, the word terrorism means absolutely nothing to me, though suicide bombing, innocent casualties, and authoritarianism definitely do.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:04 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Kwick, and Niki, illustrate my point about minds who are chained by nothing more than rope.

They are broken, believing all that they have been forced to. They eat the "peanuts" tossed to them by the likes of MSN, the NAACP, the Brady Campaign etc.

If they were ever able to think beyond the box they have voluntarily placed themselves in... they might be able to snap the rope.

But it takes time, and gentleness to teach.

It may seem Im too nice.

But faith, hope... these are more than words to me.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:16 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I didn't intend to say the dictionary definition was "inaccurate". I was trying to say, via "short", that it wasn't a wide enough definition.

Looking around, I see you could define the British as using terrorism, which is also defined as "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons." I stand corrected. But I don't think in the common vernacular it would be they who were considered the terrorists.

Dictionary.com:
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1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.

2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.

3. a member of a political group aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.

Word IQ does it best, from how I see it:
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Terrorism refers to the use of violence for the purpose of achieving a political, religious, or ideological goal. The targets of terrorist acts can be government officials, military personnel, people serving the interests of governments, or civilians. Acts of terror against military targets tend to blend into a strategy of guerrilla warfare. However, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Random violence against civilians (noncombatants) is the type of action most widely condemned as "terrorism."
I meant no offense by saying so, either, merely trying to clarify that, by their actions, the founding fathers could be and were seen by the "authorities", the British, as terrorists. There's nothing wrong with that given, as he said, who is a terrorist and who is a freedom fighter is determined by the winner. The GOALS of the acts are another matter entirely--which does not mean the end justifies the means, just that I don't hold it against our founding fathers that they used the means they did to fight an oppressive power.


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Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:26 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Kwick, and Niki, illustrate my point about minds who are chained by nothing more than rope.

They are broken, believing all that they have been forced to. They eat the "peanuts" tossed to them by the likes of MSN, the NAACP, the Brady Campaign etc.



How do you figure? "Broken"? Really? Because I can admit that what the founders of this nation did was an illegal revolution which made them outlaws and terrorists, and that they reached a point where they decided that that was what they would be, if that's what it took. They had no illusions about what they were doing, and what the punishment would be if they failed. By all LEGAL definitions - of their time and ours - they WERE terrorists, guerillas, outlaws, rebels. It doesn't break my spirit in this country to admit that, and it doesn't dampen my enthusiasm for the Constitution, either.

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If they were ever able to think beyond the box they have voluntarily placed themselves in... they might be able to snap the rope.



That rope is around your neck, son. You've just put yourself in yet another box, trying to play the "Patriots vs. Terrorists" game. You have never been able to figure out how one can be a patriot AND a terrorist, have you? You've never been able to look objectively at someone like Osama bin Laden and say, "Okay, I hate his methods, but I understand why his people view him as a patriot and a freedom fighter." A person CAN BE a terrorist to one group and a hero to another.

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But it takes time, and gentleness to teach.



You'll never be a teacher. You fail at teaching.

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It may seem Im too nice.



Nobody ever accused you of that. Nobody ever accused ME of that, either. I'm not too nice to tell you that you really should look up the word "apostrophe", and figure out where, when, and how to use it. It's not exactly a "good catch", like you told RiverDancer, when you do it 99.9% of the time. It's a learning disability.

And I'm trying to be gentle in teaching you. ;)

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But faith, hope... these are more than words to me.



Yes, of course they are. Faith is also a noun, and hope is also a verb. Much more than just words...

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:27 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"Kwick, and Niki, illustrate my point about minds who are chained by nothing more than rope."

Hello Wulf,

You take a man. You sear his flesh. You contaminate the wound. You tie him agonizingly to a rail and parade him for mockery. You seize his private property. You oust his family from their homes.

Call the people who did this patriots. Doubtless they were, if patriotic feeling towards their colonial homeland is the guide of that word. But why then do you refuse to see them as terrorists? The evidence is plain and abundant.

Whose mind is chained?

Let go of the fantasy yearning that makes the heroic tales of history sound so sweet. Realize that your heroes and revolutionaries waded through the muck, and most were vile or despicable at one time or another. Great men with great flaws that you should desire to avoid greatly. Don't idolize them. Don't aspire to be them. Don't hold them up and dream... Unless you dream of being better. You can't learn from the past if you refuse to see it for what it was.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:27 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, bullcrap Wulf. You play games. You lie, you refuse to admit when you're wrong, and you continually put up fantasies in lieu of reality.

I'm certainly not "broken", that's more of your gamesmanship. You need to see yourself as righteous, as I said before, as somehow "greater than" those who disagree with you. Your attempts at arrogance by calling people childish and saying you're trying to change minds is more gamesmanship and we know it.

You are by far the one who believes what you're told. I check facts about the things I hear/read; you don't. You never present facts, only your opinions STATED as fact.

We actually DO think beyond the box; we question, we research. You question nothing you’re told by FauxNews, and what’s even worse, you reject FACTS (such as the rich v. poor thing) by dismissing them as propaganda/ As others said, whether I COPIED (as opposed to plagerized, and which I did not) a news story or not has nothing to do with the facts being accurate...but you can’t face that, so you get stuck on the insistence that I spouted what I heard. It’s not true, but YOU DO spout what you hear, never bothering to check it out for accuracy, and post it as if it’s some gawd-given truth.

WE disagree with the things we think are wrong, whichever party represents them; you tow the line for all the world like a caricature of a high RWA, so transparent it’s impossible NOT to call you one. The BOX you’ve put yourself in is obvious; don’t question, just repeat.

Note that you’re doing it again. Playing “holier than thou” rather than debating the issue itself: Whether the founding fathers were terrorists or not. This is your pattern; once refuted, you take cover behind personal insults and self-righteousness, attempting to turn the topic and keep people from noticing that you left the issue itself way behind, simply because you have no comeback and nothing to say of substance.

And the saddest thing of all is that you do it merely to get attention; you’re not here to discuss any issues, the title of this sums it up precisely: “Let’s have some fun”. This is your idea of fun, but it’s not amusing, sorry. There are people here who actually want to talk about what’s going on in the world; you are not one of them, by any stretch of the imagination.


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Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Oh, and the founders most certainly used terrorist acts to fight the British. They used their amazingly accurate (for the time) Kentucky rifles to snipe British officers, very much a no-no in the rules of battle of the day, and they used guerilla hit-and-run tactics and ambushes to overcome their enemies' numerical advantages. To say that Washington and his men fought with "honor" and "integrity" is to completely redefine those words, until they mean things like "whatever it takes to win" and "there's no such thing as a dirty fight."

Only an utter and complete moron would claim otherwise.

That said, I'm *GLAD* Washington and his men fought that way, but it wasn't the "honorable" way to fight in that day. It was viewed as uncivilized.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:38 AM

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Actually Nix, the title was meant to convey my thoughts on whom, and how, certain folks would respond.

And, you didn't fail to dissapoint.

I could have titled it "THIS is PROPOGANDA at its most obvious"...

But, why bother?

You guys have shown that, proven that.

Why do the work, when you can do it for me?


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Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:Poor baby, you don't even get it, do you? The revlutionaries WERE terrorists...THEY were the ones who began the concept of guerilla tactics, which helped discobobulate the way wars had been done and gave us an edge.

Of COURSE they were terrorists; just as you and your "buddies" would be if yuu caused the revolution you so love to threaten. Shees.



" Terrorists terrorize civilians. Revolutionaries fight standing armies. Looks like Commie dink Niki still hasn't learned her U.S. history. Which only figures.....






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Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:Poor baby, you don't even get it, do you? The revlutionaries WERE terrorists...THEY were the ones who began the concept of guerilla tactics, which helped discobobulate the way wars had been done and gave us an edge.

Of COURSE they were terrorists; just as you and your "buddies" would be if yuu caused the revolution you so love to threaten. Shees.



" Terrorists terrorize civilians. Revolutionaries fight standing armies. Looks like Commie dink Niki still hasn't learned her U.S. history. Which only figures.....




Of course, by YOUR definition, Al Qaeda and the Taliban are now "revolutionaries", not terrorists, since they're now fighting a standing army (ours) that happens to be standing on their land...

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KWICKO

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Actually Nix, the title was meant to convey my thoughts on whom, and how, certain folks would respond.

And, you didn't fail to dissapoint.

I could have titled it "THIS is PROPOGANDA at its most obvious"...

But, why bother?

You guys have shown that, proven that.

Why do the work, when you can do it for me?





Of course, it should also be noted that YOU reacted exactly as predicted, too, Wulfie.

But it figures that you'd want someone else to do all your work for you. You probably think we "owe" you that... ;)

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:08 PM

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Of course, by YOUR definition, Al Qaeda and the Taliban are now "revolutionaries", not terrorists, since they're now fighting a standing army (ours) that happens to be standing on their land...



Civilian hostages killed by the Taliban would disagree.....as would countless thousands who died or were tortured by your brethren, your "revolutionaries"






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Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:45 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Of course, by YOUR definition, Al Qaeda and the Taliban are now "revolutionaries", not terrorists, since they're now fighting a standing army (ours) that happens to be standing on their land...



Civilian hostages killed by the Taliban would disagree.....as would countless thousands who died or were tortured by your brethren, your "revolutionaries"




Civilians killed by OUR forces would likely consider us terrorists, too.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:46 PM

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Absolutely fuckin amazing, isn't it? "My country can do no wrong", with their dying breath.

There's nothing wrong with admitting our forefathers used terrorist tactics or guerilla warfare...they wouldn't have won otherwise, and the British were oppressing them.

But it's utterly inconceivable to even admit that, and that's what blows my mind. Of COURSE U.S. history sees it differently, and teaches chldren differently. That's where you get your "information", and yu're so indoctrinated you can't see the facts and accept them, love your country nonetheless, honor the Founding Fathers for what they did, and move on. THAT's the box, Wulf; believing the propaganda our educational system and political system feed you (not to mention FauxNews) without questioning it, then defending it in the face of facts to the contrary. That's a big, heavy, strong box, and you'll never even try to break free and think for yourself. Thinking for yourself, what a concept!

By the way, we paid the Contras: Freedom fighters or insurgents? We backed the Northern Alliance against the Russians; freedom fighters or terrorists? There are so many others...

It's semantics is all it is. Whichever side one is on, it's the other guy who is the "terrorist" and you're the "patriot". But they're so incredibly scared to death there might be even the slightest stain on the flag, that they joy in denying our "Founding Fathers' were anything but lilly white, pure and good, and they go attacking instead.

Sometimes, just sometimes, it gets to me how hard it is to have a real conversation here...there's just so much noise and the noise tries so hard to drown out anyone else trying to communicate. It makes me weary.

Oh, well, onward...


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Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:50 PM

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Quote:

as would countless thousands who died or were tortured by your brethren, your "revolutionaries"
They're your brethren too, whether you like it or not, because I'm an American, and those are my "brethren". The difference is I can SEE my country, flaws and all, and at least try to make it better, rather than wrapping myself in the flag and calling anyone who MIGHT see it's flaws a "commie".

How strange; this forum is chock FULL of "US did this atrocity", "US conspired to do that atrocity", yet complete and total denial that US killed, tortured or otherwise harmed anyone? That's a bit much, don't you think?


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Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:50 PM

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We don't target civilians. Al Qaeda does.

We go far out of our way, even laying down our own lives, to protect civilians.

That you 2 douche bags don't see that, is fucking amazing.







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Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:53 PM

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No, Niki, there's no equivalence to what the Taliban does, what we're doing NOW or what our founders did to the British Red Coats .

None.

You're just flat out bat shit delusional.

Period.




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Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:25 PM

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Terrorism is simply a tactic used for one group to gain an advantage against another. It's often, but not always the tactic used by the less armed underdogs in any squirmish, because it tends to be effective without great military force.

It's been used by many groups throughout history, many of whom since went on to have mainstream political acceptance. India, Israel, South African forces all used terrorist tactics prior to coming to power.

Revolutions, by their very nature, tend to contain some pretty horrible stuff, because generally that's what happens with armed uprisings. How you see a revolution depends on which side you are on - whether the armed masses are coming at YOU or you are the target.

That's why "War on Terror" was so utterly ridiculously , apart from being kind of weirdly phrased. Ending terrorism or ending terror for that matter was never going to happen. One is a tactic and the other an emotion.

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:32 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
We don't target civilians. Al Qaeda does.



We do, and we have. Specifically. Dresden is one example. Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki are others.

And in Afghanistan, as has been noted, if there is one suspected Al Qaeda operative in a building with 34 innocent people in it, 35 people are going to die that day by our Predator drone strikes. We've done it, and we've done it DELIBERATELY. You're a fucking moron to believe otherwise. There's not even a debate about whether we've ever done such things; you CAN debate about whether or not it was worth doing those things.




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Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:35 PM

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We do, and we have. Specifically. Dresden is one example. Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki are others.


Better check the map again, brainless. Those cities aren't in Afghanistan.

Stick to the topic being discussed, moron. I know, it's a tall order to ask, but.... naw.. never mind. You're not up to it. I should have known.




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Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:38 PM

NIKI2

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Thank you Magons, I really appreciate the voice of sanity.

Did I ever compare us to the Taliban, by the way? That's apples and oranges..."some" terroris versus "a lot of" terrorism, "horrific forms" of terrorism. There are gradients of everything. I'm not comparing, I'm saying our forefathers DID terrorist things and WERE terrorists by definition. They were also freedom fighters; just as Magons said,
Quote:

It's been used by many groups throughout history, many of whom since went on to have mainstream political acceptance.
and
Quote:

Revolutions, by their very nature, tend to contain some pretty horrible stuff, because generally that's what happens with armed uprisings.
I realize neither of you can admit the truth and as such are forced to resort to out-of-proportion, irrelevant arguments and personal insults. I just find it sad, that's all.

As I said, it's perfectly acceptable to see our forefathers as using whatever means they could to get free of the British. They had nothing like the military might of the Brits, so they used some of the tactics which gave them the advantage.

I won't hide my head in the sand and insist they were lilly white against all facts, and call any who try to argue those facts "commie", etc. Putting blinkers on and spouting the "patriotism" you learned in school is living in the box propaganda built for you; learning the facts, being willing to acknowledge them while at the same time recognizing the good those unpleasant things brought about for my country, THAT's thinking for yourself.


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Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:42 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

We do, and we have. Specifically. Dresden is one example. Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki are others.


Better check the map again, brainless. Those cities aren't in Afghanistan.



Since when was the topic of this thread Afghanistan? You utter fucking dolt - it was about the founding fathers! Did you forget already? Man, that meth is powerful stuff, huh? Put down the crack-pipe, tiny. Your tooth is falling out!

Quote:


Stick to the topic being discussed, moron. I know, it's a tall order to ask, but.... naw.. never mind. You're not up to it. I should have known.




YOU claimed that "we don't target civilians". I showed you that we have, and we do. Historically, we have, and today, we still do. You can claim all you want that it never happened, but you're just digging yourself a deeper hole and showing yourself up to be the fucking moron we all know you to be.

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Good lord, Crappy, he didn't say they did. We're not arguing Afghanistan versus...something...the point is that America has killed innocent civilians.

You made the statement that we don't kill civilians. He showed you wrong, and actually, IN Afghanistan we've done so and are doing so, just on a smaller scale than those he noted. If you haven't heard the complaints by Afghans and the Afghan government about our killing civilians, you're not listening.

That's not about terrorism, that's simply a counter to your saying 'we don't kill civilians'. It's DIRECTLY on point to your remark, has nothing to do with terrorism. Do you understand?

Ooops, sorry Mike...you got there before me. Good reminder to go have dinner and get outta here. Thanx.


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Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:56 PM

NIKI2

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THAT's your response?! Wow...how erudite of you, how on point, how...oh, wait:
Quote:

Stick to the topic being discussed, moron. I know, it's a tall order to ask, but.... naw.. never mind. You're not up to it. I should have known.
. Right.

I haven't watched that video, nor many of the others you or Wulf put up. I assume it's derrogatory, but it's absolutely hysterical that you chose THAT as your response, given your above quote.


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Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:06 PM

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Oh, is that you and Kaney's wedding video again? You two do make such a cute couple. I knew you liked 'em young, but isn't marrying a 14 year-old boy pushing things a little?




Dance, monkey! Dance!

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Originally posted by Niki2:
THAT's your response?! Wow...how erudite of you, how on point, how...oh, wait:
Quote:

Stick to the topic being discussed, moron. I know, it's a tall order to ask, but.... naw.. never mind. You're not up to it. I should have known.
. Right.

I haven't watched that video, nor many of the others you or Wulf put up. I assume it's derrogatory, but it's absolutely hysterical that you chose THAT as your response, given your above quote.




Yup, that's Rappy, all right. Always on topic, even if he can't remember what the topic was!

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:30 PM

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*sigh*


The lamer generation has no appreciation for classic SNL


First, the " Jane, you ignorant slut " reference goes RIGHT over your head ( well, Anthony's head, at least ) , and now this....








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Oh, come ON! Posting "Lord and Lady Douchebag" and referring to Mike and I as them is A JOKE? Give me a break! That's a transparent effort to slide out from under a snark if ever there was one!

So you don't want to deal iwth the topic...okay, but don't complain about anyone else doing the same, yes?


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