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Obama continues Bush abuses

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Sunday, August 1, 2010 07:52
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Saturday, July 31, 2010 8:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Damn them to hell. Doesn't matter that Dumbya started them, continuing them is unconscionable!
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In the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Centre, Republican President George W. Bush launched illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Bush enacted "anti-terrorism" policies under which people could be labelled "terror suspects" without evidence and abducted, jailed and tortured in secret.

"Extraordinary rendition" involves taking people on undocumented CIA flights either to black sites — a worldwide network of secret CIA jails — or to the torture chambers of US-allied dictatorships.

Bush's US Patriot Act allowed for spying on US citizens without the oversight previously required by law.

Barack Obama's landslide 2008 election victory reflected a rejection by US voters of the Bush administration's wars and human rights abuses. Unfortunately, Obama's Democrat administration is continuing many of the policies of its predecessor.

Like the Bush regime, the Obama administration continues to operate secret prisons around the world, in which detainees are tortured and the International Committee for the Red Cross denied access.

Obama has resisted demands for investigations into the criminal activities of the previous government. The justice department has blocked lawsuits that demand release of evidence or seek civil penalties against US officials involved in human rights abuses.

Under Obama, the US continues to detain people indefinitely on terrorism allegations, without testing the allegations in court. Innocent people are still held in the US military-run prison camp at Guantanamo Bay (Cuban territory that the US illegally occupies), despite his post-election promise to close the jail.

The US jail at Bagram airbase in occupied Afghanistan — described as worse than Guantanamo Bay by prisoners who have been detained in both — is being expanded.

In 2008, the US Supreme Court ordered 33 out of 39 Guantanamo Bay detainees who brought their cases before court to be released because that there was no evidence to justify the accusations against them. Hundreds more have been released without charge and returned to their countries of origin after years of brutal torture.

Some have died in suspicious circumstances in custody. Some bodies returned to families had been mutilated to make an independent autopsy impossible.

Obama is using the same legal pretext that was used by the Bush administration to maintain the camp — the authorisation for use of military force passed by Congress one week after the September 11, 2001 attacks. The Obama administration maintains this position despite a 2006 Supreme Court ruling (Hamdan v Rumsfeld) that there is nothing in the authorisation allowing the president to ignore an individual's constitutional right of due process.

Obama is keeping Guantanamo operating while attempting to set up a similar military prison on US soil. This new military prison in Thomson, Illinois, is proposed to hold those Guantanamo detainees who are not released to their home countries or to other countries.

They will either be jailed there indefinitely or tried before deeply flawed military tribunals. Newly captured war-on-terror "suspects" will also be held there.

However, these plans are opposed not only by human rights supporters but by conservative politicians who claim that it would be a threat to US security for any former Guantanamo detainee to set foot on US soil, even to be imprisoned.

The murky world of "extraordinary rendition", and the continuity between the policies of Bush and Obama, is highlighted by the case of Dr Aafia Siddiqui, a neuroscientist and US citizen of Pakistani origin. Siddiqui disappeared from Karachi in 2003 with her three young children. Pakistani newspapers reported that she had been arrested, with her children, for having terrorist links.

However, from 2004, US officials began claiming that she was not in their custody but was wanted for providing logistical support to al-Qaeda. She was accused of, among other crimes, smuggling diamonds in Liberia to raise funds for al-Qaeda in June 2001. However, in June 2001 she was in Boston running a play group.

In 2005, former Bagram detainees reported that there was a female prisoner being held in the jail, and that they had heard her being tortured. US officials denied any woman was being held in Bagram. On July 7, 2008, British journalist Yvonne Ridley held a press conference claiming that Siddiqui was indeed held in Bagram.

On August 4, 2008, US officials admitted that she was in US custody in Afghanistan. However, they said she was arrested by Afghan police on July 17 carrying jars of chemicals and documents with titles like "mass casualty attacks" and "how to make a dirty bomb".

US authorities said that on July 18, while she was in custody, she grabbed the rifle of one of her US captors and attempted to kill them all. She was shot twice but survived.

It was for this alleged attempted murder that she was extradited to the US and went to trial on January 19. She was not charged with any offences related to the allegations made against her at the time of her disappearance. Neither was she charged over the chemicals and documents she was allegedly in possession of. These materials have never been produced.

On February 3, she was convicted of attempted murder, despite FBI experts testifying that the rifle she was alleged to have grabbed did not have her fingerprints on it and showed no evidence of being fired.

Siddiqui said she was held in Bagram from 2003 and tortured and raped. Her two youngest children have disappeared.

Obama's budget for the fiscal year 2011 calls for an extra $33 billion in funding for his escalating wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and the Middle East. The US accounts for half of the world's total military spending. The combined military budgets of China and Russia are equal to only10% of US military spending, which is almost $1.5 trillion.




Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:09 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Obama lost much of my respect very quickly. Just before he took office, he voted to let illegal wiretappers off the hook. And that's been kind of the theme since. Voters wanted a U-turn, and instead they got a lane-change.

--Anthony



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Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Very good analogy, Anthony; that's exactly how I feel.


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:12 PM

RIVERLOVE


Aw gee, the Liberals are all upset that Obama hasn't surrendered our country to Al Qaida yet. Niki thinks she will be safe because even crazed foaming-at-the-mouth terrorist killers will leave her alone out of respect for her position as Sacred Ugly White-Haired Buffalo Woman, but fortunately they won't.

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Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:14 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello River,

I'm fairly certain that neither of the opinions presented in your post resemble any kind of reality about liberals or Niki.

--Anthony



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Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:22 PM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello River,

I'm fairly certain that neither of the opinions presented in your post resemble any kind of reality about liberals or Niki.

--Anthony


And I'm fairly certain that you had me at Hello.

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Saturday, July 31, 2010 4:03 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Aw gee, the Liberals are all upset that Obama hasn't surrendered our country to Al Qaida yet. Niki thinks she will be safe because even crazed foaming-at-the-mouth terrorist killers will leave her alone out of respect for her position as Sacred Ugly White-Haired Buffalo Woman, but fortunately they won't.



Yes, we've noticed you won't leave her alone.

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Saturday, July 31, 2010 4:32 PM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Aw gee, the Liberals are all upset that Obama hasn't surrendered our country to Al Qaida yet. Niki thinks she will be safe because even crazed foaming-at-the-mouth terrorist killers will leave her alone out of respect for her position as Sacred Ugly White-Haired Buffalo Woman, but fortunately they won't.



Yes, we've noticed you won't leave her alone.


I may be hot for the Ugly White-Haired Buffalo Woman, but I've never been in Al Qaida. Just wanted to make that clear for ya Bozo.

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Saturday, July 31, 2010 4:44 PM

RIVERLOVE


And back on topic, so sorry, really sorry that you Obama slobberers have to endure the painful reality of Obama continuing to do things that Bush did. Ooooh, how that must just sting the shit out of you Libtards. I probably can't even imagine how much, but I'll try.

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 7:33 AM

KANEMAN


They condemn Bush and praise Barry for doing the same thing. Still bringing up the ghost that is Bush. I do believe liberalism is a mental disorder and it festers in the minds of the unwashed, irresponsible, and foolish. They take no responsibility for this disaster of a PREZ. I can not wait to hear how they will spin the coming liberal bloodbath...Will they recognize the political change in Nov. as a mandate from the people? Probably not.

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 7:42 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, since you referenced it, Anthony, I had to bother Reading RivKaneZit's post. (Shame on you!) All I can say, as usual, is

But you made a good point, Mike, that hadn't occurred to me (mostly because I ignore them, knowing it will inevitably be a totally stupid snark at me, Dems, libs, etc. and have nothing to do with the topic at hand). I noticed one of Riv, Kane or Zit almost invariably responds to my posts...yet another sign they are either all one person or of a hive mind.

Poor little guy, he REALLY needs to get out and play with the other kids, get some sun, something. It's a shame to have him stuck inside hanging around here trying to play with the big guys but having nothing to say. Too bad.

Thank you; I hadn't noticed that because I rarely read their posts, but thinking back about how often I skim past theirs coming right on the heels of mine, it's interesting.

What was it one or the other of the hive minds keeps saying about me attacking those who disagree with me (or was it Wulf or Crappy)? Seems as if on his side, it's not even just that I disagree with him, but simply that I EXIST. Doubly sad. But hell, it probably keeps him out of getting into worse trouble, so I guess I'm doing a service...just think how many cats and dogs and other helpless creatures I've saved from torture by keeping his attention?


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Sunday, August 1, 2010 7:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, I just noticed one of his other "incarnations" posts...made me giggle something fierce. Note how he completely ignores that I put up the post and swore and condemned Obama for continuing the abuses...yet in his fevered little young mind, that was PRAISING Obama.

Dear me, he really does need help. Maybe in reading comprehension too? Tsk, tsk, his teachers are doing a lousey job; I thought they taught English in high school...

Does he somehow think his rants, in one personna or another, bother me? Poor little misguided twerp. By 14, don't you think they notice girls? Or is he unable to deal with them...that might be part of the reason, come to think of it. If the girls in school reject and mock him, this is a place he can let that frustration out by picking on a woman, rather than pulling the pigtails of the girls or something. In which case, again I've done the world a service. I'm feeling better and better about this all the time!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Sunday, August 1, 2010 7:46 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Link to original article.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/43376

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 7:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm sorry, Geezer, should I have posted the link? No disrespect intended. As I've said, I've given up posting links on most stuff that people already know something about or, in this case, that nobody would argue with. I only post links to things that might be controversial anymore, so they can go there and decide for themselves. I know the article is real slanted, but I figured it wouldn't matter, since everything in it is fact as far as I know. Sorry about that, and yes, there's MUCH much more there, if anyone's interested.


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Sunday, August 1, 2010 7:52 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Oh, I just noticed one of his other "incarnations" posts...made me giggle something fierce. Note how he completely ignores that I put up the post and swore and condemned Obama for continuing the abuses...yet in his fevered little young mind, that was PRAISING Obama.

Dear me, he really does need help. Maybe in reading comprehension too? Tsk, tsk, his teachers are doing a lousey job; I thought they taught English in high school...

Does he somehow think his rants, in one personna or another, bother me? Poor little misguided twerp. By 14, don't you think they notice girls? Or is he unable to deal with them...that might be part of the reason, come to think of it. If the girls in school reject and mock him, this is a place he can let that frustration out by picking on a woman, rather than pulling the pigtails of the girls or something. In which case, again I've done the world a service. I'm feeling better and better about this all the time!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off






You are not ALL Liberals....I never mentioned you at all...seems you are losing your ability to comprehend.

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