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D'OH!! Ground Zero Non-Mosque run by FBI agent!

POSTED BY: KWICKO
UPDATED: Monday, August 23, 2010 19:49
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Friday, August 20, 2010 4:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008200055


Quote:

According to a report by Yahoo! News’ John Cook, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal -- the second-largest shareholder of Fox News’ parent company News Corp. -- has deep funding ties to Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the “principal planner” of the Islamic community center in lower Manhattan.

You’d think that alone would give pause to the screeching heads on Fox News that repeatedly try to tie Rauf “by way of lengthy and often confusing chains of causation and association” to terrorism.





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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
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Friday, August 20, 2010 4:25 PM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


Jesus Christ Glenn, keep up! You're supposed to be following that money! Did your flashlight burn out? Or did you not have a helpful scarecrow telling you which fork to take?


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Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:01 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Seems some don't understand how stocks work. Anyone can own shares of stock. So what ?

Oh, and it proves that Saudi Arabia is funding the victory ( for Allah ) mosque at Ground Zero.

Vindication, straight up.




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Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:37 AM

RIVERLOVE


This revelation will certainly mean that Saint Pelosi The Feeble-Minded and her leather-clad auto de fe inquisitors with facial scars will soon face Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, O'Reilly, Greta, Palin, Shep, Huckabee and others at Fox in a courtroom soon. I cannot wait!....The tv event of a lifetime!! Let the battle cry go out..."Free The Fox 47!!!" I'm buying extra popcorn!

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Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:54 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/middle-east/123459-us-to-sell-saudi-a
rabia-arms-worth-60bn-in-biggest-deal.html


Hello,

I imagine that the Saudi Arabians, one of our allies in the Middle East, to whom we sell vast amounts of war materiel, own many things in the U.S.

That one of them has invested in both Fox News and a Community Center is just humorous irony.

--Anthony

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Saturday, August 21, 2010 6:43 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Seems some don't understand how stocks work. Anyone can own shares of stock. So what ?

Oh, and it proves that Saudi Arabia is funding the victory ( for Allah ) mosque at Ground Zero.

Vindication, straight up.






Bingo!!! It is amazing that people talk about companies as if they are some giant singular entity, seemingly not realizing they are owned by millions of people. And anyone can buy a share. To make matters worse some idiots then pick out a share holder and yell....Look, see, I told you. The only thing I got from that is... that guy sure knows how and where to invest his money.

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Saturday, August 21, 2010 7:20 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


This is funnier than hell. The cry has gone up to investigate who is behind the funding of the COMMUNITY CENTER; a company funding both Fox and the COMMUNITY CENTER has been exposed, and still the cry is that it's "bad guys" behind it. The self-delusion of RWAs is the most amazing thing to watch unfold.

Companies CHOOSE in what to invest. There's been all kinds of "exposure" about which companies invested in BP and what supposed "research" companies BP invested in and how that shows their evil intent...but let it be someone from a Muslim country (even a supposed ally), and damn, it has nothing to do with anything but stocks!

Fascinating. Sad, but fascinating.

I'll keep saying it, even tho' I'm sure it won't get through. It is a COMMUNITY CENTER, planned in the hope of building bridges, and has nothing to do with "victory"...except in the fact that the terrorists will unquestionably laugh their heads off and declare victory over us because they made us fear even a BENIGN representation of Muslim religion. Man, is this no doubt making one hell of a propaganda point for them: "See, they hate Muslims", and they can chortle that they've done exactly what they wanted; terrorized us to the point where we can't see clearly.


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Saturday, August 21, 2010 1:03 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Seems some don't understand how stocks work. Anyone can own shares of stock. So what ?

Oh, and it proves that Saudi Arabia is funding the victory ( for Allah ) mosque at Ground Zero.

Vindication, straight up.



'Course, it also proves that Saudi Arabia is funding the victory (for Allah) #1 news channel in the nation, right?

Vindication, indeed.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:30 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

'Course, it also proves that Saudi Arabia is funding the victory (for Allah) #1 news channel in the nation, right?

Vindication, indeed.




Vindication ? How so ? You're still not getting the concept of owning stock in a company. People invest in a company where they think they can grow their money.

Just because Saudis, or anyone else, is making $$ off of FOX and its fantastic ratings, doesn't mean they're influencing what goes on at the network.

It's kinda like how Michael Moore owns/owned Halliburton stock, as well as other corporations which are part of the military industrial complex. I doubt very much he SUPPORTS them, and what they do, but he does make $$ off of their success.



( And your " I know you are.. " response makes no sense, at all. Fox isn't in any way a symbol of Islamic triumph over the rest of the world. If anything, it's the most vocal AGAINST Islamic jihaddists whack jobs. )





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Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:43 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I have yet to see any indication that Fox News is more vocal against Islamist extremists. If you mean Fox News is most willing to USE negatives about Islam, Muslims and anyone else they don't like, you're certainly right. If you mean Fox News is most willing to misstate, mischaracterize and actually LIE in order to foster their political agenda and cause dissension when it comes to Islam and Muslims, you're certainly right. But being vocal against Islamist extremists? I've seen it all over the MSM, including cable and MSNBC. On the other hand, I have seen far more effort to understand what is behind terrorism and to separate Islam and Muslims from those who truly ARE terrorists.


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Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:57 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

I have yet to see any indication that Fox News is more vocal against Islamist extremists. If you mean Fox News is most willing to USE negatives about Islam, Muslims and anyone else they don't like, you're certainly right. If you mean Fox News is most willing to misstate, mischaracterize and actually LIE in order to foster their political agenda and cause dissension when it comes to Islam and Muslims, you're certainly right. But being vocal against Islamist extremists? I've seen it all over the MSM, including cable and MSNBC. On the other hand, I have seen far more effort to understand what is behind terrorism and to separate Islam and Muslims from those who truly ARE terrorists.



Use negatives ? You mean actually tell the truth ? Yeah, FOX seems more willing than most to do that.

FOX has lied ? Cite your proof, please, or retract that charge.







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Sunday, August 22, 2010 7:32 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, Raptor, you shouldn't ask for proof of Fox News' lies. It's way too easy:
Quote:

This morning, Fox News featured a segment highlighting a right-wing report that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) attended an Islamic “madrassa” school as a 6-year-old child.
Fact:
Quote:

In his book Dreams Of My Father (p.142), Obama writes:

In Indonesia, I’d spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies....Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools...

NOT an "Islamic madrasss".
Quote:

...the Indonesian school Obama attended in Jakarta is a public school that is not and never has been a Madrassa.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200703200011 The Laura Ingraham Show, Monica Crowley falsely asserted that Malik Obama, Sen. Barack Obama's half brother, "went on the record to The Jerusalem Post, of all places, and said, 'Oh yeah, Obama's got a really solid Muslim background.' " (Fact: Hume's claim that Malik Obama told the Post that Sen. Obama had a "Muslim background" is false. Indeed, as ABC News senior national correspondent Jake Tapper reported, according to The Jerusalem Post, Malik Obama did not speak directly with the Post but, rather, the article was referring to an interview Malik Obama gave to Israel's Army Radio. Moreover, Tapper wrote that "nowhere in [the interview] does Malik expressly say anything about Obama having a Muslim background," adding, "Malik did not say that or come close to saying that.").

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/19/fox-obama-madrassa/
Quote:

Fox & Friends falsely claimed that congressional Democrats are proposing to raise taxes "only in Republican red states." In fact, the year-old proposal discussed on Fox & Friends would lower taxes on areas with a high cost of living, regardless of how they vote, and would include areas represented by Republicans.
http://digg.com/politics/Fox_lies_Dems_are_proposing_to_raise_taxes_on
ly_in_red_state


Let’s try the Iraq War, which Fox pushed hard and long with repeated fear-inducing lies:
Quote:

March 14: On The Fox Report anchor Shepard Smith reports that Saddam is planning to use flood water as a weapon by blowing up dams and causing severe flood damage. (This was totally untrue.)

March 19: Fox anchor Shepard Smith reports that Iraqis are planning to detonate large stores of napalm buried deep below the earth to scorch coalition forces. (There was no basis for this and it was false)

March 23: The network begins 2 days of unequivocal assertions that a 100-acre facility discovered by coalition forces at An Najaf is a chemical weapons plant. (Weeks later is it briefly conceded that the chemicals definitively detected at the facility were pesticides.)

April 7: Repeated ominous footage of barrels buried in a below-ground shed near Karbala. The implication is that the Iraqi landscape is replete with these types of shelters, all of them brimming with evidence of chemical weapons. (They were agricultural chemicals as well.)

May 16: Special Report with Brit Hume. Muslims, citing Islam's ban of alcohol, are torching liquor stores and threatening their Christian owners. (Fact: Under Saddam's secular regime, Christian names were banned and schools were nationalized, but guns and alcohol were freely available; there was tolerance for Iraq's 1 million Catholic and Protestant Christians.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich8.html

How about some more? Try these lies put forth by Fox:
Quote:

1. There is a clause in a Democratic health bill that provides for death panels

2. Obama's education czar condoned statutory rape

3. 3-in-one lie. The VHA has a death book that 'promotes pulling the plug'. The Bush administration suspended its use. VHA doctors must direct patients to the book.

4. Terrorist fist jab - E.D. Hill apologized for reporting on how others 'in the media' had characterized the Obamas' gesture, when in fact she alone characterized it that way.

5. Obama's first annual budget four times larger than any of Bush's

6. The number of czars are growing under Obama and they have unchecked power

http://trulyskewed.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-argue-with-your-friend-
who.html


No doubt you won't like the sources, but prove that any of what is noted as a Fox lie was actually TRUE. If you can, which you cannot.

I would suggest not asking people to prove Fox News lies. I could have gone on and on, only I'm not willing to spend any more time on this just to show you how wrong you are.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Sunday, August 22, 2010 7:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


sorry, mediamadders is a wholly Left wing lie factory.

You lose.

You're splitting hairs here, and trying to paint lies which aren't lies, at all.




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Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Doesn't work, Raptor. The source is unimportant if the FACTS are true. Disprove any of those facts, or you have no argument. You challenged me, I answered your challenge. You can reject a SLANTED, partisan source any time, but facts are facts, and again, I challenge you in response to disprove any of what I posted.

There is no authority on the RIGHT which will cite Fox News' specific lies, and if you choose to reject everything otherwise, you are presenting an impossible task. Address the challenge directly, please, or dismiss the facts because of the source, which is the coward's way out.

And don't list me all of the times Obama or some Dem lied; if you want to site specific instances of MSNBC lying, that's fair, but before you do that, you need to prove Fox's statements are NOT lies, then we can move on.


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Sunday, August 22, 2010 4:55 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Not only do I reject your slanted sources, but I also reject their slanted, biased conclusions.






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Monday, August 23, 2010 6:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Then prove them wrong. Their "conclusin" is irrelevant; the facts are not.

So obviously you need to reject the sources without checking into the veracity of what they offer, which means you know on some level that Fox News DOES lie, but are afraid to confront that fact.

Okay, I accept that.


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Monday, August 23, 2010 8:31 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Oh, Raptor, you shouldn't ask for proof of Fox News' lies. It's way too easy:
Quote:

This morning, Fox News featured a segment highlighting a right-wing report that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) attended an Islamic “madrassa” school as a 6-year-old child.
Fact:
Quote:

In his book Dreams Of My Father (p.142), Obama writes:

In Indonesia, I’d spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies....Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools...

NOT an "Islamic madrasss".
Quote:

...the Indonesian school Obama attended in Jakarta is a public school that is not and never has been a Madrassa.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200703200011 The Laura Ingraham Show, Monica Crowley falsely asserted that Malik Obama, Sen. Barack Obama's half brother, "went on the record to The Jerusalem Post, of all places, and said, 'Oh yeah, Obama's got a really solid Muslim background.' " (Fact: Hume's claim that Malik Obama told the Post that Sen. Obama had a "Muslim background" is false. Indeed, as ABC News senior national correspondent Jake Tapper reported, according to The Jerusalem Post, Malik Obama did not speak directly with the Post but, rather, the article was referring to an interview Malik Obama gave to Israel's Army Radio. Moreover, Tapper wrote that "nowhere in [the interview] does Malik expressly say anything about Obama having a Muslim background," adding, "Malik did not say that or come close to saying that.").

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/19/fox-obama-madrassa/
Quote:

Fox & Friends falsely claimed that congressional Democrats are proposing to raise taxes "only in Republican red states." In fact, the year-old proposal discussed on Fox & Friends would lower taxes on areas with a high cost of living, regardless of how they vote, and would include areas represented by Republicans.
http://digg.com/politics/Fox_lies_Dems_are_proposing_to_raise_taxes_on
ly_in_red_state


Let’s try the Iraq War, which Fox pushed hard and long with repeated fear-inducing lies:
Quote:

March 14: On The Fox Report anchor Shepard Smith reports that Saddam is planning to use flood water as a weapon by blowing up dams and causing severe flood damage. (This was totally untrue.)

March 19: Fox anchor Shepard Smith reports that Iraqis are planning to detonate large stores of napalm buried deep below the earth to scorch coalition forces. (There was no basis for this and it was false)

March 23: The network begins 2 days of unequivocal assertions that a 100-acre facility discovered by coalition forces at An Najaf is a chemical weapons plant. (Weeks later is it briefly conceded that the chemicals definitively detected at the facility were pesticides.)

April 7: Repeated ominous footage of barrels buried in a below-ground shed near Karbala. The implication is that the Iraqi landscape is replete with these types of shelters, all of them brimming with evidence of chemical weapons. (They were agricultural chemicals as well.)

May 16: Special Report with Brit Hume. Muslims, citing Islam's ban of alcohol, are torching liquor stores and threatening their Christian owners. (Fact: Under Saddam's secular regime, Christian names were banned and schools were nationalized, but guns and alcohol were freely available; there was tolerance for Iraq's 1 million Catholic and Protestant Christians.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich8.html

How about some more? Try these lies put forth by Fox:
Quote:

1. There is a clause in a Democratic health bill that provides for death panels

2. Obama's education czar condoned statutory rape

3. 3-in-one lie. The VHA has a death book that 'promotes pulling the plug'. The Bush administration suspended its use. VHA doctors must direct patients to the book.

4. Terrorist fist jab - E.D. Hill apologized for reporting on how others 'in the media' had characterized the Obamas' gesture, when in fact she alone characterized it that way.

5. Obama's first annual budget four times larger than any of Bush's

6. The number of czars are growing under Obama and they have unchecked power

http://trulyskewed.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-argue-with-your-friend-
who.html


No doubt you won't like the sources, but prove that any of what is noted as a Fox lie was actually TRUE. If you can, which you cannot.

I would suggest not asking people to prove Fox News lies. I could have gone on and on, only I'm not willing to spend any more time on this just to show you how wrong you are.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off







Niki are you really using OBAMA's book to show FACT to refute what everyone else says? You are the kool-aid pourer....

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Monday, August 23, 2010 7:49 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Ground Zero iman is an FBI agent provocateur
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Imam+Feisal+Abdul+fbi+asset&a
q=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=27bbc7ac893a2f89


BTW jews and feds did 9/11, as they confessed on TV.






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