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Thursday, September 9, 2010 2:11 AM

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 2:15 AM

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Jongs - you're in FLA right? What are they saying down there? Do you believe this nutter will get to do his thing or will there be a few black and whites there to enforce some kind of "violation of ordinance X?"

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 2:24 AM

WISHIMAY


I read somewhere the other day he got kicked out of a church in Germany for wanting people to follow implicitly and then moved to Fl and started using brainwashing techniques to train and to recruit new members...Yeah, I'd buy that one!

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 2:43 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Jongs - you're in FLA right? What are they saying down there? Do you believe this nutter will get to do his thing or will there be a few black and whites there to enforce some kind of "violation of ordinance X?"



Can't speak for North Florida, but in So. Florida the vast majority of people are against it and embarrassed by it. Morning drive today on 105.9 had listeners calling in, and only one out of a dozen were for it.


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 2:51 AM

KANEMAN


It is just a book people...just a book...

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 3:04 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by kaneman:
It is just a book people...just a book...


Tell that to Eli...

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 8:32 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:


It is just a book people...just a book...


To a quarter of the world's population it's a little more than just a book. There's a sizeable Muslim population in and around Gainesville, and I'm sure they think it's more than just a book.

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 9:43 AM

OLDGUY

What Would Mal do ?


ah...the control that fear can wage..and here I am reading this among a firefly group?

I do agree that no one should burn another man's sacred things.

but don't tell me it's cause we should be fearful of retaliation. we are already at war with the very group that is in question and they are already killing our boys/girls.

It's the double mindedness of my own govt and military who DID burn bibles sent to Afganistan last year and nary a Fox talking head babe flicked her blonde locks over that one..but one no count po dunk preacher in Fla plans to flick his bic and all of a sudden we're afraid of armageddon?!

the guy shouldn't do it...our own military shouldn't have done it...but why are we afraid of islam and have no problem slapping christians around?

flame on boys n girls...I'll come back n read later..right now the old guy has to go load his evil guns for the mighty battle that is about to ensue !!

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:01 AM

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Frem, you’re not taking something into account when saying “they're NOT as innocent as they claim”. Most cults, especially Mormonism, are patriarchal. That gives the males the upper hand in the beginning. Then, when born and raised into such a culture, I don’t believe it’s fair to completely for how they behave or their beliefs. When you’re not the strong one in a society, you learn subtler methods with which to increase your power; the ones you mentioned are perfect examples. I guess it’s kind of like terrorists—when you can’t go directly up against the opposition because they’re stronger than you are, you use “guerrilla” tactics.

As to polygamy being okay if everyone agrees; again, conditioning makes many THINK they agree and accept the consequences; so does their religion. Can we really judge something we’ve never lived, but only seen from the outside? And anyone who hasn’t LIVED it for at least a generation can’t know how it molds people.

The kicking out of the “lost boys” to avoid competition, the taking of “wives” as young as 16, indoctrinating them into bearing child after child; I still blame the men, sorry.

Byte’s beliefs are the same as mine on that score:
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probably no more than religion makes anyone crazy. I say it was a power trip and first wifey politicking for primacy in Mitchell's future harem.
Cat, you’re really not worth responding to, but I will anyway. If you can’t recognize the use of this burning of their holy book as an excellent recruiting tool to bring more Muslims into the terrorists’ cause, you’re blind. Take any theocracy or strong religious influence on a people whose religion is part of their daily life, do something hateful to it’s holy book, and you can easly turn that hatred onto those who did it. RECRUITMENT, get it? And encouragement to hate, to be violent, etc., increases the danger to Americans everywhere, whether military or otherwise. OUR foreign policies contributed to 9/11—tho’ I know which people here will disagree adamantly—OUR subsequent actions can increase or decrease that resentment, hatred, and make people more willing to join in the “jihad”. If you can’t see that, you’re just plain blind.

I, too, would like to hear what the population of Florida has to say on this. While I don’t want to see an infringement on their free speech, I’d VERY much like to see a really big demonstration of people denouncing them and shouting “shame, shame!”. Thanx, JS...now can anyone organize enough of those against it to DO something about it—not violence, not “enforcement”, but something public to show the world that they don’t represent us? That’s what we need! Any chance you or someone you know can write a letter to the editor or an article calling for this? Florida’s population doesn’t need to be ashamed, tho’ I understand the feeling (I’m still ashamed of our internment camps!), if they stood up and protested it, I guarantee it would assuage those feelings 100%!

I wouldn’t be surprised, Wish, I think it’s a strong possibility. For any group to behave in such manner means SOMEONE they consider a leader has fed them and stoked them and they haven’t thought about their actions.

I agree with RL...no bible, torah or qu’ran is “just a book” to people who are part of a church. ANY member of an organized religion would be offended and angry, very angry, I have no doubt...how angry are Christians that they don’t allow bibles in Muslim countries (or so someone here said)? Given Islam is a much stronger influence on that (last I heard), one-FIFTH of the world’s population, it’s not just a “book”, and if you think it is, you need to be better educated on many things. So do the American people. Not just that, but how do you think Evangelicals, Orthodox Jews, Born-Againers or any group strongly ruled by their holy book would respond to a burning of their holy book?


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:05 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Oldguy:
I do agree that no one should burn another man's sacred things.

Good start!

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but don't tell me it's cause we should be fearful of retaliation. we are already at war with the very group that is in question and they are already killing our boys/girls.
It's not about fear of retaliation, it's about our collective repulsion to the Nazi practice of burning books. It's about caring about our neighbors. Did the Muslims in Gainesville fly the planes into the Towers? Where did you get the idea that America is at war with Muslims? Hasn't it been made clear that we're at war with terrorists who commit murder in the name of Islam? There's more than a subtle difference there.


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:07 AM

HKCAVALIER


I tend to agree, Oldguy: this "they're endangering our troops" gambit is nonsense. WE'RE endangering our troops sending 'em over there. Gee, I dunno, would I be more upset if some fool on the other side of the world burned my favorite book, or if there were troops in my own backyard killing the neighbor kids?

When I step back from the manifest idiocy of this preacher down in Florida, I honestly have to say I find this particular controversy amusing. The guardians of political correctness are all discombobulated. "It's wrong because it's holy to someone!" "But it's his right to do it, it says so in the constitution!" "But it isn't fair, it isn't nice!" "I know, I know, I wish he would just stop!" "How can he do this to us (meeeeeeeeeee)!" "Oh nose!"

Hello,

My apologies to nice people everywhere, but here in the United States of America, we are granted the right to disrespect other people's beliefs. Sorry, but there it is. I can burn a flag, I can burn a book. Judge me as a profoundly uncool personage, but there it is. Deal.

Fighting a war on foreign soil in the ostensible interest of "liberating" the folks who live there is another canard. If you want to liberate them from something, liberate them from our occupation--the one aspect of life over there over which we have absolute control. When do we call an end to this madness? When we've killed more Muslims than any dictatorial Muslim government could ever hope to execute?

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:07 AM

NIKI2

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It has nothing to do with "armageddon", Oldguy, it has to do with increasing the number of the enemy by handing them a recruitment tool; it has to do with DECREASING the number of those who would be neutral or tolerant toward us, or even help us, it has to do with inflaming sentiment and making our soldiers' jobs harder and more dangerous because it would increase the enemy's hatred toward us, thus spurring them on to more energetic efforts. It has to do with making it longer and harder to gain acceptance in the rest of the world.

Our soldiers are in danger now, nobody argues that, that they would be in worse danger because there were more, and angrier, people to plant IUDs or take up arms against us is perfectly valid. No armageddon, just worsening of an already-bad situation and more of our people being killed. That doesn't matter to you?

Yes, I too believe we're wrong to be there, or in Iraq, but we ARE, so making it worse for those aready over there doesn't make sense to me. It's not that I'm afraid of them, it's that I don't want to see what's already a bad situation even worse.

RL shames me in that she is making the more honorable response. It SHOULD be that, and it is that for me, but the LOGIC (not fear) of increasing the number of the enemy makes no sense to me.

It's also, even moreso, wrong to me to increase the hatred of Islam which is all-too prevalent and growing in this country as it is. To equate Islam with terrorism by burning its holy book is the very last thing we should be doing right now; we should be working at SEPARATING the two!


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:31 AM

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:39 AM

KLESST


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by Klesst:
I don't like the idea of burning books of any kind but if it's not insensitive to build a Mosque at ground zero, it's not insensitive to burn the Quran.


Excepting building a Mosque is a constructive act, and burning a book is a destructive act. It is not an issue of sensitivity. It is an issue of violence.



If it's not a matter of sensitivity then it's just a property rights issue. This is the good old USA, I don't have to feel any special reverence for your stupid holy book. If I want to burn my quran, it's nobody's business but my own. Go ahead and build your Mosque, I'll walk by it every day wearing a Muslims Suck tee shirt. I have nothing against peaceful Muslims, but if they can shove a mosque in my face just because they have the right, I can do something stupid just because it's my right.

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 11:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


That's absolutely correct, and every one of those is your right to do. Burn your Qu'ran, wear your t-shirt. Those are your rights; it's their right to burn the Qu'ran, too, however stupid it may be, and I'm sure nobody will mind you walking by in your t-shirt. You see, Christians, Jews, Buddhist will also be going in that door to utilize the facilities, and will think you're just as silly as you are.

Nobody shoved anything in your face; the COMMUNITY CENTER was approved legally and rightfully in a PUBLIC MEETING of the New York.

The COMMUNITY CENTER was planned last December. It was made public. Nobody cared.

As of May 25, 2010, the community board approved it in a PUBLIC MEETING:
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New York City community board voted late Tuesday to support a plan to build a mosque and cultural center near ground zero. "It's a seed of peace," board member Rob Townley said. "We believe that this is significant step in the Muslim community to counteract the hate and fanaticism in the minority of the community."

The vote was 29-to-1 in favor of the plan. "The moderate Muslim voice has been squashed in America," said Bruce Wallace, who said he lost a nephew in the Sept. 11 attacks. "Here is a chance to allow moderate Muslims to teach people that not all Muslims are terrorists."

Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer, who has been the target of disparaging remarks by Williams for supporting the plans, defended his position and denounced offensive speech directed at him or at Muslims. "What I want people to do is to take a look at the totality of what they are proposing," Stringer said. "What we're rejecting here is outright bigotry and hatred."

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said there were no security concerns.

"I don't think anybody wants to do anything to disrespect those families. They made the ultimate sacrifice," he said. "At the same time, we have to balance diversity and look for opportunities to bring different groups together."

Why no fuss, no violence toward Muslims, no destruction of Mosques in America, no denial of permits for actual Mosques to be built, before August?

BECAUSE IT WAS MADE INTO A POLITICAL ISSUE and anti-Islamist sentiment was stoked. Those are the "facts".


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 11:49 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Klesst:
If I want to burn my quran, it's nobody's business but my own.



That's exactly right. If you were doing it in your backyard.

But when you announce a hateful, violent acts with big banners, you're making everyone associated with this country look bad.

It is like when Muslim extremists do stupid violent things, it makes all Muslims look bad. So sure, there are Muslims behind the scenes telling them, "Cut it out! You're making all of us look bad!"

We're saying the same thing. Cut it out. You're making all of us look bad. It's your right to do it. And it's our right to tell you we don't like it and wish you would stop. See?

Ultimately, I blame the media for taking this idiot's local eyesore global. If it weren't for them, he'd be only bothering people in Gainesville.

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“Burning a holy book, or any book for that matter (or the American Flag), to make a point is both contrary to everything we stand for and entirely Constitutional. " --- Hero, Sept 7, 2010
(The only time I can remember actually agreeing with Hero.)

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 12:04 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


CTTS: Well said. If I could get there, I'd organize some of those who are ashamed of what's happening in their state and community to stand up and do just that: speak out; demonstrate against this act of racism and hatred.

I wish someone else would.


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 12:12 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hey, hey, HEY! I just saw this:
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A Florida pastor Thursday called off his controversial plan to burn copies of the Quran on the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack.

The pastor appeared at an afternoon press conference with Imam Muhammad Musri of the Islamic Society of Central Florida, who said he will make the trip with Jones.

Jones previously had said he would proceed with the plan Saturday -- the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Earlier this week, the top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus, warned that the plan "could cause significant problems" for American troops overseas.

Jones had rejected the pleas, saying his message targets radical Islamists. "The general needs to point his finger to radical Islam and tell them to shut up, tell them to stop, tell them that we will not bow our knees to them," Jones said on CNN's "AC360." "We are burning the book. We are not killing someone. We are not murdering people."

Meanwhile, two websites associated with Jones and his church were down Thursday.

Rackspace Hosting took down the two sites because the church "violated the hate speech provision of our acceptable use policy," said spokesman Dan Goodgame.

The company investigated a complaint in the past couple days and made the determination after reviewing both sites, said Goodgame, adding that Rackspace was under no pressure to act.

"This is not a constitutional issue. This is a contract issue," he said.

Rackspace gave Jones until midnight Wednesday to migrate content and find another host. Goodgame said he did not know how long Rackspace had hosted the websites, but he said it did not handle design or content.

"We have about 100,000 customers," Goodgame said. "We don't even know what all the sites are."

Jones and Dove World had agreed to terms on the Rackspace Cloud service, Goodgame said. The policy dictates the suspension or termination of service for offensive content, including material that is "excessively violent, incites violence, threatens violence or contains harassing content or hate speech."

"We would have taken the same position if it was hate speech against Christians or other groups," he added.

A Christian congregation in Germany on Thursday distanced itself from Jones, its founder and former pastor. Stephan Baar, one of the leaders of the Christian Community of Cologne, said the congregation split with Jones in 2008 over differences in the way the church was run.

(quiet little "huzzah for doing the right thing" from this corner)


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 12:23 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ooops, I see it was blackmail:
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said the imam who planned a mosque and Islamic center near ground zero in New York has agreed to move it to another location. But the imam who appeared with him said that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf in New York agreed to speak with Jones about possibly moving the center.

A spokesman from Soho Properties told CNN producer Vivienne Foley that "the Muslim community center called Park51 in lower Manhattan is not being moved."

Jones, meanwhile, said he will travel to New York on Saturday to meet with Rauf.




Well, whatever, as long as it doesn't happen (and as long as it not happening isn't forced on them). I'm not proud; I'll take it.

Looks to me, however, that this guy is an attention hound and would like to think he's instrumental in getting the community center moved. Hmmmm...


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 12:25 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Niki -

Preacher Jones is nuts. But that doesn't mean he's not clever enough to milk this for all it's worth, either. He's getting more publicity for his cult of a church than he'd ever could have dreamed.

He said, briefly, that he'd pray on this matter and listen to what God says. ( what are the odds God will say "Nah, don't burn the devil's book", and it'll sound exactly like Preacher Jones' own voice? )




For the record, giving credit where it's due. AU totally called this one. Doesn't matter that Jones is saying the center will be moved, he's just trying to save face in front of his congregation now.

I wasn't overly worried myself either way cause I figured this would happen. They'll probably go ahead and burn the qurans anyway when ground is broken in Manhattan, but this time when no one's watching. Whatever.

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 12:39 PM

PENGUIN


"Jones said moving the planned Islamic cultural center in New York would accomplish his church's goals because, he said, "the American people do not want the mosque at the ground zero location."


Don't speak for me. You speak only for yourself and the small group of stupid people who follow you.

If there is a god, may he send you to the lower depths of hell for being the attention whore that you are.





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Thursday, September 9, 2010 1:22 PM

FREMDFIRMA



You make strong points on those issues, Niki, and I do not essentialy disagree with you in any major way, but when folks who are aware of how abusive it is start choosing to play along instead of bailing out when they have that option...

It is at that point where I no longer treat them as victims.

It's kind of like the folk shovelling money into "Childrens Charity" which in fact finances those AoG Hellcamps like TeenChallenge, I can forgive it when they didn't know, when they thought they were helping, etc...

But when it is made clear to them how abusive those places are, and the response is something like "Fuck em, they're all sinners anyway", it is at THAT point it becomes a willful act of malice, and I will respond to it accordingly.

So there's a few of those finger-pointers at the Mormon leaders who are anything but innocent themselves, and it's their own failure to admit to their own perpetuating that makes it just that damned much harder for the people that want to leave, because some of the girls who get it in mind to do so, wind up sold out and blindsided by their own, them being less "innocent" than they were billed as, you see ?

Leastways, I tell em up front, if you're gonna cut the chain, CUT it, everyone you ever knew, everyone you've ever met, you *must* let go, cause it only takes one hook...
And when they choose to remain in contact with the other girls, and it comes back on them...

I can get pretty damned angry about that.

Again, no one is wholly innocent, that knows what's going on - closest to it might be the Lost Boys, and BACA has done wonders outside their usual scope of engagement with the help of the people from Cal Farley, but I am not gonna disseminate the details of that, other than to say they've at least been done right by as regards to the folk I know.
http://bacaworld.org/

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I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 1:55 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hear, hear Penguin!

Frem; I'm not saying they're totally innocent, but I give more strength to conditioning than you do; I've seen it in women in abusive relationships who make excuses for their husbands and stay in the relationship.

Bear in mind that women who were born into this system, by the time they're old enough to think for themselves, usually have a couple of kids already and believe there is no way they can care for the children (IF the cult would let them go!) on their own.

I just saw a Law & Order episode on this yesterday, based on a real-life event. The woman (barely more than a girl) already had five kids...she'd run away because she fell in love with one of the "lost boys" and was a sixth wife and couldn't take it anyway. They fought and fought for her...in the end she discovered she was pregnant again (by the leader of the Mormon cult) and chose to return to the cult, because she had nobody outside of it who could help her survive.

I give conditioning and brainwashing a LOT of credit, and always will. I learned a lot from being on a website for bipolars, who are often kept under the thumb of their families by "brainwashing" from childhood on. I'll not judge anyone until I've fully understood their life, and I can't, where these people are concerned.

Logic and sense are one thing; when it comes to cults, they go right out the window.


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 3:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Klesst:

If it's not a matter of sensitivity then it's just a property rights issue. This is the good old USA, I don't have to feel any special reverence for your stupid holy book.



And I don't have to feel any special reverence for your 3000 dead. Ain't American grand? Look at me, enjoying my freedoms to flip the finger to you and your hyper-sensitivity about 9/11.

Quote:

If I want to burn my quran, it's nobody's business but my own.


Hey, you'll no doubt support any Muslim burning a model of the Twin Towers this Saturday to celebrate the end of Ramadan, too, right? After all, it's nobody's business but their own!

Quote:

Go ahead and build your Mosque, I'll walk by it every day wearing a Muslims Suck tee shirt.


Go for it. And if a Muslim were to wear an "Osama PWN3D U.S.A. on 9/11!" tee to your little 9/11 memorial, I'm sure you'd support his rights to do so.

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I have nothing against peaceful Muslims, but if they can shove a mosque in my face just because they have the right, I can do something stupid just because it's my right.


You prove that every time you post.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:32 PM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
those AoG Hellcamps like TeenChallenge,



Frem,

What's wrong with Teen Challenge?

I spent a summer with them as a social work intern over 20 years ago. (Cut me a break here, Frem, I was VERY young--a teenager myself--and deluded.) I worked at a Teen Challenge that took only adults. I have no idea what they do in residential centers that work with children.

They shove religion down their residents' throats. They feed them donated food that are sometimes expired. They'll kick anyone out if they don't follow their rules. But I didn't see any abuse beyond the usual authoritarian BS--nothing beyond what you get in schools.

I am now no big fan of AoG--believe you me. I am curious what your complaints are.

Edited to add:

I went digging a bit, because frankly, I hadn't thought about them for over 20 years. I found this.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/2/17850/21034

OMG.

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Friday, September 10, 2010 12:33 AM

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ha ha.... now the nutters at the Westboro Baptist Cult and Turnip Stand are threatening to burn some Qurans, if Preacher Jones doesn't.

please please please let some Jihadist take THEM out!!!



Westboro Baptist Church to burn Qurans if Dove doesn't

By Chad Smith
Staff writer

Published: Thursday, September 9, 2010 at 2:42 p.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, September 9, 2010 at 5:20 p.m.

Westboro Baptist Church, the small Topeka, Kan., church that pickets funerals of American soldiers to spread its message that God is punishing the country for being tolerant of homosexuals, has vowed to hold a Quran burning if Gainesville's Dove World Outreach Center calls its off.

" WBC burned the Koran once – and if you sissy brats of Doomed america bully Terry Jones and the Dove World Outreach Center until they change their plans to burn that blasphemous tripe called the Koran, then WBC will burn it (again), to clearly show you some things,"

http://www.ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909743/1412?Title=We
stboro-Baptish-Church-to-burn-Qurans-if-Dove-doesn-t




Oh, please do. Please " show us some things " and we'll stand back and let the fun commence.




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Friday, September 10, 2010 2:39 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by Klesst:
If I want to burn my quran, it's nobody's business but my own.



That's exactly right. If you were doing it in your backyard.


Make sure your community allows open burning...you might need a permit.

If you do burn a holy book I suggest a light rub or salt and spices and a nice sweet sauce. Vinegar or mustard based BBQ sauces would not go well with God's word...

Serve with coleslaw and you'll think you've gone to heaven...

H

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Friday, September 10, 2010 3:35 AM

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/world/asia/11afghan.html?_r=1&hp

"KABUL, Afghanistan — Protests in Afghanistan turned violent on Friday over plans by a Florida pastor to burn copies of the Koran, even after the pastor announced he was not going through with the event."

I don't think you have to worry about the moderates in any religion, good folk mostly, just want to get by, but the fringe is where the nutters are and Islam continues to attract and retain the largest, most violent fringe of any religion. Can anyone dispute that without going back hundreds of years?

When the Muhammad cartoon came out there were more deaths to Christians in Africa from the riots it caused there than in Europe.

I think that was the one point Ole Bug-eyes (Pat Connell) made that is unassailable: they (fringe Islam, the extremists) will use threat of violence, Jihad, to get their way. It's already worked here with the Kook in Florida (Petraeus, "puts our troops in danger"), and it will happen again - just what is it going to be next time? Can I coin the phrase "Religious Bully?"

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Friday, September 10, 2010 4:18 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello Pizmo,

I can't dispute anything you've said, as it does seem there's a higher concentration of 'religious bully' in the Muslim world at the moment. I think it comes from the fact that much of the Muslim world is essentially a theocracy, with religious law being the rule of the land, rather than secular ideals of fairness and justice. I'd expect to see much the same in any country where the laws of the Old Testament dictated the details of the Justice System.

However, I don't think the actions of Muslims, Christian nutjobs, or Satanic cults should dictate our actions in the United States.

We do have secular laws and ideals, after all. We should uphold them even in the face of scary religious groups. It's the only way to defeat them without becoming them.

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Friday, September 10, 2010 5:01 AM

NIKI2

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Quote:

Islam continues to attract and retain the largest, most violent fringe of any religion. Can anyone dispute that without going back hundreds of years?
I wouldn't even try to dispute that, it is absolutely correct at this time.

I see REASONS behind them wanting to strike out, but that doesn't defend the indefensible. There is no EXCUSE. I'm not surprised the threatened burning of the Qu'ran started riots...and I understand the reasons, but I think it's terrible.

Our foreign policy has been one of domination, last throes of an empire; almost univerally against Muslims in recent years. Our actions in invading two sovereign nations, whatever bad shape they were in, further made people feel oppressed, especially given what followed (Abu Grabe, Gitmo, etc.). Geller stoking up the community center thing has vastly increased the resentment and hatred of Muslims in this country, and right now as a country we are showing exactly the hate and intolerance they've been accusing us of. Feeling helpless against a greater, richer force, they've chosen to strike out in the only way they can.

Yesterday was the last day of Ramadan. I wrote a post about mom's and my trip on an Afghan bus when it was Ramadan...by the end of it they're pretty much a mess. No water or food from sunrise until sunset for, I think it's two weeks? Imagine how that would feel. I think the Jews might have a vague notion... So they're apt to go nuts at night and after it's over...we stayed indoors when it was Ramadan in Afghanistan, and you could hear the shouting, singing, and guns being shot off almost all night. It's the "crazy time"--if there is anything crazier than normal for the extremists!

NONE of that excuses anything, just helps to explain it. Add what Anthony said about theocracies (very on point), and the threat to burn their holy book is just one more "fuck you" by a nation from which they've received more than their share of "fuck you"s.

I understand it, I DO NOT condone it. That's just how I view it. And I hope he doesn't burn Qu'rans--he's painted himself in a corner and done enough damage as it is. The Westboro nutcases don't surprise me in the least, and I'm pretty sure there will be other groups. We've proven ourselves no better than they in this instance, and nothing will stop the more extreme elements of OUR society from acting out, now that they've got the idea.


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Friday, September 10, 2010 5:02 AM

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Friday, September 10, 2010 6:05 AM

HKCAVALIER


It's just bizarre to me that the protests in Afghanistan are perceived to be caused by the religion of the region rather than the history of that region. Are there violent protests in Indonesia, Europe or here in America? No. Could it be that there are factors creating this violence in Afghanistan other than the Quran? Maybe the fact that we've pummelled that country for the past 8 years without any observable rationale other than our having the will and the means to do so?

Here's a vastly superior military force, so superior that they can fly their army halfway around the world to devastate your country, and now, after 8 years of this, people in that dangerous nation are planning to burn your holy books out of pure spite and rage? How the hell would you feel? Pure spite and rage directed at your religion from the most powerful nation on earth, a nation that has been demonstrating that spite and rage, daily on your neighbors for 8 years and counting, no end in sight, can only be terrifying to the catastrophically poverty stricken people who've been chosen as "the enemy."

If folks here in the States could just for five freakin' seconds look at this from the Afghani point of view, see that if we want to walk in and destroy their whole country there is exactly fuck-all they can do about it, then we might begin to understand why the things that go on over there are just a little bit peculiar to that place and time and not caused by the ostensible religion of the people over there.

Which is not to say they aren't religious fanatics, they are. And here we are, after years of desecrating their land, we're gonna desecrate their holy book for shits and giggles. Of course, their version of Islam DOES play into it, but good gravey Miss Mavey, it's not the determining factor--else we'd see this same rioting in a dozen Muslim nations, not just the people against whom we've been committing de facto genocide (a.k.a.: state of the art military action) over the past 8 years and specifically escalating that violence since the new, more "Islam friendly" President has come to power!

Oh, no, blame it on Islam, I'm sure the Afghan people will understand. 'Cause I sure don't.

HKCavalier

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Friday, September 10, 2010 7:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Pizmo,

I can't dispute anything you've said, as it does seem there's a higher concentration of 'religious bully' in the Muslim world at the moment. I think it comes from the fact that much of the Muslim world is essentially a theocracy, with religious law being the rule of the land, rather than secular ideals of fairness and justice. I'd expect to see much the same in any country where the laws of the Old Testament dictated the details of the Justice System.

However, I don't think the actions of Muslims, Christian nutjobs, or Satanic cults should dictate our actions in the United States.

We do have secular laws and ideals, after all. We should uphold them even in the face of scary religious groups. It's the only way to defeat them without becoming them.




I agree with your take - I think you address exactly why there is such difference between us, but doesn't it seem like "we" - the government - has been dictated to? If we have these free speech ideals then why was Jones even visited by anyone in Florida? Obviously, to avoid fundamentalist retribution. There's always going to be this implied threat with fringe Islam, "watch what you do or say..."

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Friday, September 10, 2010 7:39 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

When I heard that someone from government had *suggested* that the Quran burning shouldn't take place, I immediately wanted it to go forward. (I wasn't that much against it from the beginning, mostly due to the irony of how many Qurans would be purchased because of the burning. I enjoy laughing at irony and stupidity.)

I hate it when government gets involved in these matters. I don't want to hear any government officials say, "You shouldn't do that because of X" or "We wish you wouldn't do that because Y."

The main role of government is to protect people's rights. Government has no role in making opinions about people's rights unless a law is in debate that will affect those rights. When a governor or a police officer or a mayor or a senator or a defense department representative makes a statement of opinion, they don't seem to be speaking as private individuals. When cloaked in the mantle of office, they seem to speak as a fragment of the government itself.

And so it troubles me if a government official says, "Don't burn those Qurans, please, because it might put our soldiers in danger."

Jesus, if you want the soldiers out of danger, get them out of there.

The Quran burners are all asshats, but I don't want their asshattery interfered with, particularly not through official pressure. Such interference is even more grave than their offensive speech. It reminds me of when a government official suggested that opponents of the Community Center should be investigated. If any speech has the potential to destroy America, those words from a government representative came close.

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Friday, September 10, 2010 8:05 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Jesus, if you want the soldiers out of danger, get them out of there.



Standing ovation!!!

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Friday, September 10, 2010 8:05 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Damn that double post.

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Friday, September 10, 2010 8:06 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Jesus, if you want the soldiers out of danger, get them out of there.


Damn that triple post.

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Friday, September 10, 2010 8:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

When I heard that someone from government had *suggested* that the Quran burning shouldn't take place, I immediately wanted it to go forward. (I wasn't that much against it from the beginning, mostly due to the irony of how many Qurans would be purchased because of the burning. I enjoy laughing at irony and stupidity.)

I hate it when government gets involved in these matters. I don't want to hear any government officials say, "You shouldn't do that because of X" or "We wish you wouldn't do that because Y."

The main role of government is to protect people's rights. Government has no role in making opinions about people's rights unless a law is in debate that will affect those rights. When a governor or a police officer or a mayor or a senator or a defense department representative makes a statement of opinion, they don't seem to be speaking as private individuals. When cloaked in the mantle of office, they seem to speak as a fragment of the government itself.

And so it troubles me if a government official says, "Don't burn those Qurans, please, because it might put our soldiers in danger."

Jesus, if you want the soldiers out of danger, get them out of there.

The Quran burners are all asshats, but I don't want their asshattery interfered with, particularly not through official pressure. Such interference is even more grave than their offensive speech. It reminds me of when a government official suggested that opponents of the Community Center should be investigated. If any speech has the potential to destroy America, those words from a government representative came close.




I agree with your ideals, but that's not looking like that is how it's playing out. We have been dictated to by Islamic fundamentalists - hell, I'm not even sure if those protest crowds could be called fundamentalists or just angry (rightfully so) muslims of faith. I agree with HK to a large extent that we deserve their hatred.

Actually, I should qualify that: I agree with your ideals on paper. We differ in that I think it's great that someone stepped in and put a loaded bag of money to this Jerkwater's head and made him think twice about what he was going to do. As much as I want the insanity in Afghanistan to end NOW, it isn't, and while it continues, ramping up the hatred is a bad, potentially lethal idea. There isn't a piece of paper, or list of rules, or set of ideals that can account for all situations - sometimes we just have to trust our common sense - I know, scary!

Heh: I see where he may be hedging on the whole not burning thing.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/10/florida.quran.burning.imam/index.html
?hpt=T2


"The Rev. Terry Jones told CBS' "The Early Show" that "we have called the event off." Soon afterward, however, he told reporters in Florida the burning is still being contemplated.
"We are seriously, seriously, seriously considering not burning the Qurans. That is absolutely right," Jones said.
Challenged by a reporter, Jones then said, "Well, we are hoping that we can come to a conclusion."
"Are you or aren't you?" a reporter asked, to which Jones replied, "We're actually not prepared to answer that right now."

You may get your wish Anthony!

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Friday, September 10, 2010 8:46 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"You may get your wish Anthony!"

Hello,

Well, lest anyone be confused by my 'wishes'...

I think it was rediculous and stupid to have a book burning. I wish no one ever burned books in America. (Any book, really. Even Glen Beck's new political thriller.) However, it was once just a circus sideshow of hatred and religious extremism that was amusingly going to subvert itself by promoting lots of Quran purchases.

But the moment an official got involved, I wanted it to go forward merely to snip the genitals of government pressure and interference with civil liberties.

To suggest that it shouldn't go forward because we have soldiers in Muslim countries implies one of two things. Perhaps both of them.

1) We shouldn't have soldiers in Muslim countries.
2) Our soldiers are not tasked with protecting the freedoms of the American People.

Because saying to someone, "You should stop exercising your right to free speech in order to protect the people who protect your right to exercise free speech" is silly, and in blatant defiance of common sense.

It only becomes 'common sense' when we admit that the U.S. Military is not in any way engaged in the protection of Americans. Once we make that admission, then we know it's time to get them out. In this way, the bonfire illuminates a basic truth. Not, as usual, the truth that the book burners intended.

--Anthony

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Friday, September 10, 2010 12:27 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Fuck em, they wanna burn a book, let em burn it, this is a free county - so long as they paid for it, what is that to me ?

Gotta remember, being someone who themselves enjoys winding up the uptight, I tend to be indifferent when someone tries that shit on me.


Oh, and CTS ?
Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
I went digging a bit, because frankly, I hadn't thought about them for over 20 years. I found this.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/2/17850/21034

OMG.


Girl you do not know the HALF of it, pray you never, ever do - remember, I'm the one who crawls down into the rabbit hole, to the bottom of the pit, and wrestles that beast in it's fucking lair, so when it finally crawls out into the light it's weakened and wounded enough for folks like Shelby Earnshaw or Jordan Riak to finish off.

What's got me sticking knives into them now isn't just that they do that shit, cause I can name a hundred and more that do - now that WWASPS and Pathway is gone, the religious and juvie "justice" places do still exist and need addressing...

No, it's that our tax money pays for this shit, remember that "faith-based" funding, that gravy train for the fucking american taliban ?

Faith-Based Funding for Teen Challenge Stirs Debate
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20100119/faith-based-funding-for-
teen-challenge-stirs-debate/index.html

Quote:

Lynn referenced in his Beliefnet blogalogue last week a recent article in The Minnesota Independent about the more than $10 million in government funds that the Minnesota Teen Challenge has received over the past seven years. The Minnesota government has also raised federal funding for the Christian organization several times during that time period.

YOUR tax money, MY tax money, going to pay for the outright abuse, torture and brainwashing of children by religious maniacs...

Here in America.

And you wonder why I don't consider Islam any kind of threat - to ME, the difference between Christianity and Islam is completely negligable, and the former is in fact a greater threat, getting ground in my face every fucking day by a society so indoctrinated in it that it's invisible to them.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, September 10, 2010 12:48 PM

NIKI2

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Very good take on Afghanistan, and relevant I believe. Bear in mind also that they've been conquered so many times it's almost routine to them (only half said in jest). Ghengis Khan, the Brits, India, the Ruskies, us, and many others have "conquered" Afghanistan, but none have held it. So they've pretty much got a HISTORY of hating the invader, as almsot none of them have been Muslim. It no doubt plays into their feelings, and I don't blame them, either, for feeling that way.

By the way, it's "Afghan"--"Afghani" is the currency, also called the "Af". Just FYI.

My own feelings are that I hate to see it take place (the burning) because it's against everything we stand for and tells the world that we're just as intolerant as any other country and should shut the fuck up about how "great" America's open-mindedness is. I hate that

I hate it because it's just plain wrong to burn books, any books, and especially the holy book of another religion than ours.

I hate it because it IS a recruitment tool for the terrorists, and has/will increase their number, which I don't want to see happen because we have Americans on the front lines.

That's my OPINION. I wouldn't dream of trying to stop them, but I really wish if they do it, enough people would turn out to show the world that it's a small minority, not all of us.

I don't mind the MILITARY talking to him and explaining the extra danger he's creating; I don't think the administration should have any right to put their noses into it. And I only agree with the military educating him about the dangers, not stopping him. To communicate is one thing--in a way it's the military's freedom-of-speech right, too; but to DO anything about it would be wrong.


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Friday, September 10, 2010 1:51 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I can't agree, Niki. If an individual soldier wants to write a letter as a civilian, then that's free speech.

But when a military official or administrator says something in an official capacity, they are representing their whole organization, and can be perceived to be representing the nation. Remember a not too distant statement from a BP official, lamenting his woe? Did people take it as one man's comments, or representative of the attitude of an entire company? Did they get mad at him individually, or at BP too?

Do I want the military or the government telling individuals who are exercising their rights that they shouldn't be doing it? Not even a little.

And just what are we talking about, exactly? Are we saying that the government or the military needs to educate people and explain to them that if we behave like jerks, the rest of the world might not like us?

That ship sailed. It was a U.S. Navy vessel. And it sailed to burn more than books.

Let the Department of Defense who is without sin cast the first stone. The idea that an organization which is actively bombing foreign countries is worried about those countries' reaction to a small Florida book burning is beyond ironic.

--Anthony

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Friday, September 10, 2010 1:59 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Pizmo,

I can't dispute anything you've said, as it does seem there's a higher concentration of 'religious bully' in the Muslim world at the moment. I think it comes from the fact that much of the Muslim world is essentially a theocracy, with religious law being the rule of the land, rather than secular ideals of fairness and justice. I'd expect to see much the same in any country where the laws of the Old Testament dictated the details of the Justice System.

However, I don't think the actions of Muslims, Christian nutjobs, or Satanic cults should dictate our actions in the United States.

We do have secular laws and ideals, after all. We should uphold them even in the face of scary religious groups. It's the only way to defeat them without becoming them.




I agree with your take - I think you address exactly why there is such difference between us, but doesn't it seem like "we" - the government - has been dictated to? If we have these free speech ideals then why was Jones even visited by anyone in Florida? Obviously, to avoid fundamentalist retribution. There's always going to be this implied threat with fringe Islam, "watch what you do or say..."



But there is also that exact same implied threat with fringe Christianity! That's what so many of you are unable to see or admit to. Look at how many counties in this nation there are where you cannot get an abortion - a COMPLETELY LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURE - at ANY price, simply because no medical provider is willing to risk their life and the lives of their families and employees to undertake what is completely legal and constitutionally protected.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Friday, September 10, 2010 2:02 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

It reminds me of when a government official suggested that opponents of the Community Center should be investigated.




Or when several others claimed that every penny of backing FOR that community center should be investigated.

Or when several lawmakers from one party demanded that a certain voter-registration organization be investigated - and then just proceeded to drive that organization out of business, instead of doing any investigating at all, which as it turns out would have CLEARED said organization...

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Friday, September 10, 2010 2:10 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:


And you wonder why I don't consider Islam any kind of threat - to ME, the difference between Christianity and Islam is completely negligable, and the former is in fact a greater threat, getting ground in my face every fucking day by a society so indoctrinated in it that it's invisible to them.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.




Bingo. Our society is so blinded to its own home-grown terrorists that you get ridiculed just for pointing out their existence, or it gets outright denied and lied about with claims that *these* weren't any kind of religious extremists!

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Friday, September 10, 2010 2:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Y'know, a part of me was kind of hoping that they'd go ahead and burn 'em, and that maybe the fire would get a little out of control, and a burning page might land on their church and burn it to the ground. It would be perfect poetic justice.

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Friday, September 10, 2010 2:18 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I can't agree, Niki. If an individual soldier wants to write a letter as a civilian, then that's free speech.

But when a military official or administrator says something in an official capacity, they are representing their whole organization, and can be perceived to be representing the nation. Remember a not too distant statement from a BP official, lamenting his woe? Did people take it as one man's comments, or representative of the attitude of an entire company? Did they get mad at him individually, or at BP too?

Do I want the military or the government telling individuals who are exercising their rights that they shouldn't be doing it? Not even a little.

And just what are we talking about, exactly? Are we saying that the government or the military needs to educate people and explain to them that if we behave like jerks, the rest of the world might not like us?

That ship sailed. It was a U.S. Navy vessel. And it sailed to burn more than books.

Let the Department of Defense who is without sin cast the first stone. The idea that an organization which is actively bombing foreign countries is worried about those countries' reaction to a small Florida book burning is beyond ironic.

--Anthony

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I bow to you, sir. You have become the master.

It also grinds my gears that the DoD is worried about what burning a few books will do as far as endangering our soldiers in Afghanistan, yet they seem oddly unconcerned with the blowback that follows every time they "accidentally" bomb a wedding party or wipe out a building full of civilians because they thought there might be a Bad Guy in the building.

I'm fairly sure that the DoD has burned more than its share of Q'urans, every time they bomb the wrong target.

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Friday, September 10, 2010 3:17 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree to a point, Mike, but I think it's apples and oranges. The military's job is to bomb and kill, that's why we have them. They do so at the behest of the legislators/President/administration. They do it with impunity.

I find that different from a supposed "man of God" choosing to burn the holy books of another religion...I find it especially reprehensible because he calls himself a "Christian"!

I don't mind the military saying something; if they ACTED on that in any way, that would be totally wrong. If the police were to stop him, the same. But the military gives military advice, I grant them that right, FOR ME. I speak for no one else.

Frem:
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And you wonder why I don't consider Islam any kind of threat - to ME, the difference between Christianity and Islam is completely negligable, and the former is in fact a greater threat, getting ground in my face every fucking day by a society so indoctrinated in it that it's invisible to them.
I applaud you, too; I am FAR more affected by the influence of religion in my own country than I am by any other, and it bothers the HELL out of me! The odds of my being impacted in any way by Islam are less than negligible, but extremists in the Christian religion have passed laws and influenced my government to a degree I find unconscionable. And THEY rationalize it by saying we're a "Christian nation" and that the Founding Fathers wanted us to be, which is an out-and-out lie!


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Friday, September 10, 2010 4:00 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


We all knew something like that was coming eventually, didn't we? I thread alll about Qu'ran burnings and Islam, and PN has to somehow inject something about Jews. Predictable, if nothing else...


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