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9 years ago today, the nutjobs put the demise of this Empire into overdrive...

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
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Saturday, September 11, 2010 9:55 AM

CHRISISALL


Why settle for a long, slow decline when you can piss off an Empire SO much that the DO THEMSELVES IN TWICE AS QUICKLY???

Thanks Bush, for responding predictably.
Thanks Congress, for allowing the illegal.
Thanks my fellow Americans, for not really knowing any history.


Happy Anniversary.


The snarky Chrisisall



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Saturday, September 11, 2010 10:13 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

The terrorist nutjobs hate freedom.

Response 1 - Reduce Freedom.

Yeah, I am also dismayed. And the actions oft critiqued in the past have not been punished or revoked.

We've come a long way to get nowhere fast.

--Anthony


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Saturday, September 11, 2010 10:25 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


The terrorist nutjobs also vowed to suck us into a conflict that would ignite the Middle East in a holy war.

Response 2 - Invade several countries at once in order to prove them wrong, thus proving them right.

I wouldn't say we've gone nowhere fast. We've come VERY far in the last 9 years. Unfortunately, it's almost all been in the wrong direction.

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Saturday, September 11, 2010 10:55 AM

CHRISISALL


And while we were obsessing on the "Imminent Terrorist Threat" the Wall Street Boys were free to be pushing our big rich bubble into an economic porcupine...


The laughing Chrisisall


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Saturday, September 11, 2010 11:39 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Well me, I'm pissed off cause it's nine years later and all we got is a hole in the ground, a festering wound that both the radical asshats, AND our own leaders like to poke at every once in a while to watch us flinch, distracting us from all the bullshit they're pulling...

Fuck that.

I said it then, I say it now, we shoulda put them damn towers RIGHT BACK UP, bigger, stronger, with a fucking flagpole on top of each one topped by an eagle screaming it's defiance on one side, and laughing at them on the other - a great big middle finger to the idea that a dozen shitheels could bring OUR country to it's knees, but no, instead our own leaders helped it happen, so THEY could do to us themselves what those radical asshats wanted to do.

Which of course raises the issue, once again, of who is the greater threat to our people, our society, our way of live - the shitheels of the world, or our own leaders, when they aid and abet it for their own purposes ?

And with me, there's also a certain annoyance at the whinging, the way I would view a parent who has lost a child and keeps that room immaculate with a little shrine in it, fifteen fucking years later - comes a time you have to let it GO, life goes on, but only if you LET it!

So I say, CHOOSE LIFE.

But I seem to be in the minority with that attitude, don't I ?

*shrug*
Oh Well.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, September 11, 2010 11:51 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

But I seem to be in the minority with that attitude, don't I ?


I'm right there with ya, buddy.


The Moral Minority Chrisisall


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Saturday, September 11, 2010 12:03 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
we shoulda put them damn towers RIGHT BACK UP, bigger, stronger, with a fucking flagpole on top




If only.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Saturday, September 11, 2010 12:33 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


I see nothing changes


Nobody wants to look at all the death and suffering the US caused pre 911 as say hey, we caused this to happen with our own bullshit...

Nobody wants to take any responsibility, or hold those responsible to account

Nobody else has any right to self defense or revenge but the goddamn usa... well fuck that


http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/931451/


have some cake, and fucking eat it

you deserve it



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Saturday, September 11, 2010 12:36 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

But I seem to be in the minority with that attitude, don't I ?


I'm right there with ya, buddy.




I'm in. I'll go power up the blues mobile.



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Saturday, September 11, 2010 12:40 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:


Nobody wants to look at all the death and suffering the US caused pre 911

Oh, we did EVERYTHING we could to make it happen. From effing with Middle East governments (all the way back to The Crusades, btw) to arming terrorists (that we *liked*).
The United States dines on enemy ashes, even if we gotta MAKE the enemies (or shadow-puppet them).

Things are changing, though....


The laughing Chrisisall


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Saturday, September 11, 2010 12:41 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
I see nothing changes


Nobody wants to look at all the death and suffering the US caused pre 911 as say hey, we caused this to happen with our own bullshit...

Nobody wants to take any responsibility, or hold those responsible to account

Nobody else has any right to self defense or revenge but the goddamn usa... well fuck that


http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/931451/


have some cake, and fucking eat it

you deserve it





Hi Gino - you obviously haven't read everyone's posts then - plenty of people saying get the fuck out of Iraq and Afghanistan - "we deserve their hatred" is a near direct quote from one of my own posts agreeing with one of HK's... and just because you don't see people post it doesn't mean they don't think it.

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Saturday, September 11, 2010 12:45 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
the goddamn usa...


BTW Gino, this:

is a representation of MY America, the percentage that really does stand for truth & justice. The peeps in it that WANT change & progress. And peace.




The laughing Chrisisall


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Saturday, September 11, 2010 12:54 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
plenty of people saying get the fuck out of Iraq and Afghanistan

My considered response just after 9-11 was "Well, then, let's get out of the Middle East entirely." How would they have BELIEVED it? What could they possibly have responded to such an unthinkable response with? And how would it have completely backfired on the extremists that masterminded it, and the rich as*wipes that funded it???

Instead, of course, we did completely the opposite, to the 3rd power.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Well me, I'm pissed off cause it's nine years later and all we got is a hole in the ground, a festering wound that both the radical asshats, AND our own leaders like to poke at every once in a while to watch us flinch, distracting us from all the bullshit they're pulling...

Fuck that.

I said it then, I say it now, we shoulda put them damn towers RIGHT BACK UP, bigger, stronger, with a fucking flagpole on top of each one topped by an eagle screaming it's defiance on one side, and laughing at them on the other - a great big middle finger to the idea that a dozen shitheels could bring OUR country to it's knees, but no, instead our own leaders helped it happen, so THEY could do to us themselves what those radical asshats wanted to do.

Which of course raises the issue, once again, of who is the greater threat to our people, our society, our way of live - the shitheels of the world, or our own leaders, when they aid and abet it for their own purposes ?

And with me, there's also a certain annoyance at the whinging, the way I would view a parent who has lost a child and keeps that room immaculate with a little shrine in it, fifteen fucking years later - comes a time you have to let it GO, life goes on, but only if you LET it!

So I say, CHOOSE LIFE.

But I seem to be in the minority with that attitude, don't I ?

*shrug*
Oh Well.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.




No, Frem, NO!! It's still too soon!




[Of course I'm kidding. I'm right there with ya - only I'd have those two giant screaming eagles using their feathers to flip the bird towards the mid-east. You can attack us. You can bomb us. You cannot defeat us.]


Oh. And...

GINO!!!

Good to see you here! How ya been?

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Saturday, September 11, 2010 3:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Thanks Bush, for responding like a champion. Fuck the Dems, for responding like pussies.






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Saturday, September 11, 2010 4:30 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Thanks Bush, for responding like a champion.

LOL!!! Thanks, I needed that laff.
Enjoy the next decade of economic & political upheaval, AU. The radical Psuedo-Muslim Extremist pieces of s**t thank you for your cooperation.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Saturday, September 11, 2010 6:15 PM

CANTTAKESKY


I'm still confused as to WHO the nutjobs were who attacked on 9/11.

I'm pretty clear, though, on who the nutjobs were who pissed on and ruined our country afterwards, who did SO much deeper and longer-lasting damage than the 9/11 nutjobs.

I, too, am sad that so many fellow American cheered those latter nutjobs on.

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Saturday, September 11, 2010 6:33 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
I'm still confused as to WHO the nutjobs were who attacked on 9/11.


Funded by Saudi rich peeps connected to Bin Laden.
Think, like, rich peeps connected to Bush. Same thing. Big players, just not as big as US.
Destabilizers.
And intel denied by players in our government enabled it.

Still confused?


The laughing Chrisisall


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Saturday, September 11, 2010 6:42 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Still confused?



Yeah. Maybe even more. ;)

That whole Al-Qaeda/Bin Laden thing never made very much sense to me.

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Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:06 PM

CHRISISALL


My take is that Bin Laden (rich son of Saudi peeps) built on U.S. hatred & general Western resentment to build a crew of devoted jerkoffs ready to end their lives in a blaze of God-sanctioned glory to end up in the sky with naked pretty chicks.
It took years of planning & millions of dollars, but they did it.
They shot their proverbial wad.

And it worked.

Al-Qaeda is the name for West-hating psudeo-Muslim dirtbags, ready to sell out their country for a cause (Because they have no good TV or cool models to build). The Taliban is the poor man's sex-starved Mafia.

Bin Laden is either crippled or dead by now, yet the threat is alive, thanks to old videos & our generated paranoia.

There. Still confused? I can go on and on.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Saturday, September 11, 2010 9:54 PM

CATPIRATE


There is nothing happy about it. That is disrespectful. Bush did great right up to court martialing good troops doing there job. Why so he could appease traitors like yourself. CA don't forget the mexican needed to buy homes it's only fair right. You evil liberal. American Poetry from a great Poet named PirateCat "kill the muslim kill him now".

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 12:25 AM

RIVERLOVE


Bush should never have sent ground troops into Afghanistan. Instead of waiting 30 days he should have leveled Kabul the next day when the Taliban refused to hand over Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri, and then carpet-bombed en masse every escape route out of Afghanistan. Who the hell ever came up with nation-building with troops and civilian advisors for Afghanistan? That was a Viet Nam trap in the waiting, and nine years later we're still there.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:31 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Still confused? I can go on and on.



Oh no, I am sorry I didn't make myself clear. I am not confused about what Al-Qaeda is and who Bin Laden is.

I am confused about whether they actually did it or not. That is to say, I am undecided whether they are responsible for 9/11 and am open to alternative suspects and explanations..

It's like a murder mystery. The cops finger Suspect Bob and close the case. I look at the evidence and see a lot of holes in that story. I am not so sure it is Bob who done it. I don't know who did, but I have grave doubts that it is Bob. Doesn't mean I think Bob DIDN'T do it, but I do think it is somewhat improbable. Given the available evidence, I think if the case were argued in court, there is enough to establish reasonable doubt.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:22 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Bush should never have sent ground troops into Afghanistan. Instead of waiting 30 days he should have leveled Kabul the next day when the Taliban refused to hand over Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri, and then carpet-bombed en masse every escape route out of Afghanistan. Who the hell ever came up with nation-building with troops and civilian advisors for Afghanistan? That was a Viet Nam trap in the waiting, and nine years later we're still there.




I actually liked your post better before you shortened it. I don't necessarily AGREE with all of it (I did agree with some of it, to be sure), but I thought you stated your beliefs pretty clearly.



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Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Given the available evidence, I think if the case were argued in court, there is enough to establish reasonable doubt.



Which seems to be the entire reason nobody ever even hints at bringing Osama to trial - they ONLY talk about bringing him "to justice" by killing him. It seems there is no interest at all in hearing his side of the story.

That doesn't prove anything, of course, but it certainly is a bit suspicious. If you have a murder suspect who you're SURE did it, and who you claim brags about doing it, it seems you'd want him on the stand to admit to it and explain why. So why DON'T we want that?

I'm with you, for the most part. I *think* Osama was probably behind it. I can't prove that. I *know* the government quite clearly used the incident to enact their agenda, and rushed extralegal measures through the legislature in the aftermath of 9/11.

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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
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Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm glad to see more voices I agree with who have thought about the situation in THIS thread.

And I agree with 99.9% of them; our government has taken precisely the bait the terrorists dangled in front of us; we are DOING exactly the things they wanted us to do; and we are destroying ourselves from within.

The idea of carpet-bombing Kabul and destroying Afghanistan worse than it was already destroyed before we went there leaves me speechless. Again with the "American might" crushing the opposition with over-the-top solutions which would leave millions of innocent people slaughtered in the name of rooting out a few rabid terrorists. I can't even argue it, it's so insane.

We're in two wars. Neither of them are with a "nation", they're with individuals and groups WITHIN those nations. So destroy the nations entirely? It's insane.

I, too, believe our own actions have brought our "Empire" down faster than anything from the outside. Bin Laden understood Westerners; he knew how to get to them, and he's done it perfectly. We let ourselves be distracted, in our own pain and fear, into rejecting everything that makes this country different, and in the past greater than, many other nations. We were manipulated into doing so to take our eyes off the things that were truly important to THIS country, and the greedy and power-hungry here made good use of the distraction they focused us upon to make excellent inroads on our liberty, civil rights, morality and the things by which we try to live.

It's valid: How much of the focus on terrorism allowed the Patriot Act, the Wall Street debacle, the increased gap between rich and poor, abandonment of habeas corpus, the disregarding of the morality of not torturing, detention of American CITIZENS and stripping of their rights, illegal wiretapping, and on and on? Cheney got what he wanted; and it's what the terrorists wanted, too. They both just wanted it for different reasons.

And we're still at it today...

The nut jobs didn't cause the demise of the American Empire to hasten; they just gave us the opportunity to do it to ourselves, I agree.

And we're still at it today...


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, and hey ho Gino! GREAT to see you back; your voice has been missed. Mike is right; numerous times many of us have agreed that America's foreign policy not only helped to create the current situation, but encouraged the hate and fear that's grown ever since.

And we're still at THAT, too...


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:36 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Oh, and hey ho Gino! GREAT to see you back; your voice has been missed. Mike is right; numerous times many of us have agreed that America's foreign policy not only helped to create the current situation, but encouraged the hate and fear that's grown ever since.

And we're still at THAT, too...


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off






What is to miss? That overseas cock sucker has never said one thing here that wasn't anti-American...fucking tool.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:24 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Gosh, and you say such flattering things about him...

I don't think Canada is technically "overseas", though. ;)

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:32 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Gosh, and you say such flattering things about him...

I don't think Canada is technically "overseas", though. ;)



He's not from Canada....He's a liar and it has been proven...that you havn't been here long enough to know that, and you still open your big gay mouth, shows you will argue anything. Man, you gays are something.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 10:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Gosh, and you say such flattering things about EVERYONE...
I apologize, Gino, for our unquestionably rudest, most coarse example of American narrowmindedness. You'd be right to hate us if you thought we all emulated that kind of mentality.

It's almost amusing that the one person who has admitted being a liar calls everyone else liars. They say we hate the things in others which we subconsciously hate within ourselves...how true.


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:45 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Well, funny thing is...

Osama prolly *didn't* do it - not only did he flatly deny it, even though our intel books cooked some really phony-looking tapes of a guy who don't even look like him sayin otherwise (proven to be fakes, mind), it also doesn't fit his MO either.

You gotta remember also that like most terrorists worth the name, we financed and supplied his rise to power as well, even had him over to visit a couple times under the alias "Tim Osman", and the document came from what I consider a reliable source, which has provided other very useful data like those comm intercepts concerning the OK Federal Building.

Primary suspect would in fact be Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, good ole KSM, the guy behind the original WTC 1993 attack, who woulda totally fucked it up anyhow had not the FBI seen fit to hand him an explosives expert (Emad Salem) AND a working bomb, and then stand back and let him set it off after ordering Emad *not* to sabotage it, something he wisely caught on tape when he realized he was being set up by his FBI handlers.

Now, we DID catch his ass, the Pakistani ISI in concert with the American DSS, with a properly served, legally executed warrant and they held a proper, by-the-book interrogation, without all the hands-on shit, and we netted a boatload of useful, actionable intel... that was suddenly, inexplicably, ignored.

That included the Bojinka plan, which was a general outline for basic hijack-and-crash operations, so this was well known as a potential tactic.

Then of course, we shipped him to one of our black sites and tortured the bastard till he went bonkers and invalidated all of the evidence we collected since he started "confessing" to stuff he didn't do, couldn't have done, and that other folks did - you know how that goes.

The other suspect would be Ramzi Yousef, who had also at times been cashing a paycheck from our alphabet boys, and unlike most so-called terrorists that fucker was pretty good at this shit, which made him dangerous.

We caught HIS ass too, with a properly served, legally executed warrant, the Pakistani ISI in concert with the American BDS rounded him up neat as you please when someone rolled him for the reward money we offered (MUCH cheaper than a war, innit ?) and he talked a buncha smack then clammed up - apparently he wasn't worth torturing, or maybe he might start tellin folk where to find certain check recipts, more likely, so we sent him through the rocket-docket, held a quiet show trial, convicted his ass and shipped him to SuperMAX Florence.

Most of the other supposed Hijackers were using false credentials, and we've found at least seven of the folk quite alive, eslewhere, and quite pissed at such an accusation - so there's really no way to know exactly WHO was on the planes, especially since some of the records have been altered and the original seat and ticket numbers don't even match any more.

Suspect three would be Mohammed Atta, who was no one wants to talk about since he was hanging with Jack Abramoff and friends, which leads back to some interesting monetary connections if you follow it long enough.

Most of the rest of the info is fragmented, and very complicated since one would have to thread though all the ass covering bullshit, and obvious false leads thrown in to cover certain peoples asses or support politically-motivated conclusions, but in the end the big finger points at some asshat none of you have likely ever heard of, Wali Khan Amin Shah - they bagged him up at the safehouse, lost him, caught him again, and handed him to US Authorities who stuffed his ass in the bowels of Marion USP and forgot about him.
(as in, we never brought him to trial, just cuffed him and stuffed him, all nice and quiet like)

And if you follow the money, it leads through a handful of Saudi and Kuwaiti upperclass who all have one thing in common - an investment group called Carlyle.

Make of that what you will.

As for Osama ?
Guilty of terrorism - hell fucking yes.
Guilty of 9-11-01 - likely not, if at all, only as an accomplice from a financial perspective, feeding money to KSM on the side, and guess WHO he was getting some of the money from, ehe?

Some of them same Saudis, Kuwatis, and some from our own so-called protectors with three-letter names.

And of course, ain't nobody gonna subpeano Carlyle and seize their records, which, if they have any sense at all, have likely been shredded by now - nor is anyone gonna allow Wali to testify, hell no...

Truth is, we do not know - and since so many of our own so-called protectors and allies were involved up to the neck, even if not quite deliberately, likely we ain't ever gonna.

But I *can* assure you that Carlyle is who made it financially possible for it to happen.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:05 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



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Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:09 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I said it then, I say it now, we shoulda put them damn towers RIGHT BACK UP, bigger, stronger, with a fucking flagpole on top of each one topped by an eagle screaming it's defiance on one side, and laughing at them on the other - a great big middle finger to the idea that a dozen shitheels could bring OUR country to it's knees, but no, instead our own leaders helped it happen, so THEY could do to us themselves what those radical asshats wanted to do.



The jew Rockefellers built the World Trade Center, and the jew Rockefellers blew them up.

Or do you say jews have no right to own private property and do with it what thou wilt?



9/11 Commissioners say Govt lied, demand new investigation
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/09/anniversary-of-911.html

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:23 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Bush should never have sent ground troops into Afghanistan. Instead of waiting 30 days he should have leveled Kabul the next day when the Taliban refused to hand over Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri, and then carpet-bombed en masse every escape route out of Afghanistan. Who the hell ever came up with nation-building with troops and civilian advisors for Afghanistan? That was a Viet Nam trap in the waiting, and nine years later we're still there.



You're assuming an awful lot here about a part of the world that is infinitely complex. Firstly, you (like Bush and his ilk draw a direct line between the Taliban that ruled Afghanistan, and Bin Laden and Al Queda.

Terrorist cells generally don't operate in a free and transparent way, that is why they are called cells. They may have connections, they may pass funds between one another, but rarely do they know details about membership and movement.

It appears that Al Queda is a very loose organisation, that gives grants for want of a better word, to organisations wanting to carry out anti US activities.

I've never really had much time for the conspiracy theorists around 9/11, although I agree with those posters who have pointed out the dirty links between the US and Saudi money that probably ended up in the hands of someone who planned it. I think Atta was the mastermind behind it, a religious fanatic who hoped to destabilise if not bring down the US with his (and thousands of others) deaths.

In the end, 9/11 didn't do any of those things, but it was a symbolic guesture of defiance against the world's greatest military power - the puny David bringing down the Goliath with his sling shot...for a small time anyway. I don't think it was as much about religion, as about power and powerlessness, and about being seen to be able to 'fight back' by those who have felt oppressed by the military industrial complex that basically rules the world. That was reason that people danced in the streets.

The ironic thing about it all was that is exposed the great powerless of the US to respond to terrorism, other than choosing to pay back some debts (ie Iraq) and waging a very poor PR campaign - "War on Terror" perleeease!!


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Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:30 PM

PEACEKEEPER

Keeping order in every verse


I have a question: and it's one that may have already been answered, so please bear with me.
WHY, after nine years, is there NOTHING being constructed at Ground Zero.

I live near Manchester, England.On June 15th, 1996, The IRA planted the largest bomb that the UK Mainland has seen, slap bang in the middle of Manchester City Centre. The resulting explosion ripped the city centre apart, destroying many historical buildings.
Now, granted, this is not on the same scale as 9/11 and there were warnings and evacuations and no death toll, so I appreciate the difference, BUT........
Only 3 years later, the entire area was rebuilt from scratch. The DAY AFTER, people of Manchester were going to work as if nothing happened. In fact,when the 7/7 bombings were happening in London,people tended to shrug it off and say "What was that loud noise".
Now, I absolutely feel for your countrymen who were involved in and affected by the atrosities in NY on that day, BUT, I think it's about time that you dropped the "Victim Culture" and got on with it.
I was in New York last November and although I loved the city, I couldn't get my head around the fact that Ground Zero is a bloody tourist attraction. I had no wish to see a hole in the ground, or take morbid pictures of it. I appreciate that folk who were affected need a place to go and reflect, but this is just milking it. BUILD something on there.Make use of the space and stick two fingers up to the sods who destroyed it.Every day past with a ruinous crater in the ground is just another reminder of who has actually won the fight.
Perhaps what you people need is less a show of pointless military force and more of a "Look after your own back yard" attitude.
The same happened with Katrina. Isn't Louisiana still a bloody wasteland after that??? How can a country with such vast resources not look after it's own people, or rebuild it's own landmarks?
Again, this is not an intentional snipe at the USA and I don't wish to belittle the events of a decade ago, but, BUILD SOMETHING on the site.


Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Monday, September 13, 2010 12:39 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by peacekeeper:
I have a question: and it's one that may have already been answered, so please bear with me.
WHY, after nine years, is there NOTHING being constructed at Ground Zero.

Um... OK, people keep saying this, but it's just not true. I was downtown a few months ago. Have you seen the photos from Saturday's memorial? Have you seen any recent photos at all? They are indeed building, and have been since at least 2006. Setting the foundations of such a complex structure is not a quick and easy job.

The "Freedom Tower" is several stories high now. Check the wiki page for photos:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_World_Trade_Center

I hate the name (makes me think of "Freedom Fries" - gah! Cheesy Americana!) but I love how they planned the bottom of the building. The first several (maybe a dozen?) stories are a windowed lobby, and you can see the massive central beams that hold the thing up. Really massive. It's like they're advertising: we are not building this fucker to get knocked down. It's good PR, since you know everyone who sees this will be thinking: can it happen again?

So anyway, please do some research before getting all upset over this. Expensive high rises do not build themselves in a moment's time.

ETA a picture from 9/8/10, from the wiki page:



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Monday, September 13, 2010 1:47 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


I hate the name (makes me think of "Freedom Fries" - gah! Cheesy Americana!)



So just refer to it as "The French Tower".


Hey, I'm glad they're finally building something there, too. The Burj Dubai, over twice as tall as the Twin Towers, took just over 5 years to complete. So let's get busy!

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Monday, September 13, 2010 1:51 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Quote:

Gosh, and you say such flattering things about EVERYONE...
I apologize, Gino, for our unquestionably rudest, most coarse example of American narrowmindedness. You'd be right to hate us if you thought we all emulated that kind of mentality.

It's almost amusing that the one person who has admitted being a liar calls everyone else liars. They say we hate the things in others which we subconsciously hate within ourselves...how true.




It's also cute that he thinks I haven't been here long enough to have an opinion, since I've only been here a year longer than him...

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Monday, September 13, 2010 2:52 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Quote:

Gosh, and you say such flattering things about EVERYONE...
I apologize, Gino, for our unquestionably rudest, most coarse example of American narrowmindedness. You'd be right to hate us if you thought we all emulated that kind of mentality.

It's almost amusing that the one person who has admitted being a liar calls everyone else liars. They say we hate the things in others which we subconsciously hate within ourselves...how true.




It's also cute that he thinks I haven't been here long enough to have an opinion, since I've only been here a year longer than him...

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.




Depends on which screen-name you are talking about ...2005 please.

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Monday, September 13, 2010 7:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, I saw a report on the reinforcing they've done and how much they've built. I'm guessing that MUCH reinforcing takes an awful lot of time to put in place, not like throwing up a pretty building. I do wish they'd make faster headway and hopefully give it a chance to stop being a morbid reminder, but it's across the nation from me, so easy to ignore.

Gino, just ignore him. He's only good for snarking and laughing at. He just enjoys trolling and getting attention.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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