UK needs to adopt tough US stance on earning welfare

UPDATED: Friday, February 25, 2011 13:41
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Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:09 AM


Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

This was interesting, and these kind of policies in the UK I think are overdue.

It's not personal. It's just war.


Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:12 AM


The UK is a liberals wet dream.

No guns (high crime)

Easy welfare (low productivity)

Zero tolerance laws (no freedom)

I say we watch them fall down and burn.

Might be a good lesson for the rest of the world.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"


Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:38 AM


"US Welfare Work Program" actually means:

1)Bus poor and/or minority inner city adults for hours to inconvenient workplaces that are pork barrel for the business friend of some corrupt politician. In the meantime, the kids of these workers go unsupervised and turn to crime or other dangerous activities which will lead to them doing poorly in school and themselves becoming poor and on welfare.

2)Welfare money in work programs is never enough to survive on, let alone support a family.

3)Scheduled appointments for welfare office and work shifts are at the same time and hours apart in opposite directions so workers have trouble meeting with their welfare officer. This way, welfare workers never get off welfare. New slave labour!

4)The system gets choked by bureaucracy and dies.

We're working on that last one.


Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:46 AM



Originally posted by Bytemite:
New slave labour!

Agreed. Except since I'm on this side of the pond, I spell it "labor."

"It is not my thorns that defend me. It is my perfume," says the rose. -- Paul Claudel


Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:49 AM


I thought you were overseas?

I'm American, I just have quirks like using British spelling. Not sure why.


Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:54 AM


I don't think it's wrong to expect people to work to receive benefits, and I find the 'entitlement' ideology disgusting.

My biggest concern is, can we find the jobs for these people and will these jobs interfere with the parents ability to take care of their children?

While I would like to see the single moms exempt from the working rule, I worry that such an exemption would cause some folks to have children for the purpose of receiving benefits. In any case, I believe single moms should have to do less work to receive benefits so that they do have time to spend with their children.


Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:59 PM


You forgot refuse to provide child care and then jack the parent up legally for unsupervised children cause they're at the legally mandated workplace out in heaven knows where - since the job sure as shit won't pay out enough to cover child care expenses, and of course the state will try to take the children and dump them into the meatgrinder of the foster care system, or if they're "high-value", pass them on to the "special friends", if you know what I mean.

But essentially, yeah, that's the way it works - I had to do what amounted to more or less a combat extraction on some poor girl screwed over by such a program, cause her work shift ended after bus service stopped, and she was being chased around by a gang that was burning furniture in the street - it was ugly.

If the folks in charge would for one fucking minute dismiss that goddamn wrong-headed propaganda and LOOK, actually LOOK at these people, and spend even one TENTH the time trying to help them get a leg up instead of just trying to harrass them off the rolls, we wouldn't BE in this position.

Think about it, they set up a rigged system designed to fail, and in the doing of that failure, harrass or drive off recipients (if not get them killed, cause that mighta happened to the girl I mentioned, yes ?) rather than assist them just to cut the numbers down, thus ensuring many turn to crime as the only alternative and then go on to whinge about the crime ?

And then consider all that money and resources wasted on what really amounts to a form of social torture for appeasing their own malicious opinions of the folk they've (theoretically) been assigned to help - and ponder what it MIGHT have done if there was a purpose behind it other than kicking people it's socially acceptable to kick ?

You wanna fix this, first things first, actually try to do it, instead of using that notion as an excuse, and then LOCAL incentives through tax breaks and educational assistance - we OUGHT to bring back paid apprenticeships, but of course, that doesn't jive with our current social drift in the direction of serf-labor and neofeudalism...


I do not serve the Blind God.


Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:38 PM


Beir bua agus beannacht

I think Byte and Frem have some valid points here. And Happy, I do hear that some women do have lots o babies to stay on, I don't know how true it is but I hear it everywhere.

I'm someone who believes that volunteer work is just as valid to society as paid work, people are being helped etc. Insert that wherever you like in this argument. I have rather disorganized views on the subject of wellfare, people getting it doesn't bother me as much as it bothers most folk. Something that kind of bugs me is that when a woman marries she gets automatically taken off, so women live with boyfriends instead of getting married because if they get married they don't get any help anymore, the dude could be dirt poor too after all, does his income get factored in too?

Anyways I think it can be hard to tell who's scamming the system and who's really in need of it. But I'm glad there are things like wellfare for people who do indeed need them.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya


Friday, February 25, 2011 1:41 PM



Originally posted by kpo:
This was interesting, and these kind of policies in the UK I think are overdue.

It's not personal. It's just war.

It is a lot easier to introduce this kind of thing when the economy is doing well. So it will probably be a couple of years yet before anything much happens.






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