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"Surprisingly, the Moon is a moderately bright gamma-ray source. The only part of the electromagnetic spectrum where the Moon is brighter than the Sun is gamma rays. The surface of the Moon is baldly exposed to cosmic rays and solar flares. When cosmic rays hit the ground, they produce a dangerous spray of secondary particles right at your feet, and trigger little nuclear reactions that release yet more radiation in the form of neutrons. The lunar surface itself is radioactive!"
-Dr Robert Naeye PhD, NASA GLAST Fermi Gamma Ray Space Telescope, Solar System: Sun, Moon, and Earth, 23 August 2007
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GLAST/science/solar_system.html

"Ordinary stars are simply not energetic enough to generate detectable levels of gamma rays. The one exception is the Sun, but only because of its close proximity to Earth. Surprisingly, the Moon is a moderately bright gamma-ray source. The only part of the electromagnetic spectrum where the Moon is brighter than the Sun is gamma rays. Being a cold, mostly inert object, the Moon is utterly incapable of producing gamma rays on its own. But cosmic-ray particles slamming into the lunar surface produce secondary gamma rays. Being a cold, mostly inert object, the Moon is utterly incapable of producing gamma rays on its own. But cosmic-ray particles slamming into the lunar surface produce secondary gamma rays. Earth itself is also a bright gamma-ray source. Fortunately for us, our planet's magnetic field and atmosphere prevent gamma rays from hitting the surface. But cosmic-ray interactions produce a steady and significant flux of gamma rays in the upper atmosphere. "
-Dr Robert Naeye PhD, NASA GLAST, FERMI GAMMA RAY SPACE TELESCOPE, "Solar System: Sun, Moon, and Earth", 23 August 2007
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GLAST/science/solar_system.html

"On the Moon, many of the things that can kill you are invisible: breathtaking vacuum, extreme temperatures and space radiation top the list. Vacuum and temperature NASA can handle; spacesuits and habitats provide plenty of air and insulation. Radiation, though, is trickier. The surface of the Moon is baldly exposed to cosmic rays and solar flares, and some of that radiation is very hard to stop with shielding. Furthermore, when cosmic rays hit the ground, they produce a dangerous spray of secondary particles right at your feet. All this radiation penetrating human flesh can damage DNA, boosting the risk of cancer and other maladies. For people to live and work on the Moon safely, the radiation problem must be solved. Out in deep space, radiation comes from all directions. On the Moon, you might expect the ground, at least, to provide some relief, with the solid body of the Moon blocking radiation from below. Not so. When galactic cosmic rays collide with particles in the lunar surface, they trigger little nuclear reactions that release yet more radiation in the form of neutrons. The lunar surface itself is radioactive! So which is worse for astronauts: cosmic rays from above or neutrons from below? Igor Mitrofanov, a scientist at the Institute for Space Research and the Russian Federal Space Agency, Moscow, offers a grim answer: "Both are worse." The first global mapping of neutron radiation from the Moon was performed by NASA's Lunar Prospector probe in 1998-99. Photo: The distribution of ground-level neutron radiation around the Moon's south pole. "Hot spots" are red; cool spots, blue. Credit: Lunar Prospector. With such knowledge in hand, scientists can begin designing spacesuits, lunar habitats, Moon vehicles, and other equipment for NASA's return to the Moon knowing exactly how much radiation shielding this equipment must have to keep humans safe." [PS: Dictator Hussein Obama Soetoro cancelled the Constellation Moon landing program.]
-Patrick L. Barry, Editor: Dr. Tony Phillips, "Radioactive Moon: How much radiation awaits lunar colonists? A new NASA mission aims to find out" Play Audio
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/08sep_radioa
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"I can't believe it!"
-Wife of Colonel Buzz Aldrin, commander, Apollo 11, July 20, 1969 as her husband walked on the moon

"As for walking on the moon, sometimes I wonder if that really happened. I can honestly say, and it's a great surprise to me, that I have never had a dream about being on the moon. It's a great disappointment to me."
-Lt Neil Armstrong, US Navy, Apollo 11, One Giant Leap page 303

"You are in the blackest black you could ever imagine. I have reached the statute of limitations on a secret of the space program: How do you... go to the bathroom? Then you hear 'bloop, bloop, bloop, blooooop. I never did find out what that was. Where's my huggy pillow?"
-Captain Ron Evans, US Navy, Apollo 17, died of "heart attack" on April 6, 1990 (aged 57)

"The coolest thing for me is hanging by a window just after sunrise and watch the stars in the big black dome of the sky as the Earth moves underneath. My eyes are really glued to the outside. It is just absolutely amazing, magical, wonderful thing to do that."
-Dr Kawpana Chawla live interview on Space Shuttle Columbia before being slowly cooked alive in curry sauce
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3734518559578754313

"How are we going to get to the Moon when we can't even talk between two buildings? I can't hear a word you're saying!"
-Gus Grissom, Apollo 1, famous last words before being murdered on the launch pad during a "routine" test

"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. This is the great dragon of chapter 12, Satan or Azazel. He has a number of names, but in each case, he is the king of all the demons, Lucifer, who became Satan."
-Revelation 9:11, Christian Bible, KJV with Forerunner Commentary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims_Progress

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Long-term, I see robotics prevailing on the moon. . . . The most important decision we'll have to make about space travel is whether to commit to a permanent human presence on Mars. Without it, we'll never be a true space-faring people.
—Colonel Buzz Aldrin alcoholic "moonwalker" on Apollo 11, Popular Mechanics, September 2007

‎I don't think the stories of science fiction we read in childhood are ever going to happen. People won't be rocketing around the solar system. . . People are fragile, and we cry when they die. Robots are fragile, but we don't cry when they die.
—John Mather, Nobel laureate and senior project scientist for the James Webb Space Telescope (Dr Webb was director of Apollo who resigned 1 month before the Apollo 11 "moonwalk), Discover magazine, September 2011

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Comments on the investigation into the Saturn V

by Dietrich von Schmausen

First of all, I am not qualified to attest to the validity of the mathematical conclusions presented in these papers, however notwithstanding all previous Apollo mission arguments both pro and con, and affording fair-minded consideration of both:

IF the conclusions reached in these papers are valid, then other events related to the Apollo 11 mission become more confounded – since a rocket was launched and a payload did achieve orbit around the Moon (as alleged by others).

AND If these calculations are correct: The astronauts would have needed to stay behind so that a (stripped down) robotic mission vehicle could be deployed to the Moon.

THEREFORE IF in fact the Saturn V was incapable of delivering the ‘full’ payload, it is conceivable that a ‘robotic’ mission would weigh less if:

1. It carried no water.
2. It carried no oxygen tanks.
3. It carried no crew.
4. It carried no spare suits.
5. It carried no food.
6. It carried no emergency supplies.
7. It carried no cabin seats.
8. It carried no golf club, hammer or feather.
9. It carried less fuel (fuel expenditure requirements for vehicle thrust to weight ratio having been decreased and no ascent fuel required for the LM).
10. It carried no cameras or film!

Basically, if anything needed by a manned mission, including the crew was eliminated, Voila! Huston, we have a lighter payload.

Furthermore, if my suppositions are wrong: it is still possible that the astronauts credited with the missions never actually went. Others may have gone in their place in order to ensure the survival of the ‘heroes’. And if this were true: if anyone actually went to the Moon, I don’t believe that they ever left the LM. Opening the LM and venturing onto the lunar surface would have presented too great an opportunity for catastrophic mission failure. A failure which might then force the reality of a Capricorn One scenario.

Consider the stark difference between the apparent carefree attitudes of the astronauts frolicking on the Moon, to the activities of Navy Salvage and Repair Divers.

The astronauts often demonstrated frivolous behavior, jumping, hopping along, singing ditties and wisecracking. They appeared to be happily tranquilized or totally unconcerned for their personal safety, when in fact any lapse in judgment or freak happenstance could result in either immediate death or injury with absolutely no hope of rescue. They did not exhibit behavior commensurate with the extreme nature of their situation. Navy Salvage and Repair Divers practice maximum discipline and show a serious attitude while working under very similar conditions. Although in this regard there was a significant difference: These divers are tethered to safety lines, the astronauts were not!

Since I believe that the lunar surface photographic records were ALL ‘Promotional Fabrications’, until I see further unequivocal evidence of a ‘real mission’ I speculate the following:

a. The entire mission record was pre-recorded during LEO ‘practice’ missions including filming the Earth from the command module by using a distant image of the Earth taped to a cabin window.

b. The LEM, sensors, laser markers and other instruments were deployed robotically. This could account for tracks ‘supposedly’ photographed by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter [LRO] and claimed to be those of the Modular Equipment Transporter.

c. Pre-recorded mission events were transmitted to Earth from a robotic package delivered to the Moon’s surface.

http://www.aulis.com/saturn_v.htm

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Originally posted by fivver:
Some skeptics suspect the LRO photos only prove robots walked on the Moon.

"Look ma, LEM landing on earth."

Look fool, Apollo 9:

Apollo 9, the third manned mission in the American Apollo space program, was the first flight of the Command/Service Module (CSM) with the Lunar Module (LM). Its three-person crew, consisting of Commander Jim McDivitt, Command Module Pilot David Scott, and Lunar Module Pilot Rusty Schweickart, tested several aspects critical to landing on the Moon, including the LM engines, backpack life support systems, navigation systems, and docking maneuvers. The mission was the second manned launch of a Saturn V rocket.

After launching on March 3, 1969, the crewmen spent ten days in low Earth orbit. They performed the first manned flight of a LM, the first docking and extraction of a LM, two spacewalks, and the first docking of two manned spacecraft. The mission proved the LM worthy of manned spaceflight. Further tests on the Apollo 10 mission would prepare the LM for its ultimate goal, landing on the Moon.

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The astronauts often demonstrated frivolous behavior, jumping, hopping along, singing ditties and wisecracking. They appeared to be happily tranquilized or totally unconcerned for their personal safety, when in fact any lapse in judgment or freak happenstance could result in either immediate death or injury with absolutely no hope of rescue. They did not exhibit behavior commensurate with the extreme nature of their situation. Navy Salvage and Repair Divers practice maximum discipline and show a serious attitude while working under very similar conditions. Although in this regard there was a significant difference: These divers are tethered to safety lines, the astronauts were not!
http://www.aulis.com/saturn_v.htm

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John Lee, American "NASA moons USA" site[277] owner whose film "We Never Went to the Moon" received the "Music Video of the Year" award in 2005.[278]
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Moon_Hoax

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I want to be sure I understand your argument. You say very little but copy a lot of material.

Your argument is that robotic devices went to the moon and were the source for mission debris there.

So either these robots were radio controlled to make their landings and explorations, or some kind of computer was sent up with a program capable of carrying out these landings and explorations.

This is why there is debris and rover tracks on the moon? Because of the robot explorers?

Is that your argument?

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"No rocket will reach the moon save by a miraculous discovery of an explosive far more energetic than any known. And even if the requisite fuel were produced, it would still have to be shown that the rocket machine would operate at 459 degrees below zero—the temperature of interplanetary space."
—Dr Nikola Tesla PhD, with over 700 patents

"Landing and moving around the moon offers so many serious problems for human beings that it may take science another 200 years to lick them."
—Science Digest, August 1948

"The rocket worked perfectly except for landing on the wrong planet."
—Nazi Wernher von Braun in his underground ICBM lair that genocided 25,000 slaves, upon learning that the first V-2 has successfuly bombed London

"By the year 2000 we will undoubtedly have a sizable operation on the Moon, we will have achieved a manned Mars landing and it's entirely possible we will have flown with men to the outer planets."
—NASA Nazi Wernher von Braun

"As chairman of the Senate subcommittee responsible for NASA appropriations, I say not a penny for this nutty fantasy."
—Senator William Proxmire, 1977 (Golden Fleece Awards)

"In my view it will not be long before space becomes a battleground."
—Lieutenant General Edward Anderson, deputy commander of US Northern Command, hours after China became the third country after the US and the former Soviet Union to allegedly put a man in space, 15 October 2003

"Control of space means control of the world."
—President Lyndon B. Johnson, assassin of President JFK and Butcher of Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos/Thailand

"I am not a crook!"
-President Tricky Dick Nixon during Apollo (assassin of JFK and author of Operation Northwoods)

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The DC-X was never designed to achieve orbital altitudes or velocity, but instead to demonstrate the concept of vertical take off and landing. The vertical take off and landing concept was popular in science fiction films from the 1950s (Rocketship X-M, Destination Moon, and others), but not seen in real world designs. It would take off vertically like standard rockets, but also land vertically with the nose up. This design used attitude control thrusters and retro rockets to control the descent, allowing the craft to begin reentry nose-first, but then roll around and touch down on landing struts at its base.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

So you believe there is actually nothing on the moon. This evidence has all been faked, right down to photographs of the lunar surface taken from space. Man can not have gone to the moon. Robots could not have gone to the moon. We can not, in fact, land on an airless planetoid.

I have heard that there are reflectors on the moon. That we can point lasers at them and get a reflection.

Have you heard this? And what do you think about it?

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Re: Reflectors

I thought you did not believe that the Russians put a robot on the moon. I also thought that you did not believe that we could land on an airless planetoid. Did I misunderstand you?

Are you saying we can land on airless planetoids and deposit robots on the moon? I just want to understand your actual argument. So far I am having trouble viewing it consistently.

Now, in terms of the laser reflector...

Are you saying that there is NO laser reflector on the moon, or are you saying that we have been using the Russian reflector all this time, despite its location being a 37 year old mystery according to the article you quoted?

Which of these things is the thing you believe?

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Originally posted by piratenews:
To me, the preponderance of the evidence proves no humans, no robots and no reflectors are on the Moon, not from USA and not from Russia, and especially not using technology from the 1960s/1970s. The "wire-loom magnetic-bead computer" (looks like an abacus) on the Apollo LEM only had 32k RAM.

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The only way rockets can land without crashing is to use CONTINUOUS firing of rocket motor AND thrusters. But it's impossible to carry enough fuel to do that on the Moon.

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Originally posted by piratenews:
To me, the preponderance of the evidence proves no humans, no robots and no reflectors are on the Moon, not from USA and not from Russia, and especially not using technology from the 1960s/1970s. The "wire-loom magnetic-bead computer" (looks like an abacus) on the Apollo LEM only had 32k RAM.

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The only way rockets can land without crashing is to use CONTINUOUS firing of rocket motor AND thrusters. But it's impossible to carry enough fuel to do that on the Moon.

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The Moon is not the Earth, there is a bit of a difference in gravity.

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The Moon's gravitational field varies widely depending on location, and little is currently known about the gravitational field of the far side of the Moon. In order to keep track of the Moon's gravity, the gravitational model that is currently used contains 20,000 variables. According to Mark, LRO will be tracked from Earth and the ground tracking data will be combined with the data from LRO to better constrain the Moon's gravity model.

http://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov/team-mark_beckman.html

Gravity model error is the largest source of orbit error for LRO.
http://cddis.gsfc.nasa.gov/lw16/docs/presentations/sci_2_Smith.pdf

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Anybody can bounce radio signals off the dusty surface of the Moon without using an Apollo reflector, using a homemade radio antenna in their backyard, and Nasa has been doing that before Apollo landed "reflectors" on the Moon.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Thank you for clarifying your views. In your opinion, nothing has ever landed on the moon. Not robots, not people, not even reflectors.

I am not sure why you replied to my questions about moon reflectors with information about a soviet robot with reflectors on top. It is hard for me to understand that kind of response when you don't believe in any such thing. I would ask that you not use information in your replies that you don't believe in. It will save time and make the discussion more meaningful.

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1. Institute mandatory psych testing of all govt employees. Everyone testing as psychopathic, sociopathic or narcissistic would be immediately banned forever from govt employment, put on a public database, given a GPS tracker bracelet to wear for the rest of their life, mandated to wear a dunce hat saying the word PSYCHOPATH on it for everyone to identify them (option to tatoo it on their forehead).

2. Arrest every govt employee in CIA, Pentagon, White House, FBI and Dallas PD who conspired to murder president JFK. Give them a public jury trial, find them guilty, sentence them to death, execute them publicly, then leave their bodies to rot on spikes on the White House lawn.

3. Arrest every govt employee in CIA, Pentagon, White House, FBI and Dallas PD who conspired to murder 1.5-million people on 9/11/2001 and the resultant wars. Give them a public jury trial, find them guilty, sentence them to death, execute them publicly, then leave their bodies to rot on spikes on the White House lawn.

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"We believe that within a period of five to ten years, it would be possible to produce a synthetic biological agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired. Within the next five to ten years, it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could be different in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organism. Most importantly, it might be damaging to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease. A research program to explore feasibility could be completed in approximately five years at a cost of $10 million. It is a highly controversial issue and there are many who believe such research should not be undertaken, lest it lead to yet another method of mass killing of large populations."
—Dr. Donald MacArthur, RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, TEST, AND EVALUATION, Department of the Army, Statement of Director, Advanced Research Project Agency, Statement of Director, Defense Research and Engineering, SYNTHETIC BIOLOGICAL AGENTS HOUSE BILL 15090, UNITED STATES SENATE LIBRARY, U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE, Department of Defense Appropriations for 1970. Hearings before a Subcommittee of the APPROPRIATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, Ninety-First Congress, first session, July 1, 1969, testimony on June 9, 1969 (FULL TEXT HTML -- JPG Image Scan of HB 15090)
http://www.boydgraves.com
www.umoja-research.com/aids_murder_docs.htm
http://community-2.webtv.net/LikingLArry/IsTheAIDSVirusMan/
www.aidsbiowar.com
www.tetrahedron.org
www.whale.to/m/scott7.html

"PATHOGENIC MYCOPLASMA - The invention relates to a novel pathogenic mycoplasma isolated from patients with Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) or patients dying from diseases and symptoms resembling AIDS diseases. The invention further relates to a variety of vaccinations against mycoplasma infection in humans and/or animals."
—US Patent Office, Patent Number 5,242,820, Inventor Stryh-Cheng Lo and American Registry of Pathology in Washington DC, Filed June 6, 1991, continuation date June 18, 1986
www.gulfwarvets.com/mycoplas.htm

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Thank you for clarifying your views. In your opinion, nothing has ever landed on the moon. Not robots, not people, not even reflectors.

I am not sure why you replied to my questions about moon reflectors with information about a soviet robot with reflectors on top. It is hard for me to understand that kind of response when you don't believe in any such thing. I would ask that you not use information in your replies that you don't believe in. It will save time and make the discussion more meaningful.

Now, what standard of evidence will be required to prove to you that something has landed on the moon? Is there any type of evidence that might be able to convince you?

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1. Institute mandatory psych testing of all govt employees. Everyone testing as psychopathic, sociopathic or narcissistic would be immediately banned forever from govt employment, put on a public database, given a GPS tracker bracelet to wear for the rest of their life, mandated to wear a dunce hat saying the word PSYCHOPATH on it for everyone to identify them (option to tatoo it on their forehead).

2. Arrest every govt employee in CIA, Pentagon, White House, FBI and Dallas PD who conspired to murder president JFK. Give them a public jury trial, find them guilty, sentence them to death, execute them publicly, then leave their bodies to rot on spikes on the White House lawn.

3. Arrest every govt employee in CIA, Pentagon, White House, FBI, NYPD and FDNY who conspired to murder 1.5-million people on 9/11/2001 and the resultant wars. Give them a public jury trial, find them guilty, sentence them to death, execute them publicly, then leave their bodies to rot on spikes on the White House lawn.

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"We believe that within a period of five to ten years, it would be possible to produce a synthetic biological agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired. Within the next five to ten years, it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could be different in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organism. Most importantly, it might be damaging to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease. A research program to explore feasibility could be completed in approximately five years at a cost of $10 million. It is a highly controversial issue and there are many who believe such research should not be undertaken, lest it lead to yet another method of mass killing of large populations."
—Dr. Donald MacArthur, RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, TEST, AND EVALUATION, Department of the Army, Statement of Director, Advanced Research Project Agency, Statement of Director, Defense Research and Engineering, SYNTHETIC BIOLOGICAL AGENTS HOUSE BILL 15090, UNITED STATES SENATE LIBRARY, U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE, Department of Defense Appropriations for 1970. Hearings before a Subcommittee of the APPROPRIATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, Ninety-First Congress, first session, July 1, 1969, testimony on June 9, 1969 (FULL TEXT HTML -- JPG Image Scan of HB 15090)
http://www.boydgraves.com
www.umoja-research.com/aids_murder_docs.htm
http://community-2.webtv.net/LikingLArry/IsTheAIDSVirusMan/
www.aidsbiowar.com
www.tetrahedron.org
www.whale.to/m/scott7.html

"PATHOGENIC MYCOPLASMA - The invention relates to a novel pathogenic mycoplasma isolated from patients with Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) or patients dying from diseases and symptoms resembling AIDS diseases. The invention further relates to a variety of vaccinations against mycoplasma infection in humans and/or animals."
—US Patent Office, Patent Number 5,242,820, Inventor Stryh-Cheng Lo and American Registry of Pathology in Washington DC, Filed June 6, 1991, continuation date June 18, 1986
www.gulfwarvets.com/mycoplas.htm

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"Seeing the bright blue sky turning pitch-black and seeing stars appear while it is day time is absolutely mind-blowing."
-Astronaut visits South Africa after SpaceShipOne trip, March 30, 2005
http://web.archive.org/web/20071118005912/http://flysouth.co.za/prime/
archiveprime/2005-04-01/Astronaut+visits+SA+after+SpaceShipOne+trip.shtml

"Flying the U-2 is real interesting. Unlike flying down lower in the atmosphere like most airplanes, some of the visual sights you see up there are incredible. In daytime, the sky looks a lot different up there. Above all the haze and everything in the atmosphere, the sky is a lot darker, almost purple. It is really an amazing sight. Every once in a while during a mission, you just have to stop and really take a look around and appreciate what you've got up there. "Night time is a little different also. The air is so much clearer up there; you can see what seems to be 10 times more stars. They just carpet the sky."
-Capt. Dean Neeley, U-2 pilot, January 23, 1998
http://web.archive.org/web/20021224134737/http://www2.acc.af.mil/accne
ws/jan98/980025.html

When Neil started as a professor at the University of Cincinnati in 1970, news executives from the area's radio, TV, and print media were summoned to a downtown restaurant to hear an ultimatum: they were not to request interviews with the space hero who would be living in their midst, because none would be granted; they were to totally ignore his presence and not consider it legitimate news. Amazingly, the group agreed—with one exception. Lawrence H. Rogers, then head of Taft Broadcasting Corporation, owners of a chain of television and radio stations in the region, howled in protest. "The reason they gave was that Neil had no secretary and would be overwhelmed with requests. I raised my hand and said, 'That's the most preposterous thing I have ever heard.' I told them Armstrong was the most famous explorer since Christopher Columbus; it would have been criminal journalistically to not write about him and praise what he had accomplished."
-One Giant Leap by Leon Wagener, page 298
http://www.erichufschmid.net/MoreInfoForScienceChallenge.html

Contrary to NASA scientists, Astronauts Can See Stars!
http://www.erichufschmid.net/Astro-Nuts-see-stars.html


Space Shuttle sees stars that did not exist during apollo

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

It sounds like you are saying that you will believe no evidence about landings on the moon until the government is essentially overthrown.

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If the arrest, trial, and execution of present and past leaders of this country is part of your required standard of evidence, then I'm afraid we'll have to table this discussion until after a future, violent revolution has occurred.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I want to discuss the moon landings, but we have come to a sticking point. You want various people tried and executed as a standard of evidence for the moon landings. So we are stuck.

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The US government has sued a former NASA astronaut Edgar Mitchell to recover a camera used to explore the Moon's surface during the 1971 Apollo 14 mission after seeing it slated for sale at a New York auction. The lawsuit, filed in Miami federal court, accuses Edgar Mitchell of illegally possessing the camera and attempting to sell it for profit.

http://aulis.com/news221.htm

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Instead of studying engineering and aeronautics and physics, you probably should have studied some basic photography, PN. You might have learned a few things about light, reflections, foreshortening, perspective, and more.

But for someone whom nobody convinced, and who wouldn't listen to anybody, you sure do post a lot of pictures emblazoned with the opinions and conjecture of other people, in an effort to try to convince *US*.


ETA: This one especially cracks me up.



It's obvious that the poster has no idea what a Hasselblad camera is, or how it works, and assumes that the only way a picture can ever be taken with a camera is by holding it up to one's eye to aim it through the viewfinder. Medium-format cameras like the Hasselblad aren't really set up that way. They're generally held at chest level or waist level, and aimed by looking DOWN into the viewfinder which is viewed from the top of the camera body, looking down.

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The thing about conspiracy theories is that they are a comfort. If some evil, all-controlling force is responsible for all that is wrong in the world, then that means that someone is in charge! That it isn't all just random.

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"It's easy to imagine an infinite number of situations where the government might legitimately give out false information. It's an unfortunate reality that the issuance of incomplete information and even misinformation by government may sometimes be perceived as necessary to protect vital interests."
—US Solicitor-General Theodore "Ted" Olson, in Jennifer K. Harbury vs. United States (US Govt confessed CIA perps terrorism and tortures US citizens to death), at the US Supreme Court, on 17 March 2002 (his estranged 3rd wife Barabara Olson, attoney at law and CNN talkinghead disappeared on September 11, 2001, allegedly on American Airlines Flight 77 that never hit the Pentagon)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=US
&case=/us/000/01%2D394.html

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
-William Colby, Director CIA, assassinated 60,000 people via CIA Death Squads in Vietnam Wars with Phoenix Project ("drowned" in a suspicious "canoe crash" while cooking dinner in Washington DC)

"I am not a crook!"
-President Tricky Dick Nixon, in charge of Operation Northwoods assassination program, during Apollo (he resigned to avoid arrest for assassination of President JFK by his Watergate burglers E Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis the 3 tramps arrested in Dealel Plaza)

Dick Nixon: "Tell Ehrlichman this whole group of Cubans [Watergate burglars] is tied to the Bay of Pigs."
HR Erlichman: "The Bay of Pigs? What does that have to do with this [the Watergate burglary]?" Nixon: "Ehrlichman will know what I mean."

"It seems that in all of those Nixon references to the Bay of Pigs, he was actually referring to the Kennedy assassination."
-H. R. Haldeman, Nixon's convicted White House Chief of Staff, The Ends of Power
http://mtracy9.tripod.com/kennedy.html


CIA agent E Howard Hunt under arrest in Dealey Plaza and Watergate


CIA agent E Howard Hunt under arrest in Dealey Plaza

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BTW I'm a professional photographer and videographer, trained in college. It's quite difficult to get perfect composition, focus and exposure as seen in Apollo, even when using viewfinders, autofocus, flash and tripods (none of which Apollo had).

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:

I have a conspiricy theorist "friend" who was convinced that the moon landings were faked untill he read in another conspiricist publication that the Apollo astronauts found evidence of Alien bases on the Moon, now he is convinced that "they" are covering up the existence of Aliens.

In short, people will believe what they want to believe.

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Apollo 14 astronaut claims aliens HAVE made contact - but it has been covered up for 60 years

Apollo 14 astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell, said he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with NASA but each one was covered up.

Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.'

He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head.

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is 'not nearly as sophisticated' as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned 'we would be been gone by now'.

Dr Mitchell, along with with Apollo 14 commander Alan Shepard, holds the record for the longest ever moon walk, at nine hours and 17 minutes following their 1971 mission.

'I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real,' Dr Mitchell said.

'It's been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it's leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it.

'I've been in military and intelligence circles, who know that beneath the surface of what has been public knowledge, yes - we have been visited. Reading the papers recently, it's been happening quite a bit.'

Do you want to kNWO more?

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1037471/Apollo-14-astronaut-cl
aims-aliens-HAVE-contact--covered-60-years.html



Edgar Mitchell, Former Astronaut, Sued By NASA For Trying To Sell Apollo Camera

The space shuttle isn't the only old piece of NASA equipment that's making headlines. The space agency has filed suit against Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell in an attempt to reclaim a 40-year-old camera.

A federal lawsuit filed Wednesday in Miami claims that Mitchell, the lunar module pilot and sixth man to walk on the moon, illegally tried to auction off a camera he used during his 1971 lunar mission.

"Defendant Edgar Mitchell is a former NASA employee who is exercising improper dominion and control over a NASA Data Acquisition Camera," NASA alleged in court documents obtained by The Palm Beach Post.

Not so, says Mitchell.

"The thing had been sitting in my safe for 40 years -- I got it right after the mission," Mitchell told AOL.

The camera in question, used to photograph a variety of aspects of the Apollo 14 mission, was estimated to have been worth between $60,000 and $80,000 by Bonhams auction house.

According to the lawsuit, any equipment used on board Apollo missions remains the property of NASA and the space agency had no record of giving the camera to Mitchell.

The astronaut disagrees.

"The lunar modules didn't come back from the moon and everything in them -- all the equipment -- was considered government throwaways and it was deliberately crashed into the moon to ring seismometers that we set up to get data from inside the moon. However, we had an agreement with NASA management at that point that little things, like the cameras, could be kept," said Mitchell, a trained engineer and scientist and author of "The Way of the Explorer," who founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences in 1973. "That was standard practice and it was approved by NASA as incentive stuff."

He says that until he put the camera up for auction with the intention of raising cash for his research organization, Quantrek, the government never asked him to return it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/01/govt-sues-astro-edgar-mitchel
l-for-moon-camera_n_888920.html

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“If we discovered that space aliens were planning to attack and we needed a massive buildup to counter the space alien threat and really inflation and budget deficits took secondary place to that, this slump would be over in 18 months. And then if we discovered, oops, we made a mistake, there aren’t any aliens, we’d be better. There was a Twilight Zone episode like this in which scientists fake an alien threat in order to achieve world peace. Well, this time…we need it in order to get some fiscal stimulus."
-Paul Krugman, CNN
NYT jew Paul Krugman: 'We need an invasion by space aliens and false-flag terror bombing to save Obama'
http://www.infowars.com/krugman-calls-on-government-to-manufacture-war
-to-save-economy/

"You could see the Earth, the moon and the stars with each rotation of the spacecraft. The stars were literally brighter for me. It was an awesome, awe-inspiring view of the heavens."
-Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14

"No manned spacecraft now exists that can withstand the radiation from the Van Allen belts, through which a craft must traverse to make it to the Moon."
-SpaceCast News Service, March 9, 1998
http://spacedaily.com/news/lunar-98h.html

"There are great ideas, undiscovered breakthroughs available, to those who can remove one of truths protective layers."
-Lt Neil Armstrong, White House, 20 July 1994

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