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Hope none of y'all are Penn State football fans... this'll just make ya sick.

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Monday, November 7, 2011 9:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


And angry, too.

Things are definitely NOT very happy in Happy Valley.


Quote:

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Two top Penn State officials charged with covering up allegations of an explosive child-sex abuse scandal related to former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky vacated their positions Sunday after an emergency meeting of the university's Board of Trustees.

Penn State athletic director Tim Curley requested to be placed on administrative leave so he could devote the time needed to defend himself against perjury and other charges, university president Graham Spanier said. Gary Schultz, vice president for finance and business, will step down and go back into retirement, Spanier said. He declined to comment to reporters after the meeting.

Resignations of famed football coach Joe Paterno and Spanier were not discussed at the meeting, which was arranged Sunday and lasted two hours, university spokesman Bill Mahon said.

Curley and Schultz were charged Saturday after a grand jury investigation of Sandusky, who has charged with sexually abusing eight boys over 15 years. Lawyers for all three men have said their clients are innocent.


http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7201952/penn-state-nitt
any-lions-tim-curley-takes-leave-gary-schultz-steps-amid-scandal?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter






" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, November 7, 2011 10:14 AM

BYTEMITE


Heard about that over the weekend. It's pretty sick. They're charging the administrators, and I think they probably were covering it up.

Harassment of some kind or another is probably pretty widespread even among college teams though. Whether it's pedophiles or someone buying female "entertainment" for the team.

I hope that my team doesn't engage in it, but, and this is me speaking as a Ute fan, if it can happen at BYU with their honor code, it can happen anywhere. The only difference is other places won't punish their players for bad behaviour.

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Monday, November 7, 2011 10:28 AM

STORYMARK


His autobiography just took on a new meaning....



"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, November 7, 2011 1:43 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Heard about that over the weekend. It's pretty sick. They're charging the administrators, and I think they probably were covering it up.

Harassment of some kind or another is probably pretty widespread even among college teams though. Whether it's pedophiles or someone buying female "entertainment" for the team.

I hope that my team doesn't engage in it, but, and this is me speaking as a Ute fan, if it can happen at BYU with their honor code, it can happen anywhere. The only difference is other places won't punish their players for bad behaviour.




Yup, I get the feeling this is like the Catholic priest thing - this is just the tip (pun not intended) of the iceberg. I'd bet it's more widespread than most folks would like to believe, just like the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church. And the Baptists, of course.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, November 7, 2011 1:44 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
His autobiography just took on a new meaning....



"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"





Ooooohhhhh... As Jerry Seinfeld once said, "This is gonna be a shame..."

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, November 7, 2011 2:39 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


I thought homosexual pedophila was a Constitutional right?

That's what the Democrat Liberals say, so it must be true.

Meanwhile, jewish rabbis can suck the penis of little jew babies as their religious freedom, even when it kills them.
http://piratenews.org/jewish-rabbis-suck-dick.html

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Monday, November 7, 2011 2:44 PM

BYTEMITE


PN, civil rights are intended for homosexuals, not homosexual pedophiles.

In different terms, child molestation, pedophilia, and statutory rape would still be a crime, but certain forms of sodomy would not.

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Monday, November 7, 2011 3:43 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
I thought homosexual pedophila was a Constitutional right?




Somehow, it comes as no surprise to me that you believe this. Are you a Baptist youth minister by any chance? If not, you probably should be.

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Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:48 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-
to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1&emc=na


Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.

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Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:41 AM

FREMDFIRMA



More Info:
http://jonathanturley.org/2011/11/06/not-so-happy-valley/#more-41306

Of course, it's Pennsylvania, and the rot goes deeper than just this - rememeber those two judges, and how the state completely balked at any further investigation of the juvie justice system and tried to shove it under the rug...

There's a bunch of rottenness there, and I've sent the twins to go dig into it since for medical reasons I am stuck here for prettymuch the rest of eternity.

-F

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Tuesday, November 8, 2011 11:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Other than ancient Greece or modern day Afghanistan, how does anyone see that sort of stuff going on and NOT call the cops? I mean, even if you manage to suppress the urge to take a baseball bat to the head of this former assistant coach, right then and there, how does NO ONE follow up w/ a police report ?

That this guy's book it titled 'Touched', is beyond sickening. And that this story came out AFTER JoePa's 'historic' total # of victories, can't be overlooked either. The AD sat on this story , knowing damn well what went on, still let this pedo use the school facilities, as if all was right in the world.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, November 8, 2011 11:50 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
I thought homosexual pedophila was a Constitutional right?


Its important when we hear stories like this that we all take a moment, sit back and consider and then rush to judgement and presume guilt.


H

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Tuesday, November 8, 2011 12:27 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Its important when we hear stories like this that we all take a moment, sit back and consider and then rush to judgement and presume guilt.


H



A valid point. We don't have to look back too far to see how that a rush to judgement often leads us to the wrong conclusions.

Duke La Cross Team ? Didn't gang rape that 'dancer'.

Gary Condit ? Didn't kill Chandra Levy.

Vince Foster ? Apparently wasn't killed off by Hilary Clinton, and dumped in Ft Marcy Park.

( OK, maybe that's not the best example, but the other two certainly were cases of conviction in the court of public opinion. )

But as for Sandusky... I've not heard anyone deny anything yet. I'm just sayin'.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:14 PM

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 6:30 AM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


Head coach Joe Paterno to step down...at the end of the season of course.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7211281/penn-state-nitt
any-lions-joe-paterno-retire-end-season


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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Cuda77:
Head coach Joe Paterno to step down...at the end of the season of course.



Many are thinking he doesn't make it to this weekend's game. Joe may want to step down on his own terms, but I'd be surprised if he's still there come Monday.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 3:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Fingers crossed that Penn State will hire Mack Brown to replace him!

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 6:10 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


8:00 PM California time-- Paterno and the College President fired immediately.

Whew! That's a shocker-- when I left the house at 4:00 PM, not a word of it.

The trustees moved at the speed of light, almost.

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:41 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Wow! Just now got the news, from here. Local sports guy was saying on his radio show that JoePa would be out as coach by 7pm est. There was a feeling it was gonnq happen, and before Sat, but wow. Stunning


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:37 AM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


Good. Proud of Penn State for doing the right thing. Clean out everybody who had knowledge of what was happening before the story broke and didn't do anything like calling the police.

Socialist and unashamed about it.


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Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


And students rioting because they love JP as much as they love their football program?

Jimminy, where are their priorities? I've heard that there could be upwards of 20 kids molested over 15 years... these were young at-risk boys kids brought into Sandusky's "care" for a stardust trip though the campus, the football games, the football program, and the football showers and Sandusky's home for a nice sleepover. Talk about a conveyor of boys ripe for the picking!

The rioting students should be ashamed of themselves. The abuse makes me sick, but the student reaction makes me sicker.


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Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


As the operative said, " It's worse than you know "

Reports are now that up to 40 kids were now violated, repeatedly, over a span of decades.

Want more ? Claims are coming out that some high $ donors to Sandusky's youth program were 'treated' with young boys themselves. Seems he may have actually pimped out young boys.



JoePa didn't actually condone any of this, as far as anyone knows, I'm guessing he was just covering for an old friend/ co-worker, and protecting the brand of his school. Penn State.

How'd that work out for ya, Joe ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:16 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
And students rioting because they love JP as much as they love their football program?

Jimminy, where are their priorities? I've heard that there could be upwards of 20 kids molested over 15 years... these were young at-risk boys kids brought into Sandusky's "care" for a stardust trip though the campus, the football games, the football program, and the football showers and Sandusky's home for a nice sleepover. Talk about a conveyor of boys ripe for the picking!

The rioting students should be ashamed of themselves. The abuse makes me sick, but the student reaction makes me sicker.


A-Fuckin-MEN, Siggy.

I wanna take each and every one of em, slam em into a wall face-first a couple times and demand "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!" myself...

Seriously, I don't think I can even comment further without devolving into incomprehensible angrish.

FUCK! PINHEADS! LIFE! STUPIDS... GWAAARGGHHARGLE!
*foamfoamfoam*

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


JoePa didn't condone it, but neither did he shitcan the guy when he knew about it. Reports are saying - sourced from some who heard/read grand jury testimony - that at least one of the coaching staff walked in on Sandusky sodomizing a 10 year-old boy. And turned around and walked out, and went and reported what he saw.

How the fuck does anyone walk in on that and just leave without bouncing Sandusky's head off the benches for 20 minutes or so first?

And when it was reported, when evidence kept piling up, JoePa and the university decided that the school's reputation was more important than the scandal that would erupt if the news got out.

As Rap said, "How'd that work out for ya?"

On this one, I'm pretty much in complete agreement with Rappy.

JoePa had a long and rich tradition, and pissed it away. Hell, these idiots make the Catholic Church look smart - at least they had the "decency" to ship their wayward priests to other parishes. JoePa and Penn State kept their worst offender right there under their roof, and kept bringing him more boys, even as late as the last few weeks.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:36 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


I was shocked last night, in a positive way, and meant to praise the University for acting so quickly, even if it was OVER-REACTING-- this was a case of better to be over-reactive and Clean out the problem, no matter the cost. And that seems to have been the flaw in JoePa and the University president-- they did the minimum required, but were not personally outraged enough to have gotten involved and gone an extra mile. Hell, not an extra inch.

But now I'm pissed at the student body. Winning football games seems to be more important than protecting children from sexual abuse, than crime, than obeying the law. There are some football obsessed colleges that I would have expected to react in that fashion, but not any school that had any concern about pride, honor, justice, or courage.

I wonder if this falls within the NCAA's juristiction. Can they, should they, will they, penalize the school for this awful business; or are they just concerned about recruiting violations and improper academic and financial aid to "scholar-athletes"?

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:26 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Remember when I said it's worse than we know ?

It is, even more so.

Quote:

By Teresa Masterson
NBCPhiladelphia.com

It is strange that Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar never prosecuted Jerry Sandusky on child-rape charges 13 years ago, some speculate, because Gricar was known for being fiercely independent and hard on crime.

But it is even stranger that we cannot ask Gricar why Sandusky was not put behind bars, because the tough-as-nails district attorney disappeared in 2005. And though he was declared dead July of this year, his body has never been found.


"People ask why Ray did not prosecute, and I have no problem saying, because he clearly felt he didn't have a case for a 'successful' prosecution," Tony Gricar, Ray Gricar’s nephew , told The Patriot-News.
"... One thing I can say is that Ray was beholden to no one, was not a politician."

This district attorney had “a bitter taste in his mouth for the [Penn State] program, and its coach,” according to his nephew, and never prosecuted Sandusky. He disappeared on April 15, 2005 after telling his girlfriend that he was going on a drive.
Ray Gricar’s car was found the next day in a Lewisburg parking lot and his laptop, sans hard drive, was found in the Susquehanna River, according to the Patriot-News.

Ray Gricar’s friend, Montour County District Attorney Robert Buehner Jr., told the New York Times that if the ardent district attorney had committed suicide, he would have wanted his body found. But in the case of possible foul play, no suspects have emerged from investigations.



And slightly less conspiratorial? JoePa had won his 409th football game, the most ever by a Div 1 football coach, on Oct 29th.

The story on Sandusky ? Broke after that win, not at any time in the YEARS before, when it could have....

Make of that what you will.

Oh, and this just in, the Board of Trustees has 'requested' that McQueary not be on the sidelines for the game this weekend. I'm guessing he won't be on the sidelines for any PSU football game, ever again. Certainly not as a member of the coaching staff.




"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:09 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been ‘Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors’
http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimpin
g-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html


Quote:

On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.

What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.

"I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state's top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor's original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?"

Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.

"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."


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Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:06 PM

BYTEMITE


The students supporting a long history of cover-ups... It may be the court of public opinion and not the justice department, but people supporting someone if the allegations like this are even possibly true, just because they're a football coach?

And old friends of the main coach are coming out of the woodworks... Certain people I REALLY don't like myself, and considering the HYPOCRISY I've seen from them, well, I have to wonder.

I think we're about to see just how BIG this whole awful thing REALLY was, and I am starting to think it was NOT just Penn State who was in on it.

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:21 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Which is why I sent in the twins.

There's something rotten here, and I think it important to find out exactly what.

-F

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:49 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



Joe Paterno's criminal lawyer knows all about snuff kiddie porn by his client George Bush at Bohemian Grove

I hope Mark Madden's car don't explode, now that Joe Parteno hired the criminal defense lawyer for pedophile serial killer President George HW Bush in Iran-Contra narcoterrorism trials and convictions of dozens of White house staff, when dozens of eyewitnesses and investigators were murdered in Warren Buffet's pedophile cannibal snuff kiddie porn at Bohemian Grove Franklin Coverup.

"Notorious shit-stirrer" Mark Madden is now on point. "Students rioted at Penn State last night, proving that another step should be taken: The rest of Penn State’s season must be canceled.
Cancel the game. Cancel the season. Give Penn State’s football program the death penalty for at least a year. Clean out every last vestige of the scandal, then start over fresh. Let players transfer and petition the NCAA to give them immediate eligibility at their new schools.
Is that unfair to the current team? Sure. But you’ve got to serve the greater good. Innocents catch shrapnel all the time. Finishing this season not only prolongs the circus, it takes it on the road. Again, tell me what good can come from that. I bet we see a few more shocking twists and turns. It gets worse before it gets better."
http://www.1059thex.com/pages/markmadden.html

An Interview With The Radio Host Who Dropped That Jerry Sandusky Kiddie-Sex-Ring Rumor On Everybody
http://deadspin.com/mark-madden/

On April 3, 2011, his Beaver County Times column addressed a then-current grand jury investigation into alleged child sexual abuse by former Penn State football assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, suggesting the possibility of a Penn State cover-up.[1] After Sandusky was indicted on over 40 felony charges, sparking a firestorm that claimed the jobs of longtime Penn State head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier, Madden appeared on The Dennis and Callahan Show, a Boston sports talk radio program, on November 10. During his appearance, he reported a rumor being investigated by two prominent columnists that Sandusky and his Second Mile children's charity may have been "pimping out young boys to rich donors."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Madden

AND ONE STORY RULED THEM ALL -- Madden: Sandusky a State secret, by Mark Madden, April 3, 2011
http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandus
ky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html


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Joe Paterno will retire at season's end.

Is that enough? Should he quit right now?

I doubt Paterno will go to Madison and Columbus. I bet Saturday is his last game. He'll be on the sidelines, get his applause, and that's it.

Know what? I can't begrudge Paterno that. But it's still minimizing the situation to a frightening degree. When 100,000 cheer, WHAT ARE THEY CHEERING FOR? This will be sports' most BIZARRE FAREWELL EVER.

Last night didn't help. When the students protested, Penn State became a cult. A cult that worships a feeble, old enabler and puts football above all, even dignity and decency. Penn State alumni should feel ASHAMED.

Paterno said, "With the benefit of hindsight, I should have done more." Thanks, Coach Obvious. Is that an apology, or merely a statement? When Joe takes off in the helicopter, is he going to make the double "V for Victory" sign?

I believe Penn State should cancel the rest of the season. The biggest absurdity going is the premise that this scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL. It's become a battle cry for Paterno apologists, and is sickening in its lack of logic.

*The predator in question is a former Penn State assistant coach.

*He had free use of Penn State's football facilities after retiring in 1999.

*He ran overnight football camps for kids using Penn State facilities.

*At least some of his assaults occurred at Penn State's football facilities.

*The head coach knew.

*An assistant coach WITNESSED.

*The athletic director knew.

*The predator used Penn State's football facilities LAST WEEK.

*The predator attended a Penn State football function LAST WEEK.

So...tell me again HOW THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL.



A ninth Jerry Sandusky victim has come forward to the police.

The New York Times reports that Penn State adminstration is mapping out Joe Paterno's exit. This will be his last season. The end might come soon.

Penn State cancelled today's Paterno press conference after initially asking media to not discuss the Sandusky situation. That's like Rudy Giuliani not talking about 9/11 on 9/12. Doesn't exactly promote the idea of accountability.

Penn State has taken a terrible situation and somehow made it EVEN WORSE. It's the fall of the empire.

Here's what's got to happen at Penn State. NOW.

*Paterno must be dismissed IMMEDIATELY. If Paterno won't resign, fire him. If Paterno won't leave, have security physically remove him. Paterno's dignity is gone. His aura has vanished. Paterno didn't do enough. HE KNEW.

*Penn State's season must stop IMMEDIATELY. This is the filthiest scandal in NCAA history. This isn't free tattoos, or Reggie Bush's family getting paid. This is an assembly line of child rape that Penn State's administration - football and otherwise - knew about for OVER A DECADE. How on earth do you keep playing?

*Penn State football should shut down for at least a year, then start over with a 100% different infrastructure. This is a classic example of losing institutional control. Innocent people catch some shrapnel, sure. Not everyone was guilty at SMU.

That's what SHOULD happen. But it won't. Follow the money.

Remember when PETA protesters picketed Philadelphia Eagles games when Mike Vick came back? Who's going to picket Beaver Stadium when Nebraska visits Saturday?

The Sandusky scandal isn't just a test for Penn State and Paterno. It's a test for Penn State alumni and the entire State College area. What's more important: What's right, or what's traditional? What's right, or what's beloved? What's right, or what's profitable?

http://www.1059thex.com/pages/markmadden.html


Jerry Sandusky Investigation: Joe Paterno Hires Criminal Defense Lawyer, J. Sedgwick Sollers, who represented pedophile serial killer Franklin Coverup President George H.W. Bush in the Iran-Contra affair
http://philly.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/10/2553202/je
rry-sandusky-investigation-joe-paterno-hires-criminal-defense-lawyer/in/2306806





BTW Sandusky is a jew.


PEDOPHILES ON PARADE: The Franklin Coverup (Peterno's criminal lawyer for Bohemian Grove pedophile serial killer George HW Bush)
https://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=T
he+Franklin+Coverup



White House "correspondent" Jeff Gannon slept in George W Bush's bed 200 times at the White House
www.johnnygosch.com


Snuff kiddie porn videographer at Bohemian Grove Hunter S Thompson "blew his own head off" the same week Jeff Gannon was outed as Johnny Gosch
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/boys_town_abuse
.htm


Trance Formation of America by Cathy O'Brien
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=Trance+Format
ion+of+America+by+Cathy+O%27Brien




The Franklin Cover Up band
http://www.myspace.com/thefranklincoverup

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 1:33 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Which is why I sent in the twins.

There's something rotten here, and I think it important to find out exactly what.

-F



Hate asking this already, but wth is " I sent in the twins " even suppose to mean?





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Sunday, November 13, 2011 2:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Hate asking this already, but wth is " I sent in the twins " even suppose to mean?



You dont wanna know.

Then hed have to kill ya.


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Sunday, November 13, 2011 5:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:





Good looking pair. Who do they belong to?

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
The students supporting a long history of cover-ups... It may be the court of public opinion and not the justice department, but people supporting someone if the allegations like this are even possibly true, just because they're a football coach?

And old friends of the main coach are coming out of the woodworks... Certain people I REALLY don't like myself, and considering the HYPOCRISY I've seen from them, well, I have to wonder.

I think we're about to see just how BIG this whole awful thing REALLY was, and I am starting to think it was NOT just Penn State who was in on it.



A certain few judges-for-profit come to mind, them being in that same general neck of the woods.

I can't help the sinking feeling that this isn't just a one-off or a fluke, but rather part of a very large, very entrenched long-term system of abuse of the type and level to bring up 'Girl With the Dragon Tattoo' comparisons.

But that's only because of the things we've seen with the Catholic Church...

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:04 PM

FREMDFIRMA



The twins are a pair of my so-called "bullygirls" who are exactly that, and damn useful for it - and they have a lot of contacts personal and otherwise in PA as well as a more complete knowledge of local politics than most...
And for reasons of personal annoyance, them being damn near a thousand miles away for the immediate future is a nice bonus.


All that aside, yea verily, there's SOMETHING rotten there.

And it's not just those two asshats, and their hellcamp running co-conspirator Mikey, consider the amount of folks within the court who had to look the other way or even actively participate in the coverup for that shit to happen in the first place - over a pretty long damn time too, and no one did a fuckin thing about it.

Still won't, DESPITE having one local politician all but in my pocket and being able to really put the arm on a couple others since the asshole who gerrymanders districs for the PA Democrats is one of mine, or at least answers to me - and yet even with that amount of pressure on them they clam the hell up, dig in their heels and will not budge ?

Plus certain further anomolies in the juvie justice system, foster care system, public education system (including a shockingly disproportionate amount of school-cops being caught out abusing those they're supposedly protecting, in extreme divergence from national average) - and now this shit with penn state, I've little doubt we're talkin culture of corruption here, but it's important to find out how deep it goes, whether it's a few well placed scumbags and everyone else not rocking the boat, or something worse, but MAKE SURE first, you know ?

Only they ain't gonna thank us - y'all know this, right ?
Look at the reaction of them students over the firing of their precious little pervert - now imagine that hatred, that outrage, directed at YOU personally, for twenty some fucking years and you might just begin to realize the depths of contempt I hold our culture and society in as a result.
For a fact most people lip-synch the words, offer all the right platitudes, but when the rubber meets the road they don't mean that shit save as socially acceptable gloss.

I *DO* mean it, enough to go to some pretty appalling lengths about it, anyhows.
And I mean to find the roots of this, tear them out and fucking burn them, period.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, November 14, 2011 1:03 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:

Look at the reaction of them students over the firing of their precious little pervert


You DO know that JoePa's 'crime' here was that of indifference, right ? Doing the bare minimum which was required. And yes, I find that hard to believe as anyone, that he didn't do more. I'm not covering for the guy, he had to go and all, but he never actually did anything perverted. Just be clear here, he's not the one who buggered little boys.

Sandusky is the monster here.

Quote:


The twins are a pair of my so-called "bullygirls" who are exactly that, and damn useful for it - and they have a lot of contacts personal and otherwise in PA as well as a more complete knowledge of local politics than most...
And for reasons of personal annoyance, them being damn near a thousand miles away for the immediate future is a nice bonus.



Umm...right. Still doesn't really clarify much of anything here. I was right... regretting I asked already.



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Monday, November 14, 2011 3:14 AM

JONGSSTRAW


The Saturday game at Penn State should have been cancelled.

How could ESPN televise it? How could anyone watch it without wretching?

Are Penn State players still showering in the same locker room where Sandusky was seen raping a 10-year old boy? Or perhaps they just have a naked picture of him hanging up that they pat on the bottom before they go out into the stadium to play.









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Monday, November 14, 2011 5:12 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Jong, no one died. This wasn't the scene of a serial killer. Bad? Hell yes, but not enough to cancel a game over. Sandusky has been off the PSU staff for 10+ years...

Life goes on.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, November 14, 2011 5:25 AM

BYTEMITE


Life may go on, and plenty of people may not have been involved, but I still find it a bit disturbing that some people think football is more important than allegations like this.

I think it shows a kind of apathy to the victims. Perhaps not intentional disrespect, but disrespect all the same though insensitivity.

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Monday, November 14, 2011 5:29 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
The students supporting a long history of cover-ups... It may be the court of public opinion and not the justice department, but people supporting someone if the allegations like this are even possibly true, just because they're a football coach?

And old friends of the main coach are coming out of the woodworks... Certain people I REALLY don't like myself, and considering the HYPOCRISY I've seen from them, well, I have to wonder.

I think we're about to see just how BIG this whole awful thing REALLY was, and I am starting to think it was NOT just Penn State who was in on it.



A certain few judges-for-profit come to mind, them being in that same general neck of the woods.

I can't help the sinking feeling that this isn't just a one-off or a fluke, but rather part of a very large, very entrenched long-term system of abuse of the type and level to bring up 'Girl With the Dragon Tattoo' comparisons.

But that's only because of the things we've seen with the Catholic Church...




Which reminds me, I meant to ask: why does God give these kinds of "people" these kinds of desires??

edited for clarity

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Monday, November 14, 2011 5:35 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Life may go on, and plenty of people may not have been involved, but I still find it a bit disturbing that some people think football is more important than allegations like this.

I think it shows a kind of apathy to the victims. Perhaps not intentional disrespect, but disrespect all the same though insensitivity.



I think this goes to Kwicko's question about "how could you not run in an brain the guy?" if you caught him doing what he was doing.

Denial. Human nature to want to look the other way, to not want to believe something so horrible, to hope above all else that it will some how just go away. Sad - "Confrontation" especially on this level, isn't easy for a lot of people. On the other hand, some people seem wired to confront everything.

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Monday, November 14, 2011 5:41 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Jong, no one died. Bad? Hell yes, but not enough to cancel a game over.


Right, only eight or more young boys had to endure forcible rape and sodomy, and the emotional scars that go with it all for life. But as you said, no one died, so.....let's play some football!

Quote:

Sandusky has been off the PSU staff for 10+ years...
Life goes on.


After he left he was still allowed to be on the sidelines during Penn State games with little boys. He still had free reign over the whole place. Who knows all the wheres and whens of Sandusky's sick acts?

How any Penn State player is able to go into that locker room and shower in the spot where a 10-year old naked boy was observed being raped is beyond belief. That isn't life going on, That's a total abandonment of humanity in order to sustain a stupid fucking meaningless football program. I hope the college gets bankrupted from lawsuits over this. All they care about is money anyhow.






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Monday, November 14, 2011 6:16 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Jong, no one died. Bad? Hell yes, but not enough to cancel a game over.


Right, only eight or more young boys had to endure forcible rape and sodomy, and the emotional scars that go with it all for life. But as you said, no one died, so.....let's play some football!



And that's just the ones that have come forward.

"The coach and his wife had adopted six children -- three after taking them in through foster care. He dedicated most of his off-season to running camps and helping The Second Mile kids, many from single-parent homes and in need of another adult in their lives."

"... six adopted children..."
makes me sick to read that.

And the people who think this goes deeper... is this the pattern? That pedophiles know each other so-to-speak, or work in groups?
Frem - some day I wish you would post an official summary/overview on your activities with the Hell Camps.

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Monday, November 14, 2011 8:59 AM

BYTEMITE


My response aligns with Jongstraw, carrying on like nothing happened is pretty bad, it's indirectly supporting the kind of mindset and environment that allows a child molester to prey on kids. And also I think people with season passes not going and players not quitting in protest aside, if anyone actually BOUGHT a ticket to that game after the news broke, they're also indirectly APPROVING what happened.

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Monday, November 14, 2011 9:03 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

A certain few judges-for-profit come to mind, them being in that same general neck of the woods.

I can't help the sinking feeling that this isn't just a one-off or a fluke, but rather part of a very large, very entrenched long-term system of abuse of the type and level to bring up 'Girl With the Dragon Tattoo' comparisons.



Agreed. Very much a tip of the iceberg thing, and that's even if it's just schools and universities and not also juvie justice, law enforcement, and rings local and abroad. But something tells me a lot of these people probably know each other, call in "favours."

Go Frem.

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Monday, November 14, 2011 9:08 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Rare as it is around here, I find myself in complete agreement with Jongsie, Pizmo, and Bytemite. Lots of times I'll agree with one or the other of them, but I'm not sure we've ever had a consensus between the four of us!


My stomach turned when I read that he'd adopted kids through the foster system. :(

Incidentally, the judge gave Sandusky $100k bail, and required no money to be put up to secure his release. And it turns out she volunteers with Second Mile herself. Great. Just freaking great.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, November 14, 2011 9:37 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

And the people who think this goes deeper... is this the pattern? That pedophiles know each other so-to-speak, or work in groups?


Yes. Web-rings are fairly common. Imagine the off internet version, like what happened with the catholic church but in different circles. Just as evil, only tricky enough to not put their information out there for wrath and retribution to easily track down.

Say there's a kidnapping, law enforcement pushes for the parents even when there's an abundance of information to the contrary, then, if they give up on the parents, they drop the case.

All black holes lead to Romania.

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Monday, November 14, 2011 3:12 PM

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No one has ever been able to answer this question so I'm going to put it out there: I believe that one's body reacting to the harming of children is the worst physicality malfunction that can occur. So if someone's body was doomed to that fate, wouldn't they want to keep it to themselves and make sure not to harm anyone? Especially since such physicality malfunctions can sometimes come about through conditioning, so wouldn't the person be afraid that he would cause some other poor person to be afflicted similarly? Wouldn't he want to be careful to make sure that he isn't responsable for some other child suffering that malfunction later and doing the same thing? Does anyone have an answer?

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Monday, November 14, 2011 3:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Can't find a clear pic, but if ya ever get a chance to see Sandusky's teeth, he's even more creepy - if that's possible. Ok, it's not possible, but this guy looks like a real predator.

Reminds me of this guy, the Gormogon, from BONES.







"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Monday, November 14, 2011 4:29 PM

BYTEMITE


In the case of child molesters, they actually very rarely are attracted only to children. Rather, they do it because the abuse gives them a rush, or they're a pervert who can't control their urges and kids are just easy targets and more easily discredited, or they're considered part of the family and think they're entitled to the kids that way (that they own the kids).

As for conditioning, it really varies whether that happens. Some of the more sick kinds of this get into convincing the kid that this is what they want, and yeah, that can screw a kid up. But most often, it's against their will, the adult loses their temper or forces it, the child is confused and hurt and scared and maybe ashamed. And in the later case, it's not likely at all to affect their normal orientation.

It's slightly different from regular abuse that way in that everyone has their preprogrammed preferences that it's hard to override. The only thing really comparable with both is that both can create a lot of rage in the victims that they then act out on.

It isn't about kindness or affection, what child molesters do, they don't give a damn how they damage the kids or they wouldn't do it. You rarely ever see them reform, and they equally rarely will ever show one iota of genuine guilt or regret for what they've done. Most of them are just sorry for themselves that they were caught.

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