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Thursday, March 17, 2016 10:27 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:

1kiki - "If Trump was president, he'd have congressional opposition from BOTH the democrats AND the republicans.

He would literally not be able to get anything done. The idea of how dysfunctional his term would be is funny! "



The biggest story I think is the total unraveling of the Republican Party. It is now split into two camps and it is going to remain that way for some time to come. Republican voters have had enough of the lies.

The Tea Party has come home to root. Since day one they have called themselves the Tea Party and not the Republican party.

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Friday, March 18, 2016 4:59 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

The Tea Party has come home to root. Since day one they have called themselves the Tea Party and not the Republican party.



Roost, not root.

The tea party iz almost like an experiment conducted by the GoP to test and expand the limits uv stoopid. Claiming they are an independent party iz like saying Pontiac iz not part uv GM.

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Friday, March 18, 2016 7:37 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

The Tea Party has come home to root. Since day one they have called themselves the Tea Party and not the Republican party.



Roost, not root.

The tea party iz almost like an experiment conducted by the GoP to test and expand the limits uv stoopid. Claiming they are an independent party iz like saying Pontiac iz not part uv GM.

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Is, not iz.

My point was they represented a chunk of Republicans that came together independent of the Republican leadership to form a movement within the party. That movement IS the undoing of the party.

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Friday, March 18, 2016 2:44 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


wuz, not was. And nobody sez 'is' besidez German ESL speakerz.

I gess thats a fair interpretation. Do you think Mr. Turtle, Mitch McConnel, woudnt be such an assclown if the tea partyerz didnt exist?

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Friday, March 18, 2016 5:24 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
wuz, not was. And nobody sez 'is' besidez German ESL speakerz.

I gess thats a fair interpretation. Do you think Mr. Turtle, Mitch McConnel, woudnt be such an assclown if the tea partyerz didnt exist?

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Guess, not gess.

The Republican party has been destroying the middle class since Reagan began breaking the backs of unions. I have to say with that and how successful they have been in redistricting, Yes. They have been stuck with appeasing the extreme element of their party for many years now.

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Friday, March 18, 2016 5:58 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:

1kiki - "If Trump was president, he'd have congressional opposition from BOTH the democrats AND the republicans.

He would literally not be able to get anything done. The idea of how dysfunctional his term would be is funny! "


I am not convinced that the black and white Bernie and the black and white Tea party would not get anything done. Just not the things that the establishment crony Demoplicans want done.

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Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:56 AM

ELVISCHRIST




I predict Jayneztown will post nothing of substance, just massive fucking walls of backwoods gibberish that he claims is some kind of "knowledge."


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Friday, April 15, 2016 7:23 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.



JSF - "I keep hearing that Hilliary will be DONE when Bernie wins New York. Anybody here think so?"

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Friday, April 15, 2016 8:04 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:

JSF - "I keep hearing that Hilliary will be DONE when Bernie wins New York. Anybody here think so?"



You say when Bernie wins New York, Bernie will not win New York.

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Thursday, April 28, 2016 10:43 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Signy, from back in March:


"Yanno what they say, KPO - "the proof of the pudding". Since peace has broken out in Syria and all of the enemies are holding hands in Geneva and singing kumbayah (except the Kurds, who really need to be included) ... what are you bitching about THIS time?"

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Thursday, May 5, 2016 2:40 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.



JO753
, Jan 31st 2016:


"You are going to haf to fase the facts: Trump iz a clown and he will be the GoP nominee. He cant beat Hillary or Bernie. The most likely tickets will be Bernie/Hillary and Trump/Rubio. Checkmate"




JO753
, today:


"My next prediction iz that both Cruz and Rubio will looz their senate seats in the next election."

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Sunday, May 8, 2016 7:55 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Nader on Sanders/Trump



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Sunday, May 8, 2016 10:23 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Signy, from back in March:


"Yanno what they say, KPO - "the proof of the pudding". Since peace has broken out in Syria and all of the enemies are holding hands in Geneva and singing kumbayah (except the Kurds, who really need to be included) ... what are you bitching about THIS time?"



It's almost un-uncanny.



I'm not even sure why this is in the "predictions" thread. It's an ironic description of a state of affairs at the moment ("holding hands ... and singing kumbayah") and what SHOULD happen (not what WILL happen) next.

So, why is this included?

The Predictions Thread was a great idea. It's too bad that the person who's running it is irrational.

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Sunday, May 8, 2016 10:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Signy, from back in March:
"Yanno what they say, KPO - "the proof of the pudding". Since peace has broken out in Syria and all of the enemies are holding hands in Geneva and singing kumbayah (except the Kurds, who really need to be included) ... what are you bitching about THIS time?"


It's almost un-uncanny.



I'm not even sure why this is in the "predictions" thread. It's an ironic description of a state of affairs at the moment ("holding hands ... and singing kumbayah") and what SHOULD happen (not what WILL happen) next.

So, why is this included? Maybe there was a prediction that this relates to? An explanation is in order.

The Predictions Thread was a great idea. It's too bad that the person who's running it has got such a personal grotch against someone (ahem!) he's become irrational.

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Monday, May 9, 2016 10:16 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Signy, from back in March:


"Yanno what they say, KPO - "the proof of the pudding". Since peace has broken out in Syria and all of the enemies are holding hands in Geneva and singing kumbayah (except the Kurds, who really need to be included) ... what are you bitching about THIS time?"



It's almost un-uncanny.



I'm not even sure why this is in the "predictions" thread. It's an ironic description of a state of affairs at the moment ("holding hands ... and singing kumbayah") and what SHOULD happen (not what WILL happen) next.

So, why is this included?

The Predictions Thread was a great idea. It's too bad that the person who's running it is irrational.
.



Its here because you where saying, I told you so.

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Monday, May 9, 2016 10:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Its here because you where saying, I told you so.


WHAT did I supposedly tell you? Where is that prediction that I supposedly told you so? Find me the prediction and quote it here, please.

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Monday, May 9, 2016 11:18 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Its here because you where saying, I told you so.


WHAT did I supposedly tell you? Where is that prediction that I supposedly told you so? Find me the prediction and quote it here, please.

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Here you go

Quote:



SIG

'll let you know when the thanks become appropriate. At that point, you probably should, because it will be no thanks to the USA, France, or NATO when that day comes."


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Monday, May 9, 2016 11:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I'll let you know when the thanks become appropriate. At that point, you probably should, because it will be no thanks to the USA, France, or NATO when that day comes."
So, have I let you know that the day is now??? Or was a month ago, when the participants assembled in Geneva to talk peace?

No.

I would have thought that the sarcasm that I employed in describing the assembly ("holding hands and singing kumbayah") would have tipped you to the fact that even I didn't think it was going to last, especially since the representatives of the "rebels" were hand-picked in Saudi Arabia.

When the day comes for thanks, I'll be sure to let you know.



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Monday, May 9, 2016 2:10 PM

THGRRI




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Monday, May 9, 2016 9:52 PM

THGRRI



Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

"Yanno what they say, KPO - "the proof of the pudding". Since peace has broken out in Syria and all of the enemies are holding hands in Geneva and singing kumbayah (except the Kurds, who really need to be included) ... what are you bitching about THIS time?"



Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


Since the peace process has broken down with the withdrawal of the Saudi-chosen side, I expect that this has gone back to "victory on the ground" as the only way out for either side, with the USA promising MANPADS and other advanced weapons to the so-called moderate rebels by August, if the political process is stalled.



Yanno, since you are in the business of promoting Putin and posting comments not based in reality, my guess, is KPO is bitching about you and your Putin promoting statements.

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Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:50 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.



Signy: "I would not be surprised to find the USA State Department accepting and even touting Al Nusra as a peace partner."

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Wednesday, May 11, 2016 2:12 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

It's an ironic description of a state of affairs at the moment ("holding hands ... and singing kumbayah") and what SHOULD happen (not what WILL happen) next.

You are such a liar.

What happened: I called Putin a warmonger, and you a Putin fan girl. You responded with the above quote - "peace has broken out in Syria", ergo Russia's intervention was peace-promoting not warmongering, the proof of the pudding, etc etc.

Quote:

So, why is this included? Maybe there was a prediction that this relates to? An explanation is in order.

"Peace has broken out in Syria" was the prediction - and a pretty bad one. Your claim that this was a statement of 'what should happen' is one of the most feeble, bald-faced and shameless lies I've ever heard.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2016 3:34 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.



Signym on Hilary Clinton as president:


"Either that, or the USA will become a completely totalitarian state, where people are being held in thrall while the banks suck the life juices out of them, like "a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money."

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Wednesday, May 18, 2016 3:48 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Predictions from a Paul Craig Roberts article pushed by Signy and Kiki:

"Hillary Clinton... would likely be the most reckless president in American history... Hillary’s arrogant self-confidence is likely to result in over-reach that ends in conflict between NATO and Russia. Considering the extraordinary destructive force of nuclear weapons, Hillary as president could mean the end of life on earth."

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Friday, May 27, 2016 10:45 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


a quick check on the mood ahead...trouble
internets is crazy now...even so called liberal sites like democratic underground are getting angry, intolerant and heated

http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?221812-The-obvious-f
ailure-of-the-EU-on-the-management-of-the-illegal-immigration


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141455954

http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/greece-cops-in-full-retreat-as-m
uslim-mob-overwhelms-them.499516
/

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2661484
https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11342856
http://www.futuretimeline.net/forum/topic/15198-rapefugee-crisis/page-
5

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1851445_.html
http://vigilantcitizen.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2727&page=39
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?p=81907988
http://4freedoms.com/group/belgium/forum/topics/and-more-rapes-by-rape
fugees?page=1&commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A174115&x=1#3766518Comment174115


http://forum.dvdtalk.com/religion-politics-world-events/633489-regress
ive-left-30.html


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1448247257

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50253-post-1153650.html

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-654069.html

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/247867/paris-attacks

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=214244&s
tart=25


https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/declassified-documents-show-con
nections-between-saudi-diplomats-and-9-11-terrorists.1132601
/

lots of worry about crime, economy, terror
immigration, culture
...questions about the 'refugee' thing

http://answermug.com/forum/topics/what-should-be-done-about-the-rapefu
gees-in-europe


https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2016/05/24/tb-controver
sy-continues-as-refugees-and-their-advocates-protest-tv-station-in-fargo-nd
/

http://www.fodors.com/community/europe/gaspetrol-shortages-in-france.c
fm


http://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-625829.html

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=506017

...anyways that's a sample of the mood out there


last vid for a while



When Everyone Said Trump Wouldn't get The Nomination


I know this might seem kind of 'offensive' for some here but I also predict the Ramadan Death Toll is going to be very high this year
In 2013 it was over 1,600 people

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Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:20 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I know this might seem kind of 'offensive' for some here but I also predict the Ramadan Death Toll is going to be very high this year
In 2013 it was over 1,600 people


Can you define Ramadan Death Toll? What numbers are included, which are excluded?
How many in 2014?
In 2015?

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Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:55 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Can you define Ramadan Death Toll? What numbers are included, which are excluded?
How many in 2014?
In 2015?



It doesn't count people dying off say of old age or random people dying say of a forest fire or flood. It's basically a count of jihadist attacks or muslim extremists killing other people, which sometimes goes off the charts during Ramadan as muslims are supposed to jihad more, pray more, fast more at this time...some of them crazy extremist muslims get even more crazy. In 2010 for example the name of the religion of peace
They had Terror attacks 192 - People Deaths / Dead bodies 916
In the name of all other religions (Buddhism, Mormonism, Wicca/Witchcraft, Catholics, Shinto, Hindus)
Terror attacks 1 - Dead bodies 1


Some peace in 2010! Yet this year it may number in the thousands. Lots of alt news & blogs touch this subject like Atheist forums, rebelmedia, islamversuseurope.blogspot.com, ibloga.blogspot.com, pamella geller twitter, drudge etc

Was bad after Bush invaded Iraq, then it went down a bit, now after 2010 it seems to be going up every year
Ramadan Death Toll might be very high this year

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Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:58 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:

Jongstraw believes (outside of chemically induced highs) that Obama will win in November, due to the fact that 'More than half the country gets a Govt. check'.

Hero believes if Zimmerman is convicted the case will likely be overturned on appeal.


It's not personal. It's just war.



Well, he did win but that was not why.

Zimmerman prediction was wrong as well.


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Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:06 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

SIG

Ukraine-Russia War Imminent
Of course, we know that a "Ukraine-Russia" war - if it occurs- will not remain Ukraine V Russia, but rather NATO v Russia.



So far it doesn't look as though the Ukraine needs much help against Russia.

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Monday, May 30, 2016 1:13 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


I predict guys like Adam Baldwin will become an even more rightwing conservative crazyass loon who would make John friggin Wayne seem like a liberal hippie

https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin

To be honest this ain't much of a prediction if you seen Adam's posts on the days of forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly/

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Monday, May 30, 2016 12:34 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I predict guys like Adam Baldwin will become an even more rightwing conservative crazyass loon who would make John friggin Wayne seem like a liberal hippie

https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin

To be honest this ain't much of a prediction if you seen Adam's posts on the days of forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly/




So JAYNEZTOWN, where are you from? Or are you to embarrassed to say?

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Monday, May 30, 2016 12:38 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

So far it doesn't look as though the Ukraine needs much help against Russia.
Maybe it's because "Russia" isn't there. Because if Russia was attacking Ukraine in a determined fashion (yanno, an actual invasion) Ukraine (like the Baltic states) would last about a week. Maybe.

Or, do you really believe that Ukrainian forces are holding off the might of the Russian military? 'Cause if you do, you're more delusional than the norm.

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Monday, May 30, 2016 6:48 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

So far it doesn't look as though the Ukraine needs much help against Russia.
Maybe it's because "Russia" isn't there. Because if Russia was attacking Ukraine in a determined fashion (yanno, an actual invasion) Ukraine (like the Baltic states) would last about a week. Maybe.

Or, do you really believe that Ukrainian forces are holding off the might of the Russian military? 'Cause if you do, you're more delusional than the norm.




Careful SIG, your infatuation with Russia is showing. Can't post as objective if every time you come up on the side of Russia. Especially when all the evidence points to you being wrong.

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Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Careful SIG, your infatuation with Russia is showing. Can't post as objective if every time you come up on the side of Russia. Especially when all the evidence points to you being wrong.
Wrong? Evidence? That in a head-to-head fight between Ukraine and Russia, you're saying Ukraine would win?

Wow. Careful THIRDSTOOGE. Can't post as objective when all of your posts lack evidence and are delusional.

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Tuesday, May 31, 2016 10:08 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Careful SIG, your infatuation with Russia is showing. Can't post as objective if every time you come up on the side of Russia. Especially when all the evidence points to you being wrong.
Wrong? Evidence? That in a head-to-head fight between Ukraine and Russia, you're saying Ukraine would win?

Wow. Careful THIRDSTOOGE. Can't post as objective when all of your posts lack evidence and are delusional.



True to form SIG. Looks like someone says something negative about Russia and you can't contain yourself. You start posting replies to what your imagination is saying was written and not to what was actually posted.

Show me any post of mine, or anyone else's here, claiming the Ukraine could take on Russia in a head to head war. It really is obvious you and 1kiki are brainwashed and easily corrupted. You hide the truth about yourselves and where your loyalties lie; Russia. You are a propaganda machine.

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Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

True to form SIG. Looks like someone says something negative about Russia and you can't contain yourself. You start posting replies to what your imagination is saying was written and not to what was actually posted.


Hey, it's not that you said something negative about Russia. That's a given. In fact, that's ALL you do. That, and troll.

It's that what you say about Russia is so blazingly, mind-blowingly, confoundingly STUPID. You manage to plumb depths of ignorance that I didn't even know existed. I read your posts and all I can think of is ... OMFG.

Quote:

Show me any post of mine, or anyone else's here, claiming the Ukraine could take on Russia in a head to head war.


Well, right here ...

Quote:

So far it doesn't look as though the Ukraine needs much help against Russia.


Now, you yourself - and your equally-idiotic friends- have said over and over (and over and over...) that Russia "invaded" Ukraine. Troops. Tanks. (Presumably also bases, air support, and shelling, which would make up a normal "invasion".)

So, if Russia "invaded" Ukraine, then Kiev must have fought them to a standstill, maybe even regained territory. THAT would be what 'not needing much help against Russia' would look like, in the situation of an "invasion", which is a head-to-head fight.

But this is a "predictions" thread, not an "argue with idiots" thread, so I'm going to stop this line of discussion.

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Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Can you define Ramadan Death Toll? What numbers are included, which are excluded?
How many in 2014?
In 2015?


It doesn't count people dying off say of old age or random people dying say of a forest fire or flood. It's basically a count of jihadist attacks or muslim extremists killing other people, which sometimes goes off the charts during Ramadan as muslims are supposed to jihad more, pray more, fast more at this time...some of them crazy extremist muslims get even more crazy. In 2010 for example the name of the religion of peace
They had Terror attacks 192 - People Deaths / Dead bodies 916
In the name of all other religions (Buddhism, Mormonism, Wicca/Witchcraft, Catholics, Shinto, Hindus)
Terror attacks 1 - Dead bodies 1


Some peace in 2010! Yet this year it may number in the thousands. Lots of alt news & blogs touch this subject like Atheist forums, rebelmedia, islamversuseurope.blogspot.com, ibloga.blogspot.com, pamella geller twitter, drudge etc

Was bad after Bush invaded Iraq, then it went down a bit, now after 2010 it seems to be going up every year
Ramadan Death Toll might be very high this year


So these are murders committed during the period of Ramadan, and only those committed by Followers of The Religion Of Peace - aka Muslims?
Any where in the world?

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Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:

Jongstraw believes (outside of chemically induced highs) that Obama will win in November, due to the fact that 'More than half the country gets a Govt. check'.

Hero believes if Zimmerman is convicted the case will likely be overturned on appeal.



Well, he did win but that was not why.

Zimmerman prediction was wrong as well.


Wow, THUGGERY is obviously wrong on both counts. Are you kpo loggin in under your sock puppet?

Yes the first prediction was correct, and for the stated reason.

The second prediction was also correct. The overturning of a bad, unjusy verdict was the same result as the correct, just verdict being rendered, which is what did happen.
Technically, the prediction did not take effect because the initiating premise of an unjust guilty verdict did not occur. But if it had, the prediction was that the unjust guilty verdict would be corrected to a justified not guilty verdict, it is just that the jury managed to get the verdict right the first time out. Despite the en masse perjury committed by all of the malicious Prosecution's witnesses, the jury somehow saw through it all.

Just because you prefer an unjust verdict does not mean the prediction was wrong for understanding a just verdict and the correction of injustice.

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Tuesday, May 31, 2016 8:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, here's a prediction:

Assuming Hillary isn't indicted and has to drop out of the race ... assuming she wins the election ... I predict she'll get us into, or back into, at least three more proxy wars before 4 years are over.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, May 31, 2016 8:51 PM

THGRRI


Quote: ME

Show me any post of mine, or anyone else's here, claiming the Ukraine could take on Russia in a head to head war.


Quote: You

Well, right here ...


Quote: You quoting me

So far it doesn't look as though the Ukraine needs much help against Russia.


Wow, that's amazing. You think what I said is the same thing as saying that the Ukraine could defeat Russia in an all out war. And you think I am the one here that's stupid? Again, wow

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Wednesday, June 1, 2016 1:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


No, you maroon. You said Ukraine already did. Defeat a Russian "invasion", that is.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2016 10:45 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No, you maroon. You said Ukraine already did. Defeat a Russian "invasion", that is.




Russia has invaded Ukraine but nobody here claimed it was with everything they had. No, no, instead what Putin did was use just enough Russian involvement to steal Crimea, and at the same time strip more freedoms from the Russian people as their attention is focused on the Ukraine and elsewhere.

G has you pegged troll. You misrepresent the truth no matter what it is. It could be with what you claim to be facts, or in improperly interpreting what others post.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2016 1:51 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:


THGRRI: "You think what I said is the same thing as saying that the Ukraine could defeat Russia in an all out war."

SIGNYM: "No, you maroon. You said Ukraine already did."



Sig, why is it that after having debated the Ukraine conflict AT LENGTH, you are still coming out with idiotic strawmen like the above? You really think that anyone believes Russia is waging an all out war against Ukraine?

I understand that you see a constant stream of negative messaging against Russia that you want to counter, but is this the best you can do?

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Wednesday, June 1, 2016 3:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"So far it doesn't look as though the Ukraine needs much help against Russia."

Let's parse this quote, ONEOFTHETHREESTOOGES.

Against Russia: well against Russia - what? Against that invasion you THREESTOOGES keep claiming Russia did. I don't think ONEOFTHREESTOOGES meant against Russia - dancing. Or against Russia - imports. Or against Russia - language. No. Unless you want to pretend to be really, really stupid - and that's not beneath you for sure - it means against the Russian 'invasion'.

So, Ukraine hasn't needed much help (that's discounting the help the US and NATO provided, btw) against the Russian invasion.

That's the claim ONEOFTHREESTOOGES made that THETHREESTOOGES together seem bent on pretending wasn't made.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


In looking for something else, I found this little gem from KRAPO
Quote:

"Peace has broken out in Syria" was the prediction -


Apparently, events phrased in the past tense are considered "predictions" by KRAPO

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Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:20 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Signy: "I would not be surprised to find the USA State Department accepting and even touting Al Nusra as a peace partner."



US Asks Russia to Not Hit Nusra Front in Syria, Moscow Says

Quote:

Russia's foreign minister said Washington has asked Moscow not to target the al-Qaida's branch in Syria, the Nusra Front, but the U.S. insisted Friday that it only wants Russia to carefully select it targets to avoid hitting civilians and legitimate opposition groups.

Sergey Lavrov said that Russia has long insisted that the moderate, U.S.-backed opposition groups should leave the areas occupied by Nusra. He said in televised remarks that Russia and the U.S. have engaged in close dialogue on how to secure a cease-fire in Syria, but added that fighting the Islamic State group and Nusra should be a top priority.

"They are telling us not to hit it (Nusra), because there is 'normal' opposition next .. to it," Lavrov said. "But that opposition must leave terrorists' positions, we long have agreed on that."




Please Don’t Attack Al-Qaeda

Quote:

In the weeks leading up to the agreed upon cessation-of-hostilities (CoH) agreement between the US and Russia, it was John Kerry’s diplomacy that was instrumental in “downgrading” the truce from a more forceful and legally binding ‘ceasefire’ agreement to the less intensive ‘cessation-of-hostilities’ now taking effect.

... According to the 29-year career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service, India’s former ambassador to Uzbekistan and Turkey M. K. Bhadrakumar, it is plainly because “the Russian military operations have met with devastating success lately in strengthening the Syrian regime and scattering the Syrian rebel groups,” leading “the US and its regional allies” to “stare at defeat.” Therefore, they “forthwith need an end to the Russian operations so that they can think up a Plan B. The Geneva talks will not have the desired outcome of President Bashar Al-Assad’s ouster unless the tide of war is reversed.” Therefore, “a cessation of hostilities in Syria is urgently needed.”

Judging by the fact that top US officials began announcing that Russia would break the deal immediately after it was agreed upon while calling for further measures to “inflict real pain on the Russians”, Bhadrakumar’s assessment that a pause, and not a permanent halt, was sought in order to regroup and eventually reverse the tide of war seems to be quite apt. As well there has been an almost ubiquitous media campaign in the US to prime the public for accusations of a Russian infraction, from which a breakdown of the deal would follow; the narrative portrayed is filled with “doubts” and “worries” and “statements from US officials” about how Russia isn’t serious and will likely break the agreement.

Furthermore, outwardly Russia is much more optimistic and invested in the deal, President Putin hopefully promoting it while engaging in a blitz of diplomacy to support it, while on the other hand the US has been less vocal and much quicker to doubt its outcomes.

However, this downgrading from a ‘ceasefire’ to a ‘cessation of hostilities’ actually violates past agreements.

In UN Security Council Resolution 2254, in which it was articulated that member states be committed to the “sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of the Syrian Arab Republic,” while calling on them to suppress ISIS, al-Nusra, and “all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al Qaeda or ISIL”, it was also agreed upon that the Security Council “expresses its support for a nationwide ceasefire in Syria.” (emphasis added)

Given the about-face, Lavrov was visibly agitated, stating that “Resolution 2254 talks about the ceasefire only. This term is not liked by some members of the International Syria Support Group. What I’m referring to is how something that has been agreed upon should be implemented rather than try to remake the consensus that has been achieved in order to get some unilateral advantages.”

The “unilateral advantages” likely are in reference to the pause-and-regroup strategy Bhadrakumar previously articulated.

Despite this Russia agreed to the downgraded CoH; however, in the week leading up to the agreement there was a major hurdle to overcome, namely whether al-Nusra, the al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria, would be protected as a party to the truce.

It has long been a tenant of US propaganda that a sort of “third force” of “moderate opposition fighters” exists in Syria, separate and distinct from the extremists and al-Qaeda affiliates. Yet when push came to shove, the main stumbling-block in the way of the CoH was the opposition’s demand that any truce be “conditional on the al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front no longer being targeted.” Sources close to the talks would tell Reuters that this insistence was the main “elephant in the room” preventing a settlement.


https://off-guardian.org/2016/02/29/please-dont-attack-al-qaeda/


U.S., Russia In Dispute Over Strikes On Syrian Al-Qaeda Branch

Quote:

A behind-the-scenes dispute between the United States and Russia broke into the open on June 3, with Moscow claiming Washington asked it not to target Al-Qaeda's branch in Syria with air strikes.

"They are telling us not to hit it [Nusra Front], because there is 'normal' opposition next...to it," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in televised remarks after speaking with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry by phone.

He said that the U.S. demand runs counter to an earlier agreement that the United States and its allies would press opposition groups which have associated with Nusra in the past to distance themselves from the group and not physically locate near Nusra positions, so the blacklisted group can continue to be targeted with air strikes.

"The opposition must leave terrorists' positions, we long have agreed on that," Lavrov said. "Terrorism is a common threat, and most of our Western partners admit in conversations that there should be no excuses to delay the defeat of Islamic State and Jabhat Al-Nusra, which is trying to merge with other groups." ...


http://www.heraldglobe.com/index.php/sid/244651119


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Sunday, June 5, 2016 8:17 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

This used to be a PREDICTIONS thread.



Dilbert Comicbook Creator Scott Adams, about 9 months ago Predicted Trump Will Win

everyone thought it was a joke, now Trump is the real deal

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Monday, June 6, 2016 7:39 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Signy: "I would not be surprised to find the USA State Department accepting and even touting Al Nusra as a peace partner."



US Asks Russia to Not Hit Nusra Front in Syria, Moscow Says

Quote:

Russia's foreign minister said Washington has asked Moscow not to target the al-Qaida's branch in Syria, the Nusra Front, but the U.S. insisted Friday that it only wants Russia to carefully select it targets to avoid hitting civilians and legitimate opposition groups.

Sergey Lavrov said that Russia has long insisted that the moderate, U.S.-backed opposition groups should leave the areas occupied by Nusra. He said in televised remarks that Russia and the U.S. have engaged in close dialogue on how to secure a cease-fire in Syria, but added that fighting the Islamic State group and Nusra should be a top priority.

"They are telling us not to hit it (Nusra), because there is 'normal' opposition next .. to it," Lavrov said. "But that opposition must leave terrorists' positions, we long have agreed on that."




Please Don’t Attack Al-Qaeda

Quote:

In the weeks leading up to the agreed upon cessation-of-hostilities (CoH) agreement between the US and Russia, it was John Kerry’s diplomacy that was instrumental in “downgrading” the truce from a more forceful and legally binding ‘ceasefire’ agreement to the less intensive ‘cessation-of-hostilities’ now taking effect.

... According to the 29-year career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service, India’s former ambassador to Uzbekistan and Turkey M. K. Bhadrakumar, it is plainly because “the Russian military operations have met with devastating success lately in strengthening the Syrian regime and scattering the Syrian rebel groups,” leading “the US and its regional allies” to “stare at defeat.” Therefore, they “forthwith need an end to the Russian operations so that they can think up a Plan B. The Geneva talks will not have the desired outcome of President Bashar Al-Assad’s ouster unless the tide of war is reversed.” Therefore, “a cessation of hostilities in Syria is urgently needed.”

Judging by the fact that top US officials began announcing that Russia would break the deal immediately after it was agreed upon while calling for further measures to “inflict real pain on the Russians”, Bhadrakumar’s assessment that a pause, and not a permanent halt, was sought in order to regroup and eventually reverse the tide of war seems to be quite apt. As well there has been an almost ubiquitous media campaign in the US to prime the public for accusations of a Russian infraction, from which a breakdown of the deal would follow; the narrative portrayed is filled with “doubts” and “worries” and “statements from US officials” about how Russia isn’t serious and will likely break the agreement.

Furthermore, outwardly Russia is much more optimistic and invested in the deal, President Putin hopefully promoting it while engaging in a blitz of diplomacy to support it, while on the other hand the US has been less vocal and much quicker to doubt its outcomes.

However, this downgrading from a ‘ceasefire’ to a ‘cessation of hostilities’ actually violates past agreements.

In UN Security Council Resolution 2254, in which it was articulated that member states be committed to the “sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of the Syrian Arab Republic,” while calling on them to suppress ISIS, al-Nusra, and “all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al Qaeda or ISIL”, it was also agreed upon that the Security Council “expresses its support for a nationwide ceasefire in Syria.” (emphasis added)

Given the about-face, Lavrov was visibly agitated, stating that “Resolution 2254 talks about the ceasefire only. This term is not liked by some members of the International Syria Support Group. What I’m referring to is how something that has been agreed upon should be implemented rather than try to remake the consensus that has been achieved in order to get some unilateral advantages.”

The “unilateral advantages” likely are in reference to the pause-and-regroup strategy Bhadrakumar previously articulated.

Despite this Russia agreed to the downgraded CoH; however, in the week leading up to the agreement there was a major hurdle to overcome, namely whether al-Nusra, the al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria, would be protected as a party to the truce.

It has long been a tenant of US propaganda that a sort of “third force” of “moderate opposition fighters” exists in Syria, separate and distinct from the extremists and al-Qaeda affiliates. Yet when push came to shove, the main stumbling-block in the way of the CoH was the opposition’s demand that any truce be “conditional on the al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front no longer being targeted.” Sources close to the talks would tell Reuters that this insistence was the main “elephant in the room” preventing a settlement.


https://off-guardian.org/2016/02/29/please-dont-attack-al-qaeda/


U.S., Russia In Dispute Over Strikes On Syrian Al-Qaeda Branch

Quote:

A behind-the-scenes dispute between the United States and Russia broke into the open on June 3, with Moscow claiming Washington asked it not to target Al-Qaeda's branch in Syria with air strikes.

"They are telling us not to hit it [Nusra Front], because there is 'normal' opposition next...to it," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in televised remarks after speaking with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry by phone.

He said that the U.S. demand runs counter to an earlier agreement that the United States and its allies would press opposition groups which have associated with Nusra in the past to distance themselves from the group and not physically locate near Nusra positions, so the blacklisted group can continue to be targeted with air strikes.

"The opposition must leave terrorists' positions, we long have agreed on that," Lavrov said. "Terrorism is a common threat, and most of our Western partners admit in conversations that there should be no excuses to delay the defeat of Islamic State and Jabhat Al-Nusra, which is trying to merge with other groups." ...


http://www.heraldglobe.com/index.php/sid/244651119



Is a predictions thread supposed to have posts long enough to require Cliff's Notes?

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Monday, June 6, 2016 7:43 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Is a predictions thread supposed to have posts long enough to require Cliff's Notes?
Just evidence that one of my predictions has come true.

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Sunday, June 12, 2016 5:19 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.



Signy - "Given the stagnating USA economy, I doubt that the USA will now provide the market that previously acted as China's springboard. Manufacturing growth in India will be much, much slower."

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