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Breivik Admits Massacre, Claims Self-Defense

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Monday, April 16, 2012 7:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

With a defiant closed-fist salute, a right-wing fanatic admitted Monday to a bomb-and-shooting massacre that killed 77 people in Norway but pleaded not guilty to criminal charges, saying he was acting in self-defense.


"I don't recognize Norwegian courts because
you get your mandate from the Norwegian
political parties who support multiculturalism."


On the first day of his long-awaited trial, Anders Behring Breivik rejected the authority of the court as it sought to assign responsibility for the July 22 attacks that shocked Norway and jolted the image of terrorism in Europe.

Dressed in a dark suit and sporting a thin beard, Breivik smiled as a guard removed his handcuffs in the crowded court room. The 33-year-old then flashed his salute before shaking hands with prosecutors and court officials.

"I don't recognize Norwegian courts because you get your mandate from the Norwegian political parties who support multiculturalism," Breivik said in his first comments to the court.

Eight people were killed in Breivik's July 22 bombing of Oslo's government district and 69 others were slain in his shooting massacre at the left-leaning Labor Party's youth camp on Utoya island outside the capital. Breivik has said the attacks were necessary to protect Norway from being taken over by Muslims.

"I admit to the acts, but not criminal guilt," he told the court, insisting he had acted in self-defense.


The key issue to be resolved during the 10-week trial is the state of Breivik's mental health, which will decide whether he is sent to prison or into psychiatric care. Anxious to prove he is not insane, Brevik will call right-wing extremists and radical Islamists to testify during the trial, to show that others also share his view of clashing civilizations.

Norway's NRK television was broadcasting parts of the trial live but was not allowed to show Breivik's testimony.

During Monday's opening session, he remained stone-faced and motionless as prosecutors read the indictment on the terror and murder charges, with descriptions of how each victim died, and when they explained how he prepared for the attacks.

But Breivik suddenly became emotional when prosecutors showed an anti-Muslim video that he had posted on YouTube before the killing spree, wiping away tears on his cheek with trembling hands.

After a lunch break, Breivik was again expressionless as he watched prosecutors present surveillance footage of the Oslo explosion. The blast ripped through the high-rise building that housed government headquarters, blowing out windows and filling surrounding streets with smoke and debris.

He didn't flinch as prosecutors played a three-minute recording of a young woman's frantic phone call to police from Utoya.

"Shots have been fired," the woman, who survived the massacre, said with panic in her voice. "I'm pretty sure that there are many injured."

More than a dozen shots in close succession could be heard as the woman fell silent.

"Are you still there?" the police officer asked.

"Yes," she whispered. She fell silent again, breathing into the phone as more shots cracked in the background.

Breivik also announced he doesn't recognize the authority of Judge Wenche Elisabeth Arntzen, because he said she is friends with the sister of former Norwegian Prime Minister and Labor Party leader Gro Harlem Brundtland.

The anti-Muslim militant described himself as a writer, currently working from prison, when asked by the judge for his employment status.

He claims he targeted the government headquarters in Oslo and the youth camp to strike against the left-leaning political forces he blames for allowing immigration in Norway. More at http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2112068,00.html, if only they had a "stand your ground" law...

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2112068,00.html#ixzz1sDz
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Monday, April 16, 2012 6:20 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


The premeditated nature of this crime and the fact that he shot multiple groups of people in different places means I'd totally be okay with the death penalty. Norway doesn't have that though so we'll see what happens. That's so many people, including kids, mostly kids, all dead.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:35 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Guilty by reason of insanity.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:58 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Do you ever get the impression he refers to himself as "Wulfenstar" when he's online?






"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:27 AM

CAVETROLL


How did this guy not get judged insane?

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:03 AM

BYTEMITE


He's political grandstanding, deliberately trying for a guilty verdict so he can bring attention to his idiotic and indiscriminate fight for intolerance and make himself a martyr. It's not an uncommon reaction among captured extremists.

I have all my money on "has a full-on villainous breakdown in court." I see it coming one of three ways, his own defense hates him enough that they screw with him, the witnesses he wants to testify don't play to his expected views, and he'll also probably freak out at the sentencing.

I actually hope he doesn't get the death penalty, because that's clearly what he wants. Let him rot in a nice prison cell/mental hospital and deteriorate into a gibbering mess.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I think I'm with you 100% Byte, it sounds like that's the case, from everything I've seen. Wouldn't be surprised to see the "in-court breakdown" either.

Mike, nah, what he did took too much guts, horrific as it was.



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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:38 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
He's political grandstanding, deliberately trying for a guilty verdict so he can bring attention to his idiotic and indiscriminate fight for intolerance and make himself a martyr. It's not an uncommon reaction among captured extremists.

I have all my money on "has a full-on villainous breakdown in court." I see it coming one of three ways, his own defense hates him enough that they screw with him, the witnesses he wants to testify don't play to his expected views, and he'll also probably freak out at the sentencing.

I actually hope he doesn't get the death penalty, because that's clearly what he wants. Let him rot in a nice prison cell/mental hospital and deteriorate into a gibbering mess.




Exactly. Let him die alone, of rot and old age, alone and forgotten, nothing but a dark footnote in Norway's history.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:51 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
The premeditated nature of this crime and the fact that he shot multiple groups of people in different places means I'd totally be okay with the death penalty.



Maybe they'll make an exception.

Or maybe he can have an "accident" in prison.

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Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:18 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Good point Story, I think under the circumstances an "accident" in prison is most likely, since the average murderer still has a moral code and this guy pretty much sapped most moral codes, killing kids, in huge numbers, whacky extremist, etc.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Friday, April 20, 2012 2:14 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Kwicko -

"Do you ever get the impression he refers to himself as "Wulfenstar" when he's online?"

This guy gunned down a bunch of women and children.

So.

No.

Asshole.



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Friday, April 20, 2012 2:40 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


This guy says stuff pretty similar to what a lot of people have been saying in the US. He believes the use of deadly force is justified to rid the country of a system that he opposes. Just by chance that system is a democratic one, but he disagrees. he doesn't like the policies of his government and wants armed revolt.

Second amendment solution, anyone?

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Friday, April 20, 2012 4:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Kwicko -

"Do you ever get the impression he refers to himself as "Wulfenstar" when he's online?"

This guy gunned down a bunch of women and children.

So.

No.

Asshole.




But that's your wet dream - he firmly believes they are stupid rat creatures, as do you, and he's teaching a valuable lesson, so it's not as if he's killing actual PEOPLE. Which is EXACTLY the way you justify your fantasies. You never can be bothered to think about your intended victims as women and children, wives and daughters like your own, because if they aren't precious TO YOU, then they aren't precious AT ALL.

You.

Are.

Breivik.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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