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ACHXOY-MARTAN, Chechnya — Chechnya's government is openly approving of families that kill female relatives who violate their sense of honor, as this Russian republic embraces a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam after decades of religious suppression under Soviet rule.

In the past five years, the bodies of dozens of young Chechen women have been found dumped in woods, abandoned in alleys and left along roads in the capital, Grozny, and neighboring villages.

Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov publicly announced that the dead women had “loose morals” and were rightfully shot by male relatives. He went on to describe women as the property of their husbands, and said their main role is to bear children.

“If a woman runs around and if a man runs around with her, both of them should be killed,” said Mr. Kadyrov, who often has stated his goal of making Chechnya “more Islamic than the Islamists.”



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/29/chechen-women-in-morta
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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

And I lay good odds that the Religious Right here is not only drooling with envy, but actively and jealously pissed off that THEY can't do it here - as I say, not a dimes worth of difference between them.
Not a DIMES worth of difference.

-Frem

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It IS scary, Riona. This isn't some wack-job , fringe sect of zealots, living in caves or what not. This is the President of a sovereign state, speaking out in favor of such barbaric activity.

And his stated goal ? To make Chechnya “more Islamic than the Islamists.”

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Based on... what,exactly?

ANY evidence ya got, would be helpful.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It IS scary, Riona. This isn't some wack-job , fringe sect of zealots, living in caves or what not. This is the President of a sovereign state, speaking out in favor of such barbaric activity.

And his stated goal ? To make Chechnya “more Islamic than the Islamists.”

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Roight! We should invade them and try and make them like us. We could also spend trillions training some of their people to kill some of their other people, and once that cycle is self-sustaining we could leave! We got this one!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It IS scary, Riona. This isn't some wack-job , fringe sect of zealots, living in caves or what not. This is the President of a sovereign state, speaking out in favor of such barbaric activity.

And his stated goal ? To make Chechnya “more Islamic than the Islamists.”

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Roight! We should invade them and try and make them like us. We could also spend trillions training some of their people to kill some of their other people, and once that cycle is self-sustaining we could leave! We got this one!

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Based on... what,exactly?

ANY evidence ya got, would be helpful.

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Based on the DEMONSTRATED conduct of the relgious right, via the GOP in their constant attempts to dehumanize women and strip them of their rights.
Of course, expecting you to actually pay attention is like expecting you to make sense.
Doomed to fail - kinda like the jackboots you so adore.

-Frem

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Originally posted by RahlMaclaren:
Remind me how the snarking of NASA has anything to do with this.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It IS scary, Riona. This isn't some wack-job , fringe sect of zealots, living in caves or what not. This is the President of a sovereign state, speaking out in favor of such barbaric activity.

And his stated goal ? To make Chechnya “more Islamic than the Islamists.”

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Roight! We should invade them and try and make them like us. We could also spend trillions training some of their people to kill some of their other people, and once that cycle is self-sustaining we could leave! We got this one!

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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No one said anything about invading them, did they ?

But it seems you're just fine w/ the Muslim war on women.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

To the exact same degree that you're just fine with the Christian war on gays in Africa, it seems.

And if you're not seeking an invasion, what exactly is your solution? (Hint: According to your logic, if you don't have one, that means you're just fine with what they're doing.)

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You mean like the make-believe conversation you had earlier, where you insisted that someone was just fine with a "Muslim war on women", words you pulled out of your ass and which nobody here has said? Those kinds of make-believe conversations?

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According to Dr. Shahrzad Mojab, a University of Toronto professor of women’s studies, followers of Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and Christianity have used their religions as a rationale to commit honour killings. However, Mojab stated that honor killings don't have "any definite connection with religion at all." She alleged, without providing evidence, that honor killings have been practised before any major religion came into existence.[24]

Widney Brown, the advocacy director of Human Rights Watch, said that the practice "goes across cultures and across religions." Human rights advocates have compared "honor killing" to "crimes of passion" in Latin America (which are sometimes treated extremely leniently) and also to the killing of women for lack of dowry in India.[25]

Tahira Shaid Khan, a professor of women’s issues at Aga Khan University, notes that there is nothing in the Qur'an that permits or sanctions honor killings.[25] The first and most basic right in the Qur'an that every Muslim is expected to follow is, in fact, the right to life. [26] As written in the Qur'an,

For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth. (5:32) .[27]

Khan instead blames it on attitudes (across different classes, ethnic and religious groups) that view women as property with no rights of their own as the motivation for honor killings.[25] Khan also argues that this view results in violence against women and their being turned “into a commodity which can be exchanged, bought and sold.” [28]

A survey by author, Ellen Sheeley revealed that 20% of Jordanites sampled, believe that Islam condones and even supports murder in the name of family honor.[29] Others note how religious meaning attached to terms such as virginity and bride-price help to reinforce social traditions and the control of women’s body and their sexuality. [30]

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There is nothing is Islam that condones honour killing, regardless of what Muslim clerics or western news reports claim.

if you research honour killings, you will note that the practice of honour killings is cultural rather than religious in origin.

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The world is much more complicated that 'Islam bad' as your posts imply, I wish you would take the time to read a bit more and think a little less black and white on issues.

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And yes honour killings OF COURSE must be condemned by the International Community, as must other practises that denigrate and devalue women.

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so to help with your apparent struggles with literacy, here it is again

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And yes honour killings OF COURSE must be condemned by the International Community, as must other practises that denigrate and devalue women.

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please stop trying to infer that anyone condones this practise. It's a very dishonest way of participating in discussion.

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so to help with your apparent struggles with literacy, here it is again

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And yes honour killings OF COURSE must be condemned by the International Community, as must other practises that denigrate and devalue women.

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please stop trying to infer that anyone condones this practise. It's a very dishonest way of participating in discussion.

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No idea what you're going on about here, as I inferred no such thing. And speaking of literacy, I went so far as to underline the point I was making reference to, so there'd be no misunderstanding my point.

Which clearly, you did.

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"Earth Improvement Agency".

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Nope. Because there actually IS a Muslim war on women. *points to top of thread, specifically at title *

Ignore it all you want. You usually do.

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More bullshit from JAYNZE.

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Details: Kadyrov confirmed that a Hamas rocket fell near a mosque he erected in honour of his father in an Israeli settlement not far from Jerusalem, damaging it. He asked both sides to refrain from attacks on the mosque.

Quote: "I’m once again urging all Muslims, all citizens, and our state to support the truth and put an end to this war. Or send us there on a peacekeeping mission. We will decide who’s right and who’s wrong. We will stop those who continue fighting."

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