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Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:25 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Today I got a new propaganda piece which included some interesting charts. One of the charts in particular caught my eye. It was creatively constructed in such a way as to create supreme visual impact.

--Anthony

Quote:


To All:

Just thought you'd like to chew on these stats for a while. It paints a scary picture of the economy if Obama gets in and the Dems get control of the Congress again.

No, I did not check them out with the Library of Congress or any other place:-) However, I've seen or read many of these stats on TV, the Internet, and news magazines. This is just something you should give some thought to prior to November.

Remember one thing... It's not just Obama whose caused the economic problems of our nation. IT'S THE CONGRESS!!! Think of that when you vote in November.





Just passin it on..........Please read the last section, if you think this cannot or wont happen in your state....you are sadly mistakenThis is a real easy view of our current president's accomplishments. I would suggest that you pass this one to those who do not follow politics and vote. Interesting statisticsCharts on the Obama Years























NOW for the final exam:
1. Why is California so broke?

California


Just One State , this is only one State............... If this doesn't open your eyes nothing will !



From the L. A. Times

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal aliens working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most-wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.


(All 8 of the above statements are from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration.
29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.


This is only one State. the Nancy Pelosi crowd wants them all to become voters!


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Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:27 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Sadly, I must host these charts somewhere before I can post them for you to see. The email has them embedded as photos and not as links. I will do that as soon as possible.

--Anthony

ETA: I found the chart I really wanted you all to see. It's very creatively crafted.






Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz



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Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:56 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Where did they GET those figures? I don't believe them for one minute...no cites were provided or anything? They're just plain insane!

and yes, I did see
Quote:

No, I did not check them out with the Library of Congress or any other place:-) However, I've seen or read many of these stats on TV, the Internet, and news magazines
But it also says "From the LA Times"...very strange.


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Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:57 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Oh, a lot of the figures seem... questionable... to me. But what I really wanted to show was the chart.

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz



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Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:59 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, the chart is cute, very sneaky. Of course, that has nothing to do with the fact of the "Great Recession" starting under Bush and getting to its worst point after Obama took over, and of course the people it's aiming to convince just see the big tall bloxk...bah.

But the figures...I gotta check those out.


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Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)







According to this chart, it looks like we've leveled off as the economy begins to recover, and the trend is heading downward.






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:12 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

My favorite line from the email is this one:

Quote:

It's not just Obama whose caused the economic problems of our nation.


Which made me think, "Ah. A fair and balanced viewpoint. They are about to point out that our economic problems also stem from factors that predate Obama's Presidency and also stem from some poor practices in the private sec-"

Quote:

IT'S THE CONGRESS!!!


Never mind.

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz



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Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






This one shows even stronger evidence of that downward trend.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:14 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ahh, I found this:
Quote:

The power of the Internet (and the compulsion of many Internet users to forward anything marked "forward" that lands in their inboxes) has kept a list of mostly incorrect immigration myths in circulation for over a year. Because many of these myths had been attributed to The Times, this blog debunked them in two earlier posts. Now we present them again below, hopefully preempting any flurry of email-forwarding that may follow tomorrow's protest.


Fact" 1: Less than two percent of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.

Factual basis? Pew Hispanic Center found last year that four percent of illegal immigrants work in farming (compared to 0.5% of the native population). Most illegal immigrants work in services (31%) or construction (19%). Illegal immigrants are generally barred from receiving welfare (they can access emergency medical care and a K-12 education). The tough-on-illegal-immigration think tank Center for Immigration Studies reports in 2004:

In terms of welfare use, receipt of cash assistance programs tends to be very low, while Medicaid use, though significant, is still less than for other households. Only use of food assistance programs is significantly higher than that of the rest of the population.

CIS goes on to state that, on balance, illegal immigrants take more in services than they pay in taxes, but that is disputed.


"Fact" 4: 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

Factual Basis? Thirty seven percent of inmates in federal prisons are noncitizens, according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons. The number of them that are illegal immigrants isn't offered by the Bureau, though they do note that 10% of the offenses are immigration-related. [UPDATE: A new study (pdf) points out that immigrants -- legal and illegal -- have lower incarceration rates than native-born residents.]


"Fact" 1: 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

LAT citations: None.

Factual basis: The Economic Roundtable, a research outfit affiliated with the Los Angeles County government, concluded in a December 2005 report [PDF] that the low-end estimate for LA County workers working for cash is 322,400 and the high end is 972,500 in 2000. From this, the Economic Roundtable paper extrapolates a mid-range 2004 estimate of 679,000, or 15% of the workforce. (Note that the total workforce of Los Angeles County is about 4.5 million, while the total population is closer to 10 million.)


"Fact" 2: 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

LAT citations: May 15, 2005 — "According to Heather MacDonald of the Manhattan Institute, 95% of the hundreds of outstanding homicide warrants (and 60% of outstanding felony warrants) in L.A. are for illegal immigrants."

Similar citations: January 19, 2004

Factual basis: An outstanding warrant is quite a different beast than a regular warrant, so this "fact" left out the key word. We did some more checking on the outstanding warrants point itself. MacDonald stated this in a 2004 City Journal article, and in testimony before the House of Representatives in spring 2005, noting that this came to 1,200-1,500 warrants. One LAPD officer cited the same factoid in the National Review earlier this year, saying that it's specific to "the first half of 2004". But Jane Robison, press secretary for the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office, told us that the D.A. does not keep track of this number; a representative with Detective Headquarters said the same.


"Fact" 3: 75% of people on the Most Wanted List in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

LAT citations: None.

Factual basis: We can't locate such a fact anywhere. The Los Angeles Police Department's most wanted list contains a number of people with unknown or obscured identities, suggesting that tallying the legal status of everyone on the list would be very difficult if not impossible. Ditto for the FBI's most-wanted list.


"Fact" 4: Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

LAT citations: Jan. 15, 1999 — "As many as 70,000 illegal immigrants a year use state-funded prenatal services." (Similar citations: Jan. 14, 1999, June 12, 1998, March 6, 1998, Jan. 30, 1998, Jan. 4, 1998, Dec. 18, 1997, Aug. 26, 1997, July 10, 1997, Feb. 6, 1997, Nov. 13, 1996, Nov. 5, 1996, Nov. 2, 1996, OCt. 24, 1996, Oct. 17, 1996)
Feb. 14, 1999 — "Two-thirds of all births here are to foreign-born mothers." (Similar citation: July 25, 2004 — "40% of the births in California are to foreign-born women.")
July 7, 1998 — "[Rep. Elton] Gallegly [(R-Simi Valley)] cited a 1990-91 Los Angeles County study that showed that two-thirds of the women giving birth in public hospitals were undocumented." (Similar citations: Oct. 2, 1995, July 19, 1995, June 11, 1995, Jan. 27, 1995, Nov. 21, 1993, Sept. 13, 1993, Aug. 17, 1993, Aug. 1, 1993, May 28, 1992, Apr. 2, 1992, Oct. 26, 1991, Oct. 24, 1991)

Factual basis: None of these citations establishes the "fact" above. According to the California Department of Health Services, 158,782 babies were born in L.A. County in 2001 (these are the most recent statistics available online). Of these, 99,089 were to Hispanic mothers. That's just under 2/3 — 62.4% for all Hispanic moms, which would include legal and undocumented mothers from Mexico as well as other countries.


"Fact" 5: Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

LAT citations: May 1, 2005, in an op-ed by Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Col.) — "More than 10% of the inmates in U.S. jails and prisons are illegal aliens, and in California it is more than 20%."

July 11, 2004 — "Each year, the [Los Angeles] County Jail system processes about 170,000 inmates, and federal officials estimate that a fourth of them are illegal immigrants. But with just a fraction of the foreign-born being questioned, officials say it is impossible to know exactly how many illegal immigrants are in the system and how much the county should receive in federal compensation." (Similar citations for Riverside County, Apr. 12, 2006; Anaheim city, Nov. 5, 1997, June 27, 1996; Los Angeles County, Jan. 25, 1996, Jan. 15, 1996, July 10, 1995, May 23, 1995; state and county, Nov. 27, 1993, June 1, 1993, Oct. 19, 1992, Oct. 6, 1992, Aug. 4, 1992, Aug. 18, 1991, Dec. 16, 1990, Dec. 4, 1985)

Factual basis: The 25% figure could be approximately correct for state and federal prisons in California, or correct for county, at least as of 2004. But "detention centers" is an extremely broad term that could include all juvenile detention facilities, federal prisons, state prisons, and county jails in California's 58 counties — making this figure very tough to come by. The San Francisco Chronicle offered a lower figure for state prisons on May 4: "Of the nearly 171,000 inmates crowding state prisons, 22,478, or about 13 percent as of March 31, are undocumented immigrants or are suspected of being undocumented." The Federation for American Immigration Reform, a group in favor of reducing immigration, offers a lower figure for L.A. County jails: "Deportable aliens comprise 11% of the Los Angeles County jail population costing the county an estimated $75 million a year."


"Fact" 6: Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

LAT citations: Jan. 31, 1994 — "As many as 100,000 families in Los Angeles County are believed to be living in bootlegged apartments or illegally converted garages."
May 24, 1987 — "A systematic survey by The Times indicates that about 42,000 garages are sheltering about 200,000 people in Los Angeles County." (Similar citations: Apr. 3, 1989)

Factual basis: None of these estimates makes clear who among those taking shelter in garages are in the country illegally. No comment so far from county offices. One City of Los Angeles representative said that the last tally was done over five years ago, and found 50,000 to 70,000 illegally converted units in the city of Los Angeles, out of about 800,000 residences.


"Fact" 7: The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

LAT citations: May 15, 2005, in an op-ed by attorney Carol Platt Liebau — "Of the membership of the notorious 18th Street gang, estimated at 20,000, fully 60% are illegal aliens, according to a 1995 report by the state Department of Justice." (Similar citations: Jan. 19, 2004, March 25, 2000, June 11, 1997, Dec. 17, 1996, Nov. 21, 1996, Nov. 17, 1996)

Factual basis: Heather MacDonald of Manhattan Institute stated that "No one knows for certain the percentage of illegals in gangs, thanks in large part to sanctuary laws themselves." She does offer some statistics in the City Journal:

A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. [...]

The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li.

Even if you accept the 18th Street Gang estimates, which would be notoriously difficult to determine with accuracy, that's just one gang in a city where several prominent gangs — including the Crips, Bloods and Aryan Nation — are not largely comprised of immigrants, at least not from "south of the border."


"Fact" 8: Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

LAT citations: None.

Factual basis: No comment yet from HUD, and the only statistic we found online is at FAIR, and it is for only the state of California:

The state Housing and Community Development department has prepared new screening rules based on the welfare reform legislation adopted by Congress in 1996 that would ban illegal aliens from public housing programs. The HCD estimates that as many as 5 percent of 25,000 housing units could be affected. http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2007/04/may_day_mythbus.html

Okay, I get it. Assholes. I didn't copy everything, nor do I think this covers all the "facts" in that propaganda piece...I'm pooped and it's time for dinner, so I just pulled what seemed pertinent. Anyone can go to the site if they want more.

Apparently there are at least two of these "lists" out there, as they debunked "facts" 1-5, then another listing "facts" 1-10...some of what you posted is on one list or the other, and there are other things on both lists. None of this is suprising I guess, sigh...I'm sure glad I'm on nobody's propganada e-mail list, I don't need the aggravation of reading lies.


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Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Why does California get such a bad rap for its budget woes, but Texas usually gets held up as some kind of Utopia? Texas has budget woes nearly as bad as California's, with a much smaller economy to try to sort them out.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:23 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Because Republicans love Texas and hate anything having to do with California, of course. Surprised you needed to ask... ;o)

Thanx for the charts, by the way...nice to see something that makes SENSE.


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Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:24 PM

MAL4PREZ


I wonder if Anthony is referring to scale. I remade the graph with the same numbers:



The graph from Anthony's junk mail blew up the scale on the vertical axis, making it look like the the number of FS increased by a factor of 5 or 6. Scaling from 0, the increase looks like what it is: less severe with an increase of less than a factor of 2.

Kwicko's post showing the *change* in #, is more telling. Seems like food stamps have done what they're supposed to: kept people going through hard times so they could make it through. Republicans would prefer that poor starve and die off, I guess.

ETA: the other graph, for easier comparison:



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Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:35 PM

REDREAD

The poster formerly known as yinyang.


Yeah, the y-axis scale starts at a number much higher than zero to make it look like very few people were on food stamps previously, which is a very classic distortion tactic. But, the 39.5 million bar is also higher than the 40 million mark, as shown here:



And this is more like what the chart should be with the full and proper y-axis scale. For some reason Excel shows the 39.5 million right at the 38 million line, at least in 3-D:



In 2-D everything lines up fine:



I also went and took a look at the (really tiny) link the chart presumably used as a source,* to see if the numbers were accurate. As far as I can tell, they are, so at least this chart isn't a complete failure.

* http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/SNAPsummary.htm

(ETA: Aww, ninja'd! I need to learn how to work quicker. When I started composing this, only Anthony had posted.)

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Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:36 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Yes, Mal. ETA: And Red! By not setting the floor at 'zero' the chart makers were able to create a huge visual impact that is misleading in its proportion. I thought it was some very creative chartmaking.

--Anthony





Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz



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Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:53 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by REDREAD:
(ETA: Aww, ninja'd! I need to learn how to work quicker. When I started composing this, only Anthony had posted.)



I am the Master of the Excel. Challenge me at your peril bwa-ha-ha-haaa!



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Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:01 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Yes, Mal. ETA: And Red! By not setting the floor at 'zero' the chart makers were able to create a huge visual impact that is misleading in its proportion. I thought it was some very creative chartmaking.


Hmm. I don't think of it as so very creative. A wise teacher once told me: always read a graph from the outside in. Axis labels first, then the numbers, then the stuff in the box. If you've had a decent science/math teacher, you'll look for this right off and see the problem here.

Unfortunately, most Americans have not had a decent science/math teacher. And even more in our future won't, given the way our education system is going.

BTW, the fourth thing to look for is error bars, but our media is soooo bad that they never include such a thing. My good teacher's example: a reading on pollutant levels that was something like 11 (with some units, I forget the details). But if you read a line down you might note that the uncertainty was plus or minus 14. Really. Think about that.

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Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:15 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Admittedly, the word 'creative' may be my own creative substitution for another word or words.

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz



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Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:18 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Admittedly, the word 'creative' may be my own creative substitution for another word or words.


Ah. Got it.

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Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:01 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Because Republicans love Texas and hate anything having to do with California, of course. Surprised you needed to ask... ;o)

Thanx for the charts, by the way...nice to see something that makes SENSE.





Oh, I really didn't need to ask - I just like it when people bring up Cali as the 'OH NOES!' poster child for socialism run amok, and then they usually hold up Texas as the poster child for "small-gubmint" free-market Utopia. Let's see... Cali, $17b deficit... huge economy... huge population... Texas, $27b deficit... big economy (smaller than Cali)... smaller population than Cali... lower education achievement...

Seems California's doing something right that Texas isn't.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Friday, July 20, 2012 3:29 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:





According to this chart, it looks like we've leveled off as the economy begins to recover, and the trend is heading downward.




Then again there was about the same downward trend towards the end of the Bush administration, in October and November of 2008. Now the Obama administration only has to get another 14 million folks off the food stamp rolls to match that number.

All in all, looks pretty much like your chart is confirming the chart Anthony received.

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Friday, July 20, 2012 5:26 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:





According to this chart, it looks like we've leveled off as the economy begins to recover, and the trend is heading downward.



I hope it continues to go downward Kwick, but you can see the concern here....

Our last Great president, Clinton, would never have weathered a 2nd presidency had things been this bad. 1 in 7 Americans today are on foodstamps.

I'm actually quite proud to live in a state where they wouldn't even consider me.

I looked into it. Whether you own a house, rent an apartment, or suck "you know what" for crack, you can't have more than 2k in the bank, and there is some "algorithm" used against the vehicle you drive above that to further determine if you're eligible.

In Illinios, I would have walked out of that office with 200 bucks a month "free" money and a hand job on the way out.

I guess that's why everyone who is smart enough and financially able enough to do so is "crossing the boarder".

LOL... I'm like a F'King Mexican now.... LOL.

I hopped the border, avoided 3/4's of the taxes I would have paid 5 miles West of me, and I work a job that "nobody wants to do".

I'm actually speechless.....

I don't know what to say, except....



"Yo Quiero Taco Bell"

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Friday, July 20, 2012 9:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

All in all, looks pretty much like your chart is confirming the chart Anthony received.
What a laugh...it doesn't look ANYTHING LIKE what Anthony received, which was a rigged chart to make a point. What this chart shows is that food stamps have gone up ever since 2006, that the difference between Clinton, Bush and Obama is in true proportion, AND that it has gone down steadily since December 2011.

What a marvelously nonpartisan way to view this propaganda. I should start scoring your posts, except that the side on the left would never get a single point!


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Friday, July 20, 2012 10:23 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Why does California get such a bad rap for its budget woes, but Texas usually gets held up as some kind of Utopia? Texas has budget woes nearly as bad as California's, with a much smaller economy to try to sort them out.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy



Texas enjoys its own extra-special level of American Exceptionalism.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Fri, March 29, 2024 02:54 - 3414 posts
BUILD BACK BETTER!
Fri, March 29, 2024 02:49 - 11 posts
Russia says 60 dead, 145 injured in concert hall raid; Islamic State group claims responsibility
Fri, March 29, 2024 00:45 - 56 posts
Elections; 2024
Fri, March 29, 2024 00:33 - 2075 posts
Long List of Celebrities that are Still Here
Fri, March 29, 2024 00:00 - 1 posts
China
Thu, March 28, 2024 22:10 - 447 posts
Biden
Thu, March 28, 2024 22:03 - 853 posts
Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Thu, March 28, 2024 17:20 - 6155 posts
Well... He was no longer useful to the DNC or the Ukraine Money Laundering Scheme... So justice was served
Thu, March 28, 2024 12:44 - 1 posts
Salon: NBC's Ronna blunder: A failed attempt to appeal to MAGA voters — except they hate her too
Thu, March 28, 2024 07:04 - 1 posts
Russian losses in Ukraine
Wed, March 27, 2024 23:21 - 987 posts
human actions, global climate change, global human solutions
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