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Saturday, November 24, 2012 1:40 AM

GEEZER

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A couple have had three foster children removed from their care because they belong to the UK Independence Party.

Rotherham Borough Council said the children were "not indigenous white British" and that it had concerns about UKIP's stance on immigration.

It said it had to consider the "needs of the children longer term".

The unnamed couple told the Daily Telegraph social workers had accused them of belonging to a "racist party". UKIP said it was an appalling decision.

Rotherham Borough Council's Strategic Director of Children and Young People's Services, Joyce Thacker, told the BBC that her decision was influenced by UKIP's immigration policy, which she said calls for the end of the "active promotion of multiculturalism".

UKIP's immigration policy states the party wants an "end [to] the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government", and urges Britain to leave the European Union (EU).

The Labour Party has called for an investigation into the Labour-run council's decision, after claims from UKIP it could have been politically motivated.

'Dumbfounded'

The couple, who have been approved foster parents for seven years, were eight weeks into the placement when they were approached by social workers about their membership of the party.

The wife told the Daily Telegraph: "I was dumbfounded. Then my question to both of them was, 'What has UKIP got to do with having the children removed?'


"Then one of them said, 'Well, UKIP have got racist policies.' The implication was that we were racist. [The social worker] said UKIP does not like European people and wants them all out of the country to be returned to their own countries."

The paper says the woman denied she was racist but the children were taken away by the end of the week.

She said the social worker told her: "We would not have placed these children with you had we known you were members of UKIP because it wouldn't have been the right cultural match."

The couple said they had been "stigmatised and slandered".

Ms Thacker said she did not regret the decision, which was reached after "a lot of soul searching".

"These children are not UK children and we were not aware of the foster parents having strong political views. There are some strong views in the UKIP party and we have to think of the future of the children."

She added during an interview with BBC Radio 4's Today: "I have to look at the children's cultural and ethnic needs.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20474120

Most of the comments following the BBC article think this is wrong, and I tend to agree.

Would anyone here feel comfortable denying Tea Party Republicans or Socialist Party USA members the right to foster children? If so, why?

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Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:27 AM

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How revolting!

In Amerika, we treat 3rd parties right...we arrest them!

http://rt.com/usa/news/police-jill-stein-debate-589/




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Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:48 AM

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/9700387/Council-poised-f
or-U-turn-after-taking-foster-children-away-from-UKIP-members.html


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Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:51 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Geezer:

Would anyone here feel comfortable denying Tea Party Republicans or Socialist Party USA members the right to foster children? If so, why?



I honestly think many here would applaud denying TEA party parents the right to foster children.

However, if they were GAY TEA party parents, they might have to think for second on that one.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, November 24, 2012 4:00 PM

KPO

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Would anyone here feel comfortable denying Tea Party Republicans or Socialist Party USA members the right to foster children?

You're missing some of the point here. It's not treating some political views as unacceptable, it's saying those with certain strong political views should not be matched with certain children. An extreme example would be disallowing a card-carrying KKK family to foster black kids. UKIP is quite a right-wing, nationalistic, anti-immigration party. And the children were 'non-indigenous white British'. I still think the calculation was wrong, especially if there were no reasons to think that after 8 weeks the placement was encountering difficulties, but I can understand the reasoning.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, November 24, 2012 4:02 PM

KPO

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I honestly think many here would applaud denying TEA party parents the right to foster children.

That's a very hysterical statement.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, November 26, 2012 9:10 AM

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In response to your question Geezer I would say no, if the parents haven't done anything that would endanger the kids then they shouldn't be denied. In this situation I might be able to understand what happened though, I can't say blatently that I support the decision without more info, but I think I understand it.

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Monday, November 26, 2012 10:27 AM

ANTHONYT

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Originally posted by kpo:
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I honestly think many here would applaud denying TEA party parents the right to foster children.

That's a very hysterical statement.

It's not personal. It's just war.



Hello,

It's values projection.

--Anthony


Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:44 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
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I honestly think many here would applaud denying TEA party parents the right to foster children.

That's a very hysterical statement.

It's not personal. It's just war.



It's a sober statement, based on the hysterical views of some have, against the TEA party supporters, displayed here, and by some hardened, radical socialists political figures in this country.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:14 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Obviously the Tea Party is plenty disliked, here and elsewhere. But the question is whether or not people would welcome authoritarian penalties against Tea Party members, such as banning them from fostering children.

Can you provide quotes of people here promoting this or similar measures against the Tea Party?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:27 AM

AURAPTOR

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Don't have to provide quotes. It's an opinion, based on the views shown towards the TEA party positions, the distortions of who represents the TEA party movement, and the baseless, deranged vitriol, as shown by Maxine Waters, against those who make up the TEA party movement.

it's a common theme, where folks get riled up and hating another person, or group, based on lies and rumors, and before long, dislike turns to outward animosity, towards violence and denial of rights.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:46 AM

KPO

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Ok, no quotes. So your opinion isn't based on what people have actually said, but on what you suspect them of secretly feeling.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:51 AM

ANTHONYT

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it's a common theme, where folks get riled up and hating another person, or group, based on lies and rumors, and before long, dislike turns to outward animosity, towards violence and denial of rights.


Hello,

Mr. Raptor's post quoted for irony.

--Anthony


Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:58 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Ah yes, like his call for forced sterilisation of welfare mothers.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:34 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by kpo:
Ah yes, like his call for forced sterilisation of welfare mothers.

It's not personal. It's just war.



You're kidding, right ?

Because I never said that. But thanks for taking me completely out of context, and ignoring the fact that I was talking about ONE specific case, where a mother in Florida had multiple kids, no real means to support them, and then had the nerve to declare that SOMEBODY is going to have to pay!! , being completely oblivious to the mess SHE herself had taken part in creating.

I never once implied , or called for " welfare mothers " to be sterilized.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:42 PM

ANTHONYT

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I was talking about ONE specific case


Hello,

This is the level of self-deception afoot. Denial based on the grammatical detail of plurality rather than substantive content.

--Anthony


Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:46 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:

I was talking about ONE specific case


Hello,

This is the level of self-deception afoot. Denial based on the grammatical detail of plurality rather than substantive content.



What a bunch of horseshit. You're just pissed that you can't lay claim that I was calling for WELFARE MOTHERS to be sterilized, and I was commenting on one extreme, specific situation.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:50 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:

I was talking about ONE specific case


Hello,

This is the level of self-deception afoot. Denial based on the grammatical detail of plurality rather than substantive content.



What a bunch of horseshit. You're just pissed that you can't lay claim that I was calling for WELFARE MOTHERS to be sterilized, and I was commenting on one extreme, specific situation.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Hello,

Allow me to illustrate how a compassionate, thoughtful human being might respond to such an accusation, rather than grasping at the detail of plurality.

"When I said that, I was flush with anger at the gall and gross audacity of such a woman. Her position was far beyond anything reasonable, and sought to take advantage of others. It incensed me. But now that my anger has subsided, I realize the statement I made in that moment does not truly reflect my feelings on the matter. I do not actually advocate for anyone to be forcibly sterilized. I spoke in the heat of the moment, and I find I regret ever making such a statement."

--Anthony


Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:06 PM

AURAPTOR

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Hey Mr Compassionate, back up for a second.

Before you wander off into the great, wide open land of tangents, do you think for a second that , MAYBE, I might be more concerned about how MY views are, once again, being distorted and things I never said are being attributed to what and how I think ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:10 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Hey Mr Compassionate, back up for a second.

Before you wander off into the great, wide open land of tangents, do you think for a second that , MAYBE, I might be more concerned about how MY views are, once again, being distorted and things I never said are being attributed to what and how I think ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Hello,

You believe your views are being distorted?

"Hey, I only said I wanted ONE welfare mother to be sterilized!"*

The fact that you think the number is the critical bit in need of clarification and protection makes me feel that you don't get the point at all, and have no idea which part of your views are repugnant.

--Anthony


*Paraphrasing

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:45 PM

AURAPTOR

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What I find repugnant is the automatic stance by you in thinking I was talking FORCED sterilization as an option,only, and not even considering I MIGHT have suggested it be a choice, for the mother. And at no cost to her, either.

Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures.

We think nothing of free abortions for the poor, yet why is it so horrific to suggest free sterilizations, to those in extreme, dire situations instead ?

What, too radical for you ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:01 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

What I find repugnant is the automatic stance by you in thinking I was talking FORCED sterilization as an option,only, and not even considering I MIGHT have suggested it be a choice, for the mother. And at no cost to her, either.

Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures.

We think nothing of free abortions for the poor, yet why is it so horrific to suggest free sterilizations, to those in extreme, dire situations instead ?

What, too radical for you ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "




http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=53359&mid=9
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Quoth Nick:
Quote:

You can't have claim to believe in freedom and want to dictate to people when and if they can have children.


Quoth Raptor:

Quote:

Yeah, I can, when the choices of having kids becomes a burden on society, and endangers the health and well being of her other kids.


Quoth Signy:

Quote:

How do you reconcile your support of "freedom" and also advocate forced sterilization?


Quoth Raptor:

Quote:

In this case, how do you NOT stop this lady from having more kids ?



Hello,

I wonder where people get the crazy idea you advocate forced sterilization on anybody. We must have had a shared delusion. Thank goodness you clarified (redefined when it became inconvenient) your position.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:11 PM

AURAPTOR

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Far from merely wanting to put welfare mothers in shackles, and dragging them off to clinics, in standard, routine fashion, now isn't it ?

You could say, like Obama, my position 'evolved', to offer up a more flexible solution, than the one i posed, in the heat of exchanges, back some months ago. Only, unlike Obama, I'm not completely flipping, out of sheer expediency, to try to win folks over. I still hold to my original view, that in such drastic, rare instances, extraordinary measures must be taken.

You seem like you'd rather squabble on semantics, day in and day out, instead of facing the problem, and actually offering up a viable solution.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:16 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Far from merely wanting to put welfare mothers in shackles, and dragging them off to clinics, in standard, routine fashion, now isn't it ?


Hello,

Not very far, since you wanted to force it on this woman.

Quote:

You could say, like Obama, my position 'evolved', to offer up a more flexible solution, than the one i posed, in the heat of exchanges, back some months ago.


I would very much like to say that. I'd like to believe that your thinking can evolve.

Quote:

I still hold to my original view, that in such drastic, rare instances, extraordinary measures must be taken.


Wait, what? What measures? You just said you evolved away from your original view, but here you say you hold to it.

Be clear. Do you still advocate forced sterilization or not?

Quote:

You seem like you'd rather squabble on semantics, day in and day out, instead of facing the problem, and actually offering up a viable solution.


You get hung up on pluralities and the exact nature of testifying, and wish to accuse me of getting hung up on semantics? I'm not hung up on semantics. I'm hung up on forced sterilization.

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:14 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Speaking of sterilization, my brother just got a vacectomy! We're glad, because he has four little ones and has trouble supporting them all, plus this new little one has differences so maybe he and his wife (this is the only one they've produced together) shouldn't have any more anyways. The other piece of good news is that our state insurance, which he and I both have paid for it! Which hopefully means that when I'm ready to get "fixed" my insurance will pay for me too! Because it will save them a lot of money if they pay for me to get done, because I won't have kids for them to support later, so it behooves them to just fork over the cash and tie my tubes. I need to look into it so I know for when the time comes.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:04 AM

KPO

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Because I never said that. But thanks for taking me completely out of context, and ignoring the fact that I was talking about ONE specific case

You absurd little weasel. Nobody calls for policy changes/new legislation just to deal with ONE single person. It wouldn't even be possible to do that. If you call for sterilisation of one welfare mother, you're calling for the sterilisation of all welfare mothers who are in a similar position. Hence 'calling for the sterilisation of welfare mothers (plural)'.

Quote:

I MIGHT have suggested it be a choice, for the mother.

Lies! I think the person you lie to first is yourself - and then by the time you repeat it to others you already sincerely BELIEVE it.


It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

What I find repugnant is the automatic stance by you in thinking I was talking FORCED sterilization as an option,only, and not even considering I MIGHT have suggested it be a choice, for the mother. And at no cost to her, either.

Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures.

We think nothing of free abortions for the poor, yet why is it so horrific to suggest free sterilizations, to those in extreme, dire situations instead ?

What, too radical for you ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "




http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=53359&mid=9
15405


Quoth Nick:
Quote:

You can't have claim to believe in freedom and want to dictate to people when and if they can have children.


Quoth Raptor:

Quote:

Yeah, I can, when the choices of having kids becomes a burden on society, and endangers the health and well being of her other kids.


Quoth Signy:

Quote:

How do you reconcile your support of "freedom" and also advocate forced sterilization?


Quoth Raptor:

Quote:

In this case, how do you NOT stop this lady from having more kids ?



Hello,

I wonder where people get the crazy idea you advocate forced sterilization on anybody. We must have had a shared delusion. Thank goodness you clarified (redefined when it became inconvenient) your position.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz



Stop picking on the poor (mental) invalid. You know he has no defense against his own words.

Its not nice to pick on the handicapped.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:09 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:

If you call for sterilisation of one welfare mother, you're calling for the sterilisation of all welfare mothers who are in a similar position. Hence 'calling for the sterilisation of welfare mothers (plural)'.




No I'm not. Not ALL welfare mothers, and that's the key point here. Merely being on welfare isn't the issue here.

Quote:


Quote:

I MIGHT have suggested it be a choice, for the mother.


Lies! I think the person you lie to first is yourself - and then by the time you repeat it to others you already sincerely BELIEVE it.




Oh good grief, how gorram childish can you get ? I'm suggesting ways of dealing w/ the problem here, a parcel of kids who are in need of adequate care, far and beyond what this unfit " mother " can offer, and you're WHINING over irrelevant matters such as what I said and what I thought I said.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:56 PM

KPO

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No I'm not. Not ALL welfare mothers,

Did I say ALL welfare mothers? No. I said all welfare mothers in a similar position to the one you were talking about. Lying, weaseling, strawmanning, changing the subject... congratulations Auraptor, your performance in this thread is like a manual in intellectual dishonesty.

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Oh good grief, how gorram childish can you get ? I'm suggesting ways of dealing w/ the problem

You're desperately trying to change the subject away from what you said about forced sterilisation, and no one's buying.

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irrelevant matters such as what I said and what I thought I said.

Oh I see. You said something repugnant, and outrageous, and then you conveniently forgot about it, and remembered it completely differently.

Or you lied to yourself.


It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:30 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello KPO,

The word you are looking for is 'Doublethink.'

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To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself – that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink. ”



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“ The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.




--Anthony


Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:40 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


That was a good novel.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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JAYNEZTOWN


Carpet Munching Dyke looked like a bad Conan O'Brien.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12392871/Autistic-girl-16-arr
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drag 'autistic' girl, 16, kicking and screaming from Leeds home for committing a 'hate crime' after she told female cop 'you look like my lesbian nana'?

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