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NRA Prepared to make sure this never happens again

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:21 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/18/nra-shocked-saddened-and-heartbro
ken-by-newtown-shooting/?hpt=hp_t2


Quote:

"The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.


Hello,

I will look on in curiosity and wonder to see what they propose.

--Anthony

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:37 PM

MAL4PREZ


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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/18/nra-shocked-saddened-and-heartbro
ken-by-newtown-shooting/?hpt=hp_t2


Quote:

"The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.


Hello,

I will look on in curiosity and wonder to see what they propose.

--Anthony



Yeah. Amaze me, NRA.

Sorry, Anthony, it's been a very long few days and I'm incapable of following up the other thread. Teaching makes my brain tired.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Buy every damn person in the USA a gun, AND a lifetime membership???

Oh, please! Santa make it so!!!



"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:50 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Sorry, Anthony, it's been a very long few days and I'm incapable of following up the other thread. Teaching makes my brain tired.


Hello,

Don't feel the need to apologize. I'm tired, too. There's a lot of people on one side of this discussion and very few on the other, so I feel the need to respond to a lot of stuff myself.

Well, there's Raptor, but often I'm left to wish that he wasn't arguing on my 'side' of things.

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:57 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Buy every damn person in the USA a gun, AND a lifetime membership???

Oh, please! Santa make it so!!!



LOL, you kill me.
Quote:


"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates


Did you read this before you used it in your tagline? Just wondering.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:11 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Buy every damn person in the USA a gun, AND a lifetime membership???

Oh, please! Santa make it so!!!



LOL, you kill me.
Quote:


"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates


Did you read this before you used it in your tagline? Just wondering.



I specifically added this to my sig, because of exactly what it says. Why do you ask ?

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:15 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Buy every damn person in the USA a gun, AND a lifetime membership???

Oh, please! Santa make it so!!!




Socialism?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:15 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I specifically added this to my sig, because of exactly what it says. Why do you ask ?

Because your soul is infected. I would have thought a person using that as a sig would be able to avoid it.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:18 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Buy every damn person in the USA a gun, AND a lifetime membership???

Oh, please! Santa make it so!!!




Socialism?


Can I have a PPK and a plastic rocket?
For ALL of us?
That's Socialism I can believe in!

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:26 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Buy every damn person in the USA a gun, AND a lifetime membership???

Oh, please! Santa make it so!!!



Willing to buy everyone a gun, but not health care...typical!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:16 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Willing to buy everyone a gun, but not health care...typical!


^^^THIS!!!!

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:27 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Willing to buy everyone a gun, but not health care...typical!


^^^THIS!!!!



Damn right it's typical... typical GENIUS!

Cost of healthcare for everyone ? Too gorram much, because it never ends. The bills keep coming.

Cost of a gun ? Damn near peanuts, and you buy it just once!


Box ------------> me, as in thinking outside of it.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:31 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Cost of a gun ? Damn near peanuts



So you do not own a gun, figures.

Or are you rich?

Sorry, I'm asking a nut questions- I must be crazy.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:48 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Chrissy - compare the cost of buying a gun ( minus the ammo, accessories ) and then compare that to the ANNUAL cost of health care, and even if you're buying a top of the line sniper rifle, I'd say the gun is the... logical choice.



"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:13 PM

ARLO

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Buy every damn person in the USA a gun, AND a lifetime membership???

Oh, please! Santa make it so!!!



Socialist. Next you'll be wanting someone else to pay for your internet service.

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Um, WHO did you say you were, again and what are you trying to sell?

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Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:31 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


TRANSLATION: NRA promises to do as little as possible in order to let the stink of bad publicity fade away.

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:57 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Rap, as always, represents nothing more than the furthest-out, unthinking mentality he always does. He's not worth addressing.

And yes, I'll be curious to see what the NRA comes up with, and have little doubt it will NOT be something actually helpful.

Amusingly, if one were to calculate the cost to those of us WITH insurance for all the people without it who get treated by emergency rooms, and add THAT to the cost of guns, it would so far outweigh the cost of health insurance for all that it would make Rap's head spin. Which means nothing to Rap, any more than any other logic ever will.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:19 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Buy every damn person in the USA a gun, AND a lifetime membership???

Oh, please! Santa make it so!!!



Last week NRA won a US Supreme Court case against Obama's Illinois gun ban law....so Obama massacred these kids in skool. Commies always kill the intellectuals first.

Quote:



McDonald v. Chicago, 561 US 3025 (2010), was a landmark[1] decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that determined whether the Second Amendment applies to the individual states. The Court held that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" protected by the Second Amendment is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.

Initially the Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit had upheld a Chicago ordinance banning the possession of handguns as well as other gun regulations affecting rifles and shotguns, citing United States v. Cruikshank, Presser v. Illinois, and Miller v. Texas.[2] The petition for certiorari was filed by Alan Gura, the attorney who had successfully argued Heller, and Chicago-area attorney David G. Sigale.[3] The Second Amendment Foundation and the Illinois State Rifle Association sponsored the litigation on behalf of several Chicago residents, including retiree Otis McDonald.

The oral arguments took place on March 2, 2010.[4][5] On June 28, 2010, the Supreme Court, in a 5–4 decision, reversed the Seventh Circuit's decision, holding that the Second Amendment was incorporated under the Fourteenth Amendment thus protecting those rights from infringement by local governments.[6] It then remanded the case back to Seventh Circuit to resolve conflicts between certain Chicago gun restrictions and the Second Amendment.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2012/12/victory-fo
r-self-defense-and-the-second-amendment.aspx

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf
http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/08-152
1.pdf

http://www.chicagoguncase.com/case-filings/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chicago



The National Rifle Association just won a major court case in Chicago, providing a huge victory for Second Amendment proponents and gun owners.

Illinois is one of the most anti-gun states in America. Its hostility toward the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms is demonstrated in a state law that forbids the carrying of firearms outside the home. There are narrow exceptions for classes of persons such as police officers, or under restrictions that keep the firearm from being readily usable, such as being kept unloaded in a locked case.

Two cases brought by gun owners supported by the NRA challenged this restriction that leaves people defenseless outside their homes, suing Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan.

On Tuesday, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit issued its two-to-one decision in Chicago, siding with gun owners in Moore v. Madigan.

The opinion was written by Judge Richard Posner, a Reagan appointee who often leans left on some issues (including guns) but is also regarded as one of the most brilliant minds on the federal bench.

Posner noted that in D.C. v. Heller, the Supreme Court held the Second Amendment secures an individual's right against the federal government to possess a firearm in one's home, and that in McDonald v. Chicago the justices held this is a fundamental right that also applies against state and local governments.

He went on to concede "the Supreme Court has not yet addressed whether the Second Amendment creates a right of self-defense outside the home."

Nonetheless, he continued, Attorney General Madigan and the other defendants:

...ask us to repudiate the Court’s historical analysis. That we can’t do. Nor can we ignore the implication of the analysis that the constitutional right of armed self-defense is broader that the right to have a gun in one’s home... Both Heller and McDonald say that "the need for defense of self, family, and property is most acute" in the home, but that doesn’t mean it is not acute outside the home.

Acknowledging that the Supreme Court holds the Second Amendment must be understood according to its scope in 1791 when it was adopted by the American people, Posner added that "one doesn’t need to be a historian to realize that a right to keep and bear arms for personal self-defense in the eighteenth century could not rationally have been limited to the home."

Applying this principle to today, the court reasoned, "Twenty-first century Illinois has no hostile Indians. But a Chicagoan is a good deal more likely to be attacked on a sidewalk than in his apartment on the 35th floor."

As a result, the Seventh Circuit struck down the Illinois law but put its ruling on hold for 180 days to allow state legislators to enact a new set of restrictions short of another complete ban. The opinion expressly allows that the legislature might say citizens can carry a gun openly (such as in a hip holster) but that it is still a crime to carry concealed, since it’s not clear in history that concealed carry is secured by the Second Amendment.

Expect the far-left Illinois legislature to pass a system as restrictive as possible, with licensing, eye exams, heavy registration fees, fingerprinting, marksmanship tests, limiting what sorts of firearms you can have, and so on. While many of these restrictions are almost-certainly unconstitutional, this legislature is almost sure to enact them, and we’ll be right back in federal court.

Nonetheless, this is definitely a major victory for the Second Amendment. The NRA’s Chris Cox strikes exactly the right balance in saying, “This is a step in the right direction for all gun owners. We know it probably won’t be the end of this case, and we’re ready to keep fighting until the courts fully protect the entire Second Amendment.”

Other courts will now consider what the Seventh Circuit has done. NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre declared, “Today’s ruling is a victory for all law-abiding citizens in Illinois and gun owners throughout the country.”

The Seventh Circuit has jurisdiction over three states: Illinois, Wisconsin, and Indiana. In 180 days, this opinion will be the law in those states, unless Madigan persuades the U.S. Supreme Court to take the case.

Breitbart News legal contributor Ken Klukowski is on faculty at Liberty University School of Law.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/11/NRA-Wins-Big-Gun-Ri
ghts-Case-at-Federal-Appeals-Court-in-Chicago



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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:01 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates



I don't think there are enough anti-biotics in the world to deal with the infection in your soul, my man.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Nor enough psychotropics to ever treat PN: "Last week NRA won a US Supreme Court case against Obama's Illinois gun ban law....so Obama massacred these kids in skool."

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:51 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Arlo:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Buy every damn person in the USA a gun, AND a lifetime membership???

Oh, please! Santa make it so!!!



Socialist. Next you'll be wanting someone else to pay for your internet service.

-- -.-- / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. .

Um, WHO did you say you were, again and what are you trying to sell?




The NRA is a private organization. How is it remotely 'socialist' ? I think you have a problem with your brain being missing.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:52 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates



I don't think there are enough anti-biotics in the world to deal with the infection in your soul, my man.



It's called FREEDOM, and it's far from an infection. It's the natural state of humanity.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:07 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Arlo--he doesn't get it, does he? What, he thinks the NRA could buy everyone in America a gun? The NRA exists to help gun manufacturers MAKE MONEY, not give things away. The only source that would buy or provide "everyone in America" with ANYTHING would of course be the government.

Socialism. Ta da!

Sadly, what infects Rap's soul isn't "freedom", but that it were so. No, it's "mindless hatred"--he's incapable of seeing the greys in life and merely parrots what his "sources" tell him is true. I doubt he even understands the meaning of "freedom", and of course what infects him is far uglier and more festering than any antibiotic could cure, you're right.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:08 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

It's called FREEDOM, and it's far from an infection. It's the natural state of humanity.



In your case, its called zealotry, and its beyond tiresome.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:09 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Arlo--he doesn't get it, does he?



Its amazing how many posters have made that particular observation...




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:


Arlo--he doesn't get it, does he? What, he thinks the NRA could buy everyone in America a gun? The NRA exists to help gun manufacturers MAKE MONEY, not give things away. The only source that would buy or provide "everyone in America" with ANYTHING would of course be the government.

Socialism. Ta da!



Good grief!

http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/frank/sounds/joking.wav

I know YOU love the idea of the govt giving everyone in America something, but then again, this govt is 16 trillion dollars in debt. So, it's not GIVING anyone any damn thing. Except a huge bill of debt.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:37 PM

ARLO

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Arlo:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Buy every damn person in the USA a gun, AND a lifetime membership???

Oh, please! Santa make it so!!!



Socialist. Next you'll be wanting someone else to pay for your internet service.

-- -.-- / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. .

Um, WHO did you say you were, again and what are you trying to sell?




The NRA is a private organization. How is it remotely 'socialist' ? I think you have a problem with your brain being missing.



Thanks for the clarification. A charity case that wants someone to buy them a gun. Better?



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Um, WHO did you say you were, again and what are you trying to sell?

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:42 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Arlo:

Thanks for the clarification. A charity case that wants someone to buy them a gun. Better?






WANTS ? No, genius, read the title of the thread again... ( or for once, which ever )

NRA Prepared to make sure this never happens again

Now, go back and read MY initial reply. It's pretty easy, even for you, to figure out my meaning. Follow up, if you're still confused.



"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:45 PM

ARLO

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Good grief!

http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/frank/sounds/joking.wav

I know YOU love the idea of the govt giving everyone in America something, but then again, this govt is 16 trillion dollars in debt. So, it's not GIVING anyone any damn thing. Except a huge bill of debt.




And ...


Defense

Education

Transportation

Financial Aid

Infrastructure

Research and Development

Commerce

Back to the NRA giving you a gun and a lifetime membership. Odds are they're betting the Darwin factor, via the gun, would probably play a part in making that lifetime membership short.

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Um, WHO did you say you were, again and what are you trying to sell?

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:46 PM

ARLO

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Arlo:

Thanks for the clarification. A charity case that wants someone to buy them a gun. Better?






WANTS ? No, genius, read the title of the thread again... ( or for once, which ever )

NRA Prepared to make sure this never happens again

Now, go back and read MY initial reply. It's pretty easy, even for you, to figure out my meaning. Follow up, if you're still confused.






Nobody else is confused about what you posted but you.

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Um, WHO did you say you were, again and what are you trying to sell?

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Arlo:

Back to the NRA giving you a gun and a lifetime membership. Odds are they're betting the Darwin factor, via the gun, would probably play a part in making that lifetime membership short.





There it is, right on cue. Standard Left wing retort. Anyone who doesn't buy into your collectivist , Left wing group think is any combination of... racist, homophobe, bigot, stupid, misogynist, hate filled, evil, rich, white, or all of the above.

I don't see things as you do, so I'm an idiot, and I'll likely shoot myself, and be dead, before too long.

Friends = good. Enemies = bad.

So sorry to disappoint. How old are you, btw ? Sound all of 20, from your posts.

You're clearly clueless about what I posted, as you called me a socialist ! ROFLMAO!!!

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 1:09 PM

ARLO

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Standard Left wing retort.

.snip.

How old are you, btw ? Sound all of 20, from your posts.

.snip.

You're clearly clueless about what I posted, as you called me a socialist ! ROFLMAO!!!




You're not very good at this, it appears. You're lack of basic guessing skills pretty much matches your lack of logic and reasoning ability. I may suggest you work on those in a private support group setting before attempting to continue in public. =0)

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Um, WHO did you say you were, again and what are you trying to sell?

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 1:28 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, gawd, I'm loving it! Arlo, you and Mike REALLY have to meet! I think you might actually even best him...but do have a caution; Rap apparently has an endless amount of time to spare, and will continue to goad and respond just as long as he gets a reply from you. So count your time; if you enjoy this shit, go for it. If you have better things to do with your life, beware pissing it away baiting this ultra right winger incapable of individual thought. Just so's you know.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Friday, December 21, 2012 8:21 AM

HKCAVALIER


So, wonder of wonders, the NRA came out today with their big plan: armed guards at every school!!! Whoohoo! That'll fix 'em bad guys! So the next fellow who comes along wanting to kill a couple dozen children won't have anywhere to go! Um...except public playgrounds, boardwalks, theme parks, swimming pools, beaches, shopping malls... Oh well, it's the thought that counts, don'it, NRA? Why don't we just have armed gunmen on every street corner??? Land of the free! Home of the depraved!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, December 21, 2012 9:16 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
So, wonder of wonders, the NRA came out today with their big plan: armed guards at every school!!! Whoohoo!



Which was pretty much the response of school and state officials after the Columbine shootings. Many schools put in metal detectors and security guards. However, after nothing else happened for a few years, governments decided to save some money by cutting security.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, December 21, 2012 9:30 AM

HKCAVALIER


What, planning for lightning to strike twice isn't cost effective??? Who'da thunk?

HKCavalier

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Friday, December 21, 2012 9:34 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
However, after nothing else happened for a few years...



By nothing, are you referring to the 30 or so other school shootings since then?




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, December 21, 2012 9:37 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:


Arlo--he doesn't get it, does he? What, he thinks the NRA could buy everyone in America a gun? The NRA exists to help gun manufacturers MAKE MONEY, not give things away. The only source that would buy or provide "everyone in America" with ANYTHING would of course be the government.

Socialism. Ta da!



Good grief!

http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/frank/sounds/joking.wav




This, from the douche who went on and on about how a joke from a comedian about Obama being a deity reflects how the entire left thinks....

Its like you've made it your mission to embrace hypocrisy, while proving your ignorance of irony. In which case - you are doing remarkably well. Good job!




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, December 21, 2012 9:40 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
So, wonder of wonders, the NRA came out today with their big plan: armed guards at every school!!! Whoohoo! That'll fix 'em bad guys!



If only there had been an armed guard -- maybe, say, a sheriff's deputy -- at Columbine who could have prevented the massacre... (Googling now)

Oh. Never mind.

Well, if only there had been someone with a weapon who could have fought back against the Ft. Hood shooter --

Shit.

Golly, gee, maybe the NRA doesn't have internet access....





Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, December 21, 2012 9:44 AM

STORYMARK


Amusingly, the NRA seems to be as oblivious to irony as ol' rappy:

"This is the beginning of a serious conversation. We won't be taking any questions."




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, December 21, 2012 10:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


It was totally predictable that the NRA's "contribution" to what happened in Sandy Hook would be to somehow enable MORE guns in MORE places; did anyone really expect otherwise?
Quote:

The National Rifle Association called on Congress to put armed police officers in every school in America. CEO Wayne LaPierre blamed many things in his press conference for the influx of mass shootings in the U.S. — everything from gun-free school zones, the media, movies, violent video games, hurricanes, and a lack of government funding.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," LaPierre said.

LaPierre also blamed lack of government funding. "With all the foreign aid … with all the money in federal budget … can't we afford to put a police officer in every school?"

A lesser part of his speech placed blame on a media culture that he suggested promoted violence. He took aim at celebrities, video games, and movies for advancing that culture. "Another little dirty secret the media tries to conceal," LaPierre says, is "a callous corrupt and disgusting shadow industry ... vicious violent video games." He then called violent films "the filthiest form of pornography."

"Then there’s the blood-soaked slasher films like 'American Psycho' and 'Natural Born Killers' that are aired like propaganda loops on 'Splatterdays' and every day," he said, "and a thousand music videos that
portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life."Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nra-press-conference-gun-control-sandy-
hook-school-shooting-2012-12#ixzz2FiVpCMrq
]
Did anyone really expect otherwise? Let's get serious about what the NRA really IS:
Quote:

The National Rifle Association portrays itself as an organization that represents “4 million members” who simply love the Second Amendment. The truth is much more murky.

In reality, the NRA is composed of half a dozen legal entities; some designed to run undisclosed attack ads in political campaigns, others to lobby and collect tens of millions in undisclosed, tax-deductible sums.

Despite the grassroots façade, there is much evidence to suggest that corporations that profit from unregulated gun use are propping up the NRA’s activities, much like how the tobacco lobby secretly funded “Smokers Rights’” fronts and libertarian anti-tax groups, or how polluters currently finance much of the climate change skepticism movement.

The Violence Policy Center has estimated that since 2005, gun manufacturers have contributed up to $38.9 million to the NRA. Those numbers, however, are based on publicly listed “sponsorship” levels on NRA fundraising pamphlets. The real figures could be much bigger. Like Crossroads GPS or Americans for Prosperity, or the Sierra Club for that matter, the NRA does not disclose any donor information even though it spends millions on federal elections.

And like other industry fronts, the NRA is quick to conceal its pro–gun industry policy positions as ideological commitments.

Take, for example, “The NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund.” It’s a pro–gun rights legal fund “involved in court cases establishing legal precedents in favor of gun owners.”

And who helps pick which impact-litigation cases the NRA will become involved with? Folks like James W. Porter II, a board member of the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund, who doubles as an attorney whose private firm specializes in “areas of products liability defense of firearms manufacturers.” His last client, according to a search of the federal court docket, was Smith & Wesson Corporation.

Is the NRA working for casual gun-owners, many of whom, according to polling, support tougher restrictions on gun ownership — or is the NRA serving the gunmaker lobby — which is purely interested in policies that will promote greater gun sales and more profits? Any gun control policy debate should begin with this question. http://www.thenation.com/blog/171776/does-nra-represent-gun-manufactur
ers-or-gun-owners#
]
We know who they ACTUALLY work for, as evidenced by how many of their actual MEMBER support some gun restriction. They work for the gun manufacturers; they couldn't possibly come out with ANYTHING that would make FEWER guns available!

How about we look at just some of the gun myths proponents alway give forth:
Quote:


Myth # 1

"The NRA's goal is to protect law-abiding gun owners and hunters."

In fact, the leaders of the NRA are only interested in protecting the gun industry. If you look at the people on the board of directors and the executives of the NRA, you will find that many of them have something to gain financially from the gun industry whether they are gun manufacturers, gun dealers, or have some other stake in the gun industry. The fact remains: the only people who benefit from the actions of the NRA is the multi-million dollar gun industry. For an in depth look at the relationship between the NRA and the gun industry, read the book "NRA:Money, Firepower & Fear".

Myth # 11

"Owning a gun will protect you from crime."

An FBI report,"Crime in the United States, 1973" states that a gun kept in the home for self-defense is six times more likely to be used in a deliberate or accidental homicide involving a relative or friend than a burglar or unlawful intruder. More recently, criminologist Arthur Kellerman declared that for every case of gun use for self defense, there are 43 instances where guns are used in suicides, homicides and accidental deaths. But that number may be a bit conservative. According to Federal statistics, for every time a handgun is used by a citizen to kill a criminal, 118 innocent people are killed in handgun murders, suicides and accidents. Studies have shown that people who keep guns at home nearly TRIPLE their chances of being murdered. Whats more, a gun kept at home is 37 times more likely to be used to commit suicide than to be used for self defense. Still believe that possession of a gun makes you safer? Consider this :

According to criminologist Arthur Kellermann almost 20 percent of the police officers who are fatally wounded with firearms are shot with their own gun.

Myth # 13

"Israel and Switzerland have very high rates of gun ownership and they don't have our crime problems. This proves that guns are not the problem and gun control is not the answer."

In fact, both Switzerland and Israel have much stricter gun control laws than the United States. All men in Switzerland are members of the militia and issued rifles by the government and these rifles are all registered and all ammunition must be accounted for. When it comes to handguns, the Swiss require a background check, a permit to purchase a handgun, and handgun registration. Apparently, Swiss gun owners don't consider this an infringement on their right to own a gun. Israel requires a license to carry, possess or buy a handgun and they conduct thorough background checks, including personal interviews.

Myth # 14

"The NRA supports the law-enforcement community."

Well maybe they did once upon a time, but not anymore. Each of the following law enforcement organizations gave strong support to the Brady bill: The Fraternal Order of Police, the National Association of Police Organizations, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers, the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, and the Police Executive Research forum. The NRA stood in opposition to all these groups. One tactic that the NRA has been using in recent years is to attack and smear any police chief throughout the country who publicly opposes them on gun control issues. A case in point is San Jose, California police chief Joseph D. McNamara who criticized the NRA and supported the Brady bill. The NRA ran full page ads in national magazines claiming that McNamara wanted to "legalize drugs, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, crack." But McNamara never advocated legalizing any such thing. It was a fabrication by the NRA. Another example was Nashville police chief Joe Casey who was also president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police. When Casey supported a waiting period for the purchase of handguns the NRA went ballistic and tried to get him fired. Most recently the NRA has been attacking the BATF and the FBI, calling Federal agents "Jack-booted thugs". Dewey Stokes, the president of the Fraternal Order of Police said on May 19, 1995 that "Every law enforcement officer in the country that does wear a badge ought to be outraged at what the NRA is doing." He went on to say that "We don't need the NRA making law enforcement officers, whether at the Federal or at the local level, targets of these hate groups." There are many more examples of the NRA's opposition to law enforcement agencies in the book "Under Fire: The NRA And The Battle For Gun Control".

Myth # 15

The NRA has been saying that the assault weapons ban only affects guns with certain "cosmetic" differences that make them look more dangerous. The guns affected by the assault weapons ban are no more dangerous than any hunting rifle.

That's like saying there are only "cosmetic" differences between a Ford Taurus and an M-1 tank. The features that the assault weapons ban applies to are not just cosmetic. They are features that make those weapons more suitable for killing people in battle than for hunting, target shooting, or self defense.

Myth # 17

Guns are used legally in self-defense about 2.5 million times a year in the U.S..

This is a classic case of disinformation by the NRA. First of all, the NRA's claim of 2.5 million cases of self defense a year is a misrepresentation of Kleck's own results. Kleck had extrapolated from his survey that guns were used in self-defense between 800,000 and 2.45 million times a year. That's quite a huge margin of error there. So naturally the NRA takes the high end of that range and rounds up from that.

Secondly, it is important to note that other criminologists have found serious flaws with this survey. The biggest problem is that Kleck let the respondents of his telephone survey determine whether their use of a gun was a legitimate act of self-defense. In other words if someone took out a gun and threatened a neighbor during an otherwise non-violent argument, and that person thinks this is a justified use of a gun, then Kleck would count that as a legitimate case of self-defense.

Think about it. Any time anyone uses or threatens someone else with a gun, that person brandishing the weapon will ALWAYS consider their use of a gun to be justified. Even a criminal who shoots someone while committing a crime thinks that they are justified. According to the Census Bureau's annual National Crime Victimization Survey there are about 80,000 times a year that firearms are used in self-defense - a mere fraction of the number that Kleck's survey claims. Unlike Kleck's survey, the Census Bureau's survey is not just a single phone call. It involves trained interviewers who follow up with seven interviews with the same household over a 3 year period in order to verify the accuracy of the data. A good source of information about Gary Kleck and his survey is the Aug. 15, 1994 issue of U.S. News and World Report. The article lists other flaws that have been found in Kleck's survey results. Excerpts from http://rush_awards.tripod.com/truthaboutguns.html



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Friday, December 21, 2012 10:51 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

This, from the douche who went on and on about how a joke from a comedian about Obama being a deity reflects how the entire left thinks....



It wasn't just ONE joke, brainless. It's a common theme, repeated time and time again, by the Left, and the MSM. Jamie Fox only reinforced the notion, by coming out - AGAIN - to clarify.

Quote:


Its like you've made it your mission to embrace hypocrisy, while proving your ignorance of irony. In which case - you are doing remarkably well. Good job!




You use words like hypocrisy, ignorance and irony, yet do so incorrectly, showing you have no clue of what you speak. Best for you to just remain silent, Storybook.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

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Friday, December 21, 2012 11:08 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Rappy you could just type "I know you are, but what I'm I?" it would be quicker and frankly more honest and argument for you.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359

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Friday, December 21, 2012 11:22 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Rappy you could just type "I know you are, but what I'm I?" it would be quicker and frankly more honest and argument for you.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359



Wait, isn't that what he's already doing? After a while, all his gibberish just bleeds together.




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Friday, December 21, 2012 11:49 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


nickerson - I've repeatedly shown where the Left has indeed referred to Obama as " sort of God ". You're perpetual, childish refusal to face reality isn't MY problem. You can cover your eyes and wish it all away, but guess what, truth is still there, still staring at you, and will be, for long after you're gone.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, December 21, 2012 1:10 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
So, wonder of wonders, the NRA came out today with their big plan: armed guards at every school!!! Whoohoo! That'll fix 'em bad guys! So the next fellow who comes along wanting to kill a couple dozen children won't have anywhere to go! Um...except public playgrounds, boardwalks, theme parks, swimming pools, beaches, shopping malls... Oh well, it's the thought that counts, don'it, NRA? Why don't we just have armed gunmen on every street corner??? Land of the free! Home of the depraved!


*headdesk*
This is one of the many reasons I don't support the NRA.
I am all for organisations willing to protect the rights of the individual, but I DO expect them to do so INTELLIGENTLY, and as of late the NRA has been as useful an advocate of the right to bear arms as Fred Phelps is in regard to free speech.

-Frem

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Friday, December 21, 2012 3:32 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!






"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, December 21, 2012 5:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So surprise, surprise - Wayne LaPierre came out and whined about people blaming guns, and then basically blamed video games and Hollywood.


Last time I checked, none of my movies or video games has ever gotten off the shelf and gone to a school and murdered 27 people.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, December 21, 2012 5:26 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
nickerson - I've repeatedly shown where the Left has indeed referred to Obama as " sort of God ".



You've repeatedly claimed that ONE guy - NOT "the Left", but a single person - supposedly said that.

The fact that you've claimed it many times doesn't mean it's happened many times.

Jamie Foxx never referred to the president as "sort of god".

Quote:


You're perpetual, childish refusal to face reality isn't MY problem.



"You are perpetual, childish refusal..." Doesn't quite read right, does it?

Quote:

You can cover your eyes and wish it all away, but guess what, truth is still there, still staring at you, and will be, for long after you're gone.


Speaking from experience, aren't you?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, December 21, 2012 6:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Speaking from experience? Yeah, how long have I been HERE, watching you idiots ignore reality? A fair amount o' time. Very experienced.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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