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Putin Says He Will Sign Anti-U.S. Adoptions Bill

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Fuck all politicians who use the innocent to further their blind, selfish interests!
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Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday he will sign a controversial bill banning Americans from adopting Russian children, a defiant move against the U.S. that has angered some Russians who argue it victimizes children to make a political point.

The law would block dozens of Russian children expected to be adopted by American families from leaving the country and cut off one of the main international routes for Russian children to leave often dismal orphanages. Russia is the single biggest source of adopted children in the U.S., with more than 60,000 Russian children being taken in by Americans over the past two decades.

The bill is retaliation for an American law that calls for sanctions against Russians deemed to be human rights violators and part of an increasingly confrontational stance by the Kremlin against the West.More at http://world.time.com/2012/12/27/putin-says-he-will-sign-anti-u-s-adop
tions-bill/


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Thursday, December 27, 2012 1:19 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Putin is a dick. What else can you say.

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Putin is a dick. What else can you say.



Da.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:11 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Send the 'Glee' cast over to Russia on a national tour. That'll teach him not to fuck with us.

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:32 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Send the 'Glee' cast over to Russia on a national tour. That'll teach him not to fuck with us.




I imagine they'd end up in the same place as Pussy Riot.

Now, wouldn't THAT be a sight to behold !

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:39 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I imagine they'd end up in the same place as Pussy Riot.


Oh my, now how do you even know who THEY are?

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Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:27 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I imagine they'd end up in the same place as Pussy Riot.


Oh my, now how do you even know who THEY are?



The cast of Glee or Pussy Riot ?


"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


1) The US has a lot of nerve lecturing anybody about human rights in this day and age.

2) What do you imagine the US response would be if people from another nation were adopting 60,000+ children over a 20-year period from our country?


Why are US parents going to Russia for (white) babies when there are plenty enough babies up for adoption right here at home?

And isn't this a form of cultural genocide being carried out against the Russian people?

I'm not defending Putin or taking a side in this, just pointing out that there is indeed more than one side to it, and there are valid viewpoints on all sides.


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Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Considering those Russian orphans are currently living in conditions no DOG lives in here, all I can think of is the dashed hopes and the suffering they will continue to endure.

There are always babies in need of adoption. As far as I'm concerned, any couple who is willing to take a child into their home who isn't theirs has my respect--as long as they treat that child as their own!

This move is no more than political bullshit on Putin's part...he has no interest in how it affects the children.

On the other hand, yes, we have no right to be lecturing others on human rights. I don't see the two as connected, however.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:50 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Laura Ingraham has adopted 2 Russian children and one from Guatemala.

Pretty sure, that when it comes to human rights, the US is light years a head of most the world, including Russia.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 30, 2012 12:04 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
1) The US has a lot of nerve lecturing anybody about human rights in this day and age.

2) What do you imagine the US response would be if people from another nation were adopting 60,000+ children over a 20-year period from our country?


Why are US parents going to Russia for (white) babies when there are plenty enough babies up for adoption right here at home?

And isn't this a form of cultural genocide being carried out against the Russian people?

I'm not defending Putin or taking a side in this, just pointing out that there is indeed more than one side to it, and there are valid viewpoints on all sides.


Pop Quiz - name the one and only country on the planet which has refused to sign the UN Convention on the human rights of children.

Anyone ?
Bueller ?

Not sayin there ain't worse out there, believe me Jackie could tell you stuff that'd give you the wiggies for weeks, but we got no moral high ground to be lecturing anyone else on any damn thing these days.

-F

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Monday, December 31, 2012 4:51 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Might be that this 'Rights of Children' nonsense has more to do w/ invasive bureaucratic control and less to do w/ actually helping children, despite all the flowery rhetoric and good intentions.

Just my guess, though.




"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, December 31, 2012 7:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Jezus, talk about ignorance. How can someone remain THAT ignorant when the facts and figures have been out for decades?
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Abandoned, neglected and abused, Russia's orphans are the silent victims of the country's economic and social collapse. While humanitarian organizations try to lessen the physical hardships, the struggle to ensure the respect and dignity of these children is only just beginning.

The facts are well known, kids tied to benches, lying immobile or tethered on urine-soaked sheets, corralled into wooden pens in the height of winter, beaten, starved, abandoned. Abandoned to the state, as Human Rights Watch said, in its chilling report Cruelty and Neglect in Russian Orphanages. But having read the report, having spent time in numerous orphanages of different categories and levels, your thoughts blur down an endless tunnel of confusion, depression, incomprehension, fear, outrage and finally numbness, a feeling of helplessness against a behemoth.

The pallid faces of babies in the "lying down rooms", the stoic, clinical, outdated dismissiveness: "This child is an idiot, that one's an imbecile," remind you how grim life is here. And the bile rises in your gut when you feel those tiny fingers grip yours and see the rotten teeth grinning a real child's smile. "Why don't you paint some pictures on the wall for them? Play some music? Take them out into the sunshine?"

"They are idiots. Ineducable. What's the point?"

Orphans and "social orphans" - children whose parents cannot care for them, or who have had their "parental rights" withdrawn - enter dom rebyonki or baby houses where they spend the first four years of life. At that point, an assessment is made by a board of state medical and educational reviewers and those with heavy mental or physical disabilities are given over to the care of the Ministry of Labour and Social Development. They are officially labelled as idiots and sent to closed institutions. There they remain till the age of 18 when - if they survive - they move to adult asylums for the rest of their lives.

There are 600,000 "orphans" in Russia, up to 95 per cent of them may have at least one living parent. But as conditions worsen, more and more children are being born handicapped, to parents who cannot support them, who are alcoholics, or diseased, or simply don't care. The system is cracking - lack of money means lack of food and clothes, which means poorer health, with fewer drugs to fight illness, less staff to cope, morale in a downward spiral...


Nobody need take my word for it; Google "living conditions Russian orphans" or any variation thereof, and there are tons of sources.

Sometimes I can't believe the deliberate stupidity of some people...


Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Tuesday, January 1, 2013 7:35 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I wish that this meant that there were lots of wonderful local families who were eager to adopt children and bring them into their homes to raise as their own, and because so many nice Russian families wanted to adopt children that Putin was making that more possible.

I wish.

Russia is shooting itself in the foot, because really, who is going to look after all these children that they have made touched by not paying attention to them? Or worse, there are worse things than touchedness. Environmentally induced antisocial personality disorder comes to mind, its way worse.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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