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Does confidence really breed success?

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Friday, January 4, 2013 9:19 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


An interesting article. Also there's a link to a narcissistic personality test (average is 12-15 out of 20, I scored 11).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20756247

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Research suggests that more and more American university students think they are something special. High self-esteem is generally regarded as a good thing - but could too much of it actually make you less successful?

About nine million young people have filled out the American Freshman Survey, since it began in 1966.

It asks students to rate how they measure up to their peers in a number of basic skills areas - and over the past four decades, there has been a dramatic rise in the number of students who describe themselves as being "above average" for academic ability, drive to achieve, mathematical ability and self-confidence.

This was revealed in a new analysis of the survey data, by US psychologist Jean Twenge and colleagues.

Self-appraisals of traits that are less individualistic - such as co-operativeness, understanding others and spirituality - saw little change, or a decrease, over the same period.

Twenge adds that while the Freshman Survey shows that students are increasingly likely to label themselves as gifted in writing ability, objective test scores indicate that actual writing ability has gone down since the 1960s.

And while in the late 1980s, almost half of students said they studied for six or more hours a week, the figure was little over a third by 2009 - a fact that sits rather oddly, given there has been a rise in students' self-proclaimed drive to succeed during the same period.

Another study by Twenge suggested there has been a 30% tilt towards narcissistic attitudes in US students since 1979.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines narcissism as: "Excessive self-love or vanity; self-admiration, self-centredness."

"Our culture used to encourage modesty and humility and not bragging about yourself," says Twenge. "It was considered a bad thing to be seen as conceited or full of yourself."

Not everyone with high self-esteem is a narcissist. Some positive views of the self may be harmless and in fact quite justified.

But one in four recent students responded to a questionnaire, the Narcissistic Personality Inventory, in a way which leaned towards narcissistic views of the self.

Though some have argued that narcissism is an essential trait, Twenge and her colleagues see it as negative and destructive.

In The Narcissism Epidemic, co-written with Keith Campbell, Twenge blames the growth of narcissistic attitudes on a range of trends - including parenting styles, celebrity culture, social media and access to easy credit, which allows people to appear more successful than they are.

"What's really become prevalent over the last two decades is the idea that being highly self-confident - loving yourself, believing in yourself - is the key to success.

"Now the interesting thing about that belief is it's widely held, it's very deeply held, and it's also untrue."

This bewitching idea - that people's lives will improve with their self-esteem - led to what came to be known as The Self-Esteem Movement.

Legions of self-help books have propagated the idea that we each have it within us to achieve great things - we just need to be more confident.

Over 15,000 journal articles have examined the links between high self-esteem and measurable outcomes in real life, such as educational achievement, job opportunities, popularity, health, happiness and adherence to laws and social codes.

Yet there is very little evidence that raising self-esteem leads to tangible, positive outcomes.

"If there is any effect at all, it is quite small," says Roy Baumeister of Florida State University. He was the lead author of a 2003 paper that scrutinised dozens of self-esteem studies.

He found that although high self-esteem frequently had a positive correlation with success, the direction of causation was often unclear. For example, are high marks awarded to people with high self-esteem or does getting high marks engender high self-esteem?

And a third variable can influence both self-esteem and the positive outcome.

"Coming from a good family might lead to both high self-esteem and personal success," says Baumeister.

"Self-control is much more powerful and well-supported as a cause of personal success. Despite my years invested in research on self-esteem, I reluctantly advise people to forget about it."

This doesn't mean that under-confident people will be more successful in school, in their careers or in sport.

"You need to believe that you can go out and do something but that's not the same as thinking that you're great," says Twenge. She gives the example of a swimmer attempting to learn a turn - this person needs to believe that they can acquire that skill, but a belief that they are already a great swimmer does not help.

Forsyth and Kerr studied the effect of positive feedback on university students who had received low grades (C, D, E and F). They found that the weaker students actually performed worse if they received encouragement aimed at boosting their self-worth.

"An intervention that encourages [students] to feel good about themselves, regardless of work, may remove the reason to work hard," writes Baumeister.

So do young people think they are better than they are?

If they are, perhaps the appropriate response is not condemnation but pity.

The narcissists described by Twenge and Campbell are often outwardly charming and charismatic. They find it easy to start relationships and have more confidence socially and in job interviews. Yet their prognosis is not good.

"In the long-term, what tends to happen is that narcissistic people mess up their relationships, at home and at work," says Twenge.

Narcissists may say all the right things but their actions eventually reveal them to be self-serving.

As for the narcissists themselves, it often not until middle age that they notice their life has been marked by an unusual number of failed relationships.

But it's not something that is easy to fix - narcissists are notorious for dropping out of therapy.

"It's a personality trait," says Twenge. "It's by definition very difficult to change. It's rooted in genetics and early environment and culture and things that aren't all that malleable."

Things also don't look good for the many young people who - although not classed as narcissists - have a disproportionately positive self-view.

A 2006 study led by John Reynolds of Florida State University found that students are increasingly ambitious, but also increasingly unrealistic in their expectations, creating what he calls "ambition inflation".

"Since the 1960s and 1970s, when those expectations started to grow, there's been an increase in anxiety and depression," says Twenge.

"There's going to be a lot more people who don't reach their goals."




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Friday, January 4, 2013 10:17 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I scored a 1.

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Your Total: 1

Between 12 and 15 is average.
Celebrities often score closer to 18.
Narcissists score over 20.



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Narcissistic Trait Strength of Trait
Authority: 0.00
Self-Sufficiency: 0.00
Superiority: 0.00
Exhibitionism: 1.00
Exploitativeness: 0.00
Vanity: 0.00
Entitlement: 0.00





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, January 4, 2013 10:47 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


You shameless exhibitionist!

No, that's impressive. I predict Wulfenstar would score the highest out of us on FFF.net for this index.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, January 4, 2013 11:20 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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You shameless exhibitionist!

No, that's impressive. I predict Wulfenstar would score the highest out of us on FFF.net for this index.

It's not personal. It's just war.




I'd bet it would be Rappy. He does so enjoy telling us all how right and great he is, after all.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, January 4, 2013 1:52 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Authority: 2.00
Self-Sufficiency: 3.00
Superiority: 2.00
Exhibitionism: 2.00
Exploitativeness: 4.00
Vanity: 0.00
Entitlement: 0.00

About as expected, maybe a little less accurate given that I am 2.75 sheets to the wind at the moment, but in Vino, Veritas, perhaps.

Most of the authority I have is pushed on me unwanted though, but I won't deny a certain intellectual arrogance - I don't claim to be better-than, just smarter-than.

And yes, by nature there's a certain amount of showboating but that's primarily involving mechanical skills, when you have zen-master small engine skill there's a certain incentive to flaunt it, especially when jerks who should know better start treating you like a freaking company CSR despite that you're giving them aid which normally costs $60-$90 an hour, out of charity - yeah, a certain arrogance develops, you don't like it, you call Tomos in freakin Bosnia and see how much help you get!

Rabid self-sufficiency, sure, the mark of the Ghetto that, every hand against thee and no one to depend on, that happens - so to with the other, but that's more that I rather enjoy getting in the heads of bad people and breaking them.

Honestly I don't think this kind of arrogance by itself is all that bad - it's only when you couple it with a lack of introspection/self-knowledge and ambition that it becomes something awful.
And I damn well know better than to follow the course of ambition *because* of that self-knowledge, I am far too much of a Robespierrian bent, I know this - and therefore know EXACTLY what kind of epic disaster lies down the path of ambition for me.
I make a pretty good right-hand-man though.


-Frem

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Friday, January 4, 2013 2:15 PM

CHRISISALL


Heh, I scored a 9.
Authority: 1.00
Self-Sufficiency: 2.00
Superiority: 3.00
Exhibitionism: 1.00
Exploitativeness: 1.00
Vanity: 0.00
Entitlement: 1.00

I'm not a very humble Shaolin...

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Friday, January 4, 2013 2:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


A seven.

Altho that is prolly due more to my extreme introversion than any other trait. I took a more complete personality test (DISC) which shows I have some extremely self-contradictory traits. For example, in addition to be wildly introverted (my highest score) I really have very strong opinions on how things should be. Also, I am very competence-oriented, but have a strongly synthetic viewpoint.

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Friday, January 4, 2013 2:50 PM

CHRISISALL


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which shows I have some extremely self-contradictory traits.

Complex peeps will rate that way, and you are nothing if not complex. I mean that in a good way.

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Friday, January 4, 2013 3:55 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hey, I'm offended by you even noticing me!

No, I'm not.

Yes, I AM!

Oh yeah???

*walks off muttering*
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I have read interesting studies, tho, that ppl in general follow those who speak loudly and smile often, altho they may not have the best ideas they are seen as "leaders".

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Friday, January 4, 2013 5:07 PM

CHRISISALL


When the survey offered me the choice of whether I was exceptional or not I chose that I was, because after nearly half of my fellow countrypeeps voted for Romney, I'd like to think I voted for the lesser of two clear evils because I AM exceptional, rather than that nearly half of folks voted for the clearly greater of two evils because they are morons.
It was my way of avoiding considering that nearly half of humanity at large is pretty much worthless.

Does that make me a bad man?

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Friday, January 4, 2013 9:03 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


No, that makes you a good man. A perceptive man, attuned to reality. Hard to find, in today's hyper-propagandized population!

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Saturday, January 5, 2013 2:22 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Since others are posting there's, I took the test again to post mine:

Your Total: 13

Narcissistic Trait
Authority: 1.00
Self-Sufficiency: 4.00
Superiority: 3.00
Exhibitionism: 0.00
Exploitativeness: 1.00
Vanity: 2.00
Entitlement: 2.00

I seem to have got a lot more self-sufficient overnight...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, January 5, 2013 3:47 AM

ANONYMOUSE


As Brad Bird pointed out, via the characters of Dash and Syndrome in The Incredibles, if everyone is special, then no-one is. Think about it.

It is possible to overdo self-esteem. Having the confidence to tackle a task says nothing whatsoever about your ability to tackle the task. Reaching too high, too far, too fast, too often is bound to knock you back more than a bit if you don't succeed, and if your self-esteem is too high, then your expectations may be, as well.

Not that a degree of confidence isn't a prerequisite, of course. But borrowing again from SF wisdom (this time, Jean-Luc Picard to Data, after Data's disastrous loss at Stratagema), "It is possible to make no mistakes and still lose."

On the other hand, I just took the test, answered as honestly as I could...and got 0. Um. Is there something wrong with the test, or is it me? I don't totally lack confidence - I'm generally confident i can handle tasks within my areas of expertise, and I'm pretty confident that I can learn new things, but that's as far as my narcissism goes.

On the third hand, I've read a few self-help and self-esteem books - and I detested every last one. :) So much so, in fact, that I can't even remember their titles or authors.

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Saturday, January 5, 2013 2:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I AM a special person.



( just like everybody else.)


For what it's worth, I scored an 11, just below average.

Lotta in between in those answers that would have been more accurate, but I just went with what first came to mind.

Here's how you rated on the seven component traits of narcissism:

Narcissistic Trait Strength of Trait
Authority: 2.00
Self-Sufficiency: 2.00
Superiority: 2.00
Exhibitionism: 0.00
Exploitativeness: 0.00
Vanity: 1.00
Entitlement: 4.00


The only reason I scored a 4 on the last one is that folks really OUGHT to listen to me more. If they knew what was good for 'em.




"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, January 6, 2013 12:12 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I disagreed with both the responses a lot of times. I hate questionaires that use 2 extreme postions that you have to pick from. Quite unreliable. I scored a 12, which means I'm averagely narcissitic.

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Sunday, January 6, 2013 2:07 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


A 4 on entitlement has got to sting, I would have thought Auraptor.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, January 6, 2013 7:18 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I disagreed as well, Magons; a couple of those had too much "in the middle" for me to decide how to respond. It's also totally easy to see where they're going with the questions, tho' I just answered what felt most comfortable nonetheless. Was surprised to find my score so low...not sure what that means!

Authority: 0
Self-Sufficiency: 0
Superiority: 0
Exhibitionism: 1.00
Exploitativeness: 1.00
Vanity: 0
Entitlement: 0

I felt the same as
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Is there something wrong with the test, or is it me? I don't totally lack confidence - I'm generally confident i can handle tasks within my areas of expertise

tho' to the "learning" part, I USED to be confident but now know that, at my age, learning new stuff is TOUGH! I'm the one in the family who deals with electronics and the "spaghetti mess" of such things, because Jim can't handle it at ALL, and the stuff I already know, I'm pretty good at. But learning? Nope. It's a struggle at best.

As to the problem itself, I certainly agree. It's not at all hard to see and hear when you're around young people. What he wrote about the sixties is right on, in my experience. And in my experience, Jim's son and brother both had serious cases of "entitlement", tho' his daughter not at all.
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co-operativeness, understanding others and spirituality - saw little change, or a decrease, over the same period.

That's sad, as it's what I believe is necessary for a healthy, successful society.
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students are increasingly likely to label themselves as gifted in writing ability, objective test scores indicate that actual writing ability has gone down since the 1960s.

Boy oh boy, am I aware of THAT one!!! It blows my mind to see the lousy writing ability I see around me every fucking day!

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Sunday, January 6, 2013 7:06 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Confidence can be an asset, case in point Inara renting Mal's shuttle, come into it confident and others will give in.
But of course sometimes too much self confidence pisses people off and annoys them so they will shaft you instead. Bottom line: Moderation is good.

I tried to take the test but when I clicked on the scor my test button it gave me this tripe about how the page had expired. I'm going to try a different route.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, January 6, 2013 7:34 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Okay, so I got it to work through another way. My score was 15, right at the top of average. So far I have the highest score here. It says that celebs have a score of around 18 often times though and that a person with NPD has a score of 20 or more, so I think I'm okay.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 7, 2013 4:22 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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A 4 on entitlement has got to sting, I would have thought Auraptor.

It's not personal. It's just war.



Do I like being noticed & appreciated for my work , views , etc? Sure. Do I expect it? No, not so much. There in lies the fault with this test. Either or of 2 extremes. I think it speaks more to the test than the test taker.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, January 7, 2013 4:55 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Riona, you don't seem anywhere near as narcascistic as most here. I could be wrong, not knowing you i-r-l, but I think the test shows some flaws in its design. Make of it what you will.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, January 7, 2013 9:11 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I think part of the reason I have a higher score than most here is because I am a performer, you know I sing trad, so being in front of people and getting attention is part of what I do, at least I'm not an 18 like they say celebrities are, I guess I'm not famous enough yet, :)

I'm also a notoriously selfish person and I don't pretend to be otherwise. I think being up front about something like that is better than sneaking around and doing it. True there are some things I'm sneaky about, but I prefer being forthright when it seems possible. I am thankful I score in the average range though, even if its at the high end of average, I wouldn't want to score too high.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 7, 2013 9:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I guess it depends on how one defines 'selfish'. I mean, knowing what you want is one thing, but depriving others so that your needs can be met, or to gratify your own self worth... doesn't seem like you. Might be, though. I think we all have that in us, and it depends on the situation as to how we'd react. So, the questions are a bit misleading.

It sorta reminds me of a scene from the movie, Mean Girls. Where the Regina says to Cady

" So, you're like really pretty ", to which Cady accepts the perceived complement, and says " thank you ". Then Regina comes back with...

" So, you agree ? "

- What ?

" You think you're really pretty ".

I think some of the answers to the questions asked imply a meaning which may be different to different people, depending on how they perceive what is being asked.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, January 7, 2013 9:47 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


To Regina I would reply, "Yes, I do agree that I'm pretty, I feel very confident with my appearance, and I want others to feel so about themselves too. I think you're quite pretty too."
But kids that age are just in a different deminsion due to social norms or that age bracket.

I think any test like this though will have flaws. That's why in order to give someone a proper mental illness diagnosis, time has to be spent with them to really understand what's going on, a single questionaire is not going to cut it. That is also why people often get misdiagnosed at first and it can take a while to find out what's really the trouble.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 7, 2013 10:45 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Originally posted by kpo:
A 4 on entitlement has got to sting, I would have thought Auraptor.

It's not personal. It's just war.



Do I like being noticed & appreciated for my work , views , etc? Sure. Do I expect it? No, not so much. There in lies the fault with this test. Either or of 2 extremes. I think it speaks more to the test than the test taker.



Yeah, it stings

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, January 7, 2013 10:47 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Okay, so I got it to work through another way. My score was 15, right at the top of average. So far I have the highest score here.

Don't worry, Wulfenstar will come along and blow us all out of the water...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, January 7, 2013 3:18 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by kpo:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by kpo:
A 4 on entitlement has got to sting, I would have thought Auraptor.

It's not personal. It's just war.



Do I like being noticed & appreciated for my work , views , etc? Sure. Do I expect it? No, not so much. There in lies the fault with this test. Either or of 2 extremes. I think it speaks more to the test than the test taker.



Yeah, it stings

It's not personal. It's just war.



Naw. You're simply projecting your personal views as to what you believe to be true, regardless of what IS true.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, January 7, 2013 5:20 PM

BYTEMITE


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This bewitching idea - that people's lives will improve with their self-esteem - led to what came to be known as The Self-Esteem Movement.


Heh. Unfathomable arrogance and wishful thinking. The universe does not care if you think yourself to be "neato." It will dump on you the same as everyone else.

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Monday, January 7, 2013 5:53 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Second what Byte said.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 7, 2013 6:12 PM

BYTEMITE


My highest trait is exploitativeness. Absolutely no-one is surprised.

Way too easy to cheat on the test.

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Monday, January 7, 2013 7:03 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I was pretty high on that one too, I was highest though on exhibitionism.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:38 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by kpo:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by kpo:
A 4 on entitlement has got to sting, I would have thought Auraptor.

It's not personal. It's just war.



Do I like being noticed & appreciated for my work , views , etc? Sure. Do I expect it? No, not so much. There in lies the fault with this test. Either or of 2 extremes. I think it speaks more to the test than the test taker.



Yeah, it stings

It's not personal. It's just war.



Naw. You're simply projecting your personal views as to what you believe to be true, regardless of what IS true.


Don't worry I'm not reading any great significance into your score, just finding it amusing. Meanwhile, I see you've started another thread attacking a mother on welfare and entitlement culture...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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I see you've started another thread attacking a mother on welfare and entitlement culture...



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