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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I spent the morning trying to get an overall view of facts on where gun restrictions stands in the country today. To begin, here is the new legislation proposed in the ten states mentioned in the other thread:

I like what California's up to:
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Among a number of measures, California is considering legislation that would require owners to report a lost or stolen gun, require dealers to report large ammunition sales to law enforcement and ban open carry on long guns. The state also has a proposed measure that would outlaw conversion kits that allow for faster reloading on certain firearms.

Those make sense to me.

Arizona currently has some of the most lenient gun laws in the country. Now
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Tucson State Senator Linda Lopez says she'll try to change state law in three ways

-Require Universal background checks for gun purchases, including person to person sales and gun show sales exempt right now.

-Restrict high capacity ammo clips by making it illegal to own, sell or transfer clips that hold more than ten rounds.

-Repeal a state law designed to keep law enforcement from destroying guns seized in connection with a crime. The law requires police to sell the guns to licensed dealers instead. http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/186405571.html]
Personally, in Arizona I don't think she'll have much luck. Particularly because, at the same time:
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While Republicans who dominate the House and Senate have not yet submitted firearms bills for 2013, they are expected to promote even greater public firepower, not less.


Connecticut:
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Changes to gun laws are in the works on both a state and federal level but one town doesn't want to wait. Weston officials are proposing stricter rules in their town in the wake of the tragedy at Sandy Hook.

Right now the use of military style weapons is banned in Weston but not possession of them. The proposal was written by a Republican selectman and is being supported by Democrats on the board.

The first proposed change would ban assault and automatic weapons as well as magazines capable of storing more than ten rounds. The second requires safe and secure storage of weapons not being used and the third requires owners to register weapons with the town. More at http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/fairfield_cty/weston-proposes-stricter-gu
n-laws
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(Given Connecticut already has some of the most stringent gun laws in the nation (along with California), and that it's only one town, my impression is "eh...")

Delaware:
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Gov. Jack Markell is joining Democratic lawmakers in proposing four new gun control laws in Delaware.

One bill would close a loophole allowing people to buy firearms at gun shows without undergoing a background check. Another would prohibit people from carrying guns while under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

A third measure requires that information on mentally ill state residents be sent to the federal instant criminal background check database.

The fourth authorizes law enforcement officials to dispose of seized firearms currently stored at facilities across the state. http://www.cecildaily.com/news/state_news/article_78c3907e-34b7-11e0-b
a94-001cc4c002e0.html
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On one gun-bunny website they listed the new proposed measures to include:

-5 round limit for rifles

-10 round limit for pistols

-Revision to the "gun show loophole"

-Banning all Assault style weapons

-Mandatory reporting of all lost or stolen firearms

How valid that is I don't know, as I can't find any reputable news source saying the same.

Delaware currently has what they call "relatively strict" gun laws, tho' they're not in the top ten, so I don't know what that means.

Florida: A bill from the House minority Democratic party would allow local governments to ban possession of concealed weapons at specific events held at government buildings or o public locations. On the majority Republican side, Senate President Pro Tempore Garrett Richter said "it's too soon" to say whether significant gun legislation wil happen in the session beginning mid-March. (Given Florida just passed it's open-carry law last year, and how minor this new bill is, and how little power Democrats there have in either House, another "eh...")

Illinois:Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn "believes strongly" that legislation restricting semiautomatic weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines should be passed this year, spokeswoman Brooke Anderson said. Rep. Elaine Nekritz (D), chairwoman of the Judiciary Civil Law Committee in the last session, supports the measure.

Also pending: A request by Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan for a federal appeals court to review a lawsuit challenging the state's ban on concealed carry. In December, a three-judge panel struck down the ban as unconstitutional.

Maryland: Democratic Gov. Martin O'Malley is calling for a ban on military-style assault weapons, limits to large ammunition capacity and handgun licensing requirements, which would not apply to shotguns or rifles.

Separate bills are in the works that would allow school staff to carry Tasers, or would allow designated "guardian" school staffers to carry guns. The sponsor is Delegate Mike McDermott (R).

Oregon: Tim Raphael, spokesman for Democratic Gov. John Kitzhaber. "The Governor sees no reason for civilians to have assault weapons – period," Raphael said. "He's directed staff to research a range of options for him to consider on firearms regulation, mental health and school safety measures that could be the basis for a comprehensive approach to the problem. "

At least three gun control measures already are gaining support . One would ban magazines for semiautomatic pistols and rifles that hold more than 10 rounds. Another would prevent holders of concealed weapons permits from taking guns onto school property. The third would ban the sale of military-style assault rifles in Oregon.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/14/state-by-state-gu
n-report/1834361/
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Here is what each of the rest of the states is doing/considering with regard to guns (if they're not listed here, they're either above or no change is expected):

Colorado: House Speaker Mark Ferrandino (D) said Hickenlooper's call to examining access to guns by the mentally ill will be taken seriously by the House and Senate.

Georgia: Rep. Paul Battles (R) introduced a bill to let local boards of education authorize school administrators to carry firearms upon completion of a basic training course. Rep. Charles Gregory (R) introduced bills that would relax gun restrictions and let owners carry guns in churches and on college campuses.

Idaho: Republican Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter is a "life-long member of the NRA," said his spokesman Jon Hanian. The GOP-controlled Legislature will instead look at funding for mental health care.

Indiana: There are two pending proposals: One would providing funding for armed police officers in schools. The other would allow properly permitted college students to carry guns on campus for personal protection.

Iowa: Approval of funds for more frequent mental health crisis training of law enforcement and health officials is more likely than the passage of gun legislation, said Sen. Jack Hatch (D). Republicans in control of the House have signaled their support for strengthening gun ownership rights

Kansas: Republican Gov. Sam Brownback plans to spend $10 million on services for the most at-risk and challenging mental health cases and will name a task force to re-evaluate the system. Sen.-elect Forrest Knox (R) said he will reintroduce a bill that would ease the ban on carrying concealed weapons in state and municipal buildings.

[u[Louisiana: Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal said he will introduce legislation designed to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. His proposal would authorize Louisiana to report mental health eligibility to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) database.

Maine: Gov. Paul LePage, a Republican, feels efforts should center on treating mental illness. Several bills have been filed. One is a proposal to strengthen "the integrity of non-resident concealed handgun permits."

Massachusetts: Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick has pushed for a renewal of the national assault weapons ban — the state has one. Since 2010, he has proposed legislation that would prohibit gun owners from buying more than one firearm every 30 days.

Legislators are considering several gun-control measures, including tougher regulations on storing guns and a bid for better screening processes to keep guns out of the hands of those with mental illnesses. Also, a group of experts will advise legislators on public safety, mental health, law and other areas.

Michigan: Republican Gov. Rick Synder vetoed legislation days after the Newtown shooting that would have allowed permit holders to carry concealed weapons in schools and other gun-free zones, arguing it did not have an opt-out provision.

Minesota: Democratic Gov. Mark Dayton is willing to consider new gun restrictions, but he's not sure whether such measures would be constitutional under the Second Amendment. Rep. Michael Paymar (D), who chairs the House Public Safety Finance and Policy Committee, said he'll hold hearings on a range of gun proposals, including those from both gun-control and gun rights advocates.

Mississippi: Republican Gov. Phil Bryant reaffirmed his support of unfettered gun rights in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting. Spokesman Mick Bullock said Bryant "is strongly opposed to limiting Mississippians' rights to bear arms." With Republicans controlling both chambers, state leaders said efforts to tighten gun laws in Mississippi are dead on arrival.

Missouri: Democratic Gov. Jay Nixon said, "Putting loaded weapons in classrooms is quite simply the wrong approach to a serious issue that demands careful analysis and thoughtful solutions." Rep. Mike Kelley (R) filed a bill that would allow any teacher or school administrator to bring concealed weapons to school. Currently, the school board must approve a person carrying a weapon on school property.

Montana: So far, there are 12 gun-related bill draft requests, but only one has been introduced. Republicans have requested a bill to prohibit state enforcement of any federal bans on semiautomatic firearms and magazines. Another bill seeks to prevent local governments from restricting firearms.

Nebraska: Sen. Mark Christensen (R) pushed a bill last year that would overturn the state's ban on concealed handguns in schools and allow some school administrators to carry them. Christensen said he's not sure if he'll reintroduce the legislation.

Nevada: Senate Majority Leader Mo Denis (D) said discussion will "likely occur" on the issue of safety of children in Nevada's schools more than on gun control."

New Hampshire: Democratic Gov. Maggie Hassan says the state needs to "determine what can be done to make communities safer and better, including improving our mental health system and addressing the proliferation of deadly assault weapons." House Democratic leaders say they view assault-weapons bans primarily as a federal responsibility. The Democrats repealed a House rule that allowed people to carry guns into the chamber.

New Jersey: New Jersey has the "second toughest gun laws in America already," Gov. Chris Christie said. But he said the state needs to have a conversation about gun control. He added that violence in video games and the stigma attached to mental illness also must be on the table for discussion.

Sen. Shirley K. Turner (D) has proposed a bill that would prohibit mail-order, Internet, telephone and any other anonymous method of ammunition sale or transfer. A measure proposed by Sen. Richard J. Codey (D), would prohibit investment by the state of pension and annuity funds in certain companies manufacturing, importing, and selling assault firearms for civilian use. Sen. Loretta Weinberg (D) has proposed measures that would reduce the maximum capacity of ammunition magazines and require ammunition sales and transfers be conducted face-to-face.

New Mexico: Republican Gov. Susana Martinez has long been a gun rights advocate. She is expected to push for a bill to ensure that the state is reporting information to the FBI about people found mentally ill by a court.

Over the past decade, the legislature has passed a law allowing people to have concealed-carry licenses, and expanded that to allow license holders to carry guns into restaurants that sell beer and wine. Rep. Miguel Garcia (D) said he will introduce a bill that will close the "gun show loophole," requiring background checks on anyone buying firearms at gun shows or in private transactions.

North Carolina: Republican Gov. Pat McCrory said he's not for more gun laws. He said he's concerned about a "total breakdown" in the mental health system.

North Dakota: Policy adviser to Republican Gov. Jack Dalrymple says "We're not talking about banning guns," but he does expect lawmakers to talk about ways to better identify people who have emotional or mental problems. Sen. Majority leader Rich Wardner (R) anticipates there could be more money allocated to human services for mental health and counseling.

Ohio: Sen. Eric Kearney (D), the minority leader, says he can see the Republican House passing a bill to let teachers carry weapons, but it's not clear the Republican Senate would approve. The Attorney General's office has formed a group to provide a legal assessment of the state's gun laws. One issue: whether state law lets teachers and administrators carry weapons in school.

Oklahoma: A state law in effect since November 2012 allows licensed gun owners to carry an unconcealed handgun in some circumstances, but not in school buses, at school board meetings, or in public or private schools, colleges or universities. Some legislators have talked about introducing bills that would allow trained teachers and principals to carry guns in school.

Pennsylvania: Republican Gov. Tom Corbett's press office said "We are discussing initiatives to enhance school safety and focusing our attention on how we can prevent guns from getting into the hands of persons with mental health issues.''

Sen. Stewart Greenleaf, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, plans to propose a resolution to create a task force to study the prevention of violence as a first step toward helping the legislature address "many of the issues surrounding mass shootings." Said Greenleaf: "The danger of concentrating just on guns "is that it will divert our attention from some of the causes," such as mental illness and bullying."

Rhode Island: Gov. Lincoln Chafee, an independent, along with the state attorney general, legislative leaders, mental health officials and police chiefs and others have formed an internal working group to take a comprehensive look at the state's gun laws, an effort to develop one bill to overhaul the state's firearms law. The working group will consider whether to recommend a ban on military-style weapons or a limit on the size of magazines. Also under discussion: Changing laws to make it easier to share mental health information.

South Carolina: Republican Governor (Nikki) Haley knows that few things are as clearly defined as the right of individuals to own and use firearms, and she supports open carry and reciprocity for all states," her spokesman Rob Godfrey said. "But the governor ... also believes we need to continue fighting to deliver mental health services to those in desperate need of it."

A bill that would stiffen penalties for carrying a firearm into a business that sells alcohol has been carried over from last year and reintroduced in the House of Representatives. Another bill that comes as a response to concerns the federal government may try to restrict gun rights is the proposed Firearms Freedom Act.

South Dakota: Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard vetoed a bill last year that would have allowed anybody 18 or older without a criminal record to carry a concealed weapon. Tony Venhuizen, Daugaard's director of policy and communications, said the governor isn't endorsing any laws related to firearms, but he expects there to be debate. If any gun measures pass, they will more likely loosen restrictions on firearms than tighten them.

Tennessee: Republican Gov. Bill Haslam said he has doubts about a proposal from Tennessee state legislators to allow armed school teachers. He wants more funding for school resources officers and mental health services. Halsam also wants schools and universities exempt from a so-called guns in trunks bill that would allow gun owners with permits to keep their guns in their cars at work or school.

Speaker of the House Beth Harwell (R) has doubts about arming teachers. But Sen. Stacey Campfield (R) says some schools don't have money for resource officers. His answer is to allow teachers who get additional training as resource officers to carry arms. Campfield said that schools shouldn't be exempt from the guns in trunks bill.

Texas: Rep. Jason Villalba (R) has said he will introduce legislation called the Protection of Texas Children Act that would permit Texas schools to appoint a member of their faculty as a "school marshal," who would be trained, certified and authorized to carry a concealed weapon. Jason Embry, spokesman for House Speaker Joe Straus, says the speaker has not publicly taken a position on the proposed legislation. "But I would stress that he is a strong Second Amendment supporter," Embry said. Republican Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst is considering legislation to require special active shooter training for teachers who want to carry gun.

Utah: The governor's office is not aware of any new legislation regarding gun control in Utah. "What the governor's office is more concerned about is the need to reassess how we address mental health, and particularly access to weapons by the mentally ill."

Vermont: Gov. Peter Shumlin, a Democrat and a gun owner with the endorsement of the National Rifle Association, says the Connecticut shootings prompted him to conclude that some restrictions on high-powered weapons are warranted, but he insists it is a federal issue.

Legislators in both the House and Senate plan to introduce bills that look at restricting how many rounds a gun can fire before reloading and requiring gun locks. But legislative leaders express doubt the bills would gain full traction, as gun control has long been forbidden territory in Vermont.

Virginia: Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell is advancing several proposals. Among them: McDonnell is proposing "targeted new mental health funding," and establishment of a School and Campus Safety Task Force to review security policies at schools and colleges. Republicans in House of Delegates support a plan for "a substantial amount" of increased funding for the state's armed school resource officer program.

West Virginia: Democratic Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin said that while he strongly supported gun rights, "these core principles…should not prevent us from debating and putting reasonable restrictions on assault weapons and magazines capable of carrying hundreds of rounds of ammunition."

Wisconsin : Republican Gov. Scott Walker has said he will convene a meeting of mental health experts to make sure people are getting adequate treatment. Sen. Fred Risser (D) says he plans to again introduce gun legislation after two of his bills died without a hearing during the last session. Legislation to toughen gun control laws would face an uphill battle, as Republicans control both chambers in the Capitol.

Wyoming: Republican lawmakers in the House and Senate are backing a bill that would prohibit the state from enforcing any federal restrictions on semi-automatic weapons or magazines. Lawmakers are also considering a bill to prohibit local governments from passing gun-related ordinances and a measure that would allow concealed carry in schools and on college campuses.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/14/state-by-state-gu
n-report/1834361
/


Out of curiosity, I checked out which states supposedly have the "strictest" gun laws. This ranking of states is from the Brady Campaign, a nonpartisan anti-gun violence group.

CALIFORNIA: The Golden State has the strictest gun control regulation in the US, according to the Brady Campaign. It requires background checks for all firearms sales, and gun buyers must be 21. California, like New Jersey, limits handgun purchases to one a month, It is also considering curbs on open-carry practices..

NEW JERSEY: A recent law that limits an individual to one handgun purchase a month is among the most restrictive gun laws in the US. The state also has strong background check and child safety laws.

MASSACHUSETTS: The law here requires fingerprinting, safety training, background checks, and law enforcement involvement before a gun buyer can obtain a permit to own a firearm.

CONNECTICUT: It requires background checks for handgun buyers, as well as fingerprinting and safety training. Connecticut employers and colleges are not forced to allow firearms on premises.

MARYLAND: The state goes to great lengths to curb firearm trafficking. It requires dealers to obtain a state license to sell guns, limits bulk purchases of handguns, and uses ballistic fingerprinting to identify guns used for criminal acts.

NEW YORK: It requires state licenses for all dealers and background checks for all purchasers at gun shows. New York gun owners must report lost or stolen guns, a requirement designed to curb firearm trafficking.

RHODE ISLAND: Buyers of any firearm must undergo universal background checks, plus safety training, to obtain a permit.

HAWAII: The state emphasizes background checks on gun buyers. It mandates universal background checks for all handgun purchases, as well as fingerprinting and safety training.

ILLINOIS: Gun buyers must be 21 or older. Child safety locks are sold with all handguns. Guns may be permitted in public places, but employers and colleges are not required to allow firearms on premises.

PENNSYLVANIA: The state requires background checks for handgun buyers, and requires gun dealers to obtain a state license.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Photo-Galleries/Lists/States-with-the-stricte
st-gun-laws#259367


Jezus, those are the STRICTEST gun laws in the country??? Damned if I can figure out what the pro-gun folk are going nuts about!

As of January 2011 (best I could find), the top five and bottom five states by gun deaths, as well as where they rank on gun restrictions (the lower the number, the fewer the controls):

Top 5

#1, Mississippi
Gun deaths per 100,000: 18.3
Permissive gun laws: 4th out of 50

#2, Arizona
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 1st out of 50

#3, Alaska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 11th out of 50

#4, Arkansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15.1
Permissive gun laws: 7th out of 50

#5, Louisiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 19.9
Permissive gun laws: 23rd out of 50

Bottom 5

#46, New Jersey
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.2
Permissive gun laws: 49th out of 50

#47, Connecticut
Gun deaths per 100,000: 4.3
Permissive gun laws: 46th out of 50

#48, Rhode Island
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.5
Permissive gun laws: 42nd out of 50

#49, Massachusetts
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.6
Permissive gun laws: 48th out of 50

#50, Hawaii
Gun deaths per 100,000: 2.8
Permissive gun laws: 47th out of 50

http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2011/01/gun-deaths-by-state-gun-laws
-by-state
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Whew...

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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:24 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Niki2:


#1, Mississippi
Gun deaths per 100,000: 18.3
Permissive gun laws: 4th out of 50


#50, Hawaii
Gun deaths per 100,000: 2.8
Permissive gun laws: 47th out of 50


Niki, all this proves is that either good regulation saves lives, or that people in Mississippi are crazier than in Hawaii...

Haken! We need an opinion here!

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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




All we need to do is surround states by 1000's of square miles of water, and vastly limit the ways in which folks can come and go across state lines,and voila, problems solved.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:22 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


All we need to do is surround states by 1000's of square miles of water, and vastly limit the ways in which folks can come and go across state lines,and voila, problems solved.


Okay, same idea from me with two different states (one in which I live):

#2, Arizona
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 1st out of 50

#49, Massachusetts
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.6
Permissive gun laws: 48th out of 50

Please, another pearl of wisdom if you may?

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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


All we need to do is surround states by 1000's of square miles of water, and vastly limit the ways in which folks can come and go across state lines,and voila, problems solved.




Or just go with a federal-level set of gun control laws and regulations.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:48 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Or just go with a federal-level set of gun control laws and regulations.


As long as particle & plasma beam weapons aren't included, I'm in!

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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Or just listen to the NRA:





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:44 PM

RIONAEIRE

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I'm fine with OR banning assault weapons. They used to be banned and it didn't affect any of the gunowners I know, they didn't really mind. I'm thinking of one person in particular who is very pro guns and has no problem with an assault weapon ban coming back.

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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:42 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Out of curiosity, I checked out which states supposedly have the "strictest" gun laws. This ranking of states is from the Brady Campaign, a nonpartisan anti-gun violence group.

CALIFORNIA: The Golden State has the strictest gun control regulation in the US, according to the Brady Campaign. It requires background checks for all firearms sales, and gun buyers must be 21. California, like New Jersey, limits handgun purchases to one a month, It is also considering curbs on open-carry practices..

Jezus, those are the STRICTEST gun laws in the country??? Damned if I can figure out what the pro-gun folk are going nuts about!.



Looks like whoever made this list left out a lot of provisions to each state's laws.

To see all of California's firearms laws, go here http://oag.ca.gov/firearms and be ready to spend a while reading.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 5:05 AM

CHRISISALL


Umm, guys, more people drown in pools & bathtubs each year in the US than get killed by guns... can we finally get rid of those liquid death chambers?

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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 5:05 AM

CHRISISALL


Double posts kill no one though.

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:29 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Umm, guys, more people drown in pools & bathtubs each year in the US than get killed by guns... can we finally get rid of those liquid death chambers?



Yeah.... we should probably ban bathing, and water in general.....


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