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Sunday, March 31, 2013 5:16 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




There's Salt Water On The Surface Of Europa, Which Could Be Good News For Extraterrestrial Life

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Scientists are pretty confident Europa is home to a vast subterranean ocean, but could it have any water on its surface? According to a new study, maybe yes. That’s big news for anyone hoping to send a robotic explorer to the icy moon. And it could be big news for anyone interested in the possibility of life on that Jovian satellite.

Salty water from Europa’s 60-mile-thick ocean makes its way to the surface somehow through cracks in its ice sheet, according to new research. Once it’s there, it is exposed to sulfur from the neighboring moon Io, Jupiter’s largest. Magnesium chloride in the water interacts with the sulfur and produces magnesium sulfate, according to an analysis by astronomers Mike Brown of Caltech and Kevin Hand of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

Brown and Hand looked at spectrometer data from the Keck II Telescope on Mauna Kea and noticed a signal that looked like a form of magnesium sulfate, called epsomite. Then, in Hand’s lab, they tested various salts and other chemicals to compare signals--they looked at everything from table salt to Drano, according to JPL. The signals matched magnesium sulfate.

This is interesting because it shows that Europa has some kind of chemical activity and energy transfer at its surface, the astronomers note in a new paper. That’s important for life-hunters because any alien creatures living on the frigid moon would need an energy source--the sun is far too dim at that distance to really do anything.

This is also important for possible future visits, because it means scientists could sample Europa’s ocean without having to drill through its ice sheet. The new paper was accepted for publication in the Astronomical Journal.



More:

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-03/europa-leaks-salty-water
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This follows on 2011's findings...


New Evidence for Liquid Water on Europa

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In a potentially significant finding in the search for life beyond Earth, scientists studying data from NASA's Galileo probe have discovered what appears to be a body of liquid water the volume of the North American Great Lakes locked inside the icy shell of Jupiter’s moon Europa.
The water could represent a potential habitat for life, and many more such lakes might exist throughout the shallow regions of Europa’s shell, say researchers writing in the journal Nature.
"The data opens up some compelling possibilities," said Mary Voytek, director of NASA's Astrobiology Program at agency headquarters in Washington. "However, scientists worldwide will want to take a close look at this analysis and review the data before we can fully appreciate the implication of these results."



More at

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/16nov_europa/



What I've seen on Earth convinces me that where you find the ingredients and conditions where life CAN exist, you'll almost always find that life DOES exist.





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Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:48 AM

CHRISISALL


I'll go!

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Sunday, March 31, 2013 7:36 AM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb


Thank you, Kwicko, for the Post of Awesome!
(Oh, crap. My brain's moving far faster than I can type.)

My thoughts in no discernible order.

We need to quit waring and institute the Global P-Funk Block Party foreign policy stat! (Thank you, Henry Rollins.)

And we need atleast Google Earth quality survey satellites around every planet (including Pluto) and satellite- I mean moon, in the system. "Y'know, it seemed a bit daft, me havin' to satellite him when he's a satellite."

If we do find life on Europa, even if it's just on the molecular level, and WHEN we get there (if we don't nuke ourselves, or get asteroided), I think we should do our best to not interfere with it.

However, if we, as a species, ever really want to be encountered by some extraterrestrial intelligence (very longshot), it would be strategic to hold some ground near the largest planet in the System of Sol. Easier to spot than the Pale Blue Dot. (It rhymed!)

Of course, we are already closer to the largest OBJECT in the system. Anyways...

I wonder.... That friction creating heat on Europa: Does that mean the body of water is warmer at the bottom? Ooo, if so, you know what that means? Underwater moon base! :highfive:

Ok, so you would have to put the hotel on the surface. With a sky like that, it would be one stellar tourist attraction.


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Sunday, March 31, 2013 7:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree, Mike, and I think it's TRULY exciting. Sadly, if life does exist or is coming into existence "over there", my fear is we'll do our best to fuck it up...put a military base there, maybe, or destroy whatever's "growing" lest it challenge us, or, or, or...you know.... :o(


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Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:57 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




So we have liquid water on Europa. Now we have every indication that it's salty water - a big part of the basis of life is having that right primordial soup in the first place, from what we know of life on Earth and how it began.

Add in the fact that it now appears that the ice shell of Europa often cracks, whether from internal heating, friction, stretching, and thermal stress, or from the near-constant barrage of asteroids, meteor strikes, comet strikes, and the like, AND the regular "dusting" the surface gets from passing comets which Jupiter's XXL gravity sink tends to pull in...

If that ain't the makings of life, then I don't know what is!

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Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:41 AM

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ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US

Oh, sorry. Different thing.

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