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Stewart Savages GOP ‘Cunt-Punters’ For Rejecting Gun Control: ‘Cynical Exercise In Disingenuous Debate’

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Friday, April 19, 2013 8:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Priceless. Go Jon! (Title of thread is not mine, but uncensored title of article, fyi)
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Jon Stewart admitted tonight he was full of disdain for Republicans for their strident opposition . He borrowed a phrase to describe the GOP as “cunt-punters,” saying that they are “killing my soul” and engaging in a “cynical exercise in disingenuous debate.”

After his dismay at seeing the Senate rejecting almost every single gun amendment, Stewart asked, “Did these c*nt-punters… pass anything of substance?” And the Senate did: it voted to restrict publication of where gun owners live. Stewart observed that the only amendment they successfully limited was the first one.

Stewart took on Republican arguments ranging from why not go after video games to Ted Cruz saying “it would put us on that path” to a national government registry. Stewart deconstructed this “cynical exercise in disingenuous debate” and summed up the GOP’s main objection as basically that “there’s really no point in making laws because criminals are just going to end up breaking them”

However, while Stewart would have been okay with just a simple disagreement on gun control, he found a hypocrisy in the GOP trying to limit what can be done to protect American’s gun rights while fighting to give the government every tool possible to combat terrorism. He concluded, “We move heaven and earth to do whatever it takes to prevent weapons to fall into the hands of foreigners who would kill our citizens, because apparently we think killing our citizens is our job.”


Video at http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-april-18-2013/broken-bad

It's absolutely perfect. I especially loved, in response to the idiotic "People who steal guns don't submit to background checks" ("Yes", as Jon says, "But they don't submit to our laws about STEALING...so we shouldn't have any?"):
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The people in our country who've spent millions of dollars to get elected to a legislative body known as the Senate are making the argument "there's really no point in making laws, because criminals are just going to end up breaking them". So let me ask you, do your doors have locks on them? Because my guess is most criminals don't go 'oh, hey everybody...lock...let's just go."
Yeah.

You know, if these Senators were consistent in their fundamental assertion that evil cannot be legislated against, I would disagree with them, but I don't think I would have the same DISDAIN for them. Because it turns out, there ARE situations where the exact same people are much more willing to infringe upon Constitutional freedoms through the power of legislation.



"It's very important that we continue to give our law-enforcement community every tool they need to protect Americans." (Saxby Chamblis, R. Georgia)

"The authority given the FBI is a necessary change in our laws..." (Lindsay Graham, R. South Carolina)

...and on and on. But ANY law in place to MINIMIZE the ability of terrorists or mass murderers from slaughtering those same Americans, when it involves GUNS...no. No way. Gawd forbid.

Terrorism, of course, has been a much greater threat to Americans over all these years than guns ever could, right?

Terror fatilities, 1970 to present: More than than 3,400
Gun fatalaties, 1980 to present: More than 900,000
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So, to combat "terror", we started two wars, tortured people, reorganized the federal government. disallowed the air trafficking of shampoo and conditioner and okayed the robot sky killing of American citizens. Because one American life lost to terror is too many. But it seems to me we'll move heaven and earth to do whatever it takes to prevent weapons from falling into the hands of foreigners who might kill our citizens. Because apparently we think killing our citizens is OUR job.
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Broken Bad, indeed.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 8:25 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Ahhhh... SO I see the TRUTH here now....

The TRUE title of this thread altough it has been censored....

"Stewart Savages GOP ‘Cunt-Punters’ For Rejecting Gun Control: ‘Cynical Exercise In Disingenuous Debate’"

It's Okay for Niki to say the C word because she is one. I guess only non C words are lambasted for posting that word in the RWED.....


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Friday, April 19, 2013 9:02 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"Gun control doesn't work".

Check out Australia:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-april-18-2013/gun-control-whoop-
de-doo


Magons, we are envious.




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Friday, April 19, 2013 9:08 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Niki, you Humongous....



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Friday, April 19, 2013 11:46 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Niki, you Humongous....



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."



Wulfie, you puny, shriveled...




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, April 19, 2013 12:14 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Stewart and the Left are exactly who they accuse others of being.

'Disingenuous debate' is entirely how the Left operates.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

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Friday, April 19, 2013 12:27 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Rap, why not have your sig as, "I know you are, but what am I?"

It would save you typing it out in every single thread.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 12:33 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Rap, why not have your sig as, "I know you are, but what am I?"

It would save you typing it out in every single thread.

It's not personal. It's just war.



Because I'm right, that's why. Name calling, intolerance, knee jerk accusations come almost entirely from the Left ( as the evidence plainly, clearly shows ) and yet the Right gets painted as exactly that.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

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Friday, April 19, 2013 12:47 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


A complete non sequitur...

You're the crazy man shouting to himself in the street again.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 1:48 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I have to say, I'm fast revisiting my plans to visit the States in 2014. Just looks too damned crazy for me, and too dangerous.

Shame, because I would love to have gone here



and here




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Friday, April 19, 2013 2:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


MD - I did a tour out west a while back, and it was amazing. Mt Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Devil's Tower, Battle of the Little Big Horn...ending up in 'Vegas. And I didn't even get to check out Yellowstone Nat't Park.

Lots and lots to see. You'd be missing out.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, April 19, 2013 2:08 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I know but I have a child to think of. These days it feels less dangerous to get on a plane to Bali than to the US.

If it was that simple, I'd avoid the big cities, but given the amount of arms that individuals can and do possess, I wouldn't feel safe in remote locations either. Unless I took my own weapons, And well frak me, might as well holiday in Afghanistan if it has to come to that.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 2:12 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



MD, You're completely over reacting. There's nothing to fear, really. But some Americans are like wild dogs. They can sense fear, so if you're always scared, some may pick up on that and think YOU'RE up to something.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, April 19, 2013 2:30 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


That's also another reason. A collegue of mine, a sweet faced older woman who was travelling to US for work, got such a hard time in customs, ie searched and interrogated, that she has sworn she will never step foot in the country again. I gather she had been a regular visitor prior to that.

NB She was never told why she was stopped and interrogated, she was treated terribly and no apology was ever made regarding her treatment.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 2:56 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Well, I can't defend the TSA or their antics.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, April 19, 2013 10:32 PM

AGENTROUKA


Magons,

don't miss out on a beautiful experience. You don't hear about them on the news so much, but most people in the US are perfectly sane and it's not as dangerous as all that amassed weaponry implies.

My visit to Texas in 2010 was about as dangerous as a box of fluffy kittens and border control at the airport was terse but efficient.

And the people were VERY friendly and hospitable. Almost intimidatingly so to my Teutonic sensibilities.

God knows I wouldn't want to live there (the car culture, oh dear god), but it's really worth a visit. I'm heading for another visit to Oregon this or next year. Apparently, you can't take three steps in Bend without being assaulted by beautiful scenery the whole year round. I want to see it for myself.

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:04 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Oh I know most people are sane and very friendly, it's just that it appears to be getting more dangerous.

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thank you for your kind words, Rouka (how's that weather holding out?). It's true, Magons, and it's true about Oregon, too: absolutely gorgeous, especially the coast!

Come to California--if you make it to SF, I'd be honored to show you around, drive you anywhere you want to go, and that's a serious invite, you can take it to the bank. Have had vistors (and two stayed for YEARS) from all over the world, and tho' I believe we've had some FOILED attempts, we've never had a big one in California that I'm aware of, DESPITE San Francisco being #3 on the 2010 list of "Top Five U.S. Cities for Terrorist Attacks " (L.A. was #1, followed by Washington, S.F., Miami, N.Y.). We had some back in the '70s, but since then, nada.

If you get a chance to see Yosemite, I'd strongly recommend it. It's spectacular--the Grand Canyon didn't do much for me, but others have been blown away by it, and what Rouka said is something I've also been told: "And the people were VERY friendly and hospitable. Almost intimidatingly so". Hee, hee, hee; in the Bay Area in particular, we absolutely RELISH our multiculturalism and have been such a big tourist destination for so long, it's a way of life. I guarantee just opening your mouth would get you tons of affection, as your accent would be recognized immediately.

At one time, the Golden Gate was THE top tourist attraction in the world...which surprised me when I learned it. We've long fallen out of favor, but we were still #7 as of 2009. Today, I'm not sure we even rank, haven't checked, but S.F. is incredibly tourist friendly, I guarantee! New York and Washington (D.C., not state) are a lot more popular these days, as far as the U.S. goes--along with the various Disney facilities, of course.

You want beauty, Rouka's right, Oregon's got it. So does Washington (state, not D.C.), and if you've never stood under and been dwarfed by a thousand-year-old redwood (380 feet tall; can't take you to that one, they keep its location hidden, but we've got others almost as big), I'll put in a plug for Northern California. ANY time...you name it.


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Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Magons

Avoid big cities unless you have someone to stay with who will take you around.

Thanks to our wonderful economy, lack of mental health care, and reduced government services even below the pitiful level they used to be before, there are a lot of street people. The Supreme Court has ruled that pan-handling is protected free speech unless the pan-handler impedes or threatens you. Expect to have at least one person begging at every hotel door, and one or two every few feet going down the sidewalk. If there is public mass transit, it will not necessarily be clean and safe. Cities have taken to removing park benches in order to reduce the number of places the homeless may roost (they get treated like pigeons, by removing places to rest, water, etc, city managers hope to shoo them away elsewhere). Amenities, which were never very plentiful, have all but disappeared. If you want a place to sit down or some water to drink, you will have to find a restaurant and pay. If you go to a place where there's a 'car culture' you will find panhandlers at most street corners, and homeless people with their shopping carts piled high with belongings living under overpasses. Should you go off the beaten path, you will find yourself in Compton, Los Angeles or South Chicago (mere blocks south of the Natural History Museum downtown). And sad to say, there's a LOT of territory one must avoid in the cities, compared to the tourist jewels. In Phoenix, all you have to do is go around to the other side of the main convention hotel block to find tatty all-night storefronts with folding chairs and casual labor waiting for work - even at night. It was in their city park at the end of that street - and having just passed by the gala opening of the new opera house - I accidentally found myself between a short Indian women claiming to have a knife and a small Hispanic man claiming to have a gun.

You may not run into a lot of gun-toting gang-bangers, or right-wing heroic wannabes; but, unless you know where to navigate, you will run into a lot of people living at the edge of existence who may not have the wherewithal to act in a non-threatening way.

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Monday, April 22, 2013 3:11 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Wow. Where do you live, Kiki? Yes, all that EXISTS in the Bay Area, and yes, mostly in S.F., San Jose and Oakland, the three biggest cities, but to nothing like the degree you described.

Homeless have been around for decades, working in the City I got to know some. They're mostly just people, not crazies, and very nice people. Yeah, we've got crazies on streetcorners, I might see one a day when working there, but rarely, if EVER, violent. But wow: "every hotel door, and one or two every few feet going down the sidewalk"...I ask again, where do you live? Must be somewhere unpleasant. Our cities have plenty of amenities; here in Marin they've INCREASED the number of park benches, etc. in recent years, certainly not decreased them. Panhandlers, of course, but not on anything like every streetcorner, "homeless people with their shopping carts piled high with belongings living under overpasses", that's been true for at least twenty years around here.

We have more multi-use pathways and bike-friendly territory than ever existed in the Bay Area, and it's beautiful. Certainly I wouldn't suggest ANYONE try to get around on mass transit--except for the ferries, ours SUCKS--or rent a car to get around the City, since traffic is insane. But you can walk huge parts of S.F. quite nicely, and they've had these neat antique cable cars imported from all over the world that run most of the tourist areas which are really neat. Aside from the fact she wouldn't have to drive ANYWHERE if she came here, and could go anywhere she liked by Taxi Niki free of charge.

And bad parts of the cities where you don't want to go? When have THOSE not existed? I walked and bicycled around S.F. when I worked there for years, right through some of those less-than-savory areas around Market Street in the City, and never saw a single incidence of violence. Neither did Jim, and he went to City Hall and around town daily for his job.

The WORLD is a more dangerous place; I'm pretty sure Magons is aware of these things in her own big cities, but respectfully, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't speak for all of America, but rather for places you've been or know about, if you wouldn't mind. I can't speak for anywhere but the West Coast (and not L.A., as I was careful to drive through there in the middle of the night to avoid it and the traffic even back when I went down that way to get to San Diego back in the '70s!), but I've been to Oregon, Nevada, Idaho, New Mexico and Washington, and none of what you described held true there, either.


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Monday, April 22, 2013 6:17 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I live in a very quiet small town outside of Los Angeles, just at the base of the foothills. To the west and north of me is an even more upscale and peaceable community, to the south and east is a community noted for graffiti, gangs and violence. My area is in between, with occasional graffiti. I've experienced lots of - sometimes every day - pilfering from my yard, the police blotter lists lots of theft from homes where the doors are left unlocked, cars and yards, and the occasional major burglary.

But traveling through Los Angeles, there are whole swaths of the city where you do not want to be, and there are wholes swaths of surrounding cities you do not want to be: Long Beach downtown and areas to the north, according to people I know who live there - gangs, violence; the area around USC - gangs, violence; Watts/ Compton/ Pico Rivera/ Gardena - gangs, violence; the area near the 101 Freeway and Alvarado - homeless encampments; of course there's downtown's 'Skid Row' - homeless street people; the 605/10 interchange, the 605/Florence Avenue interchange, along the LA River - homeless encampments ... these are places I know about directly. That doesn't even begin to address the panhandlers on freeway exit ramps and street corners even in 'nice' places like Pasadena: for example the rotating panhandlers at the corner of Rosemead and E Foothill Boulevard in Pasadena, and at the entrance ramp to the 605N in Downey. These are what I know about from extended personal experience or the extended personal experience of people I know well. If I were to make a point of looking it up, I'm sure I would find more.


"every hotel door, and one or two every few feet going down the sidewalk"
This is from personal experience in downtown Chicago, the 'miracle mile', and areas south, along with noticing that over the years the city has removed park benches from Grant Park. This is not true of the very BE$$$T hotels like the Marriott, but it's true of the Essex Inn, the next hotel down the street from the Marriott. The Marriott in this photo is at the very right edge, the Essex is the smaller building directly to the left.

I assure you every thing I listed is something I know about specifically.

ETA: By reputation, San Francisco is a notable exception in California regarding the depth and breadth of public amenities and programs.


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Monday, April 22, 2013 6:19 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Rap, why not have your sig as, "I know you are, but what am I?"

It would save you typing it out in every single thread.

It's not personal. It's just war.



HA!

So true. Kwick and I listed all his usual go-to comments in another thread - but I think we actually missed that one, somehow. I should pull that list and give it a home of it's own.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, April 22, 2013 6:36 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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every thing I listed is something I know about specifically.
Fair enough, but how about not extrapolating all those things to the ENTIRE country, or even all the big cities? Because none of what you wrote is true in the Bay Area to the extent you described it. That was my point.

Apologies for asking where you live, I forgot to check my notes. When people mention whether they're female or male or where they live, I make note of it, and yeah, I see San Dimas...you're out in "dry country", from the looks of it. About twice as far from downtown L.A. as we are from downtown S.F., so we're both suburbs, but may I suggest our areas, tho' both in California, are vastly different. I envy you the San Gabriels, we have no "mountains" closer than the Sierra Nevada (two-hour drive to reach the foothills), whereas you're right in the foothills. Bet it's beautiful.

I certainly haven't actually been IN L.A. since the sixties, nor would I choose to be, nor would I recommend it to anyone. It's a whole different world from Northern California...and I would venture to say quite different from San Diego, as well; certainly it was when I used to go down there. L.A. has never been "representative" of the country as a whole; no city is, admittedly, and my opinion of L.A. is certainly prejudiced.

Basically, I just feel it's unfair to characterize all of America, or all our big cities, by the few any one of us may have experienced.


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Monday, April 22, 2013 7:06 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I should have excepted San Fransisco, I just did a rundown of all the big and even medium cities I've lived in or been to (visits were mostly business), and there were significant negatives in every one. Cleveland, Chicago, Buffalo, Atlanta, Tampa, Miami, Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, Los Angeles, San Diego, and many smaller cities (too many to even remember). Negatives I didn't find in any Canadian city or town I've been to.

I would love the Foothills much more if I wasn't such a gorram tick magnet. Buttoning up from head to foot and shaking a half-dozen or more ticks out of my clothes and shoes after every hike - when everyone else is problem-free in shorts and T's - just got too disgusting. I didn't used to be one and spent many weekends hiking, but alas, no more. I still look at them longingly. They are still a beautiful sight tho especially in winter when the mountains behind them are capped with snow. For ease in picturing them, the Foothills themselves are quite dry where I am, you don't find forests per se, instead you find annual grasses and some scrub.

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Monday, April 22, 2013 8:12 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"Significant negatives" is, I would argue, different from the picture you painted. You said "expect..." and things like "Amenities, which were never very plentiful, have all but disappeared." All big cities have negatives, and I would respectfully suggest that comparing American big cities to Canadian ones leaves out the entire rest of the world, to much of which our cities compare quite favorably.

Around the Bay Area, there are constant efforts to IMPROVE and increase amenities, such as multi-use pathways with benches and places for tourists to enjoy the view or the area. It's an ongoing effort around here, just the opposite from what you described, and yes, it's going on in the City as well as the suburbs. While S.F. transit is unquestionably less than clean and has its dangers, tourists rarely encounter such things, between the cable cars, BART trains, the entire line of antique cable trolleys and so forth. My husband commuted into the City by transit buses for a number of years and never had a single problem. So even there, it varies between which type of transit you utilize.

As always, I'm arguing on the side of moderation, of the idea that not all places fit specific molds, and against tarring all big cities with the same brush. The cities you listed were mostly in the South and Midwest (if what you say is true of San Diego, I am deeply saddened; it was VERY different from L.A. when I was last there). I would hazard a guess that big cities in Oregon and Washington don't fit the mold you described either. You will get no argument from me that big cities aren't great; overpopulation always makes for the worst living conditions and the least safety in that respect. I just find myself loath to completely accept your description, in its dramatic and unforgiving terms, as representative of ALL big cities, in America or anywhere else.

On the subject of ticks, however, I am fully in agreement! We've JUST begun going through that here, and it's a pisser. I resist using Advantix on my dogs until necessary, not just because it costs so much, but I gave in and doused them yesterday. The grasses here (because of the late rains) just went shoulder-high, and I sulky my dogs on trails in the area. I can no longer hike, so that's my outdoor activity, and my husband still runs. Saturday I got back to the car to see upwards of TEN of the little black bastards on Kochyok's cheek (neither dog had any others, so she must have just picked them up, but that's ENOUGH!) and had to pull one off my husband that night. They seem to love him...I yanked one off me who had JUST attached the day before, but I rarely get them; our other nemesis, yellow jackets, prefer me. Luckily they just cut down the grasses out at The Ponds, our favorite sulkying site, but we've now given up several other trails for the duration. That particular aspect of California living we share with you in abundance, along with wildfires, drought and numerous others!

Yeah, I wandered around the internet looking at your area; it's actually much like some of the areas around here. Marin is mostly forest, but we have the same rolling hills dotted with Oak as you and the majority of our state. Jim loves them; me, the redwoods and mountains are where my heart lives. I'm a cold-weather gal! What you've got over us is views of the mountains, as you mentioned...we only have the one little "mountain" (and she's just BARELY officially one, at just over 2,000 feet!) and never see snow except a rare dusting on her very top once in a blue moon. We have enough hilly country to keep me happy-ish, but I used to live in the Santa Clara Valley (aka "Silicon Valley") and loved having the Santa Cruz Mountains within view.


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Monday, April 22, 2013 8:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Okay, to try to return to the original topic of this thread, some comments to Jon Stewart's piece:
Quote:

Republican logic: If you have guns you should be able to do whatever you want. If you have a uterus, your life can't be legislated enough.

To which someone responded
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You can have my uterus when you pry it from my cold, dead... wait. That doesn't really work does it?

And one I've missed:
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By the way - the same Senate is getting ready to pass a bill that allows everything you type on the internet to be sold to anyone AT&T wants in the name of "cyber-security".

Note that you are paying for service on AT&T and AT&T is going to sell your identity. So, AT&T gets paid twice.

Also note our great bagger republic is cheering this on.


Are they talking about CISPA? Have I missed any discussion of CISPA, 'cuz I don't recall seeing one here, and does anyone else view CISPA the same way as this commenter...?

Seems to me CISPA is yet another variation of how totally happy our "representatives" are with trampling over our rights when it comes to potential foreign "terrorism", while totally loath to ever, ever even consider putting any kind of curb on who can buy a gun, where, when, or whatever... Am I wrong?


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Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Jon Stewart strikes AGAIN:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-22-2013/this-is-cnn-

priceless! Get your giggle for the day...many of them...


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