REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

Boy Scouts of America Has A Lot To Learn From the Girl Scouts

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Saturday, May 25, 2013 03:10
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 886
PAGE 1 of 1

Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I found this absolutely fascinating; I didn't know MUCH of what I learned from this article, and it's made me think, as well as reflecting something much larger in our society when it comes to males and females:
Quote:

After months of delay, Boys Scouts of America (BSA) is finally voting today to overturn its ban on “openly gay” scouts (though not scout leaders—those are still verboten.) The BSA has defended its discriminatory policy on the grounds that homosexuality is incompatible with the Scout Law, especially with the values expressed in its commitment to ‘morally straight’ and ‘clean’ living. But instead of twisting themselves into moral knots that encourage bigotry, the Boy Scouts would have saved themselves a lot of angst and controversy (and also done better by American boys) if they were more like…the Girl Scouts.

In their statement of purpose called “What we stand for,” the Girl Scouts explicitly reject discrimination of any kind and consider sexual orientation, “a private matter for girls and their families to address.” Noting their affirmation of freedom of religion, a founding principle of American life, the Girl Scouts “do not attempt to dictate the form or style of a member’s worship” and urge “flexibility” in reciting the Girl Scout Promise. (They are encouraged to substitute the word “God” for something that’s more in line with their own spiritual practice.) It’s an arresting contrast to the Boy Scouts of America, who in addition to excluding gays also refuse to hire non-believers. While the BSA employment application states unequivocally that atheists, agnostics and “known or avowed homosexuals” are in all cases barred from becoming Scout leaders, convicted criminals can rest easy that their record “is not an automatic bar to employment.”

But there’s more than discrimination at stake. The BSA’s clannish practices may harm heterosexual boys too. That’s because a body of research suggests that excluding people from groups who are different impairs creative problem-solving and critical thinking. The studies, ranging from financial trading and management practices to jury deliberations, have confirmed what most of us know intuitively: our decision-making is enhanced by a wide variety of perspectives, even from those with whom we may disagree.

Some will argue – and many have – that the Boy Scouts aren’t practicing discrimination, merely asserting, as a private institution, constitutionally protected values that have been upheld by the supreme court. And that’s correct, as far as it goes.

The problem is that these values reflect a constricted vision of moral development based on outdated stereotypes of masculinity that can keep young men from reaching their full potential as human beings, while the values of the Girl Scouts enhance moral and intellectual development. According to an article in the Atlantic, the two organizations started with similar aims but quickly diverged as the Boy Scouts affiliated with church sponsors and other elite power structures while the Girl Scouts went their own way. Girl Scouts started racially desegregating their troops back in the 1950’s (Martin Luther King Jr. was a vocal fan) and have long espoused a culture of inclusion, dialogue, and strongly independent thinking. In 2011, Kathleen E. Denny, a sociologist at the University of Maryland, analyzed the Boy Scout and Girl Scout handbooks and concluded:
Quote:

The girls’ handbook conveys messages about approaching activities with autonomous and critical thinking, whereas the boys’ handbook facilitates intellectual passivity through a reliance on organizational scripts. Taken together, girls’ messages promote an “up-to-date traditional woman” consistent with the Girl Scouts’ organizational roots; boys’ messages promote an assertive heteronormative masculinity that is offset by facilitating boys’ intellectual passivity.


Contemporary life demands an increasingly elastic and collaborative mind, and the unfortunate truth is that American women, generally speaking, are finding it easier to adapt to a country of diverse people and ideas. One study found that female politicians make more effective legislators because they are better collaborators and less prone to show-boating (or going off on an Appalachian trail of personal exploration). They sponsor and co-sponsor more bills (an average of 26 more per congressional session) and they also bring more money to their districts compared to their male counterparts. (And we’re talking “real money” here: an average of $50 million dollars more per legislator.) The reason seems to be that women politicians are more skilled at the “deal-making” activities that result in legislative action.

Nearly all the essential academic skills identified by the Partnership for 21st Century Learning, such as creativity and innovation, problem-solving, communication and collaboration and civic literacy, are areas in which girls arguably have an advantage. However, there is no reason boys can’t excel in them too.

Many indicators are telling us that we have to do a better job of helping young men navigate early adulthood. The Boy Scouts have an admirable tradition of teaching boys to become men. But as men and women work, go to war, and raise families interchangeably, it no longer makes sense to idealize a stereotypic brand of masculinity, one that is ‘physically strong,’ and ‘clean’… whatever that means. The morally “straight” thing to do seems obvious: help all boys and girls become their better selves. http://ideas.time.com/2013/05/23/the-girl-scouts-are-better-than-the-b
oy-scouts/#ixzz2U8J4p9kf


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:54 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Thanx for this, Niki. My eldest daughter was a Gold Award Girl Scout, the equivalent of an Eagle Scout. My youngest was a member for 8 or 9 years, Mrs. BC a troop leader for over 10 years. I'll have her check out this thread, she's registered here, but doesn't visit often. Proud of my girls, proud of my wife for her work.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:34 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


My cousin was an Eagle Scout 30 years ago -- gay.


NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, May 24, 2013 2:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


And you have every right to be proud, NewOld; I was pretty impressed to learn all that.

I don't know their history, so wonder if the Boy Scouts were started by some religious group, and the Girl Scouts by a secular group or something, to have such dramatic differences in their attitudes.


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, May 24, 2013 3:36 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
And you have every right to be proud, NewOld; I was pretty impressed to learn all that.

I don't know their history, so wonder if the Boy Scouts were started by some religious group, and the Girl Scouts by a secular group or something, to have such dramatic differences in their attitudes.




I don't think either was started by a group, both were products of strong individuals. Lord BadenPowell started the Boy Scouts in England in the 18--'s ( 80' or 90's I think. Victorian, anyway, maybe right after the Boer War) The original intent was to give boys something uplifting to do, teach them about duty, honor, respect, etc. It was pretty militaristic, also, prepping them for the Army, educating them about how to live and survive outdoors, in minimal circumstances.

Girl Scouts were started by Julia (Daisy) Lowe in Georgia, Atlanta, I think,a few years later, to give girls an organized way to participate outdoors. The littlest Girl Scouts are still called Daisies. She and her troops sold home-baked cookies to fund their activities, that's why the GS still do it.
She, and the organization, have always been feminist, advocating and teaching self-confidence, self-respect, individuality and equality for girls.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, May 24, 2013 4:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Interesting. So the Brits started the Boy Scouts--I should have figured. Wonder how the two got their different mentalities...might be worth investigating, they're SO different!

The things we learn about aspects of our lives we took so much for granted. I was a "Brownie" in Afghanistan, but I'm sure our pre-Girl-Scout version was nothing like what was happening in the States!! ;o)


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, May 24, 2013 4:06 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


The Boy Scouts are really in a "Damned if you don't. Damned if you do" situation concerning the open admission of gays in leadership positions.

If they don't, they're criticized for being homophobic and behind the times.

If they do, and there is even one occurrence of abuse, they'll get hung out to dry for not preventing it.

Not an enviable situation for their leadership.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, May 24, 2013 4:30 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
The Boy Scouts are really in a "Damned if you don't. Damned if you do" situation concerning the open admission of gays in leadership positions.

If they don't, they're criticized for being homophobic and behind the times.

If they do, and there is even one occurrence of abuse, they'll get hung out to dry for not preventing it.

Not an enviable situation for their leadership.





They've already been in trouble over gay abuse cases. Much like the Catholic church and its priests, they fired leaders accused of such, but didn't notify the police, and kept secret files. They (are/were) being sued over access to those files, the last I heard. They, like the Catholics, have a long history with many cases.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, May 25, 2013 3:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Weird; the contrast of the two still mentalities fascinates me.

Aside from which, havn't there been abuses pretty much everywhere there have been children, and haven't all organizations had to deal with them? And, I don't know the figures, but haven't SCHOOLS had their own problems with child sexual abuse, had to deal with it, and hasn't most of it been by HETEROsexuals? In which case, that nullifies the B.S.'s case against barring gays, doesn't it?


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
Elections; 2024
Thu, April 18, 2024 06:05 - 2264 posts
Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Thu, April 18, 2024 05:41 - 6257 posts
Biden's a winner, Trumps a loser. Hey Jack, I Was Right
Thu, April 18, 2024 00:50 - 147 posts
Russian losses in Ukraine
Wed, April 17, 2024 23:58 - 1005 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Wed, April 17, 2024 23:29 - 3529 posts
Sentencing Thread
Wed, April 17, 2024 22:02 - 364 posts
With apologies to JSF: Favorite songs (3)
Wed, April 17, 2024 20:05 - 50 posts
Share of Democratic Registrations Is Declining, but What Does It Mean?
Wed, April 17, 2024 17:51 - 4 posts
I'm surprised there's not an inflation thread yet
Tue, April 16, 2024 21:17 - 740 posts
Grifter Donald Trump Has Been Indicted And Yes Arrested; Four Times Now And Counting. Hey Jack, I Was Right
Tue, April 16, 2024 20:24 - 795 posts
I agree with everything you said, but don't tell anyone I said that
Tue, April 16, 2024 12:42 - 14 posts
Punishing Russia With Sanctions
Tue, April 16, 2024 02:04 - 504 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL