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Your daily dose of craziness from the GOP

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Wednesday, June 19, 2013 4:07 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Erika Harold, GOP Candidate, Targeted In Racially Charged Attack By Jim Allen, Illinois GOP Official

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An Illinois Republican Party chairman apologized Wednesday after unleashing a racially charged attack on a black female congressional candidate.

In an email sent to Doug Ibendahl, a Chicago attorney who runs the independent website Republican News Watch, Montgomery County Republican Party chairman Jim Allen had harsh words for former Miss America and GOP congressional candidate Erika Harold, who announced earlier this month that she would mount a primary challenge against Rep. Rodney Davis (R-Ill.) next year.

"Rodney Davis will win and the love child of the D.N.C. will be back in Shitcago by May of 2014 working for some law firm that needs to meet their quota for minority hires," Allen, a Davis supporter, wrote in the Tuesday email. "The little queen touts her abstinence and she won the crown because she got bullied in school,,,boohoo..kids are cruel, life sucks and you move on.. Now, miss queen is being used like a street walker and her pimps are the DEMOCRAT PARTY and RINO REPUBLICANS."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/erika-harold-jim-allen_n_3468
653.html?1371684254&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

Tell us all again how great that minority outreach is going, GOP!

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, June 19, 2013 4:45 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Those statements he made are beyond crazy, they're vile and sick. For a party leader to say them is unforgivable. No apology can be adequate.

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Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:55 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Those statements he made are beyond crazy, they're vile and sick. For a party leader to say them is unforgivable. No apology can be adequate.

So maybe this dude oughtta resign from the party and from public official position, and with what's left of his own good grace, shut up and never be heard from again?

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Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:55 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Pretty stupid.

Doesn't he know this is why you have secret email accounts?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/04/us-officials-secret-email-
accounts

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:58 AM

BYTEMITE

Uhhhh

It's like he was making a checklist of which groups he can offend today so he could sum up the total to measure how much of a dick he's being.

I can appreciate the empirical approach, but the means leave something to be desired. If he really wanted his jerkassery recognized he could've just punched a baby and saved us all some time.

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So maybe this dude oughtta resign from the party and from public official position, and with what's left of his own good grace, shut up and never be heard from again?

Probably not. He'll make some comment about how his verbal incontinence is unrelated to his job performance, and something about free speech.

Since when do politicians resign just for saying stupid shit? They say stupid shit like all the time. Most of congress would be vacant...

...Can we make this a precedent? Lawyers can be disbarred if they piss off too many judges, maybe politicians should be removed and barred from office if a sufficient majority of the people who voted for them now think they're an asshat.

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Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:31 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Well, Byte, you'll note I quoted Jong in that post- he called what he guy said vile and unforgivable.

Stupid, offensive, racist is one thing.( E-T-A: I left out crazy and sick.) Even vile. But I take Jong at his word: unforgivable is, well, unforgivable. And if what he said is unforgivable, then maybe he should leave the public scene. Maybe his followers and partisans should pressure him to do what he SHOULD DO, and not accept a half-sincere fake apology. Maybe Jong should advocate that.

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Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:56 AM

BYTEMITE

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Maybe his followers and partisans should pressure him to do what he SHOULD DO, and not accept a half-sincere fake apology. Maybe Jong should advocate that.

The party big wigs only do that if it's a criminal offense, or if it potentially damages the rest of the party during campaign season. They never do it because they really think what the guy did was unforgivable, they only do it if they're looking out for themselves.

Similarly the only reason their opposition cares is because they smell blood in the water and they think they might get an advantage. If they push too hard for resignation they'll get called out on that and this will promptly drop.

Basically no one is ever going to resign voluntarily unless they're sick or like a million years old or someone made them a better offer. Too much money to make and too much muck to rake.

Also for every person who is genuinely outraged by this, there's someone else who doesn't actually care. Maybe they're feigning outrage, maybe they secretly or not-so secretly think those comments were deserved. This guy might even get reelected because people will forget and the others will approve. It's just what happens.

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Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:51 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

Well, Byte, you'll note I quoted Jong in that post- he called what he guy said vile and unforgivable.

Stupid, offensive, racist is one thing.( E-T-A: I left out crazy and sick.) Even vile. But I take Jong at his word: unforgivable is, well, unforgivable. And if what he said is unforgivable, then maybe he should leave the public scene. Maybe his followers and partisans should pressure him to do what he SHOULD DO, and not accept a half-sincere fake apology. Maybe Jong should advocate that.

What that idiot said IS unforgivable. In the normal working world, anyone from clerk to CEO would be fired immediately. But somehow politics has its own rules. If he had any shred of moral or civil rightousness he would resign, but he probably won't. In the world of county and state politics it all comes down to money. County Party Chairmen are usually the ones who have either given the most or raised the most cash. I learned that lesson years ago when I worked briefly for the Broward County Republican Party. I was surrounded by good people of modest means, but we were directed by some of the wealthiest people in Ft. Lauderdale.

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Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:05 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
...Can we make this a precedent? Lawyers can be disbarred if they piss off too many judges, maybe politicians should be removed and barred from office if a sufficient majority of the people who voted for them now think they're an asshat.

I still think we oughta go with my idea...

Fit every elected official with a tamperproof exploding collar, and when folks vote they're given a switch on the way out - if 70% of them switches are flipped, collar explodes.

Simple, elegant, efficient.

-F

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Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:49 AM

BYTEMITE

/meme

The funny part of this is that everyone would flip the switches within five seconds just to see what happens.

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Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:49 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

The funny part of this is that everyone would flip the switches within five seconds just to see what happens.

And that would serve as The First Lesson for those who followed.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:51 PM

KWICKO

Aaaaaaaannnnnnd...

He's out.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/20/miss-america-st
reet-walker-jim-allen-erika-harold/2442743/

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, June 21, 2013 2:27 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

In my opinion, this isn't "crazy from the right" in my opinion, it's just "business as usual" for the racists in the Republican Party who are dumb enough to open their mouths.

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Friday, June 21, 2013 4:28 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Not that I'm going to take the time to dig for any of it, but ... I can't imagine a career politician just saying something like that out of the blue. I'm assuming there's a history of those kinds of statements, that's been acceptable as long as it was discretely pitched to the "right" audience. It's similar to Romney's 47% diatribe. The only problem republicans had with both of them was that they reached a wider audience.

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Friday, June 21, 2013 5:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yup, Kiki, just what I meant. Not to say it is any majority of the Republican party, by any means, but certainly a notable portion of their "base", or they wouldn't be caught saying such things so often.

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Friday, June 21, 2013 5:58 AM

BYTEMITE

Huh.

Okay then. Grats to NOBC for calling it. Kpo, you can put that in your failed predictions thread.

...But don't think this doesn't convince me that the corruption and general awfulness in this world and society doesn't exist. A single incident is not sufficient evidence to overturn the hypothesis.

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Friday, June 21, 2013 6:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Goodness gracious, Byte, is there anyone here who would TRY to convince you that the "corruption and general awfulness in this world and society" DOESN'T exist? If there is, they need help!

Trying to make something out of nothing in no way changes the fact that there's tons and tons of corruption and awfulness in the world, our society, and virtually every other society every day. ;o)

The nice thing is that SOMETIMES, when someone like this goes SO far over the line, and it comes to light, they pay for it. Appropriately, thank goodness. Just not often enough.

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Friday, June 21, 2013 4:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Pretty stupid.

Doesn't he know this is why you have secret email accounts?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/04/us-officials-secret-email-
accounts
]

Oh, let me get back to this for a second. Geezer, what does this have to do with the topic? Aside from your need to substitute snark for genuine thought at every opportunity, that is.

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Saturday, June 22, 2013 3:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

His need to substitute snark for genuine thought at every opportunity. And apparently his opinion that vicious racism in a public official is perfectly okay, as long as nobody knows about it but your buddies who think the same way.

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Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:37 AM

BYTEMITE

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Goodness gracious, Byte, is there anyone here who would TRY to convince you that the "corruption and general awfulness in this world and society" DOESN'T exist? If there is, they need help!

Nickerson would. They don't need "help," but I am sometimes baffled and skeptical about the amount of trust they have for corporations and the government.

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Trying to make something out of nothing in no way changes the fact that there's tons and tons of corruption and awfulness in the world, our society, and virtually every other society every day. ;o)

Bu- I'm not sure what this means?

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The nice thing is that SOMETIMES, when someone like this goes SO far over the line, and it comes to light, they pay for it. Appropriately, thank goodness. Just not often enough.

Maybe... Although now I'm wondering if there might be something I don't know going on here with this story or some other angle.

Never really observed justice to hit the upper crust much.

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Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Trying to make something out of nothing in no way changes the fact that there's tons and tons of corruption and awfulness in the world, our society, and virtually every other society every day.

Means the fact that the latest three "scandals" had no basis, but were blown up humongously to try and make them each into some kind of monstrous government conspiracy doesn't change the fact that government conspiracies, corruption and awfulness DO take place every day.

As to the rest, definitely "justice" doesn't touch the upper crust all that much, but it's been shown over and over that when a public official makes truly outrageous statements that become public, sometimes they DO pay a price of one sort or another, sometimes they lose elections, sometimes they get fired. It's happened a LOT in the past few years (almost exclusively on the right), so there's no surprise that the kinds of things this guy said got him in hot water.

The REAL upper crust, like Donald Trump, who are not dependent upon the public or government for their jobs, skate every time, but when the public is involved, sometimes people are held to account. It's called Democracy, and tho' it doesn't work nearly often enough nor well enough, it's better than the alternative in this respect.

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