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7 Jaw-Droppingly Dumb Things Republicans Think About Science

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Sunday, June 23, 2013 7:13 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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From trees causing global warming to fetuses in your Pepsi, here are some of the battiest things Republicans have said about science.

It was Texas Representative Michael Burgess’ turn on the GOP’s Bullhorn of Crazy this week. “You watch a sonogram of a 15-week baby, and they have movements that are purposeful,” Burgess said during a congressional debate on the House Republican’s absolutely pointless bill outlawing abortions past 20 weeks. “They stroke their face. If they’re a male baby, they may have their hand between their legs. I mean, they feel pleasure..."

Burgess’ prenatal masturbation musing is only the tip of the melting iceberg of Republican science denial. Here are seven battier things they believe, from trees causing global warming to fetuses in your Pepsi.

1. Abortion Leads To Cancer, Birth Defects, And Everything Else

Burgess’ absurdity actually masked a very serious GOP belief. The “fetus pain” theory, which holds that fetuses begin to feel pain around 20 weeks, has been the primary logic behind a slew of recent abortion bills in state legislatures. As no reputable science backs the theory up, the GOP has been forced to find anything wearing a lab coat to make stuff up.

Abortions are rare after 21 weeks, and usually occur when a woman develops serious complications with her pregnancy. But some Republicans go so far as to think the health exemption is a cover for the abortion industry. “There’s no such exception as life of the mother, and as far as health of the mother, same thing,” Joe Walsh said in 2012 on his way to losing his House seat. “With advances in science and technology, health of the mother has become a tool for abortions for any time under any reason.” (Republicans have no problem invoking science when it suits their needs.)

Burgess is hardly alone in digging up scientific-sounding nonsense to back up his abortion views. Rick Santorum was the most recent peddler of the long-discounted theory that abortions lead to breast cancer, while out in Virginia, which has a nasty strain of abortion-based delusion, a state delegate advanced the notion that abortions lead to handicaps. “The number of children who are born subsequent to a first abortion with handicaps have increased dramatically,” Bob Marshall said. “Why? Because when you abort the firstborn of any, nature takes its vengeance on the subsequent children.”

2. Everything They Say About Rape

Burgess’ comment was notable for not featuring the word “rape,” the hook on which many right-wing legislators hang their crazy coats, to the point that Stephen Colbert has instituted a “Days Without a Rape Reference” segment.

This started with Todd Akin’s famous “legitimate rape” comment last fall, though the theory is still being repeated. Akin’s comment was so bad that even lawmakers who didn’t entirely agree with it were caught in its net: Richard Mourdock blew a gimme election in Indiana when he tripped himself trying to get away from Akin’s remark.

Like Burgess, Akin’s comment was important not because it was an aberration, but because it reflected a real belief on the right, one that’s beginning to infect policy. Arguing against a rape exemption in his anti-abortion bill last week, Trent Franks stated that the incidences of pregnancy from rape are “very low.” Some see daylight between Franks’ iteration of the rape/pregnancy connection and Akin’s, but it’s minor. And while Akin’s view was rooted in medieval medicine, Franks’ theory traces its lineage right back to Nazi experiments. Whether dealing with centuries-old pseudo-science or its bleak modern mutations, the GOP’s rape/pregnancy link is bad science at its most savage.

3. Climate Change Doesn’t Exist, and If It Does It’s Caused By Trees

Not all Republican science denial involves evil lady parts. Their resistance to the very idea of climate change is so staunch that it bred an entire theory of GOP-specific ignorance.

The least crazy of the party acknowledge climate change is occurring but refuse to link it to human behavior, instead seeing the rise in temperatures as part of a natural cycle. After all, it’s not like Hurricane Sandy was the first extreme weather event in history. “I would point out that if you’re a believer in the Bible, one would have to say the Great Flood is an example of climate change and that certainly wasn’t because mankind had overdeveloped hydrocarbon energy,” Texas congressman Joe Barton said during a House hearing on the Keystone Pipeline. (You will remember Barton from his apology to BP over the company’s oil spill.)

There’s one problem with this: refusing to link global warming to human behavior greatly reduces your options for curtailing it. See Dana Rohrabacher, a far-right California congressman, who found a natural solution to a natural problem. "Is there some thought being given to subsidizing the clearing of rainforests in order for some countries to eliminate that production of greenhouse gases?” Rohrabacher asked during a House hearing on U.N. climate policies.

This is for the Republicans who actually admit climate change exists. Many don’t, and they made sure we knew about it last year when they rejected an amendment that would have simply acknowledged the occurrence of global warming. The amendment didn’t garner a single GOP vote.

It gets worse. In 2012, North Carolina’s legislature went the full-ostrich route. Not only did they refuse to admit that global warming was happening, they actually banned scientists from researching it, passing a bill prohibiting the measurement of sea-levels so nobody could notice they were rising. (The ocean rudely rose anyway.)

4. Breast Implants, On The Other Hand, are a Fine Use Of Science

Okay, most of their science denial involves lady parts, but not all of it’s negative! Tom Coburn proves the GOP would be scientists’ best friend if those nerds would stick to expanding things men want to look at.

"I thought I would just share with you what science says today about silicone breast implants,” Coburn said during a hearing on class action lawsuits, a nagging problem for plastic surgeons. “If you have them, you're healthier than if you don't. That is what the ultimate science shows. . . . In fact, there's no science that shows that silicone breast implants are detrimental and, in fact, they make you healthier." (They don’t.)

5. No Dead Fetuses In Your Soft Drinks

But the GOP’s science permissiveness begins and ends with breasts; anything that might help with, say, medical research is off the table. Stem cells in particular give Republicans the bends. Where most see the frontier of medical research, Republican candidates for senate see islands of Dr. Moreaus.

“American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains,” Christine O’Donnell told Bill O’Reilly in 2007. Talking Points Memo guessed O’Donnell was referencing an experiment in which doctors grew human brain cells within mice—-“not the same as an actual functioning human brain, but a demonstration that human brain cells can be made from stem cells”—-but they didn’t sound too confident speculating on her inspiration.

At least O’Donnell wasn’t actually a lawmaker. Last year, Oklahoma State Senator Ralph Shortley got wound up over a zany Internet theory claiming stem cells were being used in the production of artificial sweeteners, and proposed a bill prohibiting companies in Oklahoma from using aborted fetuses to make food.

6. Evolution Is (Still) Out To Get Jesus

“I’m not a scientist, man,” Marco Rubio recently told GQ. “I can tell you what recorded history says. I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that’s a dispute amongst theologians. Whether the Earth was created in seven days, or seven actual eras, I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that.”

But Rubio’s fellow Republicans think they have answered it, as evidenced by the fact that they [u[want schools to teach that humans and dinosaurs existed together. Republican-controlled state legislatures have been busy trying to pass bills forcing public schools from elementary to college to teach that the world was created 6,000-9,000 years ago.

Their cover for this is the necessity of "teaching both sides” of the debate-—though only one has scientific backing-—but Georgia Representative Paul Broun recently showed the right’s hand. “All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell,” he said during his (unopposed) run for reelection last year. “And it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”

7. It’s Only Science If Republicans Agree With It

In perhaps the most unintentionally revealing law ever written by a Republican on science, Texas Representative Lamar Smith recently proposed that all scientific knowledge get his okay first. Called the “High Quality Research Act,” Smith’s bill would require any research receiving federal funds to go through Smith’s Congressional Committee on Science, Space and Technology, all in the name of “accountability.” Accountability in this case means agreeing with Smith, a climate change denier who has no problem going after projects he, or his donors, disapprove of.

If the GOP had its way, this is how all science would work: no rising sea levels to worry about, and all the breast implants Congress can afford. http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/gop-science?page=0%2C0



We live in scary times...

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Sunday, June 23, 2013 7:56 AM

REAVERFAN


There's no fixing that kind of stupid. Vote the idiots out!

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Sunday, June 23, 2013 8:04 AM

NIKI2

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Amen. And then some!

Have I been missing it all these years, or is this sort of thing more prevalent nowadays?? I know there have always been crazies, but it seems like they've become more "main stream" of late...?


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Sunday, June 23, 2013 8:17 AM

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“American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains,” Christine O’Donnell told Bill O’Reilly in 2007.




Oh,My God! It's Pinky and the Brain... "So, whadda ya wanta do tonight, Brain?" "Same thing we do every night, Pinky... Try to take over the Republican party."

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Sunday, June 23, 2013 9:15 AM

NIKI2

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Well, given this stuff, seems to me they would have no problem! ;o)


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Monday, July 8, 2013 12:43 AM

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Escalation of Oil Spills, Why They’re Getting Worse in the US: Speeches Don't Matter, Actions Do
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/18071-escalation-of
-oil-spills-why-they-re-getting-worse-in-the-us

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Monday, July 8, 2013 2:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Nice confabulation there Niki.

But all fall well short of Sheila Jackson Lee's asking if the Mars Rover could go take a pic of the flag the Apollo astronauts left . On the MOON!

Or what of Major Owens, who said that centuries of slave traders dumping dead/ alive Africans overboard en route to America changed the feeding habits of sharks in the Atlantic ocean?

And let's not forget about Guam tipping over for having too many US troops on it! At least according to Hank Johnson ( no, he wasn't kidding )

Yes. Some elected officials are morons.



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Monday, July 8, 2013 3:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Don't forget the Texas congresswoman who claims that if a woman is raped, no abortion is warranted, because "they have rape kits where she can get cleaned out..."



And let's not forget Paul Broun, member of the House Science Committee:

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On September 27, 2012, in a speech at the Liberty Baptist Church Sportsman's Banquet, Broun stated that the sciences of embryology, evolution, and the Big Bang are "lies straight from the Pit of Hell ... lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior." This position is in support of his stance supporting Young Earth creationism. In the speech he also said that, "Earth is about 9,000 years old," that "it was created in six days as we know them," and that mainline Christian denominations are "going to send their people to hell".






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, July 8, 2013 3:37 AM

BYTEMITE


I have been saving an image for just such an occasion.



In fairness, when people slash and burn rainforests that releases a shit ton of CO2 into the atmosphere. So trees are a factor, but in the exact opposite way from what was cited. They're a CO2 sink, not a CO2 source.

Humans are chordates, so the central nervous system starts developing in earnest at about 3 weeks. I'm somewhat uneasy about declaring it nonfunctional at any stage of the process - kinda like when people did unregulated animal testing because the "science" said that animals can't feel pain, that's just anthropomorphizing them. There are far better arguments to use to justify women having choice than to focus on whether or not fetuses are a nonentity status. That's just letting the debate get caught in a gotcha trap.

I would also second the assertion that if it's a politician, there's a good bet that they're an idiot. At this point I almost suspect it's part of the requirements for the job - dumb people are easier for lobbyists to control.

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Monday, July 8, 2013 6:42 AM

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And let's not forget about Guam tipping over for having too many US troops on it! At least according to Hank Johnson ( no, he wasn't kidding )



Poor rappy, even calling himself a liar now.

You can just leave this conversation son, you have nothing to contribute, other than being a case-in-point.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, July 8, 2013 8:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Okay, Byte, BIG prize for the first, unexpected guffaw of the morning. That was GREAT, thank you!

As to
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I would also second the assertion that if it's a politician, there's a good bet that they're an idiot. At this point I almost suspect it's part of the requirements for the job - dumb people are easier for lobbyists to control.


I would agree, some of the time. Some of the time they say things I think they HAVE to know are stupid, but they say them for the sake of their base, which IS ignorant, and because ":dumb people are easier for" politicians to get to vote for them...

But the squid..."science quits"...that's priceless...I had to go back Twice and giggle at it again!


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Monday, July 8, 2013 11:21 AM

AURAPTOR

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And let's not forget about Guam tipping over for having too many US troops on it! At least according to Hank Johnson ( no, he wasn't kidding )



Poor rappy, even calling himself a liar now.

You can just leave this conversation son, you have nothing to contribute, other than being a case-in-point.



You keep using that word. It does not mean what you think it means.


* I guess you'd call Obama a liar too, for changing his view on gay marriage ? Same thing here. Looking at the known information, and 'evolving' to a different view than held before.


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Monday, July 8, 2013 12:30 PM

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Yeah, I've heard all these. So very sad. But here's a thought it gave me.

I've noticed that the Repubs tend to take anything that is effective against them and attempt to turn around and use it to help them. Even if it makes no damned sense. Prime example: In 2008 there was a ton of well-earned discussion of how W was the worst president ever. We all know what happened. His popularity tanked, his party got crushed, etc.

So the Repubs scratched their heads and figured: wow, that really worked! Let's try that too! Before O was barely in office they were already crying: "Worst President ever!" And they continue to say it over and over, though the evidence just isn't there. O is far from perfect, but the US in 2013 is hella improved over the US in 2008.

The evidence of how W sucked was all over the place. Hello - US in 2008 vs the US in 2000? Yep. It's all been posted here, so I won't get into it.

Point is: This reveals something about the way the Republican establishment thinks. They don't grok *evidence*. That whole scientific method of being guided by unfiltered and honest observations of reality just does not happen for them. Their "truth" is whatever will get them where they want to go.

There are decades of evidence of minority and poor voter suppression, so the Voting Rights Act was passed. Cons thought: A-ha! If you cry foul about elections, you can get laws that help you get your way! And so all the shouting about voter fraud and ID's. It doesn't matter to them that there is very little evidence of voter fraud.

Evidence/data is not the point to them. Getting their way is all that matters.

OK, all that might be pretty obvious to those of us who aren't brainwashed into worshiping a political faction. I just hadn't before connected Republican political maneuvers to their lack of capacity for science.

It really is all about evidence/data/observations/reality vs self-will-run-riot.

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Monday, July 8, 2013 12:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I find that extremely insightful.

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Monday, July 8, 2013 1:09 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Interesting, Mal4. That same dynamic can be seen on many other issues, as well. Just as an example, abortion. You might have a very good point.
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Their "truth" is whatever will get them where they want to go. ... Evidence/data is not the point to them. Getting their way is all that matters.


That certainly fits with what I've observed over time.


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Monday, July 8, 2013 5:30 PM

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I find that extremely insightful.



Thanks Kiki. :)

Niki - this reality/facts issue does seem to be a theme lately, doesn't it?

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Tuesday, July 9, 2013 12:53 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



The race baiters are always on the clock, 24/7.

Dallas County officials spar over ‘black hole’ comment

A special meeting about Dallas County traffic tickets turned tense and bizarre this afternoon.

County commissioners were discussing problems with the central collections office that is used to process traffic ticket payments and handle other paperwork normally done by the JP Courts.

Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections “has become a black hole” because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud “Excuse me!” He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a “white hole.”

That prompted Judge Thomas Jones, who is black, to demand an apology from Mayfield for his racially insensitive analogy.

Mayfield shot back that it was a figure of speech and a science term. A black hole, according to Webster’s, is perhaps “the invisible remains of a collapsed star, with an intense gravitational field from which neither light nor matter can escape.”


Other county officials quickly interceded to break it up and get the meeting back on track. TV news cameras were rolling, after all



http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/2008/07/dallas-county-meeting-turns
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Tuesday, July 9, 2013 3:58 AM

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Nice confabulation there Niki.

But all fall well short of Sheila Jackson Lee's asking if the Mars Rover could go take a pic of the flag the Apollo astronauts left . On the MOON!

Or what of Major Owens, who said that centuries of slave traders dumping dead/ alive Africans overboard en route to America changed the feeding habits of sharks in the Atlantic ocean?

And let's not forget about Guam tipping over for having too many US troops on it! At least according to Hank Johnson ( no, he wasn't kidding )

Yes. Some elected officials are morons.



Here is the difference. The Democrates are not trying to pass legislation based on what these people believe.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, July 9, 2013 4:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Nick, there is that...not to mention the fact that Rap has to do some digging to find dumb stuff, and go back quite a ways, whereas Republicans of one stripe or another seem to say them almost daily!

Jackson Lee: 2005
Owens: 2001
Johnson's JOKE: 2010 -- "The subtle humor of this obviously metaphorical reference to a ship capsizing illustrated my concern about the impact of the planned military buildup on this small tropical island,” he said in a statement. http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/united-states/guam-will-tip-over-and-c
apsize-comment-was-joke-said-rep-johnson-32624.html


We debunked that Johnson one long ago; apparently Rap has to really reach, and even repeat what's been put to rest, to try and make some kind of "point". He does this frequently, brings up things we put to rest as if we never discussed them. It's pretty sad.


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Tuesday, July 9, 2013 6:03 AM

AURAPTOR

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Nickerson - nonsense. They all do it. ObamaCare a good bill? It's beyond disastrous .
AGW ? A fairytale movement meant to punish wealthy nations & redistribute resources to poor nations under the guise of saving the planet. Same stupid , just different goals.

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Tuesday, July 9, 2013 6:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The difference between one kind of science-dumbness and another is not the frequency or the statements, it the process by which a person got to that statement.

A person may say something out of sheer ignorance... that is, untutored in a specific fact. For example, not knowing the number of miles between the earth and the sun.

A person may say something NOT out of factual ignorance, but by sheer rejection of hypotheses which have been so repeatedly tested that they have become facts. This would be rejection of the presence of a force called "gravity", rejection of the fact that the earth is round, rejection of evolution as an ongoing process (in favor of the bible), rejection of (demonstrated) global warming, rjection of the (demonstrable) increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide (alss demonstrated as a greenhouse gas) as being a large part of the cause.

Ignorance can be cured by education, but willful blindness can't be cured by anything. One should always question dogma, but at some point one should also listen to the evidence. A lot of repubicans fail that second part.


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Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Bingo Sig.


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Tuesday, July 9, 2013 10:49 AM

AURAPTOR

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Grown ups who think islands can flip over, or that the flag the Apollo astronauts planted can be viewed from a Mars rover...that's a sort of stupid that runs deep.

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Tuesday, July 9, 2013 1:16 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


But of course, the stuff in the initial article, and the attempts to pass LAWS about it, isn't a sort of stupid that runs deep...


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Tuesday, July 9, 2013 1:28 PM

AURAPTOR

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But of course, the stuff in the initial article, and the attempts to pass LAWS about it, isn't a sort of stupid that runs deep...






Now that's just stupid talk

*grin*

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Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:07 PM

OONJERAH


Fun

Top 10 Ridiculously Common Science Myths

http://listverse.com/2009/04/08/top-10-ridiculously-common-science-myt
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A man's gotta know his Facts.

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Thursday, July 11, 2013 1:02 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Fun

Top 10 Ridiculously Common Science Myths

http://listverse.com/2009/04/08/top-10-ridiculously-common-science-myt
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A man's gotta know his Facts.



Brain cells not growing back is one that was drilled into the minds of teens in health class, and was widely disseminated. Smoke weed, drink too much, you'll kill off brain cells that never grow back. Of course, this was coupled w/ ANOTHER myth, that humans only use 10% of their brains, so drink up! You've got 90% of your brain that you're not using anyways, so you've got plenty to spare!



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Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Now that's just stupid talk



Cute.

*grin*


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