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Supreme Court issues 5-4 ruling rejecting DOMA !!!

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Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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10:08 a.m. ET] From our team in Washington:
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The Supreme Court has struck down a key provision of the Defense of Marriage Act, ruling that same-sex spouses legally married in a state may receive federal benefits.




Holy shit, THEY DID IT!!! They STRUCK DOWN DOMA!!
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Updated at 10:38 a.m. ET] It sounds like we'll be looking into these rulings for a while – Jeffrey Toobin just said the Proposition 8 case was "a puzzling decision."

[Updated at 10:35 a.m. ET] Same-sex marriage can resume in California - that's the result of the Supreme Court ruling just in that dismisses an appeal regarding California's Proposition 8.

From our colleague Bill Mears:

The Supreme Court has dismissed a closely-watched appeal over same-sex marriage on jurisdictional grounds, ruling Wednesday private parties do not have "standing" to defend California's voter-approved ballot measure barring gay and lesbians couples from state-sanctioned wedlock. The ruling permits same-sex couples in California to legally marry. The 5-4 decision avoids for now a sweeping conclusion on whether same-sex marriage is a constitutionally-protected "equal protection" right that would apply to all states. The case is Hollingsworth v. Perry (12-144).

[Updated at 10:30 a.m. ET] New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman told CNN the ruling was a "great win." "“A great win not just for the gay community, it’s a great win for the American tradition of equal justice under the law,” he said.

[Updated at 10:29 a.m. ET] House Speaker John Boehner was just asked about the DOMA case, but he declined comment until he's read the ruling.

[Updated at 10:26 a.m. ET] The ruling on Proposition 8 - California's ban on same-sex marriage - is in.

[Updated at 10:23 a.m. ET] And yes, the president was watching. His Twitter account is calling the DOMA ruling "a historic step forward," though it's not signed with the "bo" that shows he wrote it.

Today's DOMA ruling is a historic step forward for #MarriageEquality. #LoveIsLove

Barack Obama (@BarackObama) June 26, 2013
[Updated at 10:22 a.m. ET] President Obama was going to be monitoring the rulings on Air Force One as he heads to Senegal, CNN's Jessica Yellin reports.

[Updated at 10:17 a.m. ET] Supporters of same-sex marriage waiting outside the Supreme Court cheered the DOMA decision. Reaction is also coming in from Twitter.

[Updated at 10:15 a.m. ET] Of course we can't draw any conclusions from the DOMA ruling about which way the justices will decide on California's Proposition 8.

[Updated at 10:12 a.m. ET] The justices were split 5-4. The majority ruling was written by Justice Anthony Kennedy. Dissents were written by Chief Justice John Roberts, Justice Antonin Scalia and Justice Samuel Alito.

[Updated at 10:09 a.m. ET] Legal expert Jeffrey Toobin puts the ruling in context: "DOMA is gone." http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/26/supreme-court/?hpt=hp_t1




Who'd-a thunk it of this Court?!? Certainly not me...I'm gob-smacked. Pundits were leaning toward them punting on Prop. 8, so that's nice but no big shocker. But DOMA!!!

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Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


On the plus side: Good news!

On the down side: Cheap liberalism. Getting rid of Clinton-era policies on gays (DADT, DOMA) - only affects 10% of the population, if that. It would be more meaningful if liberal policies extended to a significant number of people, like, say... everyone who uses a phone, everyone who would like to work full time at a living wage.

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Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Good luck with that. Me, I'm not holding my breath, and have learned just to be grateful for any lack of steps BACKWARD! ;o) And actual step FORWARD, like this, is worthy of celebration...


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Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:16 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Good luck with that. Me, I'm not holding my breath, and have learned just to be grateful for any lack of steps BACKWARD! ;o) And actual step FORWARD, like this, is worthy of celebration...




Yes, yes it is!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:19 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Good.

Although I'd rather have seen them declare bans on same-sex marriage unconstitutional nationwide.

Locally, theres a big service of thanksgiving for this at the Washington National Cathedral.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:49 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave

O'er the land of the free and the home of the gay?



The good news is that commodity futures for pillars of salt have dropped dramatically. Winthorpe!

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Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:30 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Good. Sodomites can now kill each other even faster with HIVD.

Thank Obama the NSA got those tapes of Chief Justice Roberts sodomizing his Log Cabin interns.

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Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:41 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Good.

Although I'd rather have seen them declare bans on same-sex marriage unconstitutional nationwide.




I got the impression they were trying to throw a bone to the "states' rights" contingent by leaving it open. Of course, if a gay couple legally married in New York moves to Utah where the state DOESN'T recognize their marriage, but the federal government DOES, that will open a whole new set of lawsuits challenging the state's right to do so. At that point, federal primacy will likely come to the fore and supersede the state's right to ban something legally recognized at the federal level.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:26 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I got the impression they were trying to throw a bone to the "states' rights" contingent by leaving it open. Of course, if a gay couple legally married in New York moves to Utah where the state DOESN'T recognize their marriage, but the federal government DOES, that will open a whole new set of lawsuits challenging the state's right to do so. At that point, federal primacy will likely come to the fore and supersede the state's right to ban something legally recognized at the federal level.



What's gonna be interesting to figure out - and probably the focus of another suit - is that some Federal benefits depend on where you were married, and some depend on where you reside. There's going to be a lot of scrambling at IRS and HHS to develop regulations that comprehensibly cover this new situation.

As an aside, same-sex couples who both earn about the same income may now be hit by the "marriage penalty".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_penalty

About time those deadbeats pay their share. (j/k)


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 3:54 AM

ROCKETJOCK


I note that the reaction of a number of right-wing politicos to the DOMA/Prop 8 decisions was to quote the Bible's shortest verse, IE, "Jesus Wept".

Amusing, as anyone familiar with the quote's context (John 11:35) would know that the tears in question were tears of joy at the upcoming resurrection of Lazarus. Tears of joy at a renewal of hope; seems appropriate to me, but maybe not in the way those quoting intended.

Why is it that the Bible thumpers can't read their own book?

"I do the job. And then I get paid"

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:16 AM

BYTEMITE


Because the thousand-ish page plus often leather bound door-stopper is thick enough to be used as a deadly smiting weapon against heathens. In the old days a bible was more expensive than a blade, and a symbol of privilege and wealth. Bedazzle the Jesus with gaudy gold and precious stone bling. Sheep skin was often used instead of paper, making them even heavier.

Also the most common version that exists today is translated in an near impenetrable form of English and prose that dates back to Shakespeare's time.

It is, however, somewhat alarming that nonbelievers often know more about the religion than believers do.

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Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Conservatives apparently aren't going to take this lying down.



http://freakoutnation.com/2013/06/27/true-story-anti-gay-groups-new-ga
y-logo-on-your-knees-for-america
/

This is an actual group headed by arch conservative Bryan Fischer, who admits to having "gay impulses".

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In one of the most unfortunate moves in American politics since Republicans kept referring to the Tea Party “teabagging,” the anti-gay Family Research Council, which has been officially designated a “hate group,” has come up with a rather odd campaign to fight the Supreme Court’s decision to strike down DOMA yesterday.

(Big hat tip to Chris Geidner who first tweeted the logo.)

FRC’s anti-gay campaign is titled “Call 2 Fall.” (Note the number “2″, done Internet-style – rather than being written out “two” – to attract the younguns.)

The anti-gay campaign’s slogan is “On our knees for America.”

And it’s accompanied by a logo that appears to be a man performing oral sex.




No sir, they are not going to take this lying down. They are going to suck it up and fall to their knees in anticipation of some kind of second coming, it seems.


If Jesus is coming, somebody better grab him a towel!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, June 28, 2013 7:33 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Of course not, they'll just mainline another rewritten version of DOMA through again, and again, and again - keeping those they want pinned down on the back foot at all times with a barrage of legislation and forcing them to waste ridiculous amounts of time, effort and resources just to prevent being buried in it - and while everyone else was watching THAT, TexASS went and shit all over voting rights while no one was looking.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/17231-he-can-marry-she-cant-vote
-another-day-in-deranged-america


Then again, I'd be a lot more interested and motivated to assist, were it not for the fact that by their own admission, the greater bulk of the factions on the back foot don't want equality so much as they want the whip of oppression in THEIR hand, directed at someone ELSE, which IMHO advances the human cause not one whit, because as long as you reduce Government to a weapon sitting in the middle of the table with factions fighting over who gets to point it at who, all you will ever get is a game of musical chairs, and progress be damned.

Better to ask the question - by what right, what authority, do you dictate my life, my actions to me... and if the answer is naught more than superior force, one might question then the wisdom of fueling that fire, hoping to someday use it against others in the same fashion - or engage in the cognitive contortions of the GOP who by way of knocking needful shackles off the Government now wind up hoisted on their own bitter pike.

But far, far more useful, is to condemn the notion of even WANTING to dictate the actions of others, to run their lives for them from behind threat of force and fear, to finally acknowledge that even the desire to do such is a form of mental illness, and to engage in it a sickness.

Alas, for THAT, one would have to give up the notion of MAKING other people do what THEY want, and I don't see that happening around here, sooo...

Hack the branches all you want, if you are helping water the root, it makes no bloody difference.

-Frem

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Friday, June 28, 2013 8:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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TexASS went and shit all over voting rights while no one was looking.
Liberals tend to be pretty short-sighted. I look at it as being caused by their desire not to have to deal with conflict. So horray for the ruling, but ...

It will all be undone when people are redistricted and gerrymandered and ID'd out of their right to vote, even more so than already. (Democrats won the majority of the popular vote for the House, but Republicans got the seats, thanks to effective gerrymandering on the part of state legislatures.)

If I'd had my 'druthers, I would simply have placed ALL of the USA under the Voting Rights Act and be done with it. Our voting system is a fustercluck, rigged to do exactly opposite of what it was created for. It's time everyone recognized that fact.

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Friday, June 28, 2013 10:10 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fbert-ernies-yorker-cover-picture-perfect-symbol-gay-142724671.html%3B_ylt%3DAwrNUPwozc1RI0cABAD_wgt.&size=21KB&name=%3Cb%3EBert+%3C%2Fb%3Eand+Ernie

Test. Let's see if this link works.

EDIT- No it doesn't. Never mind.
If you're interested google " Bert & Ernie Newyorker"

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Friday, June 28, 2013 2:37 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thank you, Rocket; I didn't know that. Makes it strange; do THEY not know that, or do they not care and are only concerned with the wording? Weird...


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Friday, June 28, 2013 7:58 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Thank you, Rocket; I didn't know that. Makes it strange; do THEY not know that, or do they not care and are only concerned with the wording? Weird...





Lots and lots of them are just plain idiots.

Here's one example:



He wants to live his life by Leviticus, but seems to have conveniently forgotten what Leviticus 19:28 has to say:

"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."


Texas is a bit overrun by morons and dolts like this. They'll tell you on the one hand that their holy babble holds that homosexuality is "an abomination", and then tell you that the Old Testament bans on wearing clothes of different fibers, or eating shellfish, or touching the skin of a pig (football, anyone?), or shaving or cutting your hair, or having piercings or tattoos, are all "abominations" that put one on the exact same level of doomed as homosexuality.

Heck, if you're a baptist, you can't dance or you might as well be gay. In fact, baptists don't even fuck standing up, for fear someone will see them and think they're dancing!

Jews don't recognize Jesus as the son of god.
Muslims don't recognize Jews as equals.
Protestants don't recognize the pope as the head of the church.
And baptists don't recognize each other at Hooters.

Those are the four great religious truths.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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