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Ground zero mosque opened to public Wednesday

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Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:05 AM

NIKI2

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An Islamic cultural center near the site of the terrorist attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center held its first exhibit Wednesday evening without incident.

As a small orchestra played traditional Middle Eastern instruments, people crowded into the center, where a photo exhibit of New York children of different ethnicities lined the walls.

Sharif El-Gamal, the center's developer, said the biggest error on the project was not involving the families of 9/11 victims from the start.

"We made incredible mistakes," El-Gamal told The Associated Press in an earlier interview at his Manhattan office.

The building at 51 Park Place, two blocks from the World Trade Center site, includes a Muslim prayer space that has been open for two years. El-Gamal said the overall center is modeled after the Jewish Community Center on Manhattan's Upper West Side, where he lives.

"I wanted my daughter to learn how to swim, so I took her to the JCC," said the Brooklyn-born Muslim. "And when I walked in, I said, 'Wow. This is great.'"

The project has drawn criticism from opponents who say they don't want a mosque near the site of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The center is open to all faiths and will include a 9/11 memorial, El-Gamal said. He called opposition to the center — which prompted one of the most virulent national discussions about Islam and freedom of speech and religion since Sept. 11 — part of a "campaign against Muslims."

Last year, street clashes in view of the trade center site pitted supporters against opponents of the center.

When the center was first envisioned several years ago, activist Daisy Khan and her husband, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, played a major, vocal role. But they soon left the project because of differences with the developer.

El-Gamal confirmed Wednesday that they parted ways because "we had a different vision." He declined to elaborate.

The couple said they had discussed plans for Park51, as the center is known, with relatives of 9/11 victims, first responders and others, including the possibility that it could become a multifaith center focusing on religious conflict. But El-Gamal wishes victims' families had been involved earlier — before the center became a point of contention.

"The biggest mistake we made was not to include 9/11 families," El-Gamal said, noting that the center's advisory board now includes at least one 9/11 family member.

At first, "we didn't understand that we had a responsibility to discuss our private project with family members that lost loved ones," he said, and they did not "really connect" with community leaders and activists.

But today, "we're very committed to having them involved in our project. ... We're really listening," he said.

Pointing to the inclusivity of a center that critics feared would be polarizing, El-Gamal noted that the featured photographer in the "NYChildren" exhibit is Danny Goldfield, who is Jewish.

The Brooklyn photographer was inspired to create the exhibit by the story of Rana Sodhi, a Sikh who emigrated from India and settled in Arizona. His brother Balbir was killed in a retaliatory hate crime four days after Sept. 11.

Sodhi made the trip to New York for the opening and wore a tie decorated with heart-shaped American flags. He still runs the gas station where his brother was killed.

"My heart is so warm when I hear Danny is doing this exhibition in Park51," Sodhi said.

Goldfield said he has photographed children with roots in 169 countries since 2004. He hopes to find subjects representing 24 other countries to complete the project. Some of the photographs had been exhibited elsewhere, but the opening marked the first time all were shown together.

He said there was a synergy between the themes and spirit of his project and those of the center, particularly with regard to community participation and openness.

"They want to build a center for everyone that's represented on the walls here," he said.

Recalling the controversy over the center, he said he didn't want to pass judgment on its opponents. But he said he'd like them to see the show "more than anyone."

Afsana Khundkar, a native of Afghanistan whose 12-year-old son, Waseem, was one of the children photographed for the exhibit, said her family was honored to participate in the project.

"It's promoting good things in the world," she said. "The most important thing is to involve the children in the good things."

The space had been cleared out and the walls painted a stark white for the exhibit. The renovations were funded with $70,000 raised on the website Kickstarter. The modest first-floor space is intended to function as a temporary center until groundbreaking on an entirely new building.

El-Gamal told the AP that fundraising is under way to complete a 15-story building that will also include an auditorium, educational programs, a pool, a restaurant and culinary school, child care services, a sports facility, a wellness center and artist studios.

The mosque is especially needed in lower Manhattan, he said, because thousands of Muslims either work or live in the neighborhood, "and in our religion, we must pray five times a day."

At the opening, an ebullient El-Gamal told reporters the project had been framed by others throughout the debate over its existence.

"Today, for the first time, everyone gets a little bit of a glimpse into the future of what Park51 is going to offer New York," he said. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0922/Ground-zero-m
osque-opened-to-public-Wednesday



Everybody ready for the furor, the death threats, the controversy that will no doubt now rage (over something virtually everyone's forgotten about for how long) now that the news is out?

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Tuesday, August 6, 2013 9:44 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Let hope we don't see any of that.

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Tuesday, August 6, 2013 11:14 AM

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Everybody ready for the furor, the death threats, the controversy that will no doubt now rage (over something virtually everyone's forgotten about for how long) now that the news is out?



And how disappointed you will be if that doesn't happen.

Sheesh.


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Tuesday, August 6, 2013 11:39 AM

AURAPTOR

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Rage and mindless hate are what Muslim radicals do best.

NYC voted for this abomination, so let them deal w/ it.

Pathetic. Islam is spiking the football on the graves of 3000 Americans.

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Tuesday, August 6, 2013 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rage and mindless hate are what Muslim radicals do best.




Says the douche who hates the most. Though, I guess he is the local expert on mindless hate.




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Tuesday, August 6, 2013 12:08 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rage and mindless hate are what Muslim radicals do best.




Says the douche who hates the most. Though, I guess he is the local expert on mindless hate.



Actually, my " hate " is very mindful. I don't care for those who slice heads off " infidels ", fly airliners into buildings, shoot up fellow co-workers, blow up children, in the name of a non-existent god.



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Tuesday, August 6, 2013 6:06 PM

NIKI2

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Gawd, the mentality. I will be abso-fucking-lootely THRILLED if people use their brains and the cultural center is allowed to go on it's way normally; anyone who thinks otherwise is just an asshole.

And according to Rap's description, he only "hates" a tiny portion of Muslim extremists, which is why he goes on about it endlessly and writes all the things he does about the entire Muslim faith.

Amazing, aren't they?


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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 12:17 AM

AURAPTOR

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Niki - your ignorance knows no limits.

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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 2:39 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rage and mindless hate are what Muslim radicals do best.

NYC voted for this abomination, so let them deal w/ it.

Pathetic. Islam is spiking the football on the graves of 3000 Americans.



Funny that NYC, the city which watched it's own killed on 911, don't think this is spiking the football, but somehow you do.

...no it's not funny, your hate is sad.

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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:21 AM

AURAPTOR

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Most do, save for the panzy ass, PC leftists on the zoning board which allowed this trophy mosque to be built.

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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:29 AM

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Nick, you're buying into his game. Just reminding you. ;o) Personally, I think it's great New York has gotten on with its life, residents have gained a new and useful addition to their city, and hopefully common sense has asserted itself. I think it's a hopeful sign.

Besides, remember Rap only hates terrorists, not all Muslims...


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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:41 AM

AURAPTOR

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They're @ war with us, and are spiking the ball , whether we admit it or not.

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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 5:16 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rage and mindless hate are what Muslim radicals do best.




Says the douche who hates the most. Though, I guess he is the local expert on mindless hate.




I object! I have at least some claim to that title, and I would argue that my mindless hate is more focused and therefore stronger.

It's the difference between AURaptor's little sprinkler of hate versus my firehose. One gets a little hate everywhere, but not always evenly or consistently, whereas mine can knock down a gorramn wall.

On one hand, I *can* see the unfortunate implications, like if some Israelis knocked over the wailing wall to build a new synagogue (even though the wailing wall is sacred to them too? Just GO with it). But on the other hand, these Muslims have no relation to the guys who did the initial damage.

And on the other FOOT, I'm not sure why I should care about any of this because I'm not at all religious. Even presuming that the unfortunate implications are in fact the MOTIVE, I could not give any cares about which religious football team gets a homerun and their silly dances around the goal nets. Heck, this time around no one even died, and that seems like an enormous improvement.


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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 6:22 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
They're @ war with us, and are spiking the ball , whether we admit it or not.



The folks who built that center are not a war with us you moron.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 7:46 AM

NIKI2

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Oh, damn, I knew I should have saved it...the post Rap put up just in the past couple of days where he said he "only" hates people who fly planes into buildings, etc., etc. It was so beautifully self-revealing, contrasted with posts like this, where he shows his belief that ALL Muslims are "at war" with us, even those who simply put up a cultural center for everyone of every faith to enjoy.

Wish I could find it again...but it's not worth the time it would take, especially since we all know the truth anyway.


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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:48 AM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
They're @ war with us, and are spiking the ball , whether we admit it or not.



The folks who built that center are not a war with us you moron.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Yeah, they are.

And while they likely didn't clap their hands with joy and toss candy into the air for the happy children on 9/11, they'll gladly take the opportunity to put a trophy mosque @ the site of the biggest Islamic victory vs the West since the fall of Constantinople.

Make no mistake. Islam seeks to bring the entire world under its dominion and bind us all. Some are going about it in a violent, more direct method, while others are content to take things a bit slower. The end result, however, is the same.

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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 12:28 PM

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So, he doesn't hate all Muslims, just the radicals. But to him, they're all radicals.

Yet he does not see the logical progression, and claims he doesn't hate all Muslims.

Rappy in a sad little nutshell.




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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:11 PM

NIKI2

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"Rappy in a sad little nutshell."

Yup, ALL of Islam is out to get us. ALL Muslims; some are just doing it more quietly. At least he's finally out in the open about it; his remarks have been saved for posterity, for the next time he claims he doesn't hate all Muslims, etc. I'm glad he's finally admitted it.




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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:46 PM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
They're @ war with us, and are spiking the ball , whether we admit it or not.



The folks who built that center are not a war with us you moron.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Yeah, they are.

And while they likely didn't clap their hands with joy and toss candy into the air for the happy children on 9/11, they'll gladly take the opportunity to put a trophy mosque @ the site of the biggest Islamic victory vs the West since the fall of Constantinople.

Make no mistake. Islam seeks to bring the entire world under its dominion and bind us all. Some are going about it in a violent, more direct method, while others are content to take things a bit slower. The end result, however, is the same.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall



Yup, so you were lying when you said you don't hate all Muslims.

Oh, and guess what, there are American Muslims. Some of them have served this country and done more for it than you ever will.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 4:27 PM

AURAPTOR

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Niki - finally? I've been saying the same thing since day 1 here. You just keep hearing only what you want .

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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 5:15 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
They're @ war with us, and are spiking the ball , whether we admit it or not.



The folks who built that center are not a war with us you moron.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Yeah, they are.

And while they likely didn't clap their hands with joy and toss candy into the air for the happy children on 9/11, they'll gladly take the opportunity to put a trophy mosque @ the site of the biggest Islamic victory vs the West since the fall of Constantinople.

Make no mistake. Islam seeks to bring the entire world under its dominion and bind us all. Some are going about it in a violent, more direct method, while others are content to take things a bit slower. The end result, however, is the same.



On par with calling women who want birth control covered by their medical insurance 'whores'.

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Wednesday, August 7, 2013 8:39 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Make no mistake. Islam seeks to bring the entire world under its dominion and bind us all. Some are going about it in a violent, more direct method, while others are content to take things a bit slower. The end result, however, is the same.



On par with calling women who want birth control covered by their medical insurance 'whores'.




Rappy's BS makes just as much sense if you remove the word "Islam" and replace it with the words "The tea party".

Just noting that.



And if they're "spiking the ball" by building a community center, then good for them. It's not their fault that your stupid hero Dubya was fool enough to go chasing after ghosts and squandering trillions of dollars doing it. You dipshits on the right got suckered, and you were too stupid to realize it, and Muslims probably should do some celebrating for handing you your ass so decisively.

Man, it must really burn to have to be reminded of what a fuck-up you are, and what fuck-ups those you support are. That's really gotta sting. You got it stuffed in your face by a bunch of Muslims; how's that taste?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:17 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Kwicko:


Rappy's BS makes just as much sense if you remove the word "Islam" and replace it with the words "The tea party".

Just noting that.



Yeah? And if you put wings on pigs, they could fly. OR, perhaps,if you put a brain in Kwickie, he'd be able to think ? Naw.

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And if they're "spiking the ball" by building a community center, then good for them. It's not their fault that your stupid hero Dubya was fool enough to go chasing after ghosts and squandering trillions of dollars doing it. You dipshits on the right got suckered, and you were too stupid to realize it, and Muslims probably should do some celebrating for handing you your ass so decisively.

Man, it must really burn to have to be reminded of what a fuck-up you are, and what fuck-ups those you support are. That's really gotta sting. You got it stuffed in your face by a bunch of Muslims; how's that taste?



Good for them ? 3000 Americans died on 9-11, and that's what you say ?

Kwickie's hate filled, deranged " America had it comin " tirade, preserved for all to see.

Wow.

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 5:37 AM

NIKI2

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Nope, while I don't agree with it, it doesn't hold a CANDLE to your xenophobic, hate-filled, deranged obsession with Muslims, especially since you JUST DENIED hating all Muslims. Damn, I've got to find that thread...tho' you've probably edited it to delete your lying statement by now.

Mike, you're my go-to man for searches, can YOU find it?


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 5:52 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


Rappy's BS makes just as much sense if you remove the word "Islam" and replace it with the words "The tea party"

Just noting that.



Yeah? And if you put wings on pigs, they could fly. OR, perhaps,if you put a brain in Kwickie, he'd be able to think ? Naw.

Quote:


And if they're "spiking the ball" by building a community center, then good for them. It's not their fault that your stupid hero Dubya was fool enough to go chasing after ghosts and squandering trillions of dollars doing it. You dipshits on the right got suckered, and you were too stupid to realize it, and Muslims probably should do some celebrating for handing you your ass so decisively.

Man, it must really burn to have to be reminded of what a fuck-up you are, and what fuck-ups those you support are. That's really gotta sting. You got it stuffed in your face by a bunch of Muslims; how's that taste?



Good for them ? 3000 Americans died on 9-11, and that's what you say ?

Kwickie's hate filled, deranged " America had it comin " tirade, preserved for all to see.

Wow.



You seem to really enjoy proving how poor your reading comprehension skills are. Thanks for that.




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Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:01 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Nope, while I don't agree with it, it doesn't hold a CANDLE to your xenophobic, hate-filled, deranged obsession with Muslims, especially since you JUST DENIED hating all Muslims. Damn, I've got to find that thread...tho' you've probably edited it to delete your lying statement by now.

Mike, you're my go-to man for searches, can YOU find it?




Never did I say, imply , state that I hated " ALL " Muslims .

Check your readings skills, niki.



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Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:19 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Nope, while I don't agree with it, it doesn't hold a CANDLE to your xenophobic, hate-filled, deranged obsession with Muslims, especially since you JUST DENIED hating all Muslims. Damn, I've got to find that thread...tho' you've probably edited it to delete your lying statement by now.

Mike, you're my go-to man for searches, can YOU find it?




Never did I say, imply , state that I hated " ALL " Muslims .

Check your readings skills, niki.





Amazing. The stupidity the raptard displays is epic in scale.




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Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:40 AM

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And more empty, baseless name calling from the Saul Alinsky minions, incapable of discussing - anything.

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:28 AM

NIKI2

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Well, there you go. He's made himself quite clear in this very thread quite nicely.
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Make no mistake. Islam seeks to bring the entire world under its dominion and bind us all. Some are going about it in a violent, more direct method, while others are content to take things a bit slower. The end result, however, is the same.

Quote:

Never did I say, imply , state that I hated " ALL " Muslims.

So not ALL Muslims are part of Islam, is that what he's trying to say? If so, he failed miserably. His hateful, obsessive xenophobia is clear for all to see, and still he denies it.


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Rap thinks like Huckabee...wasn't he one of their Presidential nominees at some point?
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Conservative radio host Mike Huckabee condemned alleged Muslim violence following Ramadan as the actions of “uncorked animals” on his radio show recently: "So the Muslims will go to the mosque, and they will have their day of prayer, and they come out of there like uncorked animals, throwing rocks and burning cars…" http://www.mediaite.com/online/huckabee-goes-off-on-islams-murderous-m
ayhem-muslims-exit-mosques-like-uncorked-animals/



Peas in a pod.


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:18 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Well, there you go. He's made himself quite clear in this very thread quite nicely.
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Make no mistake. Islam seeks to bring the entire world under its dominion and bind us all. Some are going about it in a violent, more direct method, while others are content to take things a bit slower. The end result, however, is the same.

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Never did I say, imply , state that I hated " ALL " Muslims.

So not ALL Muslims are part of Islam, is that what he's trying to say? If so, he failed miserably. His hateful, obsessive xenophobia is clear for all to see, and still he denies it.




He's simply not capable of the honesty required to face his own words.

But look, he's busted out his tired old "Alinski" dodge - you always know he's backed into a corner when he starts spouting that particular brand of spoon-fed bullshit.

Who knows, that idiot is so entrenched in his moronic ideology, maybe he really does think that reposting his own words is some "radical"
tactic.

Or maybe he doesn't get that all Muslims are followers of Islam. Who can fathom what goes on in the brain of such a simpleton?


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 11:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Well, there you go. He's made himself quite clear in this very thread quite nicely.
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Make no mistake. Islam seeks to bring the entire world under its dominion and bind us all. Some are going about it in a violent, more direct method, while others are content to take things a bit slower. The end result, however, is the same.

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Never did I say, imply , state that I hated " ALL " Muslims.

So not ALL Muslims are part of Islam, is that what he's trying to say? If so, he failed miserably. His hateful, obsessive xenophobia is clear for all to see, and still he denies it.





Help us out and cite SPECIFICALLY where I said I * HATED * all Islam.

Please. All I did was honestly state the goals of most Muslims, as stated by THEM !

Again, your selective reading skills fail you.

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 12:40 PM

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Funny, you seem fine saying Libs "love" socialism/communism" whenever you feel, without anyone actually every saying it.

You *have* said you hate radical Muslims. You have also said all of Islam wants to murder the US, making them all radicals. How do you not get the simple, basic logical progression there.

Nevermind, it's you. You are incapable of grasping it. I should stop expecting better of you.




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Thursday, August 8, 2013 12:47 PM

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Quote:

You *have* said you hate radical Muslims. You have also said all of Islam wants to murder the US, making them all radicals. How do you not get the simple, basic logical progression there.



Oh, please do cite where I said ALL of Islam wants to murder the US.


Never mind. It's you. You'll just make up more shit I never said as an excuse to continue on w/ your mindless hate fest.

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:05 PM

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Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Gawd, he's really amazing. He can't even read HIS OWN WORDS!
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Make no mistake. Islam seeks to bring the entire world under its dominion and bind us all. Some are going about it in a violent, more direct method, while others are content to take things a bit slower. The end result, however, is the same.

NOWHERE there does it say "SOME of Islam". You wrote ISLAME SEEKS, period.

"Some" are violent, "others" are slower, but nowhere does it say there are any "others" who don't want to "bind us all". All Muslims are of the Islamic religion, ergo, all Muslims are either violent or content to wait for the "end result". It couldn't be clearer if you drew a picture.

The mere fact that you only recognize "Islam", not "some Muslims", and that you divide them into only two categories, those who are violent and those who are "content to take things slower", could not possibly exhibit more clearly that you view them as ONE body. You can keep complaining, contorting, dodging and everything else, but your statements stand for themselves. Give it up, already, you've made yourself perfectly clear, we can all read, we accept that you believe what you've written.

It's really funny as hell, that for someone who can make vast assumptions about what other people think and twist what they say to encompass an entire political group, i.e., "The Left", he can't see that he's done precisely the same thing for all of Islam, and insists that unless he flatly states verbatim that he hates all Muslims, he can't be held accountable. What a frighteningly maze-like, twisted way of thinking.


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
>Gawd, he's really amazing. He can't even read HIS OWN WORDS!



Nothing new there. Its been what, dozens of times at least that he's claimed not to have said something, and when his own words are quoted back, he either ignores them, denies them, or flees from the conversation?

Every damned time.

Maybe its his shoddy grasp of language. Maybe he doesn't even "get" what he writes himself. Who knows how the hateful zealot's mind works.




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Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:12 PM

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And no where did I say I " hate " Islam either.

Niki, do us all favor and go back to pretending to ignore me.

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:26 PM

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You do realize that one can express an emotion through behavior, and the other words they use, even if they avoid the specific word "hate," right?

Of course you don't.




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Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:11 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


No, wait, Mark, think about it. This means that nobody here on can be ASSUMED to believe ANYTHING unless they specifically state "I _____________". That's GREAT!

...I mean, it WOULD work that way, wouldn't it? He'd hold himself to the same standards as everyone else, right? He'd never again assume or accuse anyone unless they clearly stated...

...why do I get the feeling it wouldn't work that way? Hmmmm...


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Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You do realize that one can express an emotion through behavior, and the other words they use, even if they avoid the specific word "hate," right?

Of course you don't.



So, no. Nothing to back up that false claim, what so ever.


Got it.

Thanks for playing.

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Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You do realize that one can express an emotion through behavior, and the other words they use, even if they avoid the specific word "hate," right?

Of course you don't.



So, no. Nothing to back up that false claim, what so ever.


Got it.

Thanks for playing.



...Jesus. Pedantic doesn't even approach it...

Thanks for illustrating how completely the actual point of that post flew over your head.

Truly impressive.




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Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:01 PM

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So tell us Storybook, where will you be getting YOUR prayer rugs ?

Target ? ( get it ? See what I did there ? )

Bedouin , Bath and Beyond ?

Share!

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Friday, August 9, 2013 1:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

So tell us Storybook, where will you be getting YOUR prayer rugs ?

Target ? ( get it ? See what I did there ? )

Bedouin , Bath and Beyond ?

Share!




...but rememeber you don't hate all muslims...right?



I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, August 9, 2013 3:31 AM

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Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


This is my vote that we stop giving Rap fodder for his current "Goad Mode" game. He's TELLING you guys, right out front:

"Thanks for playing."

"So tell us Storybook, where will you be getting YOUR prayer rugs ?
Target ? ( get it ? See what I did there ? )"

I trained sea lions, dolphins and dogs with "Target"...if you don't get what he's doing, and that NOTHING you write will bring any kind of intelligent, adult response, just more of his game, then you're no smarter than them. Me, I'm not wasting any more time on someone who wants to behave like a spoiled baby. He's reverted to complete nonsensical trolling, nothing more.



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