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Thousands dead in the Phillipines, America says "Meh".

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:23 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Lets just pretend the rest of the world isn't there, and have another argument about Obamacare.

http://www.channel4.com/news/typhoon-philippines-death-toll-rises-haiy
an-guangdong

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:26 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Also, there's no such thing as global warming, and extreme weather events related to a warming earth aren't becoming more common. Nothing like burying your head to feel better!

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:39 PM

WHOZIT


Barry is bizzy playing his 150th round of golf.

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:58 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Also, there's no such thing as global warming, and extreme weather events related to a warming earth aren't becoming more common. Nothing like burying your head to feel better!



Meh.

Seriously, are you trying to blame this on the myth that is AGW ?

Storms are of nature! They happen on ALL planets which have an atmo. Look at Jupiter's Red Spot. Been raging for centuries.

The power and frequency of major storms has DECLINED in the past decade, not gotten worse. My god, you're as bad as the End Timer zealots, circa 1997.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:00 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


I just sent a donation to the American Red Cross for Phillipine aid.

OED? SignyM?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"The power and frequency of major storms has DECLINED in the past decade."

Where's Geezer DEMANDING a reference when you need him? Certainly not here, despite his claim to be neutral to everything but facts.

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:36 PM

MAL4PREZ


I watched the weather reports last week, and it was damned disheartening to know that people were then walking the Earth that were going to be dead soon. I mean, it was so clear that this storm meant business. It should be possible to get people to safety when we are so sure of the danger. We should at least be able to move aid and troops in before the storm hits, so there's not 3+ days of desperation before anyone can even get there.

But that never seems to happen. We're never prepared.

I wasn't really prepared. I thought it'd be in the dozens of dead, maybe hundreds. Not 10's of thousands. It's horrifying. I'm getting a fundraiser together at work.

*---------------------------------------*
The French Revolution would have never happened if Marie Antoinette had just given every peasant an iPhone.

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 6:22 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


KIKI
Well, to be fair, Geezer did post a thread about a paper supposedly showing that extreme weather events have stayed about the same. Unfortunately, I don't think he posted a link, so I was unable to look at HOW the author reached that conclusion.... what kind of data was included, what kind of data was excluded. (For example, I think the author noted that there were fewer cold spells and extreme blizzards. OF course, that isn't what's predicted for a climate-shifted world, so that's just dishonest data treatment.)

At the time, I said that I thought that we haven't yet seen the effects of the new jet stream activity (slower, with bigger north-to-south loops), and by the time I got around to looking up the topic, the thread had disappeared too far down to hunt for it.

So, before I post links on the topic, let me just say that I kinda like to look at the jet stream. I like to pull up the polar satellite images from time to time, and also when I look at the isobaric maps of the USA I like to guess where the jet stream is. (Meteorology is another casual hobby of mine, in addition to economics. That comes from having grown up in a wild-weather region. If I'd known there were such things as storm chasers, I would have been one!)

Been doing this for YEARS. In the past year or so, I've noticed that the jet stream has been doing something unusual- something I've really only seen a few times before: It's been dividing up into two streams- typically one over the norther USA and one over the southern. The two streams usually divide up west of the Rockies and meet up again east of the Mississippi.

Anyway, according to meteorologists, the reason why the flooding in CO was so biblical was because the storm was between these two tracks, and stalled for abut a week. Some meteorologists are saying that these slow-moving/ split jet streams will be responsible for some really wild weather.

Jet stream and Chinese heat wave and floods
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/08/08
/shanghai-sets-new-all-time-record-again-as-record-heat-bakes-eastern-china
/

Jet stream and wild weather
http://www.npr.org/2013/09/25/225754902/wild-weather-tied-to-unusual-j
et-stream-activity


Jet stream and Siberia
http://climatecrocks.com/2013/08/20/jetstream-strikes-again-in-siberia
-heatwave-flood-now-torrential-flooding
/

Jet stream and climate change- 270 mile move in 22 years
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/jet-stream-moved-northwar
ds-270-miles-in-22-years-climate-change-to-b


Weather Extremes Tied to Jet Stream Changes
http://www.wunderground.com/news/heat-wave-alaska-jet-stream-may-be-bl
ame-20130625#h2XPrBMaBpD6QfCE.99



MAL4
If we can't seem to get our shit together for stuff we CAN see barreling towards us like a freight train, I doubt we'll get our shit together for stuff that's further in the future.

GEEZER
I think OED would be insulted.

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 6:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


End result - no links in either thread and Geezer - well, he doesn't seem to mind. Just pointing out his double standard. Again.

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:06 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I don't get "America says 'Meh'"...

"U.S. offers aid, sends teams to help typhoon-ravaged Philippines", http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/09/world/asia/philippines-typhoon-us-assist
ance
/

"Red Cross Sends Support to Philippines for Typhoon Response", http://www.redcross.org/news/article/Red-Cross-Sends-Support-to-Philip
pines-for-Typhoon-Response


"U.S. Sends Marines to Help Philippines after Typhoon", http://www.onenewspage.us/n/Science/74w4f0y2b/Sends-Marines-to-Help-Ph
ilippines-after.htm


"Relief Effort Begins After Philippine Typhoon", http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/relief-efforts-begin-philippine-typ
hoon-20841715


There are tons of stories, and Americans are, as always, opening their pocket books to help. What exactly does he mean?

Oh, wait, does he mean that we're not talking about it here? Is that the criteria by which "America" is judged?


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Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:19 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Kiki, I don't know where Rap got his OPINION, because absent verifiable sources, it's not a FACT, but from what I've been reading, storms in some areas have been on the INCREASE, not decrease, this past century:
Quote:

About twice as many Atlantic hurricanes form each year on average than a century ago, according to a new statistical analysis of hurricanes and tropical storms in the north Atlantic. The study concludes that warmer sea surface temperatures (SSTs) and altered wind patterns associated with global climate change are fueling much of the increase. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070730092544.htm]


Quote:

There is observational evidence for an increase of intense tropical cyclone activity in the North Atlantic since about 1970, correlated with increases of tropical sea surface temperatures. http://www.usgcrp.gov/usgcrp/links/hurricanes.htm


There's no universal consensus, certainly, but I can't find anything to indicate that the power and frequency of storms has DEcreased...


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Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:52 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Lets just pretend the rest of the world isn't there, and have another argument about Obamacare.

http://www.channel4.com/news/typhoon-philippines-death-toll-rises-haiy
an-guangdong



And your first thought is to start a thread bashing Americans.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:56 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Lets just pretend the rest of the world isn't there...



You're right - we need to fix the world now that England is busy doing nothing. Good call.


Giving the world Russell Brand, Adele, and the Royal Baby is nothing?

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:08 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:

Barry is bizzy playing his 150th round of golf.



That's 30 rounds per year for him. I play about the same number of times. He was just here playing golf in So. Florida a few miles away. I would love to play 18 holes with him.

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:26 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Jongs are you married?

And if so, does your wife share your account...?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:12 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"The power and frequency of major storms has DECLINED in the past decade."



So have you contributed to aid for the Phillipines?

That's what this thread seems to be about.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:14 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


So. Any of you bleeding hearts pony up some money for the folks in the Phillipines? Or would you rather kvetch?

I got $100.00 in so far.

Anybody match it?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:26 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
So. Any of you bleeding hearts pony up some money for the folks in the Phillipines? Or would you rather kvetch?

I got $100.00 in so far.

Anybody match it?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."



Geezer - America doesn't care, and it's more important to try to disprove ANYTHING I say.

Aren't you following along ? Sheesh!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:42 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

... and it's more important to try to disprove ANYTHING I say.


"It isn't safe ..... for them!"

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:50 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Geezer - America doesn't care, and it's more important to try to disprove ANYTHING I say.

Aren't you following along ? Sheesh!



Prove 'em wrong.

Drop a few bucks.

https://www.redcross.org/donate/index.jsp?donateStep=2&itemId=prod
4650031



"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, November 10, 2013 11:13 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

... and it's more important to try to disprove ANYTHING I say.


"It isn't safe ..... for them!"



Loved that line, and the way River says it...

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, November 11, 2013 12:04 AM

FREMDFIRMA



The hell if imma piss money down into a hole of an org which has reduced relief to a business where getting the money out of you is the whole point and any actual relief is just an afterthought for PR purposes.

Eff the Red Cross, I've gone straight to ground level Philipino orgs which desperately need supplies, will have a list after rounds maybe.

-F

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Monday, November 11, 2013 2:12 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Here, in the four min I got to spare here.

More direct Red Cross support, on-site, prolly still keep most of it but some will get through and it's affect will be more immediate.
http://www.redcross.org.ph/donate

Also, ShelterBox, Mark is on the scene, and members are also headed for the next landfall in southeast asia, but they face the logistical issues of getting the aid to the site right now and could use some help.
http://www.shelterbox.org/

-F

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Monday, November 11, 2013 3:51 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


My point exactly, "old girl"

Give 'em hell Niki


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I don't get "America says 'Meh'"...

"U.S. offers aid, sends teams to help typhoon-ravaged Philippines", http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/09/world/asia/philippines-typhoon-us-assist
ance
/

"Red Cross Sends Support to Philippines for Typhoon Response", http://www.redcross.org/news/article/Red-Cross-Sends-Support-to-Philip
pines-for-Typhoon-Response


"U.S. Sends Marines to Help Philippines after Typhoon", http://www.onenewspage.us/n/Science/74w4f0y2b/Sends-Marines-to-Help-Ph
ilippines-after.htm


"Relief Effort Begins After Philippine Typhoon", http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/relief-efforts-begin-philippine-typ
hoon-20841715


There are tons of stories, and Americans are, as always, opening their pocket books to help. What exactly does he mean?

Oh, wait, does he mean that we're not talking about it here? Is that the criteria by which "America" is judged?



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Monday, November 11, 2013 3:52 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Tell me Frem, which one should I donate to?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Here, in the four min I got to spare here.

More direct Red Cross support, on-site, prolly still keep most of it but some will get through and it's affect will be more immediate.
http://www.redcross.org.ph/donate

Also, ShelterBox, Mark is on the scene, and members are also headed for the next landfall in southeast asia, but they face the logistical issues of getting the aid to the site right now and could use some help.
http://www.shelterbox.org/

-F


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Monday, November 11, 2013 6:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Geezer - America doesn't care, and it's more important to try to disprove ANYTHING I say.

Aren't you following along ? Sheesh!



Prove 'em wrong.

Drop a few bucks.

https://www.redcross.org/donate/index.jsp?donateStep=2&itemId=prod
4650031



"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."



I'm still down on the Red Cross for their 9-11 response, pleading for $ to aid in those attacks, but then admitting that $ raised was likely to be put into the general fund.

http://www.samaritanspurse.org/ instead.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, November 11, 2013 8:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Geezer, we automatically donate monthly to support two kids overseas and to Wounded Warrior Project, and send money to every major disaster. What's your point?

I still don't get the title of this thread, given America always mobilizes for disasters and sends aid. IS it just that we're not discussing it here on RWED?


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Monday, November 11, 2013 8:13 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Geezer, we automatically donate monthly to support two kids overseas and to Wounded Warrior Project, and send money to every major disaster. What's your point?

I still don't get the title of this thread, given America always mobilizes for disasters and sends aid. IS it just that we're not discussing it here on RWED?




My point is that OED and SignyM are snarking about America not caring about helping the folks in the Phillipines, while, as you noted, there's lots of folks in the U.S. helping. I'm challenging them to put their money where their mouths are. You do it. I do it. Where are they?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, November 11, 2013 11:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


GEEZER
Quote:

I'm saying that ... SignyM [is] snarking about America not caring about helping the folks in the Phillipines
Hmmm, the confusion must be on your end. I said no such thing. Please reread my posts, and then tell me what I DID say.

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Monday, November 11, 2013 12:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

I still don't get the title of this thread, given America always mobilizes for disasters and sends aid. IS it just that we're not discussing it here on RWED?




Me either. My GUESS is that it's a commentary on how the op saw the US media reacting to the storm.

A storm that hit a part of the world which is OFTEN hit with typhoons.

+ , it was the weekend? Idk .


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, November 11, 2013 12:38 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think this is very much like the coverage of the 2004 tsunami near Sumatra, which devastated Banda Aceh and other low-lying islands and killed almost 300,000 people. It was the day after Xmas, I believe, and the media was slow to pick up on it.

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Monday, November 11, 2013 12:52 PM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think this is very much like the coverage of the 2004 tsunami near Sumatra, which devastated Banda Aceh and other low-lying islands and killed almost 300,000 people. It was the day after Xmas, I believe, and the media was slow to pick up on it.



I remember how shocked I was, reading about this catastrophe and realizing it had happened days ago. I hadn't even watched the news for days. It was a horrific feeling.

In a way, it's ridiculous. Apart from providing money for aid there is nothing I can realistically do (and a few days later that money is still good), but in this day and age of instant information, not knowing right away about an awful humanitarian disaster feels like you didn't care enough about the people to know. Which is a stupid, nonsensical feeling, but it's there.

On the other hand, the earthquake/tsunami/Fukushima disaster in Japan in March 2011 just gave me unending nightmares and it might have been better for me, overall, not to stare at that footage on the news when it was fresh and constant.

And then there's the nightmare news that don't even have that glimmer of hope that after the initial disaster they'll be over soon. Hello, Syria, hello, Mediterranean refugee crisis.

I have to take the news in calibrated doses so they don't tip me over into burying my head in the sand of blissful ignorance.

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Monday, November 11, 2013 1:32 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"The power and frequency of major storms has DECLINED in the past decade."



So have you contributed to aid for the Phillipines?

That's what this thread seems to be about.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."



Beautiful - point out that once again doesn't demand sources from a right winger like the does the left (while claiming of course that he's non partisan) - and does he acknowledge this? No, he makes it a dick swinging contest.

"I don't have to be honest, cuz I spent!"




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, November 11, 2013 1:43 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"My GUESS is that it's a commentary on how the op saw the US media reacting to the storm." Then I guess I'm still confused, and OldE doesn't seem to want to answer the question. Because EVERY SINGLE NEWS WEBSITE I've gone to, it's the headline, and has several follow-up stories. I guess I'll never know what he meant.


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Monday, November 11, 2013 1:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


As I recall, original reports were that somewhat over 100 were dead (126?). But it was reported with the caveat that many areas were cut off from communication, so that numbers were expected to be much higher when people got access. Perhaps that's what OED meant. It was cautious, and non-sensationalized, reporting.

Signy - I think Geezer's post was a snark about you being OED, despite all your very specific posts about your SoCal garden (what, not English?), your family etc. Since I know you IRL, I find that wildly off-the-mark assumption about you to be lmaorotf funny. It tickles my funny bone every time.

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Monday, November 11, 2013 2:42 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GEEZER
Quote:

I'm saying that ... SignyM [is] snarking about America not caring about helping the folks in the Phillipines
Hmmm, the confusion must be on your end. I said no such thing. Please reread my posts, and then tell me what I DID say.



Sorry. You were snarking about something else totally off topic. That's much better, Right?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, November 11, 2013 3:14 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think this is very much like the coverage of the 2004 tsunami near Sumatra, which devastated Banda Aceh and other low-lying islands and killed almost 300,000 people. It was the day after Xmas, I believe, and the media was slow to pick up on it.



A couple of key differences... there was no warning of the '04 Tsunami. Typhoons, in contrast, give plenty of warning. Especially in places like the Philippines, where they can get hit by several there a year. None like this, of course. Still, you have a major storm coming, just like New Orleans, you get the hell out of there, as best you can.

ETA - I'm really tired, already , of hearing how this was ... 'the most powerful storm in the HISTORY of the EARTH !', or ' to ever make landfall ! '

How about a bit of honesty and accuracy in the reporting, huh folks ? Hello! 4.5 BILLION year old planet here... I'll bet, oh - EVERYTHING that there's been bigger, stronger storms.

How about we just say ' in human history ' ( which still isn't bloody likely) , or ' on record' ? Is that too damn much to ask ?

/rant

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, November 11, 2013 3:45 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Not so much on response at the moment, but I was doing a but of fly-by-wire with the telepresence rig helping GF rip the balloon ascender out of the minivan and get it prepped for transport - they were in California at the time and as I understand they're en route now.

If nothing else having an elevated observation platform and radio repeater for Motorola RDU-type radio units might be some small help to the situation, although I honestly advised them not to go as they have no damn bloody clue what they're getting into out there, and I am too old, too broken, to pilot the GT400 any more, and circumstances prevent me from leaving this area.

-Frem

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Monday, November 11, 2013 10:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

How about a bit of honesty and accuracy in the reporting, huh folks ? Hello! 4.5 BILLION year old planet here... I'll bet, oh - EVERYTHING that there's been bigger, stronger storms.
Maybe. But do you really want to live there?? COULD you really live there?

How's THIS for honesty?:

In the entire history of the species, humans have NEVER lived under such high CO2. We have NEVER seen what that is like.

Well, we're getting a taste of that now.

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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:12 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Geezer, we automatically donate monthly to support two kids overseas and to Wounded Warrior Project, and send money to every major disaster. What's your point?

I still don't get the title of this thread, given America always mobilizes for disasters and sends aid. IS it just that we're not discussing it here on RWED?





Pretty much. Sometimes you have to play Devil's advocate to provoke discussion outside the usual narrow field. I think it worked.

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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:06 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I don't think I'm particularly convinced, either. We're certainly not "America" here, our range of discussion is pretty much mostly political and has been since I got here, and mostly the only discussion it provoked was "say wha'???" If you'd WANTED to provoke a discussion, you could have discussed the event itself, the snark title made not sense whatsoever. It's not important in the greater scheme of things, just struck me as weird.

Someone thinks Sig is OED? Wow...that's equally weird to me. Trying to guess who's who here is a waste of time anyway.


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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:43 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Signy - I think Geezer's post was a snark about you being OED...



Interesting, in that I've never even considered that.

Maybe you should do a status check on your thinker.


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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:03 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

How about a bit of honesty and accuracy in the reporting, huh folks ? Hello! 4.5 BILLION year old planet here... I'll bet, oh - EVERYTHING that there's been bigger, stronger storms.
Maybe. But do you really want to live there?? COULD you really live there?

How's THIS for honesty?:

In the entire history of the species, humans have NEVER lived under such high CO2. We have NEVER seen what that is like.

Well, we're getting a taste of that now.



Different issue, entirely.

My comment was on honesty of reporting.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:22 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Actually, it looks like China is the nation saying "Meh".

Quote:

China has said it is sending $1.6m (£1m) to the Philippines to help with the aid effort following Typhoon Haiyan.

Beijing had been criticised for its initial pledge of $100,000 - a fraction of that committed by other major nations.

The offering from the world's second-largest economy, which came with another $100,000 from the Chinese Red Cross, prompted cries of protest from analysts and media in the West.

The Reuters news agency called it "relatively paltry"; Time Magazine described it as "measly" and "insulting".

True, China's initial donation paled beside the $20m given by the United States or the $10m pledged by Japan - or even the $2m donated by Indonesia.

But for all the global criticism, it didn't attract much attention at home. Most Beijing residents questioned about it said they hadn't heard about it and of those that had, only one thought the amount too small.

"It doesn't matter how much the donation is," one woman said, "it's the thought that counts."

The Chinese government hinted early on that there might be more money in the pipeline. But even its new pledge of $1.6m is dwarfed by the contributions of Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and others.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24938874


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Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, given the remark about "hadn't heard about it", it's not surprising. Not that China has ever paid much attention to cries from its citizenry, but censorship in media helps keep those things to a minimum. Actually rather surprised they upped it at all. What's that saying about the rich getting rich 'cuz they're cheap?


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Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"The power and frequency of major storms has DECLINED in the past decade."

Where's Geezer DEMANDING a reference when you need him? Certainly not here, despite his claim to be neutral to everything but facts.



* Apart from Typhoon Haiyan, which has devastated the Philippines, it's been an average year for tropical cyclones, the U.N. weather agency said Wednesday in its annual climate report.

The World Meteorological Organization counted 86 tropical storms so far this year, just three short of the annual average since 1981 . They were unevenly spread across the globe.

The Atlantic saw its quietest season since 1994 in terms of the intensity and duration of tropical storms, according to the WMO report, which was released as U.N. climate talks were ongoing in Warsaw. Of the 12 named storms only two — Humberto and Ingrid — reached hurricane strength. Both were Category 1 hurricanes, the lowest level.

* http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/haiyan-2013-storm-season-av
erage-20873239


**Around 19 tropical cyclones or storms enter the Philippine Area of Responsibility in a typical year and of these usually 6 to 9 make landfall...

The Philippines is the most-exposed large country in the world to tropical cyclones, and it has even affected settlement patterns in the northern islands; for example, the eastern coast of Luzon is very sparsely populated.


** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoons_in_the_Philippines

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:33 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


All your comments have merit (apart from the one about me being Signym), and I've taken them on board.
I misjudged the board and dropped the ball on this one big time, and for that I apologise to you all. I will try not to be so pre-judgemental in the future.

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