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Where they get their marching orders

POSTED BY: ELVISCHRIST
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Sunday, November 24, 2013 12:57 PM

ELVISCHRIST


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/11/21/us/politics/21republican
-talking-points.html?_r=0



You can see it right here on this board in the posts from Jongsstraw and AuRaptor. They react like trained seals right on cue.

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:16 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, I posted about that "Republican Playbook", but didn't have a link to the actual thing. Thanx for that...I couldn't read much of it, the bile was rising too fast in my throat.


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Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:17 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


But because THEY react like trained rats doesn't mean that WE should react like trained
terriers to their trained rats.

By all means, post facts to their lies if you want to, but...

Don't we have more strategic things to talk about?

For example, the Occupy Movement. Yeah, I know- you all think it's dead. But the Occupy Movement put the concept of the 99% front and center, and while the population here in the USA may be moribund, elsewhere

TURKEY


QUEBEC



BRAZIL


FOR A NUKE FREE GERMANY


GREECE



EGYPT


And this is just from 2013. People everywhere are getting the idea that this system isn't set up for them.

Also, we should seriously be discussing third party instead of the Dem-Repub tangles that we get distracted into. Yes, there are SOME good Dem reps, but the party as a whole has been captured by money. Did you know that Bernie Sanders might run for President?

C'mon guys, just bc they respond like trained rats doesn't mean we have to respond like trained monkeys.


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Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:26 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


You have no idea what you're talking about. I get my 'orders' from no one. Of course, the concept of marching orders is one which greatly appeals to the Statists on the Left. Those who long to live in a Julia's World utopia, where orders are broadcast from upon high, and then followed blindly by the myrmidon masses, like eager lemmings on the march.

You see the world not as it is, but as your mind allows you to see it.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:34 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Those who long to live in a Julia's World utopia, where orders are broadcast from upon high, and then followed blindly by the myrmidon masses, like eager lemmings on the march. You see the world not as it is, but as your mind allows you to see it.





Do you own a mirror?

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:39 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You have no idea what you're talking about. I get my 'orders' from no one. Of course, the concept of marching orders is one which greatly appeals to the Statists on the Left. Those who long to live in a Julia's World utopia, where orders are broadcast from upon high, and then followed blindly by the myrmidon masses, like eager lemmings on the march.

You see the world not as it is, but as your mind allows you to see it.



How funny it is you believe that. Listen to Fox, or Rush, or any other rightwing outlet and a day later, if that long, and you show up here saying the same things. You never bother to look at it further you simply take it as fact. Over and over again.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:




Do you own a mirror?






you have less than nothing on this issue.


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Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

How funny it is you believe that. Listen to Fox, or Rush, or any other rightwing outlet and a day later, if that long, and you show up here saying the same things. You never bother to look at it further you simply take it as fact. Over and over again.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



It's not a "belief" . It's called staying informed on matters and understanding what is being discussed. If person A independently thinks the same as person B, it's not automatically logical to conclude that A some how tells B how or what to think.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:36 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not a "belief" . It's called staying informed on matters and understanding what is being discussed. If person A independently thinks the same as person B, it's not automatically logical to conclude that A some how tells B how or what to think.



Your right, but in your situation is it clear you are not coming to these conclusions yourself. When ever something is presented that has not been covered the Rightwing echo chamber you flail like you have been thrown into water for the first time.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:42 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Your right, but in your situation is it clear you are not coming to these conclusions yourself. When ever something is presented that has not been covered the Rightwing echo chamber you flail like you have been thrown into water for the first time.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



You're simply wrong, on both counts. I am coming to these conclusions on my own, and I DO it all the freaking time.

Also, you confuse the 'Right wing ' with the ' GOP'. They are not the same.



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Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:48 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're simply wrong, on both counts. I am coming to these conclusions on my own, and I DO it all the freaking time.

Also, you confuse the 'Right wing ' with the ' GOP'. They are not the same.



Sure you are, just happens that you do after it's already a talking point.

The GOP is the political party of the Right, so they are very much the same.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:08 PM

ELVISCHRIST





He makes up his own mind just as soon as Rush and O'Reilly tell him what he's decided!

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:15 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Beautifully put, Sig, but I'm afraid it will fall on deaf ears here. People are too invested in sniping at one another.

For myself, I don't think a third party is viable...yet...nor do I believe one will come along in my lifetime, so I don't spend much time thinking about it.

Nonetheless, I fully appreciate what you wrote.


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Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:47 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Also, you confuse the 'Right wing ' with the ' GOP'. They are not the same.

See, AU, to ME America is not the center of the universe- it's just one of many countries with its various peoples. So when you say the GOP is not right wing, and I say it IS, I can take comfort that most of the rest of the WORLD agrees with me, and not you. That's our freedom here, you can believe what you want to without a mandate to be objective or to make sense. You can see things from a narrow perspective all you want to, and label that 'the big picture'.
I am in the center, mostly. Little left here, little right there, but mostly in the middle. You are DEFINITELY not center.

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 7:30 PM

WHOZIT


And the Democrats DON'T have a playbook? I'm going to have to pay more for my heathcare bennys next year, I have a pretty good plan thru my company, but I'm sure the Democrats think it sucks. The Republicans don't have to say much, all they have to say is, Obamacare sucks! But when over 100 million people either lose or have to pay more for their healthcare bennys the Republicans won't have to say much.

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 7:58 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
And the Democrats DON'T have a playbook?

Of COURSE they do. Democrats suck too. We are held hostage here. Between extreme right & stupid left.

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 8:56 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
And the Democrats DON'T have a playbook? I'm going to have to pay more for my heathcare bennys next year, I have a pretty good plan thru my company, but I'm sure the Democrats think it sucks. The Republicans don't have to say much, all they have to say is, Obamacare sucks! But when over 100 million people either lose or have to pay more for their healthcare bennys the Republicans won't have to say much.



You already know you are going to have to pay more? You mean health care costs go up?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 8:57 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Of COURSE they do. Democrats suck too. We are held hostage here. Between extreme right & stupid left.



We keep voting them in. We are tying our own bonds then.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:00 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

We keep voting them in. We are tying our own bonds then.


To quote Pris: "Then we're stupid & we'll die."

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Monday, November 25, 2013 11:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


You guys.

Niki too.

Put on your thinking caps. You don't have to "win" an election in order to influence it. If either party sees that your third-party candidate is pulling a significant number of votes, they'll modify their message. The best time to do this is during the primaries, when you can potentially bring in a more genuine representative over an a bought and paid for corporate-shill. VOTE THIRD PARTY.

When it comes to the final election, vote strategically. If your state/ Congressional District/ state legislative district/ city council is a lock either way, VOTE THIRD PARTY. Your vote won't change the outcome for the two major parties, but what it WILL do is increase the counted numbers for your third party- maybe it will go from 1% to 5%. At 5%, the two major parties sit up and take notice, I guarantee it.

Knowing how the leftish-of-centrists here feel about a number of major issues, out of the plethora of alternate parties on many tickets, I'd recommend the Green Party. They fielded a very credible candidate last Presidential election, whereas the Peace and Freedom Party fielded Roseanne Barr. FWIW I have nothing against Roseanne Barr as an actress and personality, but she's not a thoughtful candidate.

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Monday, November 25, 2013 11:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sig, I already do. When we know we're a "locked liberal" vote on something here, or in primaries, I vote third party or "candidate who won't win but a good showing might help down the road". In all the years I've been doing this, I have not seen a single thing change...so now I do it out of habit, but have no expectation. At this point I'm too old and have seen things continue going the WRONG way for too many years to have any hope...certainly any hope that anything will change in my lifetime.


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Monday, November 25, 2013 12:09 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You guys.

Niki too.

Put on your thinking caps. You don't have to "win" an election in order to influence it. If either party sees that your third-party candidate is pulling a significant number of votes, they'll modify their message. The best time to do this is during the primaries, when you can potentially bring in a more genuine representative over an a bought and paid for corporate-shill. VOTE THIRD PARTY.

When it comes to the final election, vote strategically. If your state/ Congressional District/ state legislative district/ city council is a lock either way, VOTE THIRD PARTY. Your vote won't change the outcome for the two major parties, but what it WILL do is increase the counted numbers for your third party- maybe it will go from 1% to 5%. At 5%, the two major parties sit up and take notice, I guarantee it.

Knowing how the leftish-of-centrists here feel about a number of major issues, out of the plethora of alternate parties on many tickets, I'd recommend the Green Party. They fielded a very credible candidate last Presidential election, whereas the Peace and Freedom Party fielded Roseanne Barr. FWIW I have nothing against Roseanne Barr as an actress and personality, but she's not a thoughtful candidate.




Truth. That's why I voted Green.



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Monday, November 25, 2013 8:44 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Well, in THIS specific case, Siggy - we got proper representation, despite it being "democrat" in nature, cause we got Dingell the Dingbat.
He might be old and rickety and crochety, but he's old school blue collar democrat and be as it may, he *does* effectively represent the values of this geographic region quite well.

Or you could vote EOP (Evil Overlord Party), but would you really want ME in charge given my bent towards a Robespierrian purge ?

-F

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