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Marching orders ? Obama's got your marching orders, right here.

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Monday, November 25, 2013 5:06 PM

AURAPTOR

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Obama wants a seat at your Thanksgiving dinner


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America’s families will soon get their turkey, potatoes and cranberries at Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners — but some will also get a tableside political pitch for the Obamacare insurance network.

President Barack Obama’s deputies at Organizing for Action are urging supporters to give an Obamacare pitch to their relatives during the most iconic of American family and religious events.

“Take advantage of downtime after meals or between holiday activities to start your talk,” says OFA’s marketing script, titled “Health Care for the Holidays.”

At Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners, “people will be under the “misconception that the government-designed health-payment plans are too expensive,” says the presidential pitch, which was emailed out on Nov. 23.

“Tell them: There are a variety of plans available in the new health insurance marketplace, so you can pick one that fits your budget. There’s also financial assistance available based on how much you make,” says OFA’s script.

Obama’s effort to push his political priorities into Americans’ private family and religious events reflects his determination to take over the nation’s health-care sector.

Obama and his progressives allies believe that average Americans need their professional, university-learned and well-paid skills to manage their lives. That’s very different from Americans’ evolved popular culture, which declares that families are best able to help young people develop good character.

The progressives’ determination to gatecrash iconic family events reflects self-confidence in their own expertise, their long-held pity and contempt for ordinary Americans and for the institution of family, plus their ability to attract young people to their cause.

But it also shows how Obama and his deputies are worried that their trouble-plagued Obamacare network is in peril.

The online script tries to build up the confidence of young people nervous about making the dinner-table pitch. “If you have family members who are uninsured, you can play a big part in helping them find coverage that works for them. It might not always seem like it, but your family listens to you. So have the talk,” isays the pitch.

The pitch was previewed Nov. 18 by Sara El-Amine, OFA’s national training director at Organizing for Action. “We all have that uncle or that cousin who needs to be convinced or who needs health-insurance… so [OFA volunteers have begun to] practice those sometime-hard conversations,” she said in a phone call to OFA’s volunteers.

“If every person on this call committed to something small, like talking to your uninsured cousin or nephew at the Thanksgiving table, think about the impact we could have,” she said.

“We’re not going to be able to fight this fight without you,” she told the volunteers, who had gathered to hear a statement from their leader, Obama.

The online script glosses over the many problems with the Obamacare website. But it urges supporters to ask relatives to bring personal information, such as Social Security Numbers, to the dinner so they can use the family computer to join Obamacare after dessert.

The OFA script includes a short video, in which two drab parents urge their friendless young son to buy health-insurance, while they eat Obamacare-compliant small portions of drab food.

The script downplays the cost of Obamacare premiums and deductibles, which are especially high for young, healthy people.

The Obamacare system depends on the monthly Obamcare tax payments from young and healthy people, many of whom are already struggling to save money, get married, pay off student loans or even get a full-time job in stalled economy.

Young peoples’ Obamacare taxes are used to offset the huge cost of providing very expensive insurance to Democrat-leaning groups of immigrants, unskilled, unmarried or sick people.

Other regimes have used children to help government penetrate private family and religious events.

One extreme example is provided by the violent rulers of the Soviet Union, who urged the nation’s children to follow the fabricated example of 14 year-old Pavel Morozov. The boy, according to the official Soviet investigation of his death in 1932, was killed by relatives after he called the secret police to arrest his father for illegal activities. The father was shot after a trial, according to the fabricated story.

Four of his Morozov’s relatives were reputedly shot by the Soviet government to help boost the story, which was used to persuade millions of kids to be loyal to government rather than to their families.

Obama’s determination to pitch his Obamacare program is now tinged with desperation, following the public’s recognition that Obama’s university-trained aides spectacularly failed to manage a staged rollout of the Obamacare network, despite three years of planning.

In recent weeks, Obama’s ratings have plunged down to roughly 40 percent, following the public’s recognition that he lied when he said in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2103 that Americans would be able to keep their insurance plans and doctors after the Obamcare networks is established.

Many Americans’ access to their healthcare is being reduced by Obamacare’s crippled malfunctioning website, by large price spikes, by shrinking access to doctors and reduced marketplace choices.

GOP legislators are trying to develop a replacement system, that would provide large tax-breaks to help people to buy health-insurance from any qualified company in the nation. The GOP alternative would provide federal money to help sick people offset the cost of debilitating medical conditions, and allow them to keep their insurance when they lose or change jobs.



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Monday, November 25, 2013 5:09 PM

M52NICKERSON

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God forbid someone tried to convince a family member to get health insurance. The horror!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, November 25, 2013 5:47 PM

JONGSSTRAW


We're having 20 people over for Thanksgiving. Lots of food, drinks, fun, football, and kids. There's only one rule... no politics! Anyone breaking the rule gets a fork plunged into their skull ala The Walking Dead. I've got The Governor on speed dial.

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Monday, November 25, 2013 5:55 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
God forbid someone tried to convince a family member to get health insurance. The horror!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



I see you're one of the Obamabots too. Anything to allow Barry into your home, 24/7, huh?

Good grief.

Besides, Obama lied, about so many things,it's not even funny. Do you REALLY need to talk about O-care during Thanksgiving ? The collectivist mindset is truly a cancer.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, November 25, 2013 6:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, are you forbidding people from discussing things that might be of interest - even vital, life-saving interest - to them?

Do YOU want to give marching orders? Just curious.


As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.



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Monday, November 25, 2013 6:28 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, are you forbidding people from discussing things that might be of interest - even vital, life-saving interest - to them?

Do YOU want to give marching orders? Just curious.



I'm not giving anyone a script , am I ?

It's funny you try to spin it as it's somehow ME that's trying to control the people, when that's the M.O. of the collectivist Democrats.

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Monday, November 25, 2013 6:47 PM

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NO GROUNDS FOR CLAIM THAT OBAMACARE LOWERS HEALTHCARE COSTS




HARLES BLAHOUS | 11/25/2013

Public support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA) has plummeted now that the oft-repeated claim that “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it” is widely understood to be untrue. Despite previous assurances, millions of Americans are now grappling with ACA-triggered cancellations of their health insurance policies. Faced with public anger, ACA supporters are now turning to another argument to promote the law: that the ACA is already working to hold down health care cost growth. Unfortunately, some of these claims are just as groundless as the ones that misled so many Americans to believe they would be able to keep their previous coverage.

One particularly egregious example is White House advisor David Cutler’s op-ed published November 8 in the Washington Post, entitled, “The health care law’s success story: slowing down medical costs.” This piece contains the following paragraph:

“Before he was criticized for his statements about insurance continuity, President Obama was lambasted for his forecasts of cost savings. In 2007, Obama asserted that his health-care reform plan would save $2,500 per family relative to the trends at the time. The criticism was harsh; I know because I helped the then-senator make this forecast. Yet events have shown him to be right. Between early 2009 and now, the Office of the Actuaries at the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has lowered its forecast of medical spending in 2016 by 1 percentage point of GDP. In dollar terms, this is $2,500 for a family of four.”

To see why this is wrong, it is useful to break down this paragraph’s thesis into its component parts. Specifically, it claims that:

The President’s previous assertions that his “health-care reform plan” would “save $2,500 per family” have been “shown” “to be right,” and that;

This is proved by the fact that the CMS actuaries have lowered, between early 2009 and now, their forecast of medical spending in 2016 by $2,500 per family.

For this paragraph to be correct, the ACA must be the reason the CMS actuaries have lowered their 2016 health spending projections. That is flatly untrue.


http://www.economics21.org/commentary/no-grounds-claim-obamacare-lower
s-healthcare-costs


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Monday, November 25, 2013 6:56 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"I see you're one of the Obamabots too. Anything to allow Barry into your home, 24/7, huh? Good grief.

Do you REALLY need to talk about O-care during Thanksgiving ? The collectivist mindset is truly a cancer."

Is this not you claiming that people who discuss health care when they get together for T-day are merely Obama-bots following 'Marching orders'? Don't you think it might be a topic of interest for some people?


As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.


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Monday, November 25, 2013 10:13 PM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I see you're one of the Obamabots too. Anything to allow Barry into your home, 24/7, huh?

Good grief.

Besides, Obama lied, about so many things,it's not even funny. Do you REALLY need to talk about O-care during Thanksgiving ? The collectivist mindset is truly a cancer.



I will not be talking about it during thanksgiving. Simply because everyone in my family has health insurance.

However I fail to see how trying to help a family member that needs insurance would be a bad thing.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, November 25, 2013 10:20 PM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
NO GROUNDS FOR CLAIM THAT OBAMACARE LOWERS HEALTHCARE COSTS



Brought to you by the Manhattan Institute a Conservative Think Tank.

HAHA...try again.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:42 AM

SIGNYM

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I'm not giving anyone a script , am I ?
Yes, you are. You're telling people what they CAN'T talk about. Next thing you know, you'll be bellyaching about contraceptives being covered by insurance, 'cause women who need them are "slutty". Oh wait, you've already done that.

You say you're all about "freedom" but you NEVER look in the mirror, do you? *sigh*

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:57 AM

M52NICKERSON

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The biggest difference between this and the GOP taling point that are put out is the President is speaking to all Americans while the GOP memo's are a game plan on how to speak to Americans.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:45 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

I'm not giving anyone a script , am I ?
Yes, you are. You're telling people what they CAN'T talk about. Next thing you know, you'll be bellyaching about contraceptives being covered by insurance, 'cause women who need them are "slutty". Oh wait, you've already done that.

You say you're all about "freedom" but you NEVER look in the mirror, do you? *sigh*



Wow. You just gave the weakest reply ever.

I never told folks about what they CAN'T talk. Seriously, WHERE did I do that? And even in your little twisted world, other than HERE, how am I TELLING anyone what they can or can't do ?

And yes, responsible women should pay for their OWN contraception. Everyone should.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:46 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
The biggest difference between this and the GOP taling point that are put out is the President is speaking to all Americans while the GOP memo's are a game plan on how to speak to Americans.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



It's every bit as bad , who ever does it.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:52 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's every bit as bad , who ever does it.



Care to explain why?

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:31 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's every bit as bad , who ever does it.



Care to explain why?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



First of all, it's unprecedented. But to try to sell such an abysmal plan by trying to brain wash people into dragging in friends and family members, at a time where most of us are trying to get AWAY from the b.s. that is real life, is unconscionable. It's turning folks into Jehovah's Witnesses, but instead of going door to door pitching religion, they're already IN your home, preaching Govt. It's beyond creepy.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:44 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
First of all, it's unprecedented. But to try to sell such an abysmal plan by trying to brain wash people into dragging in friends and family members, at a time where most of us are trying to get AWAY from the b.s. that is real life, is unconscionable. It's turning folks into Jehovah's Witnesses, but instead of going door to door pitching religion, they're already IN your home, preaching Govt. It's beyond creepy.



Well for one if freinds and family members need health insurance they are going to have to go through the exchanges if they want any subsities.

As far as the pitch and being unprecedented it is much like FDR's fireside chats with people. Directly in to the home. Do you somehow think those did not get talking?

If you think this is brain washing you really must be weak minded.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:04 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:

Well for one if freinds and family members need health insurance they are going to have to go through the exchanges if they want any subsities.



Yeah, that's an entirely different topic. There's a whole lot of hurt coming down, much which wasn't told to voters and the US public about all this.

Quote:



As far as the pitch and being unprecedented it is much like FDR's fireside chats with people. Directly in to the home. Do you somehow think those did not get talking?



This is different, but yeah, FDR isn't a bad comparison. One of the worst this nation's ever had, in the destruction he did.


Quote:



If you think this is brain washing you really must be weak minded.




Actually, it's the opposite. If you DON'T see this for what it is, you're the weak one here. This isn't merely the President speaking on the radio. They're giving folks talking points and scripts to sell his plan, the one he lied about, to Americans. But not just Americans in general, but telling them to interject propaganda into what is a national holiday.

It's like how Obama wants to coop 9/11 with 'volunteering', and not make it about what it really was. Islamic radicals attacking this country.

He simply cannot help but use a crisis, or try to interject himself and his agenda into the American psyche. Never let a good crisis go to waste, right ?

Obama and his followers are among the very worst this nation has ever had to face.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"They're giving folks talking points and scripts to sell his plan ..."


Do you have the whole script? And not just two selected phrases posted in a questionable reicht-wing source. If not - are you just making shit up again when you claim to 'know' what they're doing? Or are you depending on your reicht-wing sources to make up your propaganda for you?


As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.


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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:06 PM

AURAPTOR

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( just making 'stuff' up )



" This holiday season, millions of Americans have a chance to get quality, affordable health insurance—many for the first time. If you have family members who are uninsured, you can play a big part in helping them find coverage that works for them. It might not always seem like it, but your family listens to you. So have the talk."



http://www.barackobama.com/health-care-holidays/


CONVERSATION TIPS

Start by asking: “Have you thought about signing up for health insurance on the new marketplace?”

Offer to walk them through it: “Would you like to take some time with me to sign up right now?”

Ask them to make a plan, and commit to it: “When do you plan on signing up?”

Don’t forget to follow up: “Have you signed up yet?”

WHAT’S IMPORTANT TO COMMUNICATE:

Being covered helps you stay healthy and protects you in an emergency.
You can find a plan that fits your budget—financial assistance is available for those who qualify.
You get to choose the plan that’s right for you.
All the health insurance plans on the new marketplace provide free preventive care—including routine checkups, vaccinations and screenings.
You can’t be denied insurance because of a preexisting condition, and lifetime limits are now banned, so your insurance will be there when you need it.
For your coverage to start January 1, you’ll need to sign up by December 23.
Open enrollment for plans in the marketplace is now through March, but getting started sooner is better.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:36 PM

M52NICKERSON

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, that's an entirely different topic. There's a whole lot of hurt coming down, much which wasn't told to voters and the US public about all this.



Yes, having health insurance is going to hurt people.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is different, but yeah, FDR isn't a bad comparison. One of the worst this nation's ever had, in the destruction he did.



Again you travel to an alternate reality. FDR was so bad he was elected three times.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, it's the opposite. If you DON'T see this for what it is, you're the weak one here. This isn't merely the President speaking on the radio. They're giving folks talking points and scripts to sell his plan, the one he lied about, to Americans. But not just Americans in general, but telling them to interject propaganda into what is a national holiday.



Helping people sigh up for health care is not propaganda. The reality of this is people are going to have to sign up if they want to avoid penalties. This is ot about supporting the law or not.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's like how Obama wants to coop 9/11 with 'volunteering', and not make it about what it really was. Islamic radicals attacking this country.

He simply cannot help but use a crisis, or try to interject himself and his agenda into the American psyche. Never let a good crisis go to waste, right ?

Obama and his followers are among the very worst this nation has ever had to face.



So going back to how the nation pulled together after a 911 and using it as an example of how we can do things is a bad thing? Are people's attention that bad they can't grasp multiply things at a time? It does not logically follow the volunterring is good thus radicals did not attack our country.

Oh, and Obama and his follower are just as much a part of this country as you are.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:37 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
( just making 'stuff' up )



" This holiday season, millions of Americans have a chance to get quality, affordable health insurance—many for the first time. If you have family members who are uninsured, you can play a big part in helping them find coverage that works for them. It might not always seem like it, but your family listens to you. So have the talk."



http://www.barackobama.com/health-care-holidays/


CONVERSATION TIPS

Start by asking: “Have you thought about signing up for health insurance on the new marketplace?”

Offer to walk them through it: “Would you like to take some time with me to sign up right now?”

Ask them to make a plan, and commit to it: “When do you plan on signing up?”

Don’t forget to follow up: “Have you signed up yet?”

WHAT’S IMPORTANT TO COMMUNICATE:

Being covered helps you stay healthy and protects you in an emergency.
You can find a plan that fits your budget—financial assistance is available for those who qualify.
You get to choose the plan that’s right for you.
All the health insurance plans on the new marketplace provide free preventive care—including routine checkups, vaccinations and screenings.
You can’t be denied insurance because of a preexisting condition, and lifetime limits are now banned, so your insurance will be there when you need it.
For your coverage to start January 1, you’ll need to sign up by December 23.
Open enrollment for plans in the marketplace is now through March, but getting started sooner is better.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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There is nothing wrong with any of this, it is just the facts of the law.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:42 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
There is nothing wrong with any of this, it is just the facts of the law.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Thank you, Jay Carney.

The POINT of posting this was primarily in response to claims that I was " making shit up", when in fact, I wasn't.

( See above )


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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://www.barackobama.com/health-care-holidays/

Dot COM? Not dot GOV?

So I went looking. barackobama.COM and subheadings are paid for by "Organizing for Action". It's right on the webpage. You can't miss it. According to wiki: "Organizing for Action (OFA) is a nonprofit social welfare organization and community organizing project in the United States ..."

OOPS. NOT Obama

Your sources were wrong, and hey, so are you.

Care to try again and do another faceplant?


As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.


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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:54 PM

AURAPTOR

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It's Obama, and I wasn't wrong.


Yours is the worst apology - probably ever, for this site. At least for the year.



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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:58 PM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Thank you, Jay Carney.

The POINT of posting this was primarily in response to claims that I was " making shit up", when in fact, I wasn't.

( See above )



You're reading needs work. You were asked if you had the whole thing and if not you would just be making shit up.

Now the thing is the script is not to sell the law. That is already in effect. The whole point is to get people insurance.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"It's Obama, and I wasn't wrong."

So, you continue to lie when the fact that's it's not Obama was clearly proven.

Got it.

"Organizing for Action (OFA) is a nonprofit social welfare organization and community organizing project in the United States which advocates for the agenda of U.S. President Barack Obama.[1][2] The organization is officially non-partisan,[2] but its agenda and policies are strongly allied with the Democratic Party of which Obama is a member. ... OFA is registered as a 501(c)(4) organization,[4] which may advocate for legislation but is prohibited from specifically supporting political candidates.[5] OFA is organized as a grassroots organization, with local chapters that decide which issues to organize around."




As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:02 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://www.barackobama.com/health-care-holidays/

Dot COM? Not dot GOV?

So I went looking. barackobama.COM and subheadings are paid for by "Organizing for Action". It's right on the webpage. You can't miss it. According to wiki: "Organizing for Action (OFA) is a nonprofit social welfare organization and community organizing project in the United States ..."

OOPS. NOT Obama

Your sources were wrong, and hey, so are you.

Care to try again and do another faceplant?



While it is not right from the President this is basicly his political act organization. I mean it was launched with help from the the First Lady. There is little difference here.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:07 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"It's Obama, and I wasn't wrong."

So, you continue to lie when the fact that's it's not Obama was clearly proven.

Got it.



That wasn't even the point YOU MADE!

You claimed I was " making shit up ", and all this was from the Reicht-wing sources , remember ?

When it CLEARLY wasn't !

Stop trying to move the goal posts and just admit it.

YOU WERE WRONG !

Quote:

Do you have the whole script? And not just two selected phrases posted in a questionable reicht-wing source. If not - are you just making shit up again when you claim to 'know' what they're doing? Or are you depending on your reicht-wing sources to make up your propaganda for you?



Full script ? Yes.
Just a few selected phrases ? Nope
Questionable reicht-wing sources ? Nope. Directly from the Obama site itself.

Not making shit up. Know EXACTLY what they are doing.

And you don't.


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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Not according to WIKI. The most Michelle Obama had to do with it was to co-announce it along with Jim Messina.

She does not head, direct, participate or otherwise associate with the organization. Some pro-Obama people are, or were, involved. But according to WIKI, it's a grass-roots organization. If you have a dispute with that, perhaps you could take it up with WIKI.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:17 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Not according to WIKI. The most Michelle Obama had to do with it was to co-announce it along with Jim Messina.

She does not head, direct, participate or otherwise associate with the organization. Some pro-Obama people are, or were, involved. But according to WIKI, it's a grass-roots organization. If you have a dispute with that, perhaps you could take it up with WIKI.



You're making a distinction without a difference. I doubt very highly the President did not give some type of approval for this. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, you continue to lie when the fact that's it's not Obama was clearly proven.

That wasn't even the point YOU MADE!

No, it was the point YOU made. YOU are the one who claimed this is Obama's effort. You did it

here: Marching orders ? Obama's got your marching orders, right here.
here: Obama wants a seat at your Thanksgiving dinner
here: (after being informed this was an effort of OFA) It's Obama, and I wasn't wrong.

It was the point of this thread. It was right in the title and your opening line, and repeated in the thread. And, you were wrong.


As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.


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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:25 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
You're making a distinction without a difference. I doubt very highly the President did not give some type of approval for this.



I can't find any evidence he gave approval for * anything * they've done. You're making assumptions without showing a basis.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:32 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I can't find any evidence he gave approval for * anything * they've done. You're making assumptions without showing a basis.



It is an assumption, but a pretty safe one I think. If you don't think that a political organization run by former staffers of the President, launched with help by his wife and helping to educate people about his keynote legislation does not get some input from the President you are naive.

So while you are technically correct it matters little in a larger discussion other to try and win points over Rappy.


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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I think you may be making too much of M Obama's involvement. In the first page or so of this google search "michelle obama" "organizing for action" https://www.google.com/#q=%22michelle+obama%22+%22organizing+for+actio
n%22
I can't find any evidence she's actively involved now, or did anything in the past other than co-'announce'. Can you find any supporting documentation for your claims?

As for the organization as a whole, the national staff consists of FORMER members of Obama's team (nearly all of them state, one of them demographic) who or may not have had access to him then, or access to him now. Meanwhile, the bulk of the group is organized on the state level (WIKI): 'Like its predecessor, Organizing for Action is composed of fifty different state organizations, united by a single national umbrella.'

The evidence that this is an organization run by Obama for Obama just isn't there. Or, you could dig something up and show otherwise.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:00 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I think you may be making too much of M Obama's involvement. In the fist page or so of this google search "michelle obama" "organizing for action" https://www.google.com/#q=%22michelle+obama%22+%22organizing+for+actio
n%22
I can't find any evidence she's actively involved, or did anything other than co-'announce'. Can you find any supporting documentation for your claims?

As for the organization as a whole, the national staff consists of FORMER members of Obama's team (some of them state or local) who or may not have had access to him then, or access to him now. Meanwhile, the bulk of the group is organized on the state level (WIKI): 'Like its predecessor, Organizing for Action is composed of fifty different state organizations, united by a single national umbrella.'

The evidence that this is an organization run by Obama for Obama just isn't there. Or, you could dig something up and show otherwise.



Never said it was run by Obama. I have also said that it is an assumption on my part and why I think it is a safe one. So posting facts that you have already does not really address what I'm saying.

If Rappy was smart he would have said that you were rigth and that it is not technically Obama and than contiuned on with why it is not right. The part of his argument you are not addressing.

Sometimes you and Rappy are two sides of the same coin.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:30 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"If Rappy was smart he would have said that you were right and that it is not technically Obama ..."

I think making it about Obama was the whole point of the thread. It's in the title for gosh sake's, it's in his opening line, he repeated it later. It's about the oppressive government overlord named Obama intruding into your home w/ Sovietsky-style mind-control.

If it's not that, then he has no dire message. It's just a bunch of private people doing stuff he dislikes. And what kind of palpitating is that?

Also, to get back to your assumption, I delved further into it to see if you might be right, which is what I posted. It wasn't 'more of the same post', it was finding more evidence for the same fact. After checking it out further, it still looks like you're not right. It's a large, 50-state organization, each an entity unto itself. Each state runs its own campaigns and picks its own topics to work on. That they should come together on a single subject isn't capable of being orchestrated from the WH, imo.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:56 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Also, to get back to your assumption, I delved further into it to see if you might be right, which is what I posted. It wasn't 'more of the same post', it was finding more evidence for the same fact. After checking it out further, it still looks like you're not right. It's a large, 50-state organization, each an entity unto itself. Each state runs its own campaigns and picks its own topics to work on. That they should come together on a single subject isn't capable of being orchestrated from the WH, imo.



There is one part that has control of the websites. You would also expect not to find anything that Obama gave his approval or disapproval for anything because the organization would fall under a differnt set of rules. So it would be a wink and a nod type stuff.

Even if it was the president direct doing this, asking people to bring up the topic to familly, would you see a problem with it?

If you would I can see a reason to make the distinguation, if not what is the point?


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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:54 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you continue to lie when the fact that's it's not Obama was clearly proven.

That wasn't even the point YOU MADE!

No, it was the point YOU made. YOU are the one who claimed this is Obama's effort. You did it



I think you need to regroup, collect your thoughts, and try again.

That wasn't even the point YOU MADE!

You claimed I was " making shit up ", and all this was from the Reicht-wing sources , remember ?

When it CLEARLY wasn't !

Stop trying to move the goal posts and just admit it.

YOU WERE WRONG !

Quote:
Do you have the whole script? And not just two selected phrases posted in a questionable reicht-wing source. If not - are you just making shit up again when you claim to 'know' what they're doing? Or are you depending on your reicht-wing sources to make up your propaganda for you?



Full script ? Yes.
Just a few selected phrases ? Nope
Questionable reicht-wing sources ? Nope. Directly from the Obama site itself.

Not making shit up. Know EXACTLY what they are doing.

And you don't.



Apology coming from you in 3,2,1...

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



M52

Is it wrong? Is it tacky? I have to firmly come down on 'it depends'.

If it's an advocacy group - which it is, and they're trying to advance a LEGAL agenda - which they are, then as a process I can't find fault with it. Other advocacy groups get to spend their money whining about how people are taking Christ out of x-mas (... it's strange that no one seems to worry about taking the sun god out of x-mass ... I digress) for example. Why should other private citizens - those who like the ACA - be any different?

If it's the government, I think it's still within legal bounds. Bush got to advertise his agendas, like when he went on the road trying to privatize Social Security. And in this case, it's a law, and trying to inform people about it by encouraging word of mouth is legal. I just think it's tacky. It should be some impersonal informational website and public service commercials, imo.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Directly from the Obama site itself. But it's not Obama

Not making shit up. Know EXACTLY what they are doing. But it's not Obama

In order to 'win' you had to abandon your entire point that it was Obama, yanno, the point in your TITLE and ARGUMENT. So let me highlight this again - But it's not Obama, and that's an epic fail of the point you were trying, and failing, to make.


As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.


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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Directly from the Obama site itself. But it's not Obama

Not making shit up. Know EXACTLY what they are doing. But it's not Obama




'reicht-wing' source ?

Nope.

Not even remotely close.

Quote:



In order to 'win' you had to abandon your entire point that it was Obama, yanno, the point in your TITLE and ARGUMENT. So let me highlight this again - But it's not Obama, and that's an epic fail of the point you were trying, and failing, to make.



I've already 'won', hon. It's just a matter of by how much.

Clearly, it's far more than you're capable of accepting.

Ye of such petty, false pride.

Never understood why folks are like that.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Your 'source' also indicated this was Obama. Yep, they failed too.

I know you're done when you have nothing left to say, but stamp your little feet and say 'But I WON! I DID! I did TOO!'

OH, btw, how's that argument going for you that women who want contraception covered in health care are whores? Still holding to your anchor and thinking it's a life vest?


As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.


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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Your 'source' also indicated this was Obama. Yep, they failed too.

I know you're done when you have nothing left to say, but stamp your little feet and say 'But I WON! I DID! I did TOO!'



Well, point of fact, I DID *win*. You claimed my source was from the " reicht-wing ", when it clearly wasn't.

The fact that is IS from Obama, is moot. It absolutely is. We've moved on pass that now. Well beyond , in fact.

I'm just enjoying see you stamp your feet in denial, as you try to divert attention away from the issue, to keep from acknowledging I was right, and you were wrong.

This is fun!

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


the source:
the daily caller

The source? Yep, reicht-wing.


the claims:
Obama wants a seat at your Thanksgiving dinner
the presidential pitch
Obama’s effort ... reflects his determination
(Obama is like) violent rulers of the Soviet Union who urged the nation’s children to follow the fabricated example of 14 year-old Pavel Morozov
Obama’s determination to pitch his Obamacare program

The claim that this is Obama's effort? False.


The buffoon:
It's Obama, and I wasn't wrong.

The buffoon? Still wrong.



As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.



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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The " source " of all this was the obama site itself.

I heard about it through another site, and then YOU heard about it from me. ( apparently )

Maybe some day, you'll figure it out.

( maybe )

But as long as you keep referring to yourself as a 'buffoon', that self esteem issue of yours will be tough to crack.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:25 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

"The " source " of all this was the obama site itself."


YOUR source? YOUR link? YOUR quote? I don't see the Obama site - anywhere. Chalk up another lie to little rappy.
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Obama wants a seat at your Thanksgiving dinner


Quote:



America’s families will soon get their turkey, potatoes and cranberries at Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners — but some will also get a tableside political pitch for the Obamacare insurance network.

President Barack Obama’s deputies at Organizing for Action are urging supporters to give an Obamacare pitch to their relatives during the most iconic of American family and religious events.

“Take advantage of downtime after meals or between holiday activities to start your talk,” says OFA’s marketing script, titled “Health Care for the Holidays.”

At Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners, “people will be under the “misconception that the government-designed health-payment plans are too expensive,” says the presidential pitch, which was emailed out on Nov. 23.

“Tell them: There are a variety of plans available in the new health insurance marketplace, so you can pick one that fits your budget. There’s also financial assistance available based on how much you make,” says OFA’s script.

Obama’s effort to push his political priorities into Americans’ private family and religious events reflects his determination to take over the nation’s health-care sector.

Obama and his progressives allies believe that average Americans need their professional, university-learned and well-paid skills to manage their lives. That’s very different from Americans’ evolved popular culture, which declares that families are best able to help young people develop good character.

The progressives’ determination to gatecrash iconic family events reflects self-confidence in their own expertise, their long-held pity and contempt for ordinary Americans and for the institution of family, plus their ability to attract young people to their cause.

But it also shows how Obama and his deputies are worried that their trouble-plagued Obamacare network is in peril.

The online script tries to build up the confidence of young people nervous about making the dinner-table pitch. “If you have family members who are uninsured, you can play a big part in helping them find coverage that works for them. It might not always seem like it, but your family listens to you. So have the talk,” isays the pitch.

The pitch was previewed Nov. 18 by Sara El-Amine, OFA’s national training director at Organizing for Action. “We all have that uncle or that cousin who needs to be convinced or who needs health-insurance… so [OFA volunteers have begun to] practice those sometime-hard conversations,” she said in a phone call to OFA’s volunteers.

“If every person on this call committed to something small, like talking to your uninsured cousin or nephew at the Thanksgiving table, think about the impact we could have,” she said.

“We’re not going to be able to fight this fight without you,” she told the volunteers, who had gathered to hear a statement from their leader, Obama.

The online script glosses over the many problems with the Obamacare website. But it urges supporters to ask relatives to bring personal information, such as Social Security Numbers, to the dinner so they can use the family computer to join Obamacare after dessert.

The OFA script includes a short video, in which two drab parents urge their friendless young son to buy health-insurance, while they eat Obamacare-compliant small portions of drab food.

The script downplays the cost of Obamacare premiums and deductibles, which are especially high for young, healthy people.

The Obamacare system depends on the monthly Obamcare tax payments from young and healthy people, many of whom are already struggling to save money, get married, pay off student loans or even get a full-time job in stalled economy.

Young peoples’ Obamacare taxes are used to offset the huge cost of providing very expensive insurance to Democrat-leaning groups of immigrants, unskilled, unmarried or sick people.

Other regimes have used children to help government penetrate private family and religious events.

One extreme example is provided by the violent rulers of the Soviet Union, who urged the nation’s children to follow the fabricated example of 14 year-old Pavel Morozov. The boy, according to the official Soviet investigation of his death in 1932, was killed by relatives after he called the secret police to arrest his father for illegal activities. The father was shot after a trial, according to the fabricated story.

Four of his Morozov’s relatives were reputedly shot by the Soviet government to help boost the story, which was used to persuade millions of kids to be loyal to government rather than to their families.

Obama’s determination to pitch his Obamacare program is now tinged with desperation, following the public’s recognition that Obama’s university-trained aides spectacularly failed to manage a staged rollout of the Obamacare network, despite three years of planning.

In recent weeks, Obama’s ratings have plunged down to roughly 40 percent, following the public’s recognition that he lied when he said in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2103 that Americans would be able to keep their insurance plans and doctors after the Obamcare networks is established.

Many Americans’ access to their healthcare is being reduced by Obamacare’s crippled malfunctioning website, by large price spikes, by shrinking access to doctors and reduced marketplace choices.

GOP legislators are trying to develop a replacement system, that would provide large tax-breaks to help people to buy health-insurance from any qualified company in the nation. The GOP alternative would provide federal money to help sick people offset the cost of debilitating medical conditions, and allow them to keep their insurance when they lose or change jobs.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/obama-wants-a-seat-at-your-thanksgiv
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As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.


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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:04 PM

MAL4PREZ


It's worth another cross post to get the puppet to play his game so I can mock him even more. Referring to his major idiocy on

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=56917

followed by his accusation that Kiki was running from a thread which, in reality, did nothing more than prove that Rappy is not a *real* little boy...

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=56908

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, making totally baseless accusations about someone, and the running like hell away from the thread is par for the course for you, is it ?




Starting a thread quoting satire as a rip on the political left then fleeing rather than facing the music for being a moron is par for the Rappy course, is it?

Hey, I bet you think Colbert is really a conservative, don't you? I bet you'd invite Stephen Colbert to the White House correspondent's dinner next time there's a Repub president--if that ever happens again in your lifetime--because your head is clearly too far up your bung to recognize satire for what it is.




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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:17 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

If it's an advocacy group - which it is, and they're trying to advance a LEGAL agenda - which they are, then as a process I can't find fault with it.



Cool.

So if a right-wing advocacy group tries to advocate a legal agenda, we won't hear anything from you. Right?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:14 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Cool.

So if a right-wing advocacy group tries to advocate a legal agenda, we won't hear anything from you. Right?



It all depends on how they do that and what they are saying.

I asked Rappy why this was so bad and I got "It's unprecedented" like that makes it bad.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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