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Limbaugh Accuses Pope Francis Of 'Pure Marxism'

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Tuesday, December 3, 2013 9:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Limbaugh blasted the pontiff on Wednesday, a day after Francis released "Evangelii Gaudium" (The Joy of the Gospel), a 50,000-word statement that calls for church reform and castigates elements of modern capitalism.

Limbaugh's segment, now online and entitled "It's Sad How Wrong Pope Francis Is (Unless It's a Deliberate Mistranslation By Leftists)," takes direct aim at the pope's economic views, calling them "dramatically, embarrassingly, puzzlingly wrong."

The Vatican issued the English translation of "Evangelii," which is known officially as an apostolic exhortation and unofficially as a pep talk to the worlds 1.5 billion Catholics.

Francis – the first pope ever to hail from Latin America, where he worked on behalf of the poor in his native Argentina – warned in "Evangelii" that the "idolatry of money" would lead to a "new tyranny."

The Pope also blasted "trickle-down economics," saying the theory "expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power."

But Limbaugh, whose program is estimated to reach 15 million listeners, called the Pope's comments "sad" and "unbelievable."

"It's sad because this pope makes it very clear he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to capitalism and socialism and so forth."

In fact, Argentina was a battlefield between leftist socialists and right-wing security forces during much of Francis' early career in the country, where he was a Jesuit priest and later archbishop of Buenos Aires.

Limbaugh, who is not Catholic, said he admires the faith "profoundly." He admired Pope Francis as well, "up until this," Limbaugh said.

The talk show host also said that he has made numerous visits to the Vatican, which he said "wouldn't exist without tons of money."

"But regardless, what this is, somebody has either written this for him or gotten to him," Limbaugh added. "This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the Pope."

Limbaugh took particular issue with the Pope's criticism of the "culture of prosperity," which the pontiff called a "mere spectacle" for the many people who can't afford to participate.

"I'm not Catholic, but I know enough to know that this would have been unthinkable for a pope to believe or say just a few years ago," Limbaugh continued.

In fact, Francis' predecessor, Benedict XVI, now pope emeritus, could be just as strong a critic of capitalism.

In 2009, Benedict, in an official church document called an encyclical, said there was an urgent need for "a political, juridical and economic order" that would "manage the global economy."

In "Evangelii," Francis called for more of a spiritual and ethical revolution than a regulatory one.

"I encourage financial experts and political leaders to ponder the words of one of the sages of antiquity: `Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them and to take away their livelihood. It is not our own goods which we hold, but theirs,'" said Francis, quoting the fifth-century St. John Chrysostom.

Liberal Catholics defended Pope Francis on Monday, calling on Limbaugh to apologize and retract his remarks.

"To call the Holy Father a proponent 'pure Marxism' is both mean-spirited and naive," said Christopher Hale of the Washington-based Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good. "Francis's critique of unrestrained capitalism is in line with the Church's social teaching."

Limbaugh is not the only conservative commentator to take issue with the Pope's views on capitalism.

“I go to church to save my soul," said Fox News' Stuart Varney, who is an Episcopalian. "It’s got nothing to do with my vote. Pope Francis has linked the two. He has offered direct criticism of a specific political system. He has characterized negatively that system. I think he wants to influence my politics.”

It doesn't sound like the criticism is slowing Francis down, however. He's started sending a Vatican contingent, including the Papal Swiss Guards, into Rome to deliver food and charity. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/02/rush-limbaugh-vs-the-pope/?hp
t=hp_t1


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Tuesday, December 3, 2013 9:56 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


This puts Paul Ryan in an interesting spot I think.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:09 AM

SIMONWHO


If Jesus didn't want people to make loads of money, he would have said so. It's clear the Pope hasn't read the Bible - he should sit down and do so, preferably paying close attention to the Book of Profits, before making such ridiculous statements.

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Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:18 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Bono is my Pope now.


BONO: So some of Africa is rising and some of Africa is stuck. It’s a question of if the rising bit will pull the rest of Africa up or whether the other Africa will weigh the continent down. Which will it be? The stakes here aren’t just about them.

Imagine, for a second, this last global recession, but without the economic growth of China and India, without the hundreds of millions of newly minted middle class folks who now buy American and European goods. Imagine that. Think about the last five years.

Rock star preaches capitalism. Wow. Sometimes I hear myself and I just can’t believe it. But commerce is real. That’s what you’re about here. It’s real. Aid is just a stopgap. Commerce, entrepreneur capitalism takes more people out of poverty than aid. Of course we know that. http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/08/14/bono-capitalism-not-aid-lifts-peop
le-out-of-poverty
/



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Tuesday, December 3, 2013 11:32 AM

BYTEMITE


In a lot of cases to start companies in impoverished nations, they still need investors. That's a kind of aid.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16157459

This basket weaving business started with ten women and required $200. To us $200 is a moderately expensive purchase, maybe a wedding gift or a nice christmas gift. To them it is a ridiculous amount of money. 10,000 dollars for ONE person here is poverty level. Over there split between 100 women it is more many than any of them have ever seen and will change their lives.

I don't think many people fully understand how bad the situation is and so can't really put it into perspective. Both Bono and the pope are right.

Then again, I am reminded that we argued about whether an inuit town in Alaska should receive aid because it will be below water in ten years. Perhaps the problem here is we have fundamentally different definitions of the terms poverty, emergency, and aid.

Consumers should be able to boycott business leaders who use dishonest tactics, or lie, or cheat, or swindle, or mistreat their workers. They should go out of business if their consumers turn against them, and other better run businesses and entrepeneurs will take their place. We should not venerate scum and sharks who love only money and themselves, and consumers should not allow companies to become too big too fail and take all the other businesses down with them. If the market works, then this is what should happen. That is what the Pope is saying. That is not anti-capitalism. That is common sense.

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Tuesday, December 3, 2013 12:09 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


I agree with both the Pope and Bono.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by kpo:
I agree with both the Pope and Bono.

It's not personal. It's just war.



It's not that there's much disagreement of there being a problem, but on how to deal with and solve it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Wednesday, December 4, 2013 10:53 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


"The Pope of the Catholic Church really is offering a rebuttal to the Pope of the Republican party, which is what Limbaugh has largely become. In daily encyclicals, Rush is infallible in doctrine and not to be questioned in public. When he speaks on the airwaves, it is always ex cathedra. Callers can get an audience from him, but rarely a hearing. Dissent from his eternal doctrines means excommunication from the GOP and the designation of heretic. His is always the last word." -- http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/12/03/rush-limbaugh-knows-nothing-
about-christianity
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, December 4, 2013 11:21 AM

BYTEMITE


Seriously, it's gotten to the point where any criticism of materialism by a SPIRITUALIST organization is dangerously anti-capitalist?

“The culture of prosperity deadens us. We are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase. In the meantime, all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle. They fail to move us.”

Yeah, that's not an appeal to people about the pitfalls of empty mindless soulless disconnected misanthropic consumerism versus the fulfillment of charity and helping others, that's clearly sinister leftist agenda mongering.



And then Limbaugh weasel words it with "almost" when he's making that accusation, so he can then say he never actually said that when he was strongly implying it. 9_9

There comes an eventuality when a viewpoint is so entrenched that you can't even hear what other people are saying. Limbaugh's sole rebuttal whether people buying products is fulfilling is to point out how much of a product has been sold. That is an argument from someone who not only doesn't even understand what the point of contention is, but who sees life as a BUSINESS transaction and the highest purpose in life as profit.

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Wednesday, December 4, 2013 12:12 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


"There’s something almost poignant in Limbaugh’s inability even to understand that material goods are not self-evidently the purpose of life and are usually (and in Jesus’ stern teachings always) paths away from God and our own good and our own happiness. Something poignant because it reveals a profound ignorance of one of the West’s deepest cultural inheritances in Christianity.

Limbaugh’s only recourse when faced with actual Christianity is to conspiracy theories about translations of the Pope’s words. Perhaps it’s the commies who have perpetrated a massive lie through their control of the media." -- http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/12/03/rush-limbaugh-knows-nothing-
about-christianity
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, December 4, 2013 1:04 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Old Rusho should read the Bible. Primitive christianity (small c) had much in common with communism (also small c). Read the book of Acts. Read a fair amount of what Christ actually said. Communism in theory is on a much solider moral, ethical basis than capitalism. Not sayin' that Communism as it developed WAS a better moral system, or that it lasted better, but in theory it started from a better moral foundation.

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Wednesday, December 4, 2013 2:52 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree, NewOld. And Second, thank you so much...prize for first MULTIPLE guffaws of the morning goes to your post, hands down!
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"The Pope of the Catholic Church really is offering a rebuttal to the Pope of the Republican party, which is what Limbaugh has largely become. In daily encyclicals, Rush is infallible in doctrine and not to be questioned in public. When he speaks on the airwaves, it is always ex cathedra. Callers can get an audience from him, but rarely a hearing. Dissent from his eternal doctrines means excommunication from the GOP and the designation of heretic. His is always the last word."



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Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:12 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Limbaugh is just a guy who's on the radio for a few hours a day. He has no responsibilities, no accountability, and no productive function in society other than to entertain his audience. Big deal ... Kim Kardashian has an audience too.

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Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:48 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


So, as Rush was explaining today, much of this falls not on The Pope, but on Reuters, who apparently misreported some of what the pope said ?

As he puts it, much of the specifics which the MSM made a big fuss about weren't accurately translated or reported on in the Reuters story, which is what Rush was going on when he made his initial comments.

The reason Rush was so bent out of shape by some of the comments is that Rush is actually quite familiar w/ the Vatican, having been there multiple times and in good graces with some of the insiders there. ( Rush said this, not I )

The comments and use of words alleged to have come from the Pope were way out of character from what Rush has come to expect from The Vatican, so it was understandable that he'd be incredulous.

That's the side of the story from the big guy himself.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:04 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Limbaugh is just a guy who's on the radio for a few hours a day. He has no responsibilities, no accountability, and no productive function in society other than to entertain his audience. Big deal ... Kim Kardashian has an audience too.



HA!

Hey, we are in agreement.

I'd add: They have about an equal level of credibility, too!




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