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Pope Francis: Christians shouldn't "act superior to others"

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Monday, December 23, 2013 12:55 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Dunno if he'll have much effect on "The Church", but oh, my, I DO like what this guy has to say!
Quote:

Vatican City, Dec 18, 2013 / 04:41 am (CNA).- In his Wednesday general audience this morning, Pope Francis stressed the importance of humility and service in the Christian life.

“It is an ugly thing when one sees a Christian who does not want to lower himself, who does not want to serve, a Christian who parades around everywhere. It’s terrible, no? That person isn’t a Christian: he is a pagan! The Christian serves (and) lowers himself,” said the Pope on Dec. 18 in St. Peter’s Square.

“In Christmas, God reveals himself not as one who stands above and who dominates the universe, but as He who lowers himself,” explained the Pontiff.

“God lowers himself, coming down to earth as little and poor, showing that in order to be similar to him we must not place ourselves above others, but rather lower ourselves, place ourselves in service, make ourselves small with the small, poor with the poor.”

The incarnation of God made man, encouraged Pope Francis, should be a model for every Christian.

“We must make it so that our brothers and sisters never feel alone. Our presence in solidarity to their side expresses not only with words but with the eloquence of gestures that God is close to all.”

Moreover, God did not expect or demand perfection. “The presence of God in the midst of humanity is not carried out in an ideal, idyllic world, but in this real world, marked by many good and bad things, marked by division, cruelty, poverty, abuse, and war,” noted the Pope.

Still, “he chose to live our history as it is, with all the weight of its limitations and dramas. In so doing, he demonstrated in an unparalleled way his merciful inclinations and overflowing love toward his human creatures.” http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-a-christian-refusing-to-se
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In short, Pope Francis says Christians need to stop acting as if they are superior to others. You know, like conservative “Christians” do on a daily basis here in America. For years, conservative "Christianity" has been steeped in hatred of others. They hate the poor and have sought an agenda designed to punish them. They hold sexism and racism in high regard. To them, only religious right-wing white males should have a say in the world. That’s why they have pursued policies that scale back civil rights for women and people of color. Because to them, women should be subservient to men and people of color belong back on plantations or should be deported.

Conservative "Christians" have also declared war on other belief systems. Hatred of Muslims and atheists run rampant in right-wing circles. This is especially true around the holiday season, when conservatives across the country try to convince everyone that there is a so-called war on Christmas. The fact is, no one is waging such a war. In reality, they are using a fake war on Christmas to attack other faiths. The Pope is right, it's not Christian.

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Monday, December 23, 2013 1:24 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...





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Monday, December 23, 2013 1:33 PM

BYTEMITE


...Be humble so you can be like onto God. What?

Quote:

Because you are haughty of heart, you say, 'A god am I! I occupy a godly throne in the heart of the sea!'
— The Bible, Ezekiel 28:2



Maybe the point isn't to be like a god, or to be closer to a god, or because you think it'll get you into a "good" afterlife, but to be a DECENT HUMAN BEING.

While the overall message is okay, and while I can tell Pope Francis is at least trying, the details are nonsensical and illogical. 7/10.

Also he insulted all pagans. Just before Saturnalia. Right in front of the "Christmas" (read: Yule) tree in St. Peter's Square.

*face palm*

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Monday, December 23, 2013 2:22 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"...Be humble so you can be like onto God. What? "

I don't view it that way. I think it's more like the buddhist philosophy, "TRY to emulate what you aspire to"...try to be like Jesus because it's what they revere. That's just my interpretation...

Seems to me a fairly simple concept...instead of looking down on others just BECAUSE you're "Christian", actually try to BE a follower of Christ's teachings and how Christ behaved.


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Monday, December 23, 2013 2:34 PM

BYTEMITE


Hmm. I suppose it might depend on how you interpret certain passages - But, in fairness, the Catholic church would not support ideas that the Gnostics or Deists do. So while a message of carrying the divine spark or becoming god-like is present in many Christian sects, in retrospect Pope Francis probably doesn't believe those concepts.

Although ultimately, this still reads to me as "don't be condescending this way, be condescending this OTHER way."

On the other hand, I can't find too much fault in a message like "be kind and tolerant like Jesus... and also overturn the moneychangers' tables and drive them out with whips like Jesus."

Moneychangers. They've always been universally terrible.

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Monday, December 23, 2013 4:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Money isn't the root of all evil, but the LOVE of money is.

One of the more unappealing, and even creepy, interactions I once had was with a baptist. Basically, his "witnessing" tactic was to convince me that god rewards those who believe in him financially, here on Earth. This was shortly after the Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker era, and I guess there were still ( and are ) a few hold overs from that sort of theology. The " the more God likes you, the more gold fixtures you'll have in your bathroom " types.

The tone in this guys voice, and the smugness he projected... it really did take all my human self control to keep from knocking the jesus out of him.

I'm sure he's long dead now. Probably has a very fine head stone over his grave.

Asshole.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, December 23, 2013 7:35 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ~Jesus

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, December 23, 2013 7:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I read an interesting distinction. There's the religion ABOUT Jesus - his humble birth, his power, his glory, his righteousness. And there's the religion OF Jesus: love god above all and love your neighbor as yourself. Leave all that you have, and follow him.

Following the religion ABOUT Jesus seems far more rewarding and comfortable. RAH! RAH! JESUS! So nice to be on the right side.

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Monday, December 23, 2013 8:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ~Jesus




I've heard some say that's actually a mistranslation of the original text.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, December 23, 2013 8:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


oh what a simple google can reveal -

wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_a_needle

Christianity

"The eye of a needle" is scripture quoted by Jesus recorded in the synoptic gospels:

I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:23-26

Parallel versions appear in Mark 10:24-25, and Luke 18:24-25.

The saying was a response to a young rich man who had asked Jesus what he needed to do in order to inherit eternal life. Jesus replied that he should keep the commandments, to which the man stated he had done. Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." The young man became sad and was unwilling to do this. Jesus then spoke this response, leaving his disciples astonished.

The "eye of the needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed. This story has been put forth since at least the 15th century, and possibly as far back as the 9th century. However, there is no evidence for the existence of such a gate.[3][4]

Variations on this story include that of ancient inns having small entrances to thwart thieves, or a story of an old mountain pass known as the "eye of the needle", so narrow that merchants would have to dismount from their camels and were thus more vulnerable to waiting brigands. There is no historical evidence for any of these, either. This also ignores the explanation given in Matthew 19:26:“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Cyril of Alexandria claimed that "camel" is a Greek misprint; that kamêlos (camel) was a misprint of kamilos, meaning "rope" or "cable".[2][5] However evidence for such a Greek term is weak, there is little or no Greek manuscript support, and it goes against the standard principle of textual criticism that errors tend to happen towards the easier reading, not against it.


As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.


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Monday, December 23, 2013 9:47 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ~Jesus




I've heard some say that's actually a mistranslation of the original text.



Sure, from the same people getting rich from church donations.

Jesus also said, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." and “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.” followed by “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation. Woe to you who are full now, for you will be hungry. Woe to you who are laughing now, for you will mourn and weep.”

Jesus was not a fan of gathering wealth in any form.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, December 23, 2013 10:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What would Jesus drive?


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Monday, December 23, 2013 11:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Yep. Just as I said. "Some say" there's an alternate translation. Good ol Google, huh?

Quote:

Jesus was not a fan of gathering wealth in any form.


The point I was making wasn't that there may be an alternate lesson to be learned, but that the whole 'camel through the eye of a needle " MAY have meant something entirely different, to the people of the time, than it means to us today.

OR

It could mean exactly what it sounds like it means, as it was ( allegedly ) spoken some 2000 years ago.


Jesus would do as he did in his day... walked. And besides, sitting on the bus isn't 'driving'.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Monday, December 23, 2013 11:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"And besides, sitting on the bus isn't 'driving'."

That pretty much was my point - he wouldn't drive. But he did other things than walk. He sailed in boats. He rode borrowed asses. He just didn't own any of it.


As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.


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Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


If someone wanted to lend him some wheels, he'd probably take anything. Assuming he took the time to learn to drive, and get a license.

Jesus also walked on water, (allegedly )

Hell. He could probably fly. Or blink like Jeannie, and just appear where ever he wanted.





Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:52 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What does that have to do with Jesus preaching against wealth?

IT'S A FACT! RUSH IS A BLUE PILL ADDICT!


As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.


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Wednesday, December 25, 2013 9:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...




Conservatives may hate Pope Francis, but the American people love him more by a landslide according to a new poll.

The latest CNN poll ( http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/24/cnn-poll-popes-approval-ratin
g-sky-high
/) reveals that while Pope Francis is loathed by conservatives for having a more liberal approach, the great majority of Americans and American Catholics approve of him.

A whopping 88 percent of American Catholics highly approve of Pope Francis. Among the American people as a whole, his approval rating stands at an incredible 75 percent. So even though conservatives have made the pontiff the newest target of their hatred, Americans overwhelmingly side with him. This suggests that even many conservatives love the Pope despite what right-wing leaders think.



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Wednesday, December 25, 2013 9:55 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


So, we're liking the Pope now , are we?

Huh.

And what if his views in same sex marriage, abortion? Down with those positions as well ?

And since when is disagreeing suddenly ' targeting for hate ' ??

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Wednesday, December 25, 2013 11:31 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

So, we're liking the Pope now , are we?


I'm not. I'm probably in a paranoid minority though.

I don't like any public official on principle.

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Wednesday, December 25, 2013 1:11 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, we're liking the Pope now , are we?

Huh.

And what if his views in same sex marriage, abortion? Down with those positions as well ?



The Rap is nothing if not repetitive! Still out to prove that he operates by blindly worshiping his authority figures, rather than forming opinions based on principles. It must blow his mind that some people are capable of such rationality.

From http://www.fireflyfans.net/mreply.aspx?q=y&mid=956113

Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny how the libs are all praising the Pope on some issues, but will turn on a dime when he still speaks out against abortion.


Wow, is this an illuminating statement as to how the RWA brain works.

To me, when an authority figure backs issues that I believe in, I will speak my agreement and even praise the person. If that same person backs issues I do not agree with, of course I will not agree and praise. This is a no brainer to me. I support or not based on the issues, and I realize that I will not agree with any person 100% of the time. When I do I do, when I don't I don't. No need to hide it, no need to force it to be all black or all white.

Rappy, on the other, finds it "funny", by which he clearly means inconsistent and certainly a weakness to be criticized, to both agree and disagree with an authority figure. Once he has praised a person, he has chosen a side and must never switch over. Ditto with criticizing a person. All black or all white.

This is supported by all those years when Rappy licked W's jackboots (to use a Frem-word) no matter what and by his inability to say anything good about O now. Also supported by how he (and Geezer and Jongs) will NEVER start a thread praising a Dem or criticizing a Repub. That would only make him seem inconsistent and weak, I guess.

Yes, we already knew that RWAs follow authoritative personalities rather than being guided by issues (or facts), but I seldom see Rappy come right out and state it so bluntly. By the quoted post, he considers it is a character flaw to both praise and disagree with an authority figure, no matter what issues are involved.

Really: interesting.




Hey - never change Rappy!


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Wednesday, December 25, 2013 2:14 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What Mal4 quoted...that about covers it.


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Wednesday, December 25, 2013 2:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


What I love about rappy is his ability to cherry-pick away the obvious.

RAPPY, son, given the many parables and stories about Jesus... driving the money-changers out of the temple, telling the rich man to give away everything he owned, making disciples out of poor fishermen, feeding the masses, blessing the poor (Blessed are the poor), diminishing the rich and powerful (Pharisees) while elevating the downtrodden (publican, a tax collector), making an example of the lillies of the field (they neither spin nor weave), requiring complete devotion to a spiritual life ("A man cannot serve two masters")... do you really, REALLY think there is any other interpretation??? Do you think that we're as hypocritical as you are?

There ARE hidden historical gems in the NT... contextual interpretations that would make our reading of the NT more insightful... but they're not in the direction that you're hoping for.

For example, "when a man asks you for your cloak, give him also your shirt." We might read it as an exhortation to be charitable, but in fact it has to do with performing a bit of street-theater against payday money-lenders. It goes like this: The landless poor often lived day-to-day on advances. They would need a loan just to get food so they could go look for work. The payday lenders would demand collateral- in this case, the warm cloak that was the only thing between the landless poor and freezing to death at night- because they KNEW that the debtor would have to come back before nightfall. So Jesus was basically saying: Give him your shirt. Go around naked, and make a point of demonstrating how unfair this is.

Because Jesus was the original hippie, with a bit of Occupier thrown in.

Quote:

Hey - never change Rappy!
Oh don't worry, he won't. His lifestyle depends on it!

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Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:00 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yep. Just as I said. "Some say" there's an alternate translation. Good ol Google, huh?

Quote:

Jesus was not a fan of gathering wealth in any form.


The point I was making wasn't that there may be an alternate lesson to be learned, but that the whole 'camel through the eye of a needle " MAY have meant something entirely different, to the people of the time, than it means to us today.

OR

It could mean exactly what it sounds like it means, as it was ( allegedly ) spoken some 2000 years ago.




I think his message on wealth and greed are pretty consistent to make his meaning very clear.

People love to interpret to meet their own agenda.

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Thursday, December 26, 2013 12:20 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Aaaaaand..... where's rappy?

heh heh heh

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Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:54 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, we're liking the Pope now , are we?

Huh.

And what if his views in same sex marriage, abortion? Down with those positions as well ?



The Rap is nothing if not repetitive! Still out to prove that he operates by blindly worshiping his authority figures, rather than forming opinions based on principles. It must blow his mind that some people are capable of such rationality.



Which authority figure am I worshiping ? Please be specific.

And the word is 'consistent'. That's because what I'm talking about is the same issue. Niki is gushing over the new found popularity of this Pope, while ignoring that his views, as well as those of the Church, haven't changed on other matters.

All I'm doing it pointing that out.

As for 'never changing', yeah, so what? Only shows I know what I'm talking about and am confident in saying it. How is that a crime, or a bad thing ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:23 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Which authority figure? Do you mean you don't even know who you're always quoting with religious fervor? Huh. That explains a lot.

Well, you have several: Rand, Limbaugh, Beck, and any GOP President.

Yanno, it occurred to me... why don't Ron, Rand, and Ru run together?

RuPaul for President!

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Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:

Which authority figure? Do you mean you don't even know who you're always quoting with religious fervor? Huh. That explains a lot.

Well, you have several: Rand, Limbaugh, Beck, and any GOP President.



None are authority figures to me, what so ever. The discussion was the Pope and his views. I'm not Catholic, never have been, so it was unclear as to who you meant. Rand, Limbaugh, Beck... you're grasping at straws here, as it appears you can't back up your claims. I don't even remember QUOTING them much, if any, at all. Certainly never do so with " religious fervor ", as you indicate. Sure, I may share some political views with folks, to lesser or greater degree, but how is that in any way a sign that I view them as any 'authority figure' ??

How much nog did we have over the last couple days ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:39 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Where in hell did I ever "gush" over the Pope? I said I liked what he had to say...that's gushing? No, that's Rap...sigh.

Inconceivable for him, I realize, that someone might LISTEN to the speaker of a religion or political party they aren't in agreement with and hear something of which they approve and appreciate, I know.

(Always loved RuPaul...)


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Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Rappy, you're religious because you believe all kinds of stuff despite daily, real-world evidence to the contrary. And yes, you quote Rush and Beck. Constantly. Reliably enough that if I ever want to know the Cliff Notes version of what the reichwing is whining about on any particular day, I come and read your posts. AFA GOP Presidents are concerned, it's very clear that you give the GOP far, far more latitude than any Dem Pres, because you whine about Dems doing the exact same thing as the GOP.

Have you ever read the book which describes you to a "T"? It's the one MAL4 references. You might want to look at it. Here: it's available for free. Knock yourself out. http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/


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Thursday, December 26, 2013 6:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Rappy, you're religious because you believe all kinds of stuff despite daily, real-world evidence to the contrary. And yes, you quote Rush and Beck. Constantly.

You're making up a bizarre definition of what it means to be " religious " then. Also, I believe I'll have another beer. But beyond that, I don't "believe" in very much, as you seem to think. I acknowledge 'facts', and don't so much 'believe', as do you.


Citing folks is what many here scream is damn near mandatory when commenting about almost anything. I rarely " quote " Rush or Beck, thought I may make mention of them or cite them on certain topics.

Quote:



Reliably enough that if I ever want to know the Cliff Notes version of what the reichwing is whining about on any particular day, I come and read your posts. AFA GOP Presidents are concerned, it's very clear that you give the GOP far, far more latitude than any Dem Pres, because you whine about Dems doing the exact same thing as the GOP.


Being a conservative, it's not so far fetched that you'd go to me to see what a conservative thinks on certain issues. I'm no where near ' reich wing ', which itself is a gross misnomer, as the NAZI party were the SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY OF GERMANY, extremely LEFT wing.

And yes, the GOP are simply better people than the Dims, so it makes perfect sense that I'd give them more latitude.

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Have you ever read the book which describes you to a "T"? It's the one MAL4 references. You might want to look at it. Here: it's available for free. Knock yourself out. http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/




Sounds like it describes ObamaBots to a "T", not I.

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Thursday, December 26, 2013 7:03 PM

AGENTROUKA


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm no where near ' reich wing ', which itself is a gross misnomer, as the NAZI party were the SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY OF GERMANY, extremely LEFT wing.



Uh, dude.

The were the NATIONAL socialist German workers party. And the "socialist" was definitely not an association with left-wing politics.

The nazis were extreme right wing. They persecuted the real socialists before they even started on the Jews.

Please do not distort these facts. Seriously.

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Thursday, December 26, 2013 7:13 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm no where near ' reich wing ', which itself is a gross misnomer, as the NAZI party were the SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY OF GERMANY, extremely LEFT wing.



Uh, dude.

The were the NATIONAL socialist German workers party.



Oh yeah, I SO confuse that name...




LOL!

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Thursday, December 26, 2013 7:20 PM

AGENTROUKA


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm no where near ' reich wing ', which itself is a gross misnomer, as the NAZI party were the SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY OF GERMANY, extremely LEFT wing.



Uh, dude.

The were the NATIONAL socialist German workers party.



Oh yeah, I SO confuse that name...



You know what? Fuck you.

You do NOT get to distort history for your personal convenience and then sully a fantastic movie in a cheap second attempt at distortion. They are NOT easily confused. No one but base liars would attempt to pretend otherwise.

The millions of people who died in ww2, including the many american soldiers and even veterans you probably hold some shred of respect for, deserve better than that pretended ignorance you're displaying here.


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Thursday, December 26, 2013 7:31 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:

You know what? Fuck you.



Wooo... brilliant counter point! Very insightful, you are.

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You do NOT get to distort history for your personal convenience and then sully a fantastic movie in a cheap second attempt at distortion.



I did neither.

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The millions of people who died in ww2, including the many american soldiers and even veterans you probably hold some shred of respect for, deserve better than that pretended ignorance you're displaying here.




I doubt they really cared all that much if it was the Socialist Workers party of Germany or the German Socialist workers party , all they know was some evil sick bastard tried to take over the whole of Europe and some very fine folks were called upon to see to it that he was stopped.

And he was.



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Thursday, December 26, 2013 7:38 PM

AGENTROUKA


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:

You know what? Fuck you.



Wooo... brilliant counter point! Very insightful, you are.



I was expressing my utter disgust for you.

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You do NOT get to distort history for your personal convenience and then sully a fantastic movie in a cheap second attempt at distortion.



I did neither.



Yes, you did. Claiming the Nazis were extreme left-wing is a distortion of the highest order. Or, if you prefer, a giant lie.

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The millions of people who died in ww2, including the many american soldiers and even veterans you probably hold some shred of respect for, deserve better than that pretended ignorance you're displaying here.



I doubt they really cared all that much if it was the Socialist Workers party of Germany or the German Socialist workers party , all they know was some evil sick bastard tried to take over the whole of Europe and some very fine folks were called upon to see to it that he was stopped.

And he was.



Right. They didn't care who they fought. They were all ignorant hicks with no interest in what they were sent to fight. I guess I can take back my assumption that you have respect for them.

Why are you so determined to pretend you don't have the slightest shred of an idea what National Socialism was? Key word National? Is it inconveniencing you to admit that you made a hugely false claim? Or, if you will, can you refrain from ever referring to Nazis again if you insist on being ignorant about them?

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Thursday, December 26, 2013 7:58 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



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Yes, you did. Claiming the Nazis were extreme left-wing is a distortion of the highest order. Or, if you prefer, a giant lie.


They were totalitarians , who gathered up the guns, just as Obama and company are trying to do today. They share more in common w/ the Left than the Right.

And that's no lie.

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Right. They didn't care who they fought. They were all ignorant hicks with no interest in what they were sent to fight. I guess I can take back my assumption that you have respect for them.


YOUR words, not mine, that they were " ignorant hicks ". Though, to be honest, many were ignorant, whether they were hicks or not. And yet, they still went. And for that, I have the highest level of respect for them. They were what helped make our greatest generation.


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Why are you so determined to pretend you don't have the slightest shred of an idea what National Socialism was? Key word National? Is it inconveniencing you to admit that you made a hugely false claim? Or, if you will, can you refrain from ever referring to Nazis again if you insist on being ignorant about them?


I'm not ignorant about them, and instead, I know a great deal about the history of that era. I just cannot abide the distortions and LIES that are often repeated by the Left, of equating the NAZI party to today's Right wing in American politics. Nothing could have further from the truth.

Sorry if that pisses you off some. Oh, wait. No, I'm not sorry. Deal w/ it.

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Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:00 PM

BYTEMITE


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They were totalitarians , who gathered up the guns, just as Obama and company are trying to do today. They share more in common w/ the Left than the Right.

And that's no lie.



Are we doing this argument again?

Come on guys, the Nazis do not fall anywhere on the modern political spectrum, and arguably have elements of both extreme right wing AND extreme left wing. Which is why they called themselves the NATIONAL SOCIALISTS.

They were nationalists, which means xenophobic warmongering dickwads, their economic structure was based on a corporate monopoly meritocracy (the fiscal right wing aspect), they believed with religious christian fervor that they were the rightful inheritors of the Holy Roman Empire (the religious right wing), but they had social policies and benefits and health care and government programs for card carrying members of the party (the socialist aspect).

But comparing modern socialists to Nazis is as faulty and inaccurate as comparing the right wing to Nazis.

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Friday, December 27, 2013 2:36 AM

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Agreed, I believe the meaning is as you have so smartly discovered in your Google search:

The meaning being for a penitent man to humble himself before God, and how do you do that? As in Indiana Jones Last Crusade, you bow down, you lower yourself, before God and man. And you cannot be humble if you behave superior toward others. If it is "camel," then one lowers himself by dismounting the camel he is riding, a kind of "getting off his high horse."

Many is the time I've come across "Christians" who have smugly referred to themselves as saved, a kind of chosen people, special and privileged to save "you" from a fate worse than death. I've been told by a close relative that she wants me to join her in heaven. She's assuming an awful lot. That is not Christian-like. I've often heard that Christians should lead by example, much like that of a mother and father leading their children by the example of how they live their lives.

This is what the Pope is talking about.


SGG


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oh what a simple google can reveal -

wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_a_needle

Christianity

"The eye of a needle" is scripture quoted by Jesus recorded in the synoptic gospels:

I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:23-26

Parallel versions appear in Mark 10:24-25, and Luke 18:24-25.

The saying was a response to a young rich man who had asked Jesus what he needed to do in order to inherit eternal life. Jesus replied that he should keep the commandments, to which the man stated he had done. Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." The young man became sad and was unwilling to do this. Jesus then spoke this response, leaving his disciples astonished.

The "eye of the needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed. This story has been put forth since at least the 15th century, and possibly as far back as the 9th century. However, there is no evidence for the existence of such a gate.[3][4]

Variations on this story include that of ancient inns having small entrances to thwart thieves, or a story of an old mountain pass known as the "eye of the needle", so narrow that merchants would have to dismount from their camels and were thus more vulnerable to waiting brigands. There is no historical evidence for any of these, either. This also ignores the explanation given in Matthew 19:26:“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Cyril of Alexandria claimed that "camel" is a Greek misprint; that kamêlos (camel) was a misprint of kamilos, meaning "rope" or "cable".[2][5] However evidence for such a Greek term is weak, there is little or no Greek manuscript support, and it goes against the standard principle of textual criticism that errors tend to happen towards the easier reading, not against it.


As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.



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Friday, December 27, 2013 2:52 AM

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Jesus spoke in parables, the meaning was, IMHO, to be interpreted by the reader. A rich man usually will not see the path to get to heaven because he is usually preoccupied focusing on obtaining, and keeping, his wealth, rather than on serving. In order to walk the path, you must "see" the path.

Dismounting and unloading the "camel" both lowers and unburdens you to serve. Less baggage to get through the eye of the needle. It makes seeing the path a little more possible to enable you to walk it. A great man once said; "There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."


SGG

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yep. Just as I said. "Some say" there's an alternate translation. Good ol Google, huh?

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Jesus was not a fan of gathering wealth in any form.


The point I was making wasn't that there may be an alternate lesson to be learned, but that the whole 'camel through the eye of a needle " MAY have meant something entirely different, to the people of the time, than it means to us today.

OR

It could mean exactly what it sounds like it means, as it was ( allegedly ) spoken some 2000 years ago.


Jesus would do as he did in his day... walked. And besides, sitting on the bus isn't 'driving'.

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Friday, December 27, 2013 9:43 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"You're making up a bizarre definition of what it means to be " religious " then." That's so funny, given from a few people's remarks he claims we all "worship" Obama and that AGW is a "religion". HIS "definition" of religion isn't at all bizarre, of course.

"I rarely " quote " Rush or Beck". As long as you don't use quotation marks, of course, it's not a quote. Another bizarre definition. It's true, tho'; I'll read something from Rap that I've not seen around, google it, and damned if a whole bunch of right-wing websites come up about it. So like Sig, I, too, know what the idiots are screaming about just by reading what Rap posts.

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They were nationalists, which means xenophobic warmongering dickwads, their economic structure was based on a corporate monopoly meritocracy (the fiscal right wing aspect), they believed with religious christian fervor that they were the rightful inheritors of the Holy Roman Empire (the religious right wing), but they had social policies and benefits and health care and government programs for card carrying members of the party (the socialist aspect).


Most excellent and succinct, Byte, thank you. Further,
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A majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as a form of far-right politics. Far-right themes in Nazism include the argument that superior people have a right to dominate over other people and purge society of supposed inferior elements.

The Nazis were strongly influenced by the post-World War I far-right in Germany, which held common beliefs such as anti-Marxism, anti-liberalism, and antisemitism, along with nationalism. A major inspiration for the Nazis were the far-right nationalist Freikorps, paramilitary organisations that engaged in political violence after World War I.

During the 1920s, Hitler urged disparate Nazi factions to unite in opposition to "Jewish Marxism". Hitler asserted that the "three vices" of "Jewish Marxism" were democracy, pacifism and internationalism. In 1930, Hitler said: "Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxist Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism



And I agree with Shiny about the interpretation of Jesus' teachings; "you cannot be humble if you behave superior toward others." The effort to re-interpret them (as in re-"translating" the bible) is pretty absurd, given pretty much the entire contents of the bible...certainly there are no doubt misunderstandings, but it would take misunderstandings of a pretty must astronomical scale to change it to mean what our righties wish it meant.

As a buddhist, I've had plenty of my own experiences with, shall we say "fervent" supposed Christians. Had one dog my heels on a mental-health forum for a couple of years...it was a very unpleasant experience, and her words to me were about as unchristian as any I've experienced. It's very sad that people like that can't see what they're doing, it's like SAYING you're "Christian" is all that's important, who you are and what you do has nothing to do with it.


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Friday, December 27, 2013 9:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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It's very sad that people like that can't see what they're doing, it's like SAYING you're "Christian" is all that's important, who you are and what you do has nothing to do with it.
It's the same as rappy getting all exercised about "terrorists" when the biggest terrorist organization in the world in the USA military and the second-biggest is the Israeli military.

No, they CAN'T see what they're doing. They engage in both "moral relativism" (Remember how that was a rightwing catch phrase several years ago? Another RW catch-phrase that seems to have gone the way of the dodo is "accountability". That's what happens when your catch-phrases catch up with you!) and "denial".

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Friday, December 27, 2013 10:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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You're making up a bizarre definition of what it means to be " religious " then
Nope. not at all. Here, let me quote Merriam Webster

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(1)(a) the state of a religious
(1)(b)(1) the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(1)(b)(2) commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
(2) a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
(3) archaic scrupulous conformity, conscientiousness
(4) a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion
YOUR articles of faith are "greed" and "the market", and your saints are Ayn Rand, Limbaugh, and Beck, and your Pope is the GOP President, who by definition can do no wrong. And you hold to those articles of faith so strongly that it doesn't matter WHAT happens in the real world or how much evidence piles up against you, just like one of those anti-evolution nut-cases who has to cherry-pick their way thru mountains of evidence just to "prove" their point.

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Citing folks is what many here scream is damn near mandatory when commenting about almost anything. I rarely " quote " Rush or Beck, thought I may make mention of them or cite them on certain topics. Being a conservative, it's not so far fetched that you'd go to me to see what a conservative thinks on certain issues.
You do far more than that. Nothing becomes a "topic" unless THEY make it a topic. You have NO IDEA WHAT TO THINK (for example, about the Saudis funding and promoting violent jihadism; and Israel going along with it) unless THEY tell you what to think. You're a mouthpiece who gets his talking points from Fox, without adding a jot of original thought.

In other words... in a term you understand... you're a bot.

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I'm no where near ' reich wing ', which itself is a gross misnomer, as the NAZI party were the SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY OF GERMANY, extremely LEFT wing.
And you don't understand anyone else in the political landscape. Long ago, in another thread far away, I left a blank for you to fill in where you think "the left" places Obama in the political landscape. You never did answer there, but you're getting warmish in this thread. Give it some thought. It might come to you.

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And yes, the GOP are simply better people than the Dims, so it makes perfect sense that I'd give them more latitude.
What is a person except for what she or he does? If you do terrible things, does that not make you a terrible person? So if you give someone "more latitude" in their actions, you're practicing that horrible sin that you used to accuse "the left" of: moral relativism. You whine about it all the time here. And yet, here you are... doing the same thing, and admitting it. But, of course, you give YOURSELF "more latitude" because YOU'RE a "better person" too. So you hold yourself to much lower standards that you hold everyone else, because your wealth makes you morally superior. And apparently, you hold yourself to a much lower standard of knowledge, which you demonstrate time and time again:
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I'm not ignorant about them [Nazis], and instead, I know a great deal about the history of that era.
Really? Then you should have known that the FIRST victims of the Nazis were the socialists. Yanno, judging by the complete vacuousness of your answers, talking to you is a total waste of time. But you are an interesting case, and a perfect demonstration of a total right wing authoritarian (ie jackboot licker) so ... hey, knock yourself out being the total ignorant douche that you are, so you can serve as an example and a warning to others.





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Saturday, December 28, 2013 10:07 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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They were totalitarians , who gathered up the guns, just as Obama and company are trying to do today. They share more in common w/ the Left than the Right.

Well at least you've backed down from your ridiculous position that the Nazis were extreme left wing, to a slightly less ridiculous position that Obama is a totalitarian.

Nazism is usually included within the 'fascism' bracket. There's a good section on Wiki about where fascism is on the political spectrum.

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Fascism is commonly described as far right"[33][34] although some writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult.[35][36][37][38][39]

Fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational.[37] A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things.[38][39] Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views.

Fascism is considered by certain scholars to be right-wing because of its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[40][41] Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the right, explaining that "the more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."[42]




It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:19 AM

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You know something Niki, the Bible has some rather interesting philosophies and life lessons, but ironically enough, it also has some rather mind-baffling contradictions sprinkled throughout.

There are those who choose to cherry pick and re-interpret, but it doesn't even come close to making it right - right wing maybe, but not right!

I've come across a few Christians who, in their fervor, made me feel totally uncomfortable and downright un-loved. I could never understand anyone being so overzealous as to totally alienate a person. Trouble is that they don't recognize when a body has no interest in their argument.
A lot of times they don't "see" what they're doing, and in others, they don't care. What comes to mind is your true statement that what matters most to them is saying that they're Christian, and how "special" they are.

On more than one occasion I've been told that I'm going to hell. In the words of the immortal "Church Lady" - "Now isn't that special!"


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Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:18 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, Shiny, the Bible obviously isn't right-wing ENOUGH for some conservatives...if you caught my thread about how they're re-"interpreting" the Bible to omit certain liberal things and re-write others with their "best Conservative words". That whole thing just blows my mind, tho' it shouldn't, in this day and age and the state of the country. Definitely "right wing maybe, but not right!"

As to "unloved", that made me snort...the woman I mentioned who chased me around a mental-health forum for over a year had no love inside her whatsoever when it came to her religion...aside from the sexism and wishing me death that I've gotten here, she could have held her own with some of my worst detractors. And oh, yeah, that I'm going to hell is a REGULAR one with the so-called "Christians" I've run across who've tried to "convert" me. What they're totally blind to is that by their very actions and words, I couldn't be LESS drawn to their "religion", ironically.

As mentioned, there's the corollary to Rap and his ilk on the right; the way they write and behave pretty much guarantees nobody would be attracted to their politics...and also the same, Rap's very statement makes it clear they have the same attitude: "And yes, the GOP are simply better people than the Dims, so it makes perfect sense that I'd give them more latitude." Pretty much says it all.

What's interesting about it is that I wonder if there are any centrists or liberals or whatever here who would make such a flat statement, in essence that Dems are "better people" than Republicans. I'll bet there aren't; if there are, shame on you. You should be better than that. Rap and his buddies, we know, aren't. Just like supposed "Christians" who think SAYING you're a Christian makes you "better" than others.


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Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:42 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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You're making up a bizarre definition of what it means to be " religious " then
Nope. not at all. Here, let me quote Merriam Webster

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(4) a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

YOUR articles of faith are "greed" and "the market", and your saints are Ayn Rand, Limbaugh, and Beck, and your Pope is the GOP President, who by definition can do no wrong. And you hold to those articles of faith so strongly that it doesn't matter WHAT happens in the real world or how much evidence piles up against you, just like one of those anti-evolution nut-cases who has to cherry-pick their way thru mountains of evidence just to "prove" their point.



Nope. You're completely wrong. It's not 'faith'. Perhaps you're unfamiliar w/ the word ' FREEDOM '. I'd not be surprised.



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Citing folks is what many here scream is damn near mandatory when commenting about almost anything. I rarely " quote " Rush or Beck, thought I may make mention of them or cite them on certain topics. Being a conservative, it's not so far fetched that you'd go to me to see what a conservative thinks on certain issues.
You do far more than that. Nothing becomes a "topic" unless THEY make it a topic. You have NO IDEA WHAT TO THINK (for example, about the Saudis funding and promoting violent jihadism; and Israel going along with it) unless THEY tell you what to think. You're a mouthpiece who gets his talking points from Fox, without adding a jot of original thought.

In other words... in a term you understand... you're a bot.



Nope. You're wrong again. Again.

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I'm no where near ' reich wing ', which itself is a gross misnomer, as the NAZI party were the SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY OF GERMANY, extremely LEFT wing.
And you don't understand anyone else in the political landscape. Long ago, in another thread far away, I left a blank for you to fill in where you think "the left" places Obama in the political landscape. You never did answer there, but you're getting warmish in this thread. Give it some thought. It might come to you.



Never answered because I never saw it. Nor does it matter. Just because he's failed to FULLY instil his leftist agenda, doesn't mean he's not a child of the Left. Mother was a socialist, his (bio)father a communist, raised by privileged Left wing parents, and from college on, ADMITTED to socializing entirely with Left wingers. He got his start into politics by buddying up with who ? BILL AYRES ! A radical, militant LEFT WINGER !

I swear, you can lead a Leftie to knowledge, but you can't force them to THINK for themselves.

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Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:08 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Nope. You're completely wrong. It's not 'faith'. Perhaps you're unfamiliar w/ the word ' FREEDOM '. I'd not be surprised.
Hmmm... apparently you don't understand the word "faith" either. From Merriam Webster

FAITH
1 (a) allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
1 b(1) fidelity to one's promises
1 b(2) sincerity of intentions
2 a(1) belief and trust in and loyalty to God
2 a(2) belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
2 b(1) firm belief in something for which there is no proof
2 b(2) complete trust

All you are able to do, apparently, is repeat the same words over and over, without any proof that they mean anything, or that they mean what YOU think they mean.

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In other words... in a term you understand... you're a bot. -signy
Nope. You're wrong again. Again. -rappy

Nyuh uh is your answer? No evidence that you have posted about anything that didn't come from Fox? No quotes which show you had an original thought, or deviated a millimeter from the party line? So... you're still a bot?

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Never answered because I never saw it. Nor does it matter. Just because he's failed to FULLY instil his leftist agenda, doesn't mean he's not a child of the Left. Mother was a socialist, his (bio)father a communist, raised by privileged Left wing parents, and from college on, ADMITTED to socializing entirely with Left wingers. He got his start into politics by buddying up with who ? BILL AYRES ! A radical, militant LEFT WINGER !
But Obama attended a Catholic school when he was young. Does that make him a Catholic? He attended an Indonesian public school. Does that make him Indonesian?

I judge people by what they DO, not where they lived or what they say. And what has Obama DONE that seems so socialist to you? Bail out banks? Negotiate free trade agreements? Where is this grand socialist agenda that you speak of? In other words, what evidence do you have... based on what Obama has done... that makes you think he's a radical "left winger" (assuming you even know what that is).

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Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:16 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Obama forced the banks, even those who didn't want to, to take Federal money. Spare me the " he did this, he did that " routine.

He's preached nothing but redistribution of wealth, dictating to others when HE THINKS they've made enough money, reliance on big govt, told others " You didn't build that " - when they absolutely did. He's skirted the law, bent it every which way to get things done as HE see fit, not as the Constitution allows, and he didn't even care enough to KNOW about the impact of raising the capital gains tax ! Said he didn't care if it brought in LESS money to the govt, because it " wasn't fair " that those who earned that money were allowed to KEEP IT !

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:24 PM

STORYMARK


Oh, look, another thread no longer about thew topic, and all about rappy and his deranged worldview.

Keep feeding to troll, folks. He loves it.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:26 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Nope, Rap's wrong. Everything he has, he got from right-wing sources whose job it is to twist things and lie to make them appear what they're not. None of what he wrote is true, and the statement "you didn't build that" is perfectly accurate--NOBODY "built" ANYTHING all by themselves, as he knows perfectly well...unless his brainwashing has proceeded so far that he's forgotten that entire discussion. Or more likely, like every other time he's been proven wrong, wiped it from his memory.

Many on the right, on the other hand, HAS "acted" as well as CLEARLY "spoken" that they are "superior to others", time and time again. Especially many "Christian" right wingers. And that's what is the topic of this discussion, despite Rap's obsession with making everything about "The Left" and spewing his lies about Obama.

Twist, twist, twist...works for him.


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