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Global Warming Researcher Gets Stuck ...

POSTED BY: AURAPTOR
UPDATED: Sunday, January 12, 2014 19:07
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Thursday, January 2, 2014 10:24 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Nope, but all the previous ones WERE--look at how much information you put up, at what valid points you made, and then look at every response from Rap. What else would you call it?



(I much appreciated the material you put up, by the way, but you just know Rap didn't read a word of it...his responses make that clear)



Oh well, they weren't for his benefit, they were those who can read and absorb information.



Quote:

As to "My understanding is that the opposition is paid for by industries who have a vested interest in not making changes because those changes will affect their profit margins." Yes, that's well known...which is why Rap keeps repeating that global warming ITSELF is a "political scam"...perfect misdirection; accuse the other guy of doing what you are. But the truth is...




Yes, that's exactly it. very frustrating.

Just reading Enders Game for the first time. Can't say I am enjoying it, but one thing the author got right, years before it happened, is how information can be manipulated. And that is what we are seeing right now, some masterful media manipulators. In this case, by those whose best interests are served by preserving the status quo. No guesses to who they might be...

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 10:42 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


(I can't read all of your text, it didn't wrap. It's a problem I've had with posting quotes for quite some time now...if you put another "close quotes" in, it will probably wrap. I, for one, DO read what you post.)

And, just 'cuz:




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Friday, January 3, 2014 12:29 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I took out your gif and it seems to be okay

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Friday, January 3, 2014 9:18 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


(Yeah, that'll do it too (thanx); seems to be some kind of glitch after a link is posted at the end of a quote...or something, I dunno. Been struggling with it for months now, kind of accepted "that's how it is." Didn't think about it, but I could have "replied with quote" too...duh...)

And now that I can read it, from what I was able to make out before, I knew I'd agree completely.


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Friday, January 3, 2014 9:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Just because one puts up volumes of propaganda doesn't mean I have to acknowledge it as "fact". Seriously, for all the mountains of " evidence ", the AGW types ignore the basic facts.

The planet isn't getting warmer. Hasn't been doing so for quite some time. Well over a decade. The Arctic ice loss is explained by other means than mere higher temperatures. Wind, for instance.Climate goes in cycles, which has next to nothing to do w/ man kind.

Beyond feel-goodieness of taxing folks and redistributing the wealth, there are no actual tangible solutions to the perceived AGW problem. Even the vaunted scientific community admits as much .

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, January 3, 2014 9:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...





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Friday, January 3, 2014 11:43 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Mars colder than Earth

In northern Minnesota right now, the temperature has dipped to a staggering -42 F. The chill is running so deep in the North Star State that it’s not only colder than in the lands above the Arctic Circle, it’s actually colder than some of the daily temperatures on Mars—you know, the planet 78 million miles further from the Sun on average.


http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/smartnews/2014/01/this-cold-snap-is-ma
king-it-colder-than-the-surface-of-mars
/

According to the Curiosity Rover, Mars reached a maximum air temperature of -29°C today.
Winnipeg's high was... fb.me/3CnNY08v7


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, January 3, 2014 1:02 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:





With that fool, assume both.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, January 3, 2014 4:45 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I didn't know fox news was now considered a scientific community?

Whowoodathort?

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Friday, January 3, 2014 8:13 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




All this proves is how political is today's " science". That 94% consider themselves 'Democrats' is very telling. For them, it's more about the politics than the actual science.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, January 3, 2014 8:16 PM

REAVERFAN


It's just that smart people tend to be more liberal.

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Friday, January 3, 2014 8:18 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
It's just that smart people tend to be more liberal.



False.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, January 3, 2014 8:26 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Which is at least a far better move than out right changing their tune from 'global warming' to a more obscure, easily pliable 'climate change'.


Oh, jeez, you just can't accept facts, can you?

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Friday, January 3, 2014 8:45 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Which is at least a far better move than out right changing their tune from 'global warming' to a more obscure, easily pliable 'climate change'.


Oh, jeez, you just can't accept facts, can you?



All I do IS deal in fact. I'm not swayed by popular public sentiment.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, January 3, 2014 10:43 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
All I do IS deal in fact. I'm not swayed by popular public sentiment.





I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, January 3, 2014 10:48 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...





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Saturday, January 4, 2014 12:17 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




More evidence for global warming. 2014

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, January 4, 2014 1:39 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Now the Chinese ice breaker is stuck. Well climate change does predict more violent, unpredictable weather, I guess we are see it.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, January 4, 2014 1:54 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Now the Chinese ice breaker is stuck. Well climate change does predict more violent, unpredictable weather, I guess we are see it.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Yes.We are see it.

And all your base are belong to us.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, January 4, 2014 3:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.






As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies

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Saturday, January 4, 2014 3:36 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Nick; I hope they get everyone safely home. What a mess!


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Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hey Niki

If other people want to post to rappy - so what? And personally, I find Story quite funny, and other people come up with quite amusing posts as well. (Whatever happened to Kwicko - do you know? I miss his posts.) Personally, I just scroll past rappy unless I catch a post at the bottom of a thread, and then I automatically post my canned reply. But what other people care to do is no business of mine.
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2




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Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


More "Troll " News...

The US Coast Guard is being sent to rescue the Chinese who were sent to rescue the Russians....

You can't make this stuff up.

U.S. Coast Guard Deploys Icebreaker Ship to Dislodge Vessels Frozen in Antarctic

Equipped with specialized icebreaking bow



Coast Guard Deploys Icebreaker Ship to Dislodge Vessels Frozen in Antarctic | TIME.com http://world.time.com/2014/01/04/u-s-coast-guard-deploys-icebreaker-sh
ip-to-dislodge-vessels-frozen-in-antarctic/#ixzz2pT6EZWk3



Curse you global warming!!!! Arghh!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.






RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!

As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies

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Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


That cartoon chick looks kinda hot, actually.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://beyondthehague.com/2017/08/31/incitement-hate-speech-and-the-p
reventive-function-of-the-international-criminal-court
/
http://freespeechdebate.com/discuss/when-does-hate-speech-become-dange
rous-the-link-between-words-and-violence-in-rwanda-and-kenya
/

I think you should read these indictments - the genuine originals - rather than continue to steep your brain in US media swill. https://www.justice.gov/sco

You'll find that in regards to the non-Russian nationals like Manafort, zero charges have anything to do with Trump or the election.



Quote:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62424&mid=1
054245#1054245
Originally posted by second:
Every tweet is like another slice of chocolate cake for me. Every failure is delicious. Trump is entertaining me and paying me with tax cuts. He might even be damaging the GOP's election chances, which is a great thing.





http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthreaduser.aspx?u=49918


So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?


Nothing tells me more that you and wishi put together are as dumb as a box of rocks than your whole approach to this topic.

You have the resources of the internet at your fingertips.

When this topic first came up, did EITHER of you bother to look up YOUR PERSONAL LIABILITY for what you post? No. Of course not. You got together with the other laughing hyenas here, and in your infinite wisdom, decided that since this is an anonymous site, you're protected. And you doubled down on STUPID.

And when I brought up the possibility of YOUR PERSONAL LIABILITY BEARING DOWN ON YOU, did EITHER of you bother to look up YOUR PERSONAL LIABILITY then? No. Of course not. You ASSumed nothing was going to happen. And you doubled down on stupid. Again.

Did EITHER of you do a simple google search for 'lawyer internet libel'? No. Of course not. Because IF YOU HAD you would have seen page after page after page of lawyers making a thriving business going after people like you.

Maybe even a year or two ago I would have had a harder time finding a lawyer. But today, I can have my pick. And did.

And if this makes you unhappy - remember. YOU WERE WARNED. You had MULTIPLE chances to start acting like a merely averagely decent human being instead of troll. Now, it's too late. You're fucked.


You know who you are.
•assume•

It's a shame.

You proved yourselves completely incapable of fact-based, civil, HONEST discussion. The ONLY reason you come here now - is to troll. Without it, you have nothing to say.

And the ONLY thing that gave you pause is a credible and fully-meant threat.

You've rationalized away everything that made you decent. You've gone past self-reflection. You've traveled beyond shame. You've become mindless, reflexive, rabid hyenas.

You are really fucked up. And you did it to yourselves. Congratulations.


Signy

I, and you, have been giving ample opportunity to the trolls to understand the legal and financial hole they're digging themselves into. Sometimes it takes one, or two, or tree, or four, or five times, or more, to get the information across.

For example, it took at least fives times for JO to understand that being on an anonymous website IS NOT LEGAL PROTECTION. And, IN CALIFORNIA, being an anonymous website actually extends the statute of limitations beyond one year, up to indefinitely. Whether or not he gets it now, after so MANY repetitions, remains to be seen.

THUGGER doesn't seem to understand that he is liable for his past posts, which are safely stored in a database, on a server, ready to be recovered on command by a court order. He seems to think all he needs to do is bluster his way past you and me, in the here and now.

And what NOBODY understands at this point is that Haken, legally, doesn't give a shit about protecting anyone. As long as Haken doesn't participate, Haken has ZERO liability. Haken has no financial incentive to protect anyone, or withhold, or alter information. Indeed, he has a powerful financial disincentive. I'm sure he doesn't want his personal finances put at risk protecting the THUGGER.















"All the overwhelming evidence being uncovered daily that he did (collude with Russia)."

Really. Post just one.

I dare you.



But anyway GEEBERS, let's get back to your RUSSIA ! obsession. You've been squeezing out anti-Russia propaganda threads every week or so, not to mention the hundreds on hundreds of anti-Russia posts.

And aside from that, you're an everyday sadist.

Do you have mental health issues?


http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60145&p=4#1
038334


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Hey there JSF - you seem to have run away from a thread where you made yourself look like a lying sack of shit AND an idiot! But I'm still waiting for an answer to MY question. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61874&p=2

Did you ever notice that 'SECONDS' never starts a thread of its own, but instead constantly hijacks other threads? What a troll.

troll, troll, troll your crap
snarkly down the screen
nastily, nastily, nastly, nastily,
you're a trollers dream
Quote:

People tend to freeze even when not in disasters. They can't think their way out, even if given months, years, decades to plan a sensible, reasonable escape from their difficulties. Instead, they hope for miracles: win the lottery or a heroic president comes to their rescue or God touches them or a long lost relative leaves them a fortune or Hollywood discovers their talents, etc.
It's true, people DO freeze and can't think their way out of ... anything. And they DO rely on non-productive voodoo instead.

For example, take a look at SECOND. Frozen like a victim in fear of the hypnotic Trump cobra, SECOND can't even post one reasonable post about where we are, and what to do about it - instead relying on magical repeated recitations of the anti-Trump litanies in order to, somehow, make it all better.


More pointless trolling. It's apparently all I have left.





:poop:

:moon:
:angel:
:yawn:
:butt:





DIPSHIT JACKASS

red green blue purple orange yellow skyblue teal turquoise lightblue puce

rose

So, what are you going to do about it? Whine some more? Carp some more? Pout some more? Yeah. That'll work. (not)


_________________________________________________________________

because he's a fucking crazy stupid lying nutjob asshole.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60278&mid=1
016814#1016814

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60278&mid=1
016816#1016816

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60278&mid=1
016817#1016817

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60278&mid=1
016818#1016818


dick

If you see me as father time
Then I shall respond in kind
If you see me as the Reaper


Granted, it's hard to find a source that backs up off-topic posts, ad hominem attacks and fabrications. And that SHOULD be your first clue that you're going off the rails - that you can't find anything BASED IN REALITY that supports what you post. But, not you. You're too 'smart' for that. And I'm being ironic btw, in case you didn't get it.
But, enough about you and your foibles. It's boring.

THUGGR

Humanitarian. (snicker)
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58208&p=5
kiki - And meanwhile, to understand the role of capitalism in improving life FOR THE MASSES you'll note here that the greatest gains in life expectancy in China - for women from 45 to 63, and for men from 44 to 64 - came between the years 1950 and 1972.
THUGGR - Your (sic) a fucking moron: who gives a shit?


and the epitome of evidence and reason
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58499&p=29#
1003717

and here is your cite

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...


_________________________________________________________________
Here's 'G', protesting Kiev shelling cities and civilians
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58499&p=14
I think they should be brined and roasted before they are shelled.



Here's 'G', protesting Kiev shelling cities and civilians, in his own words:

I think they should be brined and roasted before they are shelled.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58499&p=14


I invite everyone to examine the thread to find 'G' offering a genuine protest, no matter how faint or indirect, to the atrocities.

    «financial vulture»
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http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58499&p=7
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RapFact®

Kiki
Saturday, June 28, 2014 8:20 PM
... the greatest gains in life expectancy in China - for women from 45 to 63, and for men from 44 to 64 - came between the years 1950 and 1972.
THUGGR
Saturday, June 28, 2014 8:21 PM
Your (sic) a fucking moron: who gives a shit?


THUGGR

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So you REALLY DON'T CARE if the vast majority of people live short miserable lives while very few are astronomically wealthy and powerful, or if instead the vast majority have decent lives to look forward to. Well, now we know what you stand for.

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Your (sic) a fucking moron: who gives a shit?
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"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
____________________________________________________________

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect.
It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
____________________________________________________________


"Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled." Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Saturday, January 4, 2014 5:12 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


There's an entire forum for you to " try out " stuff. It suits you very well, too. TROLL COUNTRY.

please make a note of it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, January 4, 2014 5:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies


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Saturday, January 4, 2014 7:23 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


A long article from the Guardian, but an interesting one. I know its too many big words for some...but nevertheless have posted it.

Quote:



The last 24 hours have been sobering. I am sitting in the comfort of a cabin on board the Australian icebreaker the Aurora Australis, one day after evacuating the Australasian Antarctic Expedition from our Russian-crewed vessel, the MV Akademik Shokalskiy. After sleepless nights thinking about keeping everyone safe, it is a relief to know everyone is on board the Aurora and well.

In this little haven of civilisation surrounded by a chaotic jumble of white to the horizon, everyone is taking stock of being locked in sea ice for 10 days. We are all incredibly grateful for the bravery of our Russian crew, the courage of Captain Jianzhong Wang on the Chinese icebreaker Xue Long – which itself now appears to be stuck – and the wonderful perseverance of the Australian icebreaker Aurora Australis.

There is relief, but there is also frustration over what appears to be a misrepresentation of the expedition in some news outlets and on the internet. We have been accused of being a tourist trip with little scientific value; of being ill-prepared for the conditions; putting our rescuers at risk; and making light of a dangerous situation. Others have remarked on what they describe as the "irony" of climate researchers stuck in unexpected ice.

I would like to address some of the issues that have been raised, but more importantly highlight the potential this region has for research and the value of getting the public engaged in science.

The aim of the Australasian Antarctic Expedition (AAE) is to lead a multidisciplinary research programme in one of the most scientifically exciting regions of our planet, straddling the Southern Ocean and East Antarctic. Using the latest in satellite technology, we are beaming images, movies and text in an attempt to excite the public about science and exploration, inspired by one of the most scientifically successful efforts in the Antarctic: the Australasian Antarctic Expedition of 1911-1914, led by British-born Sir Douglas Mawson. Starting out at the unbelievably young age of 28, Mawson managed to raise £39,000 in a year – equivalent to some $20-25m today. With this he kitted out an entire ship to discover what lay south of Australia.

His research bases, populated by scientists and members of the public, straddled thousands of kilometres along a previously unknown coastline, and communicated their findings back to Australia using the latest radio technology. His effort laid the foundations for modern Antarctic research while his tales of adventures and discoveries electrified the public.

Inspired by Mawson's efforts, friend and colleague Chris Fogwill and I decided to attempt a similar venture on a smaller scale. In spite of a century of work, huge gaps in knowledge remain across the region investigated by the original expedition. To tackle these questions we spent the last two years building a team of experts keen to work with individuals outside their area of expertise. Meetings were held and questions honed. We decided, for instance, that among many other things we would investigate the circulation of the Southern Ocean and its impact on the global carbon cycle and the potential for new records of past climate change using tree ring and peat sequences on the subantarctic islands.

One hundred years ago, Mawson and his team sailed to their Antarctic base at Commonwealth Bay. Today Mawson's Huts lie behind 65 kilometres of sea ice, the result of a 2010 collision between an enormous berg known as B09B and the Mertz Glacier Tongue. As a result of this clash, B09B lodged itself on the seabed of Commonwealth Bay, changing the circulation of the area dramatically. No one knows what impact this event has had on the wildlife. Penguin and seal populations, their feeding patterns and the first underwater surveys of life in Commonwealth Bay have been a part of the expedition. We worked on our research programme with the Australian Antarctic Division and other bodies and the expedition was considered significant enough to be given the official stamp of approval. Climate change was part of our programme but the AAE is much more.

The six-week expedition was split into two legs, the first focusing on the New Zealand subantarctics, the second the Southern Ocean and the immediate area around Mawson's Huts at Commonwealth Bay. As the expedition traversed the Southern Ocean, oceanographic measurements were made, weather conditions recorded, trawls of the surface taken and bird counts noted; while on the subantarctic islands, teams cored trees, dug peat sections, investigated bird burrows and underwater surveys were made in the shallows. Many were firsts for the region.

The amount of data we collected far exceeded our expectations and we returned to New Zealand for the second leg in high spirits. The pace of work continued when we returned south. For instance, the oceanographer on the AAE, Dr Erik van Sebille, led the combined deployment of Argo floats and drifter buoys in the sea – another first for the region – beaming their location at regular intervals to help complete the view of our planet's ocean circulation; a legacy of the expedition that will last years after our return. During the expedition we pioneered a new route into the huts and were able to deliver two large teams to work in the area, including undertaking important conservation work on the huts. The AAE is not a jolly tourist trip as some have claimed, nor is it a re-enactment. The AAE is inspired by Mawson but is primarily a science expedition; it will be judged by its peer-reviewed publications.

Unfortunately, events unfolded which no amount of preparation can mitigate. To provide a comparison with the samples we collected in the Mawson Hut area, we relocated the vessel to the Mertz Glacier area in the east, a major driver of ocean circulation and importantly an area where the continent is closer to the sea ice edge. Late on 23 December, we returned to the Shokalskiy. We had completed our work programme on the continent and were heading north into open water to continue the oceanographic work on the return home.

Unluckily for us, there appears to have been a mass breakout of thick, multiyear sea ice on the other side of the Mertz Glacier; years after the loss of the Mertz Glacier tongue. There was nothing to suggest this event was imminent. We have had regular updates on the state of the sea ice in the area and had been monitoring the region for the last year. We also had regular weather forecasts from two different sources: one from the Australian Antarctic Division base at Casey and the other a European company called Meteoexploration used by expeditioners. Both forecasts suggested consistent conditions.

The forecasts were correct, but it was soon clear that the armadas of ice that started to appear were thick and old. Captain Igor tried to beat a path to open water but the size of the sea ice overwhelmed the Shokalskiy. In places the ice was three metres thick with little open water to push aside. With the southeasterly winds, the ice would not budge and we were caught just two to four miles from the sea-ice edge. Getting stuck is not unusual for ships here. The vessel we are on now, the Aurora Australis, was stuck for four weeks earlier in the season.

Let's be clear. Us becoming locked in ice was not caused by climate change. Instead it seems to have been an aftershock of the arrival of iceberg B09B which triggered a massive reconfiguration of sea ice in the area.

Once we realised we were trapped for several days, the key thing was to keep team members positive. The science work continued, lectures were given, classes offered, walks on the ice took place and Christmas and New Year's Eve provided a chance to keep people's minds off their surroundings. The worse-case scenario was an iceberg striking the vessel, although none were close. There was no danger of the ship's hull being crushed by the ice floes surrounding us.

The rescue itself, like any operation in the Antarctic, entailed some risk to our rescuers, but vessels always look out for one another in the Antarctic. As the Aurora's captain Murray Doyle put it: "It's part of the programme of people working down here. We have to rely on each other if something goes wrong. You're too far away from anything else."

Morale remained high. The media interest helped. Twice-daily briefings on the situation were accompanied by reports from the media at home and overseas. Interviews the team gave provided a chance to reassure those at home that all were well but also describe our science work, much of which was followed up online using the expedition website and social media, such as G+, Twitter, Vine and Facebook. In spite of the situation we found ourselves in, the AAE had a conversation with the public about science, exploration and Mawson. There really does remain a passion for these subjects. Sadly though, there seems to be a few people who have just caught the last few days of the conversation.

Chris Turney is leader of the Australasian Antarctic Expedition 2013-2014, professor at the University of New South Wales and author of 1912: The Year The World Discovered Antarctica.



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Saturday, January 4, 2014 7:56 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Very interesting. I had no idea this had happened: "One hundred years ago, Mawson and his team sailed to their Antarctic base at Commonwealth Bay. Today Mawson's Huts lie behind 65 kilometres of sea ice, the result of a 2010 collision between an enormous berg known as B09B and the Mertz Glacier Tongue" or that "Us becoming locked in ice ... seems to have been an aftershock of the arrival of iceberg B09B which triggered a massive reconfiguration of sea ice in the area."
The awesome things one can learn here.

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Saturday, January 4, 2014 8:09 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


http://www.antarctica.gov.au/media/news/2011/mertz-glacier-under-the-m
icroscope


Some great satelitte footage of the iceberg hitting the mertz glacier tongue.

I love Antarctica

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Saturday, January 4, 2014 8:12 PM

REAVERFAN


So, we can put this to bed. Rappy's wrong, yet again.

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Saturday, January 4, 2014 8:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Magons: from your link



Iceberg B09B approaches the Mertz Glacier tongue
Photo: Neal Young



B09B makes contact with the glacier tongue.
Photo: Neal Young



The glacier tongue breaks off
Photo: Neal Young


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Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
So, we can put this to bed. Rappy's wrong, yet again.



Wrong about getting stuck in the ice ? Not hardly.

Meanwhile... South East US braces for single digit lows.

Quote:



US braces for coldest weather in decades

SIOUX FALLS (South Dakota) — Bitterly cold temperatures blowing into the American Midwest and North-east in the coming days are likely to set records, disrupt schools along with airports and endanger those who go outside without proper clothing.

The frigid air will continue early this week, funnelled as far south as the Gulf Coast because of what one meteorologist called a “polar vortex”, a counter-clockwise-rotating pool of cold, dense air.

“It’s just a large area of very cold air that comes down, forms over the North Pole or polar regions ... usually stays in Canada, but this time it’s going to come all the way into the eastern United States,” said National Weather Service meteorologist Phillip Schumacher in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

The forecasts are startling: Minus 31°C in Fargo, North Dakota, minus 35°C in International Falls, Minnesota, and minus 26°C in Indianapolis and Chicago. At those temperatures, exposed skin can get frostbitten in minutes and hypothermia can quickly set in as wind chills may reach minus 45.5°C, minus 51°C or even minus 56.7°C.

http://www.todayonline.com/world/americas/us-braces-coldest-weather-de
cades








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Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies


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Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:05 PM

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Tomorrow's local forecast...

High 43
low 5



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Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies

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Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:37 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/cold-
snow-climate-change.html


"For years, climate contrarians have pointed to snowfall and cold weather to question the scientific reality of human-induced climate change.

Such misinformation obscures the work scientists are doing to figure out just how climate change is affecting weather patterns year-round.

Understanding what scientists know about these effects can help us adapt. And, if we reduce the emissions that are driving climate change, we can dramatically reduce the pace of change and better prepare for the consequences in the future.

What is the relationship between weather and climate?

Weather is what’s happening outside the door right now; today a snowstorm or a thunderstorm is approaching. Climate, on the other hand, is the pattern of weather measured over decades."

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:38 PM

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Cold in winter, hot in summer.

Got it.

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Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:44 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Ah who gives a f*ck, lets just keep screwing up the place without thought to consequences. I mean who needs renewable, clean energy sources. I want my grandkids to live in a giant toilet *ahem* bathroom.


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Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:53 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Common things climate change skeptics say

1. This is a conspiracy by a group of environmentalistics and main stream media

(why? where is the vested interest other than being something they are concerned about...unlike a whole range of industries especially engery companies who have vested interest in keeping the status quo)

2. It's not as bad as it is being made out to be

(so? why not prepare for the worst and if it doesn't happen, you have a world producing less greenhouse emmissions and cleaner energy. Where is the problem?)

3. It's not entirely man made

(So what if that is true, we should at least be not contributing further to a natural phenomenom that will have dramatic global impact, as well as planning for it)

4. There's nothing we can do that will impact on it anyway, so why bother (a particularly galling australian argument)

(so lets do nothing then, and wait for the world to fall apart. What about showing a bit of leadership?)

5. Ha ha, a snowstorm. So much for global warming.

(because if it's cold somewhere, the whole theory falls apart according to these dolts)


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Sunday, January 5, 2014 11:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You know that even if you make his reply look as asinine as it truly is, he'll keep posting the same old shit --- right? That ALL he's doing is trolling --- right?

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Sunday, January 5, 2014 11:17 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Meh. I don't respond to him in particular.

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Sunday, January 5, 2014 11:25 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Oh, OK!

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Monday, January 6, 2014 6:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Ah who gives a f*ck, lets just keep screwing up the place without thought to consequences. I mean who needs renewable, clean energy sources. I want my grandkids to live in a giant toilet *ahem* bathroom.




ahh... ever the pipe dream of the anti-capitalists.




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Monday, January 6, 2014 9:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

1. This is a conspiracy by a group of environmentalistics and main stream media

(why? where is the vested interest other than being something they are concerned about...unlike a whole range of industries especially engery companies who have vested interest in keeping the status quo.



Yeah, Magons, that's the one that always makes me shake my head and smile when they come out with the bullshit about climate change being a hoax for (Gore of course) to make money off. They never answer WHY the people you mentioned spend A BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR to fight the very NOTION that there might be a problem with the climate. I wonder what that is? These aren't exactly selfless folk with the country's best interests at heart. Some, like Koch, have learned now to profit from BOTH ENDS of the spectrum, making billions off oil and then more billions of our tax dollars from the government for CLEANING UP their messes...I'm sure they have no vested interest in the status quo, right?








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Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:08 PM

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America loves a winner!


Love his take on all this...


Frozen to their doomsday narrative like Jeff Daniels with his tongue stuck to the ski lift in Dumb and Dumber, the Big Climate enforcers will still not brook anyone rocking their boat. In December 2008 Al Gore predicted the ‘entire North Polar ice cap will be gone in five years’. That would be December last year. Oh, sure, it’s still here, but he got the general trend-line correct, didn’t he? Arctic sea ice, December 2008: 12.5 million square kilometres; Arctic sea ice, December 2013: 12.5 million square kilometres.

Quote:


Mark Steyn: Global warming's glorious ship of fools

Yes, yes, just to get the obligatory ‘of courses’ out of the way up front: of course ‘weather’ is not the same as ‘climate’; and of course the thickest iciest ice on record could well be evidence of ‘global warming’, just as 40-and-sunny and a 35-below blizzard and 12 degrees and partly cloudy with occasional showers are all apparently manifestations of ‘climate change’; and of course the global warm-mongers are entirely sincere in their belief that the massive carbon footprint of their rescue operation can be offset by the planting of wall-to-wall trees the length and breadth of Australia, Britain, America and continental Europe.

But still: you’d have to have a heart as cold and unmovable as Commonwealth Bay ice not to be howling with laughter at the exquisite symbolic perfection of the Australasian Antarctic Expedition ‘stuck in our own experiment’, as they put it. I confess I was hoping it might all drag on a bit longer and the cultists of the ecopalypse would find themselves drawing straws as to which of their number would be first on the roasting spit. On Douglas Mawson’s original voyage, he and his surviving comrade wound up having to eat their dogs. I’m not sure there were any on this expedition, so they’d probably have to make do with the Guardian reporters. Forced to wait a year to be rescued, Sir Douglas later recalled, ‘Several of my toes commenced to blacken and fester near the tips.’ Now there’s a man who’s serious about reducing his footprint.

But alas, eating one’s shipmates and watching one’s extremities drop off one by one is not a part of today’s high-end eco-doom tourism. Instead, the ice-locked warmists uploaded chipper selfies to YouTube, as well as a self-composed New Year singalong of such hearty un-self-awareness that it enraged even such party-line climate alarmists as Andrew Revkin, the plonkingly earnest enviro-blogger of the New York Times. A mere six weeks ago, pumping out the usual boosterism, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation reported that, had Captain Scott picked his team as carefully as Professor Chris Turney, he would have survived. Sadly, we’ll never know — although I’ll bet Captain Oates would have been doing his ‘I am going out. I may be some time’ line about eight bars into that New Year number.




http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9112201/ship-of-fools-2/




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Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies

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Sunday, January 12, 2014 5:39 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


actually, no. I've not.

I posted a follow up in my own thread , per the actual topic at hand.

Trollette.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, January 12, 2014 5:50 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Kiki, you have to resist the temptation to respond to him AT ALL...remember,



ANY response encourages him...hell, he even responds to HIMSELF when he doesn't get one, it's what he lives for, remember? Soooo...




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