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Colorado River Lowest In 1,300 Years; Climate Deniers Keep It Up

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Monday, January 6, 2014 9:02 PM

NIKI2

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The sinuous Colorado River and its slew of man-made reservoirs from the Rockies to southern Arizona are being sapped by 14 years of drought nearly unrivaled in 1,250 years.

The once broad and blue river has in many places dwindled to a murky brown trickle. Reservoirs have shrunk to less than half their capacities, the canyon walls around them ringed with white mineral deposits where water once lapped. Seeking to stretch their allotments of the river, regional water agencies are recycling sewage effluent, offering rebates to tear up grass lawns and subsidizing less thirsty appliances from dishwashers to shower heads.

But many experts believe the current drought is only the harbinger of a new, drier era in which the Colorado’s flow will be substantially and permanently diminished.

Reclamation officials say there is a 50-50 chance that by 2015, Lake Mead’s water will be rationed to states downstream. That, too, has never happened before.

“If Lake Mead goes below elevation 1,000” — 1,000 feet above sea level — “we lose any capacity to pump water to serve the municipal needs of seven in 10 people in the state of Nevada,” said John Entsminger, the senior deputy general manager of the Southern Nevada Water Authority.

Since 2008, Mr. Entsminger’s agency has been drilling an $817 million tunnel under Lake Mead — a third attempt to capture more water as two higher tunnels have become threatened by the lake’s falling level. In September, faced with the prospect that one of the tunnels could run dry before the third one was completed, the authority took emergency measures: still another tunnel, this one to stretch the life of the most threatened intake until construction of the third one is finished.

And most experts agree that the basin will get even drier: A brace of global-warming studies ( http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/BAMS-D-12-00228.1) concludes that rising temperatures will reduce the Colorado’s average flow after 2050 by five to 35 percent, even if rainfall remains the same — and most of those studies predict that rains will diminish. Much more at http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/us/colorado-river-drought-forces-a-p
ainful-reckoning-for-states.html?hpw&rref=us&_r=0#h
]

Are the canaries in the coal mines chirping? Read about rampant air and water pollution in China and you would say they are. Not if you listen to Fox News, though. This week the bimbos and bozos at Fox were focused on record low temperatures across the U. S. What did these lows prove? Yes! Changes in daily weather proved climate change was a hoax! Writing for Fox, Cal Thomas blasted “climate change cultists,” last September, too. ( http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/20/climate-change-cultists-vs-s
cientific-evidence
/)

We could try to rebut the idiots. It wouldn’t do any good. Scientists study the steady northward march of mangrove trees along the Florida coast ( http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/02/3849109/floridas-mangroves-are-m
aking.html
). They say it’s another sign of climate change. The right thinks scientists with their satellite photos are faking it all. Pine trees are dying in New Jersey because of beetle infestations ( http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/02/science/earth/in-new-jersey-pines-tr
ouble-arrives-on-six-legs.html
). Scientists say temperatures of 8° below zero are needed to kill beetle eggs. In recent years the state has been too warm. More liars! Pine forests in Utah and across the West dry up and catch fire for the same reason ( http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52405086-78/trees-forests-beetles-fo
rest.html.csp
). Again, right-wingers miss the point.

In 2012 the Arctic ice cap shrinks to its smallest extent in thousands of years ( http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/arctic-ice-cap-shrinks-
to-lowest-level-yet-recorded-20120826-24ukq.html
). The right claims NASA scientists who release the data are making it up. In 2013, New Zealand has its second-hottest year ever ( http://www.3news.co.nz/2013-NZs-second-hottest-year-on-record/tabid/11
60/articleID/327285/Default.aspx
). Australia reports its hottest year on record. Hey, Fox News viewers, did you notice how cold it was in Chicago last night? In 2011, the U. N. reports that nine of the ten hottest years ever recorded have all occurred in the previous decade ( https://na.unep.net/geas/getUNEPPageWithArticleIDScript.php?article_id
=53
).

And Koch Brothers keep pouring that money into disinformation campaigns, and so it goes...

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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:46 AM

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The Gulf coast in GA use to extend up to Macon GA.

The Earth's climate and land change, over time.

Undeniable truth.

Deal w/ it.

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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:26 AM

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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:58 AM

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It's funny how the extremists try to twist the language to win arguments.

First, it's "global warming" . Then it becomes 'climate change', when it's fact that climate constantly IS changing.

Now, it's just "climate deniers ".

What next...air deniers ? You can't have a reasonable discussion if you keep changing the language. And that's the point. The left wants it their way, no questions asked. Disagree with them, and you're a " troll ", and nothing else.

Talk about a childish mentality.

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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 10:25 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Niki, as climate change effects more and more people that few who deign the man's activities are part of the cause are going to get harder and harder to hear.

I could have sworn I heard one in here but I can't find anything.

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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 12:45 PM

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Yeah, I thought I heard something too, but I think it was just some troll growling under the bridge. But the LOUD ones in the public eye are still out there, making fools of themselves, and will continue to be:
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‘Amateur Paleontologist’ Gingrich Accuses Climate Scientists of ‘Hubris’

With conservative commentators like Fox’s Stuart Varney using this winter’s unusually cold temperatures to deny global warming, CNN’s Crossfire held a climate change debate Monday that pitted advocate against skeptic. But things really got interesting when self-described “amateur paleontologist” Newt Gingrich asked the panel: “What’s the right temperature for the planet?”

“Assume for a minute that we have the capacity to actually decide the planet’s temperature,” Gingrich mused. “What kind of hubris does it take to say, I know exactly what this planet’s temperature ought to be and I’m going to manage it to that effect?”

“The age of the dinosaurs was dramatically warmer than this is right now and it didn’t cook the planet,” Gingrich responded. “In fact, life was fine.” He also said that Minnesotans escaping to the Caribbean this winter demonstrates that “slightly warmer wouldn’t be a crisis.”

Of course, if you believe in that other scientific phenomenon — evolution — you will know that when dinosaurs roamed the earth, the “life” Gingrich described did not include humans. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/amateur-paleontologist-gingrich-accuses-cli
mate-scientists-of-hubris/
]


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Limbaugh: Media, Liberal Activists Ginning Up ‘Polar Vortex’ to Sell Global Warming ‘Hoax’

Rush Limbaugh isn’t buying into the “polar vortex” term being used in the media to describe the extreme cold all over the country right now, saying it’s just a hyperbole and a way for liberals to “attach this to the global warming agenda.” He mocked the environmentalist warnings that the ice is melting at the North Pole, because of what’s happening right now, and took note of the climate scientists whose ship got stuck near the South Pole.

He mocked the media coverage of the “vortex,” saying that the entire game is to make this sound “new and unprecedented” so blame entirely goes to humans, “particularly Republicans.” http://www.mediaite.com/online/limbaugh-media-liberal-activists-ginnin
g-up-polar-vortex-to-sell-global-warming-hoax/
]


Gee, I must have missed Republicans "particularly" being blamed for climate change...must only be happening on right-wing media. Now if you want to talk about spending billions and pushing disinformation to convince everyone humans have no effect on climate change, or that climate change isn't happening at all, yeah, I place the blame on "particularly Republicans"--especially those making tons of money off what CONTRIBUTES to climate change.

I ask yet again; why IS it that the right wing which is spending those billions to fight the very idea of climate change, even making it ILLEGAL that maybe we should LOOK at it ("New Law in North Carolina Bans Latest Scientific Predictions of Sea-Level Rise", http://abcnews.go.com/US/north-carolina-bans-latest-science-rising-sea
-level/story?id=16913782
)? What do the people spending these billions of dollars GAIN that would incentivize them to spend such enormous amounts of money to convince people in America that climate change/global warming doesn't exist, despite the vast majority of the world's scientists and governments recognizing it? Can't seem to get an answer to that one...


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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
Niki, as climate change effects more and more people that few who deign the man's activities are part of the cause are going to get harder and harder to hear.



Climate change isn't effecting more and more people.

Thing is there simply ARE more and more people. Hurricane that hit Galveston TX back in 1900 caused great damage. Same hurricane hits there today ( or any other densely populated area on a coast ) and it's " the worst storm in humanity !!! " .

No, it isn't. Not even close.

Hysteria and hyperbole by the Chicken Littles of the world is all that gets worse.

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Gee, I must have missed Republicans "particularly" being blamed for climate change...must only be happening on right-wing media.


No,it's coming not just from the Left, but directly from the President. But keep ignoring reality. It's what you do.

And why spend billions protecting our rights as individuals and free people ? I'll tell ya why...it's because AGW is fake, and the intent is nothing but the taking over ( as THIS LIBERAL , Maxine Waters wants to do ) of ALL the companies. It's a huge $ grab, to install yet more entitlement based govt institutions into our lives.

No thank you.

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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 12:58 PM

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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 1:02 PM

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Again, we see the childishness and intolerance of the extreme, hyper far and frazzled Left wing nut jobs.

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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 1:04 PM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Yeah, I thought I heard something too, but I think it was just some troll growling under the bridge. But the LOUD ones in the public eye are still out there, making fools of themselves, and will continue to be:
Quote:

‘Amateur Paleontologist’ Gingrich Accuses Climate Scientists of ‘Hubris’

With conservative commentators like Fox’s Stuart Varney using this winter’s unusually cold temperatures to deny global warming, CNN’s Crossfire held a climate change debate Monday that pitted advocate against skeptic. But things really got interesting when self-described “amateur paleontologist” Newt Gingrich asked the panel: “What’s the right temperature for the planet?”

“Assume for a minute that we have the capacity to actually decide the planet’s temperature,” Gingrich mused. “What kind of hubris does it take to say, I know exactly what this planet’s temperature ought to be and I’m going to manage it to that effect?”

“The age of the dinosaurs was dramatically warmer than this is right now and it didn’t cook the planet,” Gingrich responded. “In fact, life was fine.” He also said that Minnesotans escaping to the Caribbean this winter demonstrates that “slightly warmer wouldn’t be a crisis.”

Of course, if you believe in that other scientific phenomenon — evolution — you will know that when dinosaurs roamed the earth, the “life” Gingrich described did not include humans. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/amateur-paleontologist-gingrich-accuses-cli
mate-scientists-of-hubris/
]


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Limbaugh: Media, Liberal Activists Ginning Up ‘Polar Vortex’ to Sell Global Warming ‘Hoax’

Rush Limbaugh isn’t buying into the “polar vortex” term being used in the media to describe the extreme cold all over the country right now, saying it’s just a hyperbole and a way for liberals to “attach this to the global warming agenda.” He mocked the environmentalist warnings that the ice is melting at the North Pole, because of what’s happening right now, and took note of the climate scientists whose ship got stuck near the South Pole.

He mocked the media coverage of the “vortex,” saying that the entire game is to make this sound “new and unprecedented” so blame entirely goes to humans, “particularly Republicans.” http://www.mediaite.com/online/limbaugh-media-liberal-activists-ginnin
g-up-polar-vortex-to-sell-global-warming-hoax/
]


Gee, I must have missed Republicans "particularly" being blamed for climate change...must only be happening on right-wing media. Now if you want to talk about spending billions and pushing disinformation to convince everyone humans have no effect on climate change, or that climate change isn't happening at all, yeah, I place the blame on "particularly Republicans"--especially those making tons of money off what CONTRIBUTES to climate change.

I ask yet again; why IS it that the right wing which is spending those billions to fight the very idea of climate change, even making it ILLEGAL that maybe we should LOOK at it ("New Law in North Carolina Bans Latest Scientific Predictions of Sea-Level Rise", http://abcnews.go.com/US/north-carolina-bans-latest-science-rising-sea
-level/story?id=16913782
)? What do the people spending these billions of dollars GAIN that would incentivize them to spend such enormous amounts of money to convince people in America that climate change/global warming doesn't exist, despite the vast majority of the world's scientists and governments recognizing it? Can't seem to get an answer to that one...




If I remember right the cigarette companies once claimed that cigarettes did not cause cancer as well. Those companies spent a lot of money in those claims. Ever see the movie Thank You for Smoking? If so I imagine that going on now but with climate change.

Of course some idiot don’t have to get paid, they will believe whatever their GOP overlords tell them.


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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 1:06 PM

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To whom (or what) are you responding? All I heard was a feeble wet fart.




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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 1:07 PM

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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:


If I remember right the cigarette companies once claimed that cigarettes did not cause cancer as well. Those companies spent a lot of money in those claims.



They also spent a lot of money paying for congressional votes.

Money delivered in person by none other than John Boehner.




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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 1:11 PM

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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:

If I remember right the cigarette companies once claimed that cigarettes did not cause cancer as well. Those companies spent a lot of money in those claims. Ever see the movie Thank You for Smoking? If so I imagine that going on now but with climate change.

Of course some idiot don’t have to get paid, they will believe whatever their GOP overlords tell them.



And if it's one thing we ALL know, is that if it happened with BIG TOBACCO, it absolutely is happening with every other BIG CORPORATION we don't like !

Screw the facts, we have the baseless claim of the moral high ground ! Woo hoo!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 1:25 PM

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To whom (or what) are you responding? All I heard was a feeble wet fart.




...that explains why it smelled so bad. I thought it was a growl, but with trolls, who can tell the difference anyway?




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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 1:56 PM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:


If I remember right the cigarette companies once claimed that cigarettes did not cause cancer as well. Those companies spent a lot of money in those claims.



They also spent a lot of money paying for congressional votes.

Money delivered in person by none other than John Boehner.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



Now it is the Koch bothers spending millions to deign climate change...

"The Koch brothers have played an active role in opposing climate change legislation. In 2011, the EPA reported that Koch Industries "emitted over twenty-four million tons of carbon dioxide, as much as is typically emitted by five million cars."[74] A study from the Investigative Reporting Workshop at American University reported that "n 2011 and 2012, Koch Industries Public Sector LLC, the lobbying arm of Koch Industries, advocated for the Energy Tax Prevention Act, which would have rolled back the Supreme Court’s ruling that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) could regulate greenhouse gases."[75][76] The Koch Foundation is a major funder of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, an effort to address the criticism of records of the earth's surface temperatures. At least two of the project's seven scientists are seen as climate change skeptics by many in the climate science world."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koch_brothers

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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 2:07 PM

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Bear in mind, that's PER YEAR!


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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 2:13 PM

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Not Just the Koch Brothers: New Study Reveals Funders Behind the Climate Change Denial Effort

A new study conducted by Drexel University environmental sociologist Robert J. Brulle, PhD, exposes the organizational underpinnings and funding behind the powerful climate change countermovement. This study marks the first peer-reviewed, comprehensive analysis ever conducted of the sources of funding that maintain the denial effort.

Through an analysis of the financial structure of the organizations that constitute the core of the countermovement and their sources of monetary support, Brulle found that, while the largest and most consistent funders behind the countermovement are a number of well-known conservative foundations, the majority of donations are "dark money," or concealed funding.

The data also indicates that Koch Industries and ExxonMobil, two of the largest supporters of climate science denial, have recently pulled back from publicly funding countermovement organizations. Coinciding with the decline in traceable funding, the amount of funding given to countermovement organizations through third party pass-through foundations like Donors Trust and Donors Capital, whose funders cannot be traced, has risen dramatically.

Brulle, a professor of sociology and environmental science in Drexel's College of Arts and Sciences, conducted the study during a year-long fellowship at Stanford University's Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences. The study was published today in Climatic Change, one of the top 10 climate science journals in the world.

The climate change countermovement is a well-funded and organized effort to undermine public faith in climate science and block action by the U.S. government to regulate emissions. This countermovement involves a large number of organizations, including conservative think tanks, advocacy groups, trade associations and conservative foundations, with strong links to sympathetic media outlets and conservative politicians.

To uncover how the countermovement was built and maintained, Brulle developed a listing of 118 important climate denial organizations in the U.S. He then coded data on philanthropic funding for each organization, combining information from the Foundation Center with financial data submitted by organizations to the Internal Revenue Service. "The climate change countermovement has had a real political and ecological impact on the failure of the world to act on the issue of global warming," said Brulle. "Like a play on Broadway, the countermovement has stars in the spotlight -- often prominent contrarian scientists or conservative politicians -- but behind the stars is an organizational structure of directors, script writers and producers, in the form of conservative foundations. If you want to understand what's driving this movement, you have to look at what's going on behind the scenes."

The final sample for analysis consisted of 140 foundations making 5,299 grants totaling $558 million to 91 organizations from 2003 to 2010. The data shows that these 91 organizations have an annual income of just over $900 million, with an annual average of $64 million in identifiable foundation support. Since the majority of the organizations are multiple focus organizations, not all of this income was devoted to climate change activities, Brulle notes.

Key findings include:

• Conservative foundations have bank-rolled denial. The largest and most consistent funders of organizations orchestrating climate change denial are a number of well-known conservative foundations, such as the Searle Freedom Trust, the John William Pope Foundation, the Howard Charitable Foundation and the Sarah Scaife Foundation. These foundations promote ultra-free-market ideas in many realms.

• Koch and ExxonMobil have recently pulled back from publicly visible funding. From 2003 to 2007, the Koch Affiliated Foundations and the ExxonMobil Foundation were heavily involved in funding climate-change denial organizations. But since 2008, they are no longer making publicly traceable contributions.

• Funding has shifted to pass through untraceable sources. Coinciding with the decline in traceable funding, the amount of funding given to denial organizations by the Donors Trust has risen dramatically. Donors Trust is a donor-directed foundation whose funders cannot be traced. This one foundation now provides about 25% of all traceable foundation funding used by organizations engaged in promoting systematic denial of climate change.

• Most funding for denial efforts is untraceable. Despite extensive data compilation and analyses, only a fraction of the hundreds of millions in contributions to climate change denying organizations can be specifically accounted for from public records. Approximately 75% of the income of these organizations comes from unidentifiable sources.



"The real issue here is one of democracy. Without a free flow of accurate information, democratic politics and government accountability become impossible," said Brulle. "Money amplifies certain voices above others and, in effect, gives them a megaphone in the public square. Powerful funders are supporting the campaign to deny scientific findings about global warming and raise public doubts about the roots and remedies of this massive global threat. At the very least, American voters deserve to know who is behind these efforts."

Brulle has authored numerous articles and book chapters on environmental science, and is a frequent media commentator on climate change. He co-edited Power, Justice and the Environment: A Critical Appraisal of the Environmental Justice Movement (2005) with David Pellow, and is the author of Agency, Democracy, and Nature: U.S. Environmental Movements from a Critical Theory Perspective (2000). This study is part one of a three-part project by Brulle to examine the climate movement in the U.S. at the national level. The next step in the project is to examine the environmental movement or the climate change movement. Brulle will then compare the whole funding flow to the entire range of organizations on both sides of the debate.

Brulle previously served as a commissioned officer in the United States Coast Guard for two decades. He received a doctorate in sociology from George Washington University, a master of science degree in natural resources from the University of Michigan, a master of arts degree in sociology from the New School for Social Research and a bachelor of science degree in marine engineering from the United States Coast Guard Academy. http://www.opednews.com/articles/Not-Just-the-Koch-Brothers-by-Press-R
elease-Black-Money-Secret-Donors_Climate-Change_Climate-Change-Deniers_Denial-140105-86.html
]


Full study at http://drexel.edu/~/media/Files/now/pdfs/Institutionalizing%20Delay%20
-%20Climatic%20Change.ashx


I ask again, which our righties refuse to answer: WHAT incentivizes these people to spend such enormous sums to deny climate change?


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Tuesday, January 7, 2014 2:22 PM

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Yep, the PLANET is gonna be just fine. Hard to damage a ball of rock with water on it. YA can nuke it, smack it with asteroids, whatever, ya probably won't damage that ball. Much.

But the stuff that lives on it- that stuff can be killed off by those same nukes, that asteroid, too much cold, too much hot, too much cloud causing not enough sun to let food grow. And ya might not kill off ALL the life that lives on it. Them big ol' lizards may make a comeback. Ants and cockroaches might well survive. And buzzards, there oughtta be a lot of other dead stuff to eat.

But, ME, I'm a human being, homo sapiens Caucasoid. I don't wanta make the place so inhospitable that I die from it. Hey, I got plans for this weekend don't include attending a funeral as guest of honor. Got a Lottery ticket that's gonna win BIG, need to live to cash it in. Got plans for the next several years, don't wanta check out from climate change or pollution before I get them completed. Got grandkids, don't wanta see their lives be harder because of the environment. Wanta have great-grand-kids, whether I'm around to see 'em or not.

SO, yes, Old Newt, I want to manage the climate on this planet. I want to manage it to be comfortable for me, and maybe 7 billion other ME's. Pretty Damn selfish , ain't I? Saudi Arabia is too hot, Antarctica too cold, but the average now is pretty reasonable.

Change that average by much, the whole place might turn into Greenland, 50 below and six feet of permanent snow everywhere. (Sounds like this week in Minnesota, come ta think of it.) Go the other way and the whole place might tun into that place out past Palm Springs, what's it called?, oh, yeah, DEATH VALLEY.

Right now I can migrate a few hundred miles seasonally, North and East in the summer to where it's cooler and wetter, or go south for the winter like the birds. Or stay home and make it thru, just be uncomfortable. I wanta keep it like that, not make it ANY worse.

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Wednesday, January 8, 2014 9:17 AM

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Bear in mind, that's PER YEAR!





Wish they didn't have to. But apparently, that's what is needed to fight such a reckless POLITICAL movement from the Left.

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Wednesday, January 8, 2014 9:38 AM

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Wednesday, January 8, 2014 9:51 AM

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So, presenting childish insults in the form of a medical diagram makes it real, in your world ?

How easily you are duped.

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Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:04 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:





That is perfect!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:39 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Nick; I kinda got a giggle out of it, too. ;o)


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