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Is Fox News Dying?

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


There are several articles out there claiming it is. I'd like to believe them, certainly the numbers make a valid point, but as long as there is they're out there, and people listen to their lies and fraud, they're still dangerous to our country, in my opinion.
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Fox News Is Dying: For the Second Straight Year the Network Adds No New Viewers

The new Pew State of the Media report confirmed that Fox News could be facing future economic woes because for the second straight year they have failed to add any new viewers.

According to Pew, Fox News and MSNBC continued to grow and reach record profits, but their growth came at a slower rate. The difference between the two is that MSNBC was the only cable news network to experience ratings growth across the board. Over at Fox News, there are could be some ominious storm clouds growing, “And Fox News Channel, though still by far the ratings leader, saw viewership figures that, by at least one critical measure, were flat—even in an election year. That could curb its robust economic growth in the years to come.”

Pew also detailed the fact that Fox News’ viewership numbers have gone flat, “Fox News Channel, which still has higher ratings than CNN and MSNBC combined, experienced weaker ratings gains than MSNBC. That comparatively small growth was striking given that 2012 was an election year, playing to Fox’s near singular focus on political news. During daytime hours, Fox was up 4%. Across the total 24-hour day, Fox was up just 2%. And in prime time, Fox was basically flat (with a loss just under 1% compared to its 2011 median viewership). This follows two years of small but real prime-time declines for the top cable news channel and may suggest that the challenge of growing an audience on cable can extend beyond CNN and HLN.” http://www.politicususa.com/2013/03/18/fox-news-dying-straight-year-ne
twork-adds-viewers.html



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Fox News continues to be near the top in cable television in terms of the number of viewers it attracts, but it is near the top in another category, too: the median age of its audience is among the oldest in television.

For most of the television business — the segment that relies on advertising — that would be serious cause for concern because ad sales are almost always based on a target age of 25 to 54, and Fox News, for the last two years, has had a median age of 65-plus in its ratings both for the full day and for prime time.

Fox News declined to make executives available for comment, but several recent signs — including changing personalities for some of its weekday programs — suggest the network may have decided the time has come to confront the issue of age.

Just how old is its audience? It is impossible to be precise because Nielsen stops giving an exact figure for median age once it passes 65. But for six of the last eight years, Fox News has had a median age of 65-plus and the number of viewers in the 25-54 year old group has been falling consistently, down five years in a row in prime time, from an average of 557,000 viewers five years ago to 379,000 this year.

“The numbers indicate they haven’t been replacing the younger viewers,” Mr. Moffett said of Fox News. Many of the loyal viewers the network has always had are simply aging up beyond the 54-year cutoff for many ad buyers. The result is an audience edging consistently above that 65-plus number.

In terms of the rest of television, Fox News also is quite a bit older than networks considered to have a base of older viewers. CBS has frequently been needled for having older viewers, but at 56.8, its median viewer is far younger than Fox News’s. More at http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/23/business/its-viewers-are-graying-but
-their-passion-pays-for-fox-news.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3



While it's sad that FauxNews can still brainwash so many Americans, maybe as those people age and die off, so will that right-wing propaganda machine.

I found this interesting, something I hadn't noticed:
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The most interesting news about Fox News is that for some years now it has been damaging the right far more than the left. As a pair of political analysts wrote at Reuters last year, “When the mainstream media reigned supreme, between 1952 and 1988, Republicans won seven out of the ten presidential elections,” but since 1992, when “conservative media began to flourish” (first with Rush Limbaugh’s ascendancy, then with Fox), Democrats have won the popular vote five out of six times. You’d think they’d be well advised to leave Fox News to its own devices so that it can continue to shoot its own party in the foot. http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/fox-news-2014-2/


His article, entitled "", says the only thing keeping FauxNews alive is their ability to rile up the left.
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In truth, Fox News has been defeated on the media battlefield—and on the political battlefield as well. Even the 73-year-old wizard of Fox, Roger Ailes, now in full Lear-raging-on-the-heath mode as ­portrayed in my colleague Gabriel ­Sherman’s definitive new biography, The Loudest Voice in the Room, seems to sense the waning of his power. The only people who seem not to know or accept Fox’s decline, besides its own audience, are ­liberals.

Ailes would like the president and everyone else to keep believing he has that clout. But these days Fox News is the loudest voice in the room only in the sense that a bawling baby is the loudest voice in the room. In being so easily bullied by Fox’s childish provocations, the left gives the network the attention on which it thrives and hands it power that it otherwise has lost. As the post-Obama era approaches, the energy spent combating Ailes might be better devoted to real political battles against more powerful adversaries. http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/fox-news-2014-2/


Frank Rich gives some timely advice to those who continue to obsess on Fox News.He opines that it is a waste of time that may actually be delaying necessary progress in both the narrative and political battles to come.
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While the right remains obsessed with fighting its unending war against a nearly lame-duck president, it behooves liberals to move on and start transitioning out of their Fox fixation. Paradoxically enough, the most powerful right-wing movement in the country, the insurgency in the Republican grassroots, loathes the Boehner-Christie-Rove-centric Fox News nearly as much as the left does. The more liberals keep fighting the last war against the more and more irrelevant Ailes, the less prepared they’ll be for the political war to come.

One must admit that it is difficult to ignore the bully. It is difficult to ignore that loud, disruptive, and ever present voice. There is a middle ground however. As the current iteration of Fox News dies, one can help the demise of their misinformation by pointing it out and moving on without obsessing. One must remember however that as a star dies, it gets evermore so large and bright just before it is snuffed.

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:29 AM

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...is the loudest voice in the room only in the sense that a bawling baby is the loudest voice in the room. In being so easily bullied by .....'s childish provocations, the left gives the network the attention on which it thrives and hands it power that it otherwise has lost.



Quite appropo, no?



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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:23 AM

GEEZER

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Somebody's watching them.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/01/27/cable-news-ratings-for-fri
day-january-24-2014/232141
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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:27 AM

STORYMARK


Dying, nah. They'll be around for a good long while.

But their power is waning, I agree. Their audience is ageing out of power, and they're not drawing in youth.






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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:31 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Somebody's watching them.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/01/27/cable-news-ratings-for-fri
day-january-24-2014/232141
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"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."



Sure, but who? Old folks, slipping away, by and large.

And if what you righties insist is true, that all non-Fox media is liberal, well then, the other networks combined add up to about the same audience. That audience is just listening to a wider collection of voices, rather than just one.

Young voters don't watch any of them - but still lean left. Ratings aren't everything.






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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:10 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What's most amusing to me about righties puffing out their chests and boasting about FauxNews having the "highest ratings" is that it's only among CABLE TV viewers, which are a proportionally small news-viewing audience:



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The numbers in this report dovetail with other data about television news viewership. A 2012 Pew Research Center survey of news consumption habits shows that local television remains the most popular way of accessing news. And Pew Research’s annual State of the News Media report shows that the nightly network newscasts draw far larger audiences than the prime-time cable news shows.

The data in this study was prepared specifically for the Pew Research Center by Nielsen, the primary source of ratings and viewership information for the television industry. This comparison of in-home network and local television, cable and internet news consumption offers a unique look at how people get news across different platforms in a rapidly changing media environment. It is based on Nielsen’s national panel of metered homes. http://www.journalism.org/2013/10/11/how-americans-get-tv-news-at-home/



It goes on to show how cable-news-junkies are just that, junkies, compared to everyone else, and spend twice as much time watching cable "news" than everyone else:


But that's okay; for me, it was gratifying to know that at least FauxNews' "great" ratings are among a minority of the population, apparently an aging one and a shrinking one. Given all that, hopefully time will take care of the problem.

"the other networks combined add up to about the same audience." Actually, Mark, from the above and everything else I've seen, the other channels combined make up FAR more viewership than FauxNews. Apparently FauxNews gets its "high ratings" from a group of people who watch little else, while the rest of the population is spread around local, network and other cable sources. Kinda puts things in perspective.

I rarely watch any cable news anymore, and gave up watching network ANYTHING years ago (except Castle, out of loyalty). Too much bullshit.

And yeah, Mal4, that's a valid point, the very one his article was making. You should read the rest, it's a funny article.


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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:19 PM

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Trouble is, Fux News is not a ratings-driven enterprise-- it's a propaganda engine. It wouldn't matter if NO ONE watched, as long as Murdock and Ailes and their corporate rulers are willing to spend the money.

I don't know how they do on ad revenue-- if their ratings go down, they won't be able to charge advertisers as much, and they may become a drag on the network profits, but as long as fat cats are still willing to subsidize them, they won't die.

But someday they'll cost too much; and rich guys won't want to bother with propaganda anymore; and then, WHACK!; they'll be gone overnight, ratings be damned.

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:29 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Niki2:


"the other networks combined add up to about the same audience." Actually, Mark, from the above and everything else I've seen, the other channels combined make up FAR more viewership than FauxNews.



You're correct. I should have been more specific, I was referring to comparable cable news outlets. But yeah, factor in the networks and local, and they blow all the cable news away.




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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:30 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Trouble is, Fux News is not a ratings-driven enterprise-- it's a propaganda engine. It wouldn't matter if NO ONE watched, as long as Murdock and Ailes and their corporate rulers are willing to spend the money.



Yes and no. A propoganda machine can function without viewers - but if no one is paying attention, does it matter?

Of course, plenty do pay attention, but they are, by and large, the "choir" already.




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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:34 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ah, what the hell, here's some snippets:
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Stop Beating a Dead Fox

The conservative news channel’s only real power is in riling up liberals, who by this point should know better.



“There ain’t no sanity clause,” Chico Marx told Groucho. There is also no Santa Claus. And there was no sanity in the Santa fracas that became an embarrassing liberal-media fixation just before Christmas. For those who missed it, what happened was this: A Fox News anchor, Megyn Kelly, came upon a tongue-in-cheek blog post at Slate in which a black writer, Aisha Harris, proposed that Santa be recast as a penguin for the sake of racial inclusiveness. After tossing this scrap of red meat to her all-white panel of prime-time guests, Kelly reassured any “kids watching” (this was nearing 10 p.m.) that “Santa just is white.” (For good measure, she added, “Jesus was a white man, too.”) Soon and sure enough, Kelly’s sound bites were being masticated in op-ed pieces, online, and especially on cable, where a passing wisecrack best left to the satirical stylings of Stewart and Colbert became a call to arms. At CNN, one anchor brought on Santas of four races to debunk Kelly. BuzzFeed reported that MSNBC ­programs hopped on the story fourteen times in a single week.

Of course what Kelly said was dumb. But the reaction was even dumber. Every year, Fox News whips up some phantom “war on Christmas” plotted by what the network’s blowhard-in-chief Bill O’Reilly calls “secular progressives.” This seasonal stunt has long been old news, yet many in the liberal media still can’t resist the bait. You had to feel for the NBC News White House correspondent Kristen Welker, who was drafted into filing a Kelly-Santa story on the Today show for no ­discernible reason other than that she is not white.

Fox News is a right-wing propaganda machine and at times (if not this one) a racist enterprise (witness, among other examples, its fruitless effort to drum up a “New Black Panther Party” scandal over some 95 segments in the summer of 2010).

“The cable audience, for all the attention heaped on it for its theoretical political sway, is not that large.” To put it mildly. As the overwhelming leader in its field, Fox draws just over a million viewers in prime time—a ­pittance and a niche next to even the ever-declining network newscasts, of which the lowest rated (CBS Evening News) still can attract a nightly audience as large as 8 million.

Fox News’s political sway in the real world, as opposed to its power to drive MSNBC viewers and their fellow travelers nuts and to generate ridicule from late-night comics, is also on the wane. Speaking to the Television Critics Association in Los Angeles in January, Jeff Zucker complained like countless before him that Fox is an arm of the GOP “masquerading as a cable-news channel.” It doesn’t take rocket science to figure that out: No fewer than five Republican presidential hopefuls, not to mention Karl Rove and Glenn Beck, were on-camera as paid Fox personalities at the start of the 2012 election season; Murdoch is a GOP donor; and Ailes is a former Republican political operative whose partisan record extends back to his big break as Richard Nixon’s media guru in 1968. But there’s nothing in Fox’s viewership numbers, either in magnitude or in demographic hue, to suggest that there’s a significant number of voting-age Americans who at this point do not already know that Fox News is a GOP auxiliary and view it, hate-watch it, or avoid it accordingly. The masquerade that Zucker seems to find a revelation was unmasked years ago.

Back at its creation, in 1996, Fox News was a true stealth threat to the body politic. The network was assumed by many viewers to be as advertised: a good-faith competitor to CNN, which then was in its sixteenth year of dominating the still-developing genre of 24/7 television news. (MSNBC also would arrive in 1996.) Fox’s guise of impartiality would start to erode with its prurient overkill on the Lewinsky scandal.

It wasn’t until Fox threatened to dethrone CNN in the ratings after the Bush-Gore debacle of 2000 that the left started to take serious notice and decry what Fox was peddling under its Orwellian rubrics of “We Report. You Decide” and “Fair & Balanced.” By 2004, when Fox lent its growing might to the Swift Boat smears of John Kerry, a concerted opposition started to crystallize.

On the eve of Obama’s reelection campaign, in early 2012, Brock co-authored a book cataloguing Media Matters’ long-running brief against Fox News’s transgressions, The Fox Effect: How Roger Ailes Turned a Network Into a Propaganda Machine. The world knew Fox was a propaganda machine.

For all its ratings prowess and fat profits, Fox, like the GOP itself, is under existential threat in a fast-changing 21st-century America. Indeed, Megyn Kelly, the latest blonde star in an Ailes stable that seems to emulate Hitchcock’s leading-lady predilections in looks and inchoate malevolence, was promoted to her prime-time perch last year precisely to bring in a younger, less monochromatic audience. It’s a mission that neither she nor any other on-camera talent can accomplish. All three cable-news networks are hemorrhaging young viewers (as are their network-news counterparts) in an era when television is hardly the news medium of choice for Americans raised online and on smartphones. But Fox News is losing younger viewers at an even faster rate than its competitors. With a median viewer age now at 68 according to Nielsen data through mid-January (compared with 60 for MSNBC and CNN, and 62 to 64 for the broadcast networks), Fox is in essence a retirement community.

The million or so viewers who remain fiercely loyal to the network are not, for the most part, and as some liberals still imagine, naïve swing voters who stumble onto Fox News under the delusion it’s a bona fide news channel and then are brainwashed by Ailes’s talking points into becoming climate-change deniers. They arrive at the channel as proud, self-selected citizens of Fox Nation and are unlikely to defect from the channel or its politics until death do them part. (As Sherman writes, “Ailes’s audience seldom watches anything” on television but Fox News.) Hard as it may be to fathom, Fox Nation is even more monochromatically white than the GOP is, let alone the American nation. Two percent of Mitt Romney’s voters were black. According to new Nielsen data, only 1.1 percent of Fox News’s prime-time viewership is (as opposed to 25 percent for MSNBC, 14 percent for CNN, and an average of roughly 12 percent for the three broadcast networks’ evening news programs).

The Fox News membership is more than happy to be cocooned in an echo chamber where its own hopes and fears will be reinforced by other old white “people like us.” This Stockholm syndrome applies even to its more upscale members. On Election Day 2012, to take a representative example, Kelly interviewed Peggy Noonan, the Wall Street Journal pundit, about the likely results that night. Noonan, citing “all the data that I get,” concluded that “something is going on there” and that “the dynamism” is on “the Romney side.” The “data” that persuaded her of victory was Fox News data: The only pollster she cited was a network favorite, Scott Rasmussen. Nate Silver could have told her that Rasmussen’s polls were untrustworthy,
but why would she or any other Fox talking head or viewer listen to the likes of that rank outsider? Clearly few if any of them did. When the reality-based data of actual votes came in on Election Night, it only followed that Fox Nation would be shocked, as most dramatically revealed by Karl Rove’s famous on-camera meltdown. Anyone who had spent the entire year in the Fox News cocoon—-repeatedly hearing happy-news polls from Rasmussen and the even more egregious Dick Morris—-knew the election was in the bag. Even Romney was blindsided by defeat, as befit a candidate whose campaign did its best to shield him from any non-Fox press. “We’d much rather go on a Fox program where we know the question is going to come up and Mitt can give his answer and it’s not going to a frenzy of questioning,” was how a Romney senior adviser, Eric Fehrn­strom, explained this self-immolating all-Fox strategy.

Rather than waste time bemoaning Fox’s bogus journalism, liberals should encourage it. The more that Fox News viewers are duped into believing that the misinformation they are fed by Ailes is fair and balanced, the more easily they can be ambushed by reality as they were on Election Night 2012. We are all fond of quoting the Daniel Patrick Moynihan dictum that “everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.” But we should start considering the possibility that it now works to the Democrats’ advantage that Fox News does manufacture its own facts. Much as it lulled its audience in 2012 into believing that Romney’s “47 percent” tape was just a passing storm, so it is now peddling similar assurances about Chris Christie’s travails.

Fox News’s theoretical political power is further compromised by the internal crisis it shares with the GOP: its inability to navigate the conflict between the party Establishment and the radical base that is dividing the conservative ranks. The network has veered all over the place to try to placate both camps, only to end up wounded in the crossfire. In the early stages, the tea party was a heavily promoted Fox News cause. The network gave ample promotion to every flaky tea-party novelty act, from Michele Bachmann to the Delaware senatorial candidate Christine (“I’m not a witch”) O’Donnell, and promoted any and all tea-party fantasy presidents, from Sarah Palin to Herman Cain. When, finally, there was no choice for Fox but to fall in behind Romney—a last-ditch option for Ailes after his own preferred standard-bearers, Christie and David Petraeus, rebuffed his recruitment efforts—the anyone-but-Mitt GOP base disdained Fox much as it did the nominee himself. That schism has only widened since Romney’s defeat. When Fox regulars like Rove, O’Reilly, Brit Hume, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld agreed with John Boehner that shutting down the government to defund Obama­care had proved a self-destructive strategy for the GOP, the base was having none of it. “Karl Rove, your record sucks!” ranted Levin in September. “Why would we listen to you?” On the other side of the right’s spectrum, the few surviving moderate conservative commentators favored by liberal outlets, from David Frum to Michael Gerson, disdain Ailes’s operation as well: “More people own ferrets than watch Fox News,” said David Brooks.

As long as Ailes is around, Fox News is likely to grow ever more isolated from the country beyond its “Nation.” If it is actuarially possible, its median viewer age will keep creeping upward. (It rose by two years over the course of 2013.) The network’s chauvinistic Christianity, whatever Santa’s race, is hardly an inducement to a younger America that is eschewing religious affiliation in numbers larger than any in the history of Pew polling. Fox News’s unreconstructed knee-jerk homophobia, most recently dramatized by its almost unanimous defense of the Duck Dynasty patriarch Phil Robertson’s likening of gay sex to bestiality, drives away viewers of all ages but especially the young. O’Reilly’s latest moralistic crusade (“Is America Going to Pot?”)—best encapsulated by a scare piece about a 2-year-old in Colorado eating “a marijuana-laced cookie”—seems almost calculated to alienate conservatives who subscribe to Rand Paul’s ever-more-popular style of libertarianism.

Many have mined Sherman’s Loudest Voice in the Room for its portrait of Ailes’s grim childhood and its account of the adult Ailes’s paranoia, his bitchy remarks about his own stars, and his alleged anti-Semitic verbal assault on a once-prized executive. Ailes was driven so berserk by the mere fact of a thorough book on his life and career that he gave exclusive interviews to another, hagiographic biography intended to preempt it and countenanced a reported $8 million settlement to a recently discharged Fox News flack who might have gone public with his own inner-office tales. But the more damning aspects of Sherman’s portrait are not what Ailes apparently most feared: the scandalous personal anecdotes, the incidents of bigotry and sexism, or even the full accounting of his darkest partisan activities. It’s through far more mundane details that the portrait of Ailes’s decline and Fox News’s obsolescence emerges.

More than in any political credo, Ailes believes most of all in the power of television, the medium he grew up in and mastered as a political tool well before many of his competitors. But as his viewers were gobsmacked by the reelection of Obama, so he has been blindsided by the fading of television as the dominant news medium. About new media Ailes knows very little and has never wanted to learn much. When MSNBC emerged in 1996, he mocked it not because of its political identity (it hadn’t chosen one yet) but because of its connection to Microsoft; he wisecracked that Fox News was not in business to “tell people to turn off their television set and go to their computer to get more information.” He failed to invest in new technology in the years that followed, and by his own account he doesn’t “do a lot of web at Fox News.” As the McCain and Romney campaigns were successively confounded by the Obama forces’ technological prowess, so Ailes has been repeatedly ambushed and frustrated by new media, from Gawker, which tortured him with gossipy revelations from a “Fox Mole,” to Google, which earned his ire by refusing to accede to his demand that it rejigger its search algorithms to smite an anti-Ailes blog. Even the success of a one-man website challenging the local newspaper Ailes owns near his home in Putnam County has taken him by surprise and brought him to apoplectic fury. He doesn’t have a clue that his great cable-news innovation at Fox, The Crawl, is aging as fast in the day of Twitter, Instagram, and Tumblr as ticker tape did with the advent of computer terminals. He is so tech-phobic that when Glenn Beck left Fox to start his own empire online, he pronounced him “crazy” because “no one walks away from television.”

But even as Ailes is aging out of the media business, he is making no plans for succession. Ever more isolated from other Murdoch executives and the younger generation of Murdochs—if still protected by Rupert—he may not care that much if the ship goes down with him. His irreplaceability will only add to his legend. “Roger is Fox News,” the editor-in-chief of the right-wing website Newsmax, Christopher Ruddy, told Sherman. “Without him you don’t have it.”

Without Ailes and his Fox News to kick around anymore, the left may feel a bit disoriented—much as the right most certainly will once its unifying bête noire (literal and figurative), Obama, is gone from the White House. But while the right remains obsessed with fighting its unending war against a nearly lame-duck president, it behooves liberals to move on and start transitioning out of their Fox fixation. Excerpts from http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/fox-news-2014-2/


Rather encouraging, enjoyable reading, that, so maybe it would be good to pay attention to his warning: "...the most powerful right-wing movement in the country, the insurgency in the Republican grassroots, loathes the Boehner-Christie-Rove-centric Fox News nearly as much as the left does. The more liberals keep fighting the last war against the more and more irrelevant Ailes, the less prepared they’ll be for the political war to come." I'd like to know more about what he considers "the political war to come". If it were to include a saner, more moderate right wing, I'd be jumping for joy.


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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:34 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Trouble is, Fux News is not a ratings-driven enterprise-- it's a propaganda engine. It wouldn't matter if NO ONE watched, as long as Murdock and Ailes and their corporate rulers are willing to spend the money.

I don't know how they do on ad revenue-- if their ratings go down, they won't be able to charge advertisers as much, and they may become a drag on the network profits, but as long as fat cats are still willing to subsidize them, they won't die.

But someday they'll cost too much; and rich guys won't want to bother with propaganda anymore; and then, WHACK!; they'll be gone overnight, ratings be damned.


Kinda like Clear Channel....

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:07 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by Geezer:
Somebody's watching them.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/01/27/cable-news-ratings-for-fri
day-january-24-2014/232141
/






Sure, but who? Old folks, slipping away, by and large.



Per the data shown, they win the 25-54 demographic.


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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:04 PM

STORYMARK


The rest of my point (the bit you edited out) still stands. They win a fraction of the audience, that's it.




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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 6:35 PM

AURAPTOR

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I guess kicking everyone's ass in the ratings for almost 2 decades has their legs tired.

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:47 PM

WHOZIT


http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/fnc-extends-cable-news-ratings-winning
-streak-in-january


And this is TODAYS news! Yours is from March 2013. Enjoy

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:59 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/fnc-extends-cable-news-ratings-winning
-streak-in-january


And this is TODAYS news! Yours is from March 2013. Enjoy



Fascinating stats. And which team won the Minor League World Series last year? OH, wait, that's right, there ain't no MINOR LEAGUE World Series. Never mind.

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:26 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Good point, NewOld. The only important fact remains: FauxNews dominates CABLE news, which is watched the least of network, local and cable...so being #1 of #3 isn't much to crow about.


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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:23 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Somebody's watching them.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/01/27/cable-news-ratings-for-fri
day-january-24-2014/232141
/




"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."



Sure, but who? Old folks, slipping away, by and large.

And if what you righties insist is true, that all non-Fox media is liberal, well then, the other networks combined add up to about the same audience. That audience is just listening to a wider collection of voices, rather than just one.

Young voters don't watch any of them - but still lean left. Ratings aren't everything.






"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"




Fox News isn't dying, but its audience is. Literally.

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:25 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I guess kicking everyone's ass in the ratings for almost 2 decades has their legs tired.





Yet the morons on the right still refer to everyone else as the "mainstream media."

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:37 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I guess kicking everyone's ass in the ratings for almost 2 decades has their legs tired.





Yet the morons on the right still refer to everyone else as the "mainstream media."



What, you expect wingnuts to understand something as complex as... the basic definition of a word??

Hell, they just re-define any words that they like to suit their addled little agenda.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:37 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I guess kicking everyone's ass in the ratings for almost 2 decades has their legs tired.





Yet the morons on the right still refer to everyone else as the "mainstream media."



What, you expect wingnuts to understand something as complex as... the basic definition of a word??

Hell, they just re-define any words that they like to suit their addled little agenda.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:35 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/fnc-extends-cable-news-ratings-winning
-streak-in-january


And this is TODAYS news! Yours is from March 2013. Enjoy



Fascinating stats. And which team won the Minor League World Series last year? OH, wait, that's right, there ain't no MINOR LEAGUE World Series. Never mind.



HUH?! What the fuck are you babbling about? Is this what you libs do when you're proven wrong, ya babble?

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I guess kicking everyone's ass in the ratings for almost 2 decades has their legs tired.



Yet the morons on the right still refer to everyone else as the "mainstream media."



Well, they are. What's your point ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:41 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:


HUH?! What the fuck are you babbling about?



Wow, whozit didn't understand a really obvious analogy.

Shocker.

Here, let Jerry Springer put it in a way your wittle head *might* be able to process:

"What is it, 3, 4 percent of America watches it [cable news]? You could be #1 in cable, and more people are bowling than watching cable news...the public doesn't care about the ratings."




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:42 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

What, you expect wingnuts to understand something as complex as... the basic definition of a word??



I love it when the moron brigade rushes in to prove me right.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:44 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


There's only so much Ex-Lax and Preparation H you can sell. They are definitely being kept afloat by Daddy Warbucks and company. Soon even they will "give up the ghost" and toss it onto the dung heap.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Trouble is, Fux News is not a ratings-driven enterprise-- it's a propaganda engine. It wouldn't matter if NO ONE watched, as long as Murdock and Ailes and their corporate rulers are willing to spend the money.

I don't know how they do on ad revenue-- if their ratings go down, they won't be able to charge advertisers as much, and they may become a drag on the network profits, but as long as fat cats are still willing to subsidize them, they won't die.

But someday they'll cost too much; and rich guys won't want to bother with propaganda anymore; and then, WHACK!; they'll be gone overnight, ratings be damned.


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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

There's only so much Ex-Lax and Preparation H you can sell. They are definitely being kept afloat by Daddy Warbucks and company. Soon even they will "give up the ghost" and toss it onto the dung heap.


SGG



Sigh. Reminds me of the time Linus ( I think it was him, and Miss Othmar ) realized tha teachers get PAID to come to school. That they don't just show up, out of the goodness of their hearts, to teach.

Everything you see on t.v. or hear via radio ( save for NPR ) is on so it'll get high ratings and so networks can sell ad time.

That's how the free market world works.

Though no fault of our BDH's fault, the show got poor ratings. THAT is why FOX canned it.

So I do get the residual hatred for all things FOX. I really do.

But it's still cute to see how some folks , after all these years, still don't GET it.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:56 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Here's an amusing one for you:
Quote:

Interestingly, the Nº2 shareholder of NewsCorp is Alwaleed Bin Talal, a Saudi prince and businessman who also heads the "Kingdom Foundation." In 2010, Fox News reported that the "mosque" to be built next to the site of the former World Trade Center was funded by the Kingdom Foundation, an organization they say which "funds madrasas [sic] all over the world", as a possible link to terrorist motives for the building of the mosque, while failing to mention that the guy who funds it is also in business with Murdoch. So, if Fox News were to be judged by its own standards of guilt by association, it would qualify as a terrorist front. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fox_News



I followed up on that one. "Alwaleed has a sizable interest in Fox News, second in one aspect only to Murdoch. That translates to being the No. 2 owner of Fox News". While that's true, it's misleading. Alwaleed’s interest in News Corp., the media conglomerate of Rupert Murdoch and once-parent company to Fox News, started in 1997 with a $400 million investment. He owns 7% of Class B voting stock with 21st Century Fox, which is second only to Murdoch's almost 80%, so there's a vast distance between #1 and #2. On the other hand, they are also "in business", insofar as the relationship with Murdoch is reciprocal; News Corp. has a sizable stake in Rotana, a broadcasting company that airs Arabic and English programming in the Middle East. Alwaleed owns an 80 percent stake of Rotana, according to Bloomberg.

Two caveats: 40 percent of Alwaleed’s voting rights are suspended because he is not an American citizen, and "he’s more of a passive major shareholder, said Jay Ritter, University of Florida finance professor, pointing out Alwaleed does not have a seat on the company’s board of directors. His investment resembles other stocks held in major companies by mutual funds and investment firms, who invest big in public companies but do not intend to take over." ( http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/06/facebook-p
osts/facebook-group-no-2-owner-fox-news-prince-alwaleed
/)

None of that translates into how close the two might be, or how much influence Alwaleed has on FauxNews, or Murdoch has in Rotana. Nonetheless, the point is that it's ironically amusing that FauxNews should jump all over Kingdom Foundation when it comes to funding the community center ("mosque") and hint at "terrorist motives", while Alwaleed owns part of FauxNews itself and Murdoch owns some of Alwaleed's enterprise.


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