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After forest fires and drought, now rains torment Southern California

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 05:09
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Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:11 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, that's just "normal" for this time of year down there...
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Severe rain and thunderstorms pounded the Los Angeles suburbs again Saturday, causing more mudslides in Glendora and other towns.

Mandatory evacuation orders for Glendora, Azusa, and Monrovia remained in effect, CNN affiliate KCAL reported. So far, no deaths have been reported.

"We've got people still evacuated only because we expect those thunderstorms, those high-intensity, short duration, type of rain storms," Glendora Police Chief Timothy Staab told KCAL. "The hillsides are already soaked right now, and it may not take much to cause those mudslides to just come down out of the hills."

The hills can't hold water because so much vegetation was destroyed in wildfires and drought.

"These areas have the highest risk of being impacted by flooding/debris flows from rainfall due to the loss of vegetation from the foothills," the city of Glendora said in a statement to KABC, also a CNN affiliate.

In Monrovia, people who choose not to leave will be asked to sign a form acknowledging they know the risk and assume liability for staying in their homes, KABC reported.

The bad weather extended into Burbank, where rain and winds felled a 50-foot tree into an elderly woman's home. She escaped out the back door and wasn't injured.

In Glendora, stories of close calls were easily found on Friday.

Mario Vazquez grabbed his dog and got out of the way, as a stream of water and mud came gushing on to his streets.

Since California has been in the middle of its worst drought in 100 years, it would seem that the sight of rain would be good news.

But in Glendora and other towns in Los Angeles County, it wasn't.

The rain has been much needed, but Friday's deluge -- coming down at more than an inch an hour at times -- landed on bone-dry hills scorched by recent wildfires in and around Los Angeles.

With little vegetation left to stop them, walls of water have gushed into valleys below. They have spewed mud and debris into quiet residential streets, turning them into thick, brown creeks.

More could hit before Saturday is up, the National Weather Service says. It has placed Los Angeles and Ventura counties under a flash flood watch.

By the time it's over up to 6 inches will have landed on the foothills of Los Angeles County and as much as 10 inches on the ridge line.

Weather weirdness

The West Coast rain is expected to end by Sunday, but will move eastward over the weekend. It will bring cold and snow to the central Plains to Ohio Valley late Saturday and Sunday and to the East Coast by Monday.

Cities that will fall in the path of the heaviest snow include Louisville and Lexington, Kentucky; Pittsburgh and Philadelphia; and the Washington, D.C. area.

Severe thunderstorms will be possible across central and eastern Texas and much of Louisiana on Sunday. Damaging thunderstorm winds will be the primary threat and a few tornadoes will be possible.

Several cities will experience yo-yo temperatures. For example, the high in Atlanta will be 71 degrees on Sunday and drop to 54 on Monday. In New York, it will be 40 on Sunday and 26 on Monday; in Washington, 54 and 34, with a chance of 8-10 inches of snow.

In Colorado, one person was killed and 20 were injured after a series of wrecks Saturday that involved an estimated 60 cars, Sonny Jackson, public information officer for the Denver Police Department, told CNN. Jackson said there were three different accident scenes within a short stretch of I-25 North, the first of which involved 45 cars.

The storms brought the first rains since a powerful, persistent weather system collapsed that was keeping California parched. The same system was also at the root of a lot of strange weather around the globe -- all the way to Russia.

A massive, sturdy ridge of high-pressure air had hovered over California, blustering rain clouds away. At the same time, it pushed the jet-stream way up into Canada and distorted it, said weather environmentalist Bill Lapenta.

The stream then whipped south, pulling icy cold down into the Deep South, where it triggered snow storms. Then it dragged them up to Northeast, before crossing the Atlantic and bringing floods to Britain.

It is also brought the unseasonably warm weather at the Olympic Games in Sochi, Lapenta said.

The heavy California rains will not do much to alleviate the drought, according to the CNN Weather Center.

A lot of the water is flowing right back out to sea, and the drought's effects have been enormous. Water reservoirs are running at minimum levels.

For the first time in its history, the California Water Project - a system of canals and reservoirs that provide water to two thirds of the people in the state's Central Valley -- set its allocation for all of them to zero.

Fire, then water

Floating in Glendora's silt were chunks of burned wood.

Just weeks ago, flames were consuming the hills looming above them. Now, 1,000 homes in the valley have been ordered to evacuate, for fear of flash floods.

Besides his dog, Vazquez left almost everything he owns behind to face the sludge.

"I got my laptop," he said. "It's going to be fine. It's all replaceable."

It was probably quick thinking on his part. The rising waters caught many off guard.

"It wasn't like this 20 minutes ago," said resident Ryan Friend. He seemed aghast, as he watched a stream of thick brown pour down a street. http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/us/california-mudslides/index.html?hpt=h
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Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:13 AM

AURAPTOR

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God must be really displeased with the folks in CA.



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Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:52 AM

REAVERFAN


Climate change, as predicted by reputable scientists.

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Sunday, March 2, 2014 12:06 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


NIKI

I was looking at the areas - they're way up in the foothills in very steep terrain. It occurred to me how much public resources go to keeping people safe in very risky areas - fire protection, road clearing, flood protection - including btw those very expensive homes perched ever so precariously on the Malibu cliffs. And I wondered - could we save a lot of public resources by declaring certain areas out of the jurisdiction of public agencies? A 'build at your own risk' caveat.

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Sunday, March 2, 2014 1:21 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


It's buried in the middle of that news story, but the rain won't help much with the drought. It's all short-term-- it's gonna, or already has, run off. Unless it gets to the Sierras, it's not gonna do anything for water levels in the reservoirs, or the snow pack we need for spring melt to water us over the summer.

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Sunday, March 2, 2014 1:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


An article I read recently in the LATimes says that the reservoirs here which provide about a third of the water are down to 25% (if I remember correctly) but the recent rains could fill them adequately. What's desperately low are local groundwater sources.

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Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:30 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Kiki, with regard to what you wrote in your post about very risky areas, "damned straight!" There are many, many places we simply shouldn't be building (I could rant for quite a while about "land fill" and deltas, as well as mountainous regions!), so you're certainly preaching to the choir on that one. I don't see "build at your own risk" as any kind of viable alternative, for all the many reasons I'm sure you can think of just as quickly as I can (!), and of course politics will always end up letting people develop where there's demand, too. Here in Marin, which is virtually all hills, and all the way down the Peninsula when I used to drive back down to the Santa Clara Valley (aka "Silicon Valley") where I was raised, I see building in places which are totally asinine...like hospitals/schools built ON the San Andreas Fault, etc., so I'll stop right here and refrain from ranting about it further.

Yeah, NewOld; all this current rain is doing is making a mess and filling up the reservoirs a bit--it's better than nothing, but won't help the drought much, if at all. A bit less here in Marin, where the majority of our hills and mountains do run off into our five reservoirs, but nonetheless...

I sulkied the dogs up at Phoenix Lake yesterday--it's not one of our water district reservoirs, but they tapped into it this year because of the drought, and it was lovely to see the spillway SPILLING and the creek below a rushing brown. I think only Phoenix and Kent, our "Big Guy", are actually running off...Lagunitas, Bon Tempe and Alpine all spill INTO Kent, but I don't think they're full enough to spill, and Nicasio is up in Novato, I don't get up that way). They let Kent spill off because it feeds Papermill Creek (which is where the first paper mill on the West Coast was and one of our favorite sulky runs), which is a salmon spawning ground, taken care of with kid gloves to keep it safe for the salmon.

That's why I was wondering about the snowpack, which is far more important (except to us here in Marin, since we don't use it and rely mostly on our lakes). What I'm finding thus far is that the ski resorts are happy as clams 'cuz they can finally open, but the recent storms haven't changed the snowpack situation:
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While the snowpack has grown since a month ago, it still is well below the seasonal average, according to a snow survey conducted Thursday by the California Department of Water Resources. The snowpack's water content was only 33 percent of the long-term average at Echo Summit near Lake Tahoe. More at: http://www.sacbee.com/2014/03/01/6200114/snow-allows-more-sierra-ski-r
esorts.html#storylink=cpy



Here is the most recent, as of today (the above was as of Thursday, and we've had storms pretty steadily off and on since then):


Statewide average, according to that: 32% of normal ("28% of average for April 1") (From Ca.gov, Dept. of Water Resources, http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/snowapp/sweq.action). Bear in mind that it's not as much how MUCH snow has fallen, as what the water content of that snow is, which is what the above shows ("snow water equivalent").

HERE (Marin), rain forecast off and on through next Thursday (dunno what that means for So. Ca.), but that doesn't mean much rain, not like an actual STORM, most like drizzle for an hour or two maybe every day or every night, not enough to count for shit.

In other words: We're still screwed.

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Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


About the 'build at your own risk' idea - a girl can dream, can't she?

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Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:13 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hey, dream away...I used to dream like that...tho' less and less these days, mostly I just try not to THINK about stuff like that...

There's just too much absurdity for me to even dream anymore. During the deluge of '81, we had two houses come down up the street from us. The hillside gave way and a small mudslide slammed into a SWIMMING POOL (the only one I know of anywhere around here), and that's what caused it to take down the rest of the hillside. They'd DONE the studies, they KNEW that hillside was potentially dangerous; they built anyway. A neighbor died in the second house that came down; the house that owned the swimming pool was undamaged.

Y'know??


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Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Ouch. It's like the drunken driver who kills people in the other car but walks away unharmed.

I think I'll go do something mindless for a while to not think about your post.

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Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:38 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hee, hee, hee...I just checked back to see if you'd responded before leaving to do "something mindless for a while" so as not to think about this shit anymore. Great minds obviously think alike!

Actually, I've been focusing on doing mindless and not-so-mindless things every day for a while now, rather than come here, because my reaction to the vast majority of what I read here lasts just long enough for me to hit "reply", then look at the blank post and think "why bother?". It just ain't worth it anymore, for the most part.

So thank you for giving me two posts which I found interesting enough and worthwhile enough to participate in for a bit. Now onward to something mindless...had a LOVELY run with the North Bay group this morning along creeks in Cotati which were joyously running brown and fierce, and it's sprinkling again outside. Think I'll go read a book in the Outback and enjoy the sound of rain on the tarp...

The pastures are GREEN again (the cows are tickled pink), the side gullies are splashing down and joining the main creeks, the mosses and ferns are standing up and doing the wave, so I want to spend just as much time out in it as I possibly can, 'cuz it won't last...


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Sunday, March 2, 2014 5:00 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Sounds a lot like our weather. Lots of extremes these days, much more frequently than in recorded history.

Thankfully for us the extreme heat has passed and we are officially into Autumn, cool nights, mixed days. Not a lot of rain.

I don't mind it, I like mild weather. Anything over 35C is unpleasant, and a series of days over 40C is unbearable in a number of ways.

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Sunday, March 2, 2014 5:31 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hey Magons; I think about you guys Down Under and your weather a LOT (particularly because of you and because I've got a number of urban mushing friends with sulkies who I "talk" to on another site). I know there are other places in the world which suffer from the recent extremes, but I'm most aware of it where you're concerned, what with your heat and fires each year lately. You put us to shame, I admit, since even in So. Ca. we don't get the heat extremes you do at ALL!

I'm assuming you're talking only about heat...I hadn't heard anything about any other kinds of extremes down there...?

I can't resist: My friends Rhonda and Sam have sulkies from the same guy who built mine (Jim Walsh of Woronora, NSW, who built horse sulkies for 30+ years before getting a giant schnauzer and starting to build dog sulkies), and they've just "given birth" to the world's first dog sulky race, to be held in the You Yangs this coming June:



Here's the article: http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/geelong/its-the-dishlickers-a
nd-trots-rolled-into-one/story-fnjuhovy-1226836626876


Dunno where Woronora or You Yang are in relation to you, but I wanted to share it with you, thought you might get a kick out of it.

Now like a good girl I'm going to do as I originally intended and as Kiki said she's doing, and get outta here...! G'daay! ;o)


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Sunday, March 2, 2014 5:59 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Hey Magons; I think about you guys Down Under and your weather a LOT (particularly because of you and because I've got a number of urban mushing friends with sulkies who I "talk" to on another site). I know there are other places in the world which suffer from the recent extremes, but I'm most aware of it where you're concerned, what with your heat and fires each year lately. You put us to shame, I admit, since even in So. Ca. we don't get the heat extremes you do at ALL!

I'm assuming you're talking only about heat...I hadn't heard anything about any other kinds of extremes down there...?

I can't resist: My friends Rhonda and Sam have sulkies from the same guy who built mine (Jim Walsh of Woronora, NSW, who built horse sulkies for 30+ years before getting a giant schnauzer and starting to build dog sulkies), and they've just "given birth" to the world's first dog sulky race, to be held in the You Yangs this coming June:



Here's the article: http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/geelong/its-the-dishlickers-a
nd-trots-rolled-into-one/story-fnjuhovy-1226836626876


Dunno where Woronora or You Yang are in relation to you, but I wanted to share it with you, thought you might get a kick out of it.

Now like a good girl I'm going to do as I originally intended and as Kiki said she's doing, and get outta here...! G'daay! ;o)




It's Hooroo when you leave in 'Strayan. Old speak. My dad yould say it. G'Day is a greeting. As in 'Good Day to your sire' only not as polite. Only we've gone all Merican these days and more than likely to say 'yo homey'.
;)

You Yangs are a set of hills near Geelong, a couple of hours away. You can see them across the bay on a clear day.



We get flooding rains as well and wild storms. It's a pretty intense climate.

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Monday, March 3, 2014 12:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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We get flooding rains as well and wild storms. It's a pretty intense climate.

Oh, yeah...southern hemisphere...should have realized. Well, then, Hooroo...not that many Americans say "yo, homey", trust me. ;o)


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Monday, March 3, 2014 12:00 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I've been very glad to see the rain. Downtown LA got 4 inches, the foothills got more.

Been watering my garden twice a week this whole winter, and even with THAT it would have been the equivalent of a very sparse winter. With the rain, plus irrigation, it just came up to average. Another storm is too much to hope for, but we DID have a "Miracle March" once, when a lot of rain came in very late in the season, so I suppose there's still a chance.

Oonjh! Do more rain-dancing, will you???

We put up a hummingbird feeder the previous weekend, and it was discovered by (what I think is a) female rufous. I'm so glad I did- she looked wet and miserable at the feeder, but at least she had something to eat!


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Monday, March 3, 2014 12:16 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Clear and sunny Monday morning. According to a weather forecast I heard, cloudy or showers thru Thursday.

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Monday, March 3, 2014 12:17 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Clear and sunny Monday morning. According to a weather forecast I heard, cloudy or showers thru Thursday. ( oops! Either double post or Groundhog Day.)

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Monday, March 3, 2014 12:20 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, Sig, we're forecast for showers off and on through Thursday up here, and I heard the other day that the weather has "swung south"--which this last storm system certainly DID! So I'll hold a good thought for you guys... :o)


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Monday, March 3, 2014 1:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


According to Wundergound (Weather Underground) near 0% chance of rain with temperatures slowly rising thru the week to 82 deg F by Saturday.


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Monday, March 3, 2014 2:33 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
According to Wundergound (Weather Underground) near 0% chance of rain with temperatures slowly rising thru the week to 82 deg F by Saturday.




But do they know which way the wind blows?

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Tuesday, March 4, 2014 5:09 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
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We get flooding rains as well and wild storms. It's a pretty intense climate.

Oh, yeah...southern hemisphere...should have realized. Well, then, Hooroo...not that many Americans say "yo, homey", trust me. ;o)




Ha, not many australians use the expressions that are often attributed to us either.

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