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What a difference a few years makes, eh Barry ?

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


From this -



Berlin speech, 2008

To this -



Netherlands, last Tuesday.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:29 AM

WHOZIT


The press overseas trashes Barry everyday, they don't kiss his ass the way the U.S. media does. The U.S. media has sold it's soul to Barry, but no matter how much they ignore or under report his failures the great unwashed know he's a weak leader. THAT'S WHY his apporval ratings are in the 30's and people over seas see "Vlad the Invader" as strong leader, and Barry as a meat puppet.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:58 AM

JONGSSTRAW


That's a very interesting clip. It's also very telling. It tells me that perhaps Obama's utter lack of leadership and his weakening of America has actually woken Europe up from its post-World War II complacency daze. They know Obama is a liar. They know Obama can't be trusted. They know Obama is a pussy. They know that he will betray an ally. They know Obama won't rescue them from their own recklessness and stupidity. For the first time in decades, Europe is scared. They're realizing that the America that saved them from the Nazis and then protected them during the Cold War doesn't exist anymore.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:05 AM

REAVERFAN


I don't recall anyone cheering at press conferences.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:11 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


ah, another Rap, Whoz, Jong circle-jerk thread.
Can't wait for Geezer and 6x to join in.
And no, a few years haven't made any change. You guys are all still the same.

Get a room already. Maybe an orgy suite, there are enough of you. But not enough for anything larger.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:31 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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I don't recall anyone cheering at press conferences.



Brilliant. I KNEW one of Barry's sycophants would chime in w/ some sort of a defense.



But indeed, it DOES appear to be a press conference, does it not? So why in the heck is Barry signing off as if he were talking in front of a Dem fund raiser dinner ?


Completely self absorbed narcissism, is why.

Note how folks were chuckling in the audience, after the Prez had left the scene. Truly pathetic.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:38 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
ah, another Rap, Whoz, Jong circle-jerk thread.
Can't wait for Geezer and 6x to join in.
And no, a few years haven't made any change. You guys are all still the same.

Get a room already. Maybe an orgy suite, there are enough of you. But not enough for anything larger.



Where was that?

Oh. Here it is.




"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:56 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
ah, another Rap, Whoz, Jong circle-jerk thread.
Can't wait for Geezer and 6x to join in.
And no, a few years haven't made any change. You guys are all still the same.

Get a room already. Maybe an orgy suite, there are enough of you. But not enough for anything larger.


And NOBC would certainly be an authority on that subject because of all the libtard Niki/Siggy/Kuku/etc/etc circle jerks that appear here every day. I'm sure all her fellow psycho leftist pals appreciate the eagerness to jump in and lap up the messy pot lickins.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
That's a very interesting clip. It's also very telling. It tells me that perhaps Obama's utter lack of leadership and his weakening of America has actually woken Europe up from its post-World War II complacency daze. They know Obama is a liar. They know Obama can't be trusted. They know Obama is a pussy. They know that he will betray an ally. They know Obama won't rescue them from their own recklessness and stupidity. For the first time in decades, Europe is scared. They're realizing that the America that saved them from the Nazis and then protected them during the Cold War doesn't exist anymore.




To play Devil's Advocate here, Europe does need a tall,strong glass of wake-up. Not unlike Boromir's speech to the Coucil in Rivendell... " By the blood of our people are your lands kept safe ", our military has enabled Europe to spend far less on theirs and more on social engineering programs, welfare, and the like.

A diminished USA is bad enough. But now that Vlad the Conqueror is on the move, and it's plain as day that Obama would rather sing Kumbaya instead of standing up to this regional bully, there's a collective cold sweat breaking out across the land.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:11 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
That's a very interesting clip. It's also very telling. It tells me that perhaps Obama's utter lack of leadership and his weakening of America has actually woken Europe up from its post-World War II complacency daze. They know Obama is a liar. They know Obama can't be trusted. They know Obama is a pussy. They know that he will betray an ally. They know Obama won't rescue them from their own recklessness and stupidity. For the first time in decades, Europe is scared. They're realizing that the America that saved them from the Nazis and then protected them during the Cold War doesn't exist anymore.




To play Devil's Advocate here, Europe does need a tall,strong glass of wake-up. Not unlike Boromir's speech to the Coucil in Rivendell... " By the blood of our people are your lands kept safe ", our military has enabled Europe to spend far less on theirs and more on social engineering programs, welfare, and the like.

A diminished USA is bad enough. But now that Vlad the Conqueror is on the move, and it's plain as day that Obama would rather sing Kumbaya instead of standing up to this regional bully, there's a collective cold sweat breaking out across the land.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall


Putin isn't Hitler. I don't want to go to war with Russia. There aren't enough red magic markers in the world to draw all those lines in the sand. NATO countries are secure; the rest will have to pull up their big girl underpants and deal.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:14 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Yep.

Peace in our time.



It's a good thing.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:28 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Yep.

Peace in our time.



It's a good thing.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

Despite your casual dismissal of my position, I do know what the options are, and none of them are good for us. What do you want to do about Putin?

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


First of all, you're comparing a speech to a press conference. And I suspect that press conferences don't end in applause... not even here in the USA. Another pointed difference is that Obama did NOT "sign off" like it was a USA speech. Here, every speech ends with And God bless America.

These two clips, on their very face, are an apples to oranges comparison. Not noticing the difference is about what I'd expect from the RW mentation here.

OTOH, there is a significant disenchantment with Barry in some European circles- not because he isn't tough enough, but because he's TOO tough. The dividing line seems to be primarily based on which nations are dependent on Russian gas and oil, because while Russian energy supplies represent approximately 35% of EU energy consumption, the percentage isn't equal among all nations. Hence, some nations have far more at risk:


Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Republic of Macedonia 100%
Belarus 98%
Serbia, Montenegro 87%
Bulgaria 92%
Czech Republic 77.6%
Greece 76%
Ukraine 66%
Turkey 64%
Hungary 60%
Slovenia 52%
Austria 49%
Poland 48.15%
Croatia 37%
Germany 36%
Italy 27%
Romania 27%
France 14%
Belgium 5%
Switzerland 12%
Britain <1%

Britain and France can afford to be far more hawkish in following the USA lead, while Germany and the Netherlands are far more circumspect. You don't hear much of what the smaller nations say, but I did read- glancingly- that both Poland and Hungary have openly said that sanctions should NOT be placed on Russia.

There is an economic and (therefore) political realignment going on in the EU, headed by Germany. China is Germany's 3rd/5th largest trading partner in terms of imports/ exports, and Russia is 11th/7th. But a critical component of Russian imports is energy.

https://www.destatis.de/EN/FactsFigures/NationalEconomyEnvironment/For
eignTrade/TradingPartners/Tables/OrderRankGermanyTradingPartners.pdf?__blob=publicationFile


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/business/global/14trade.html


Germany is looking to China for its trade, and has JUST signed a deal with China to settle accounts in renminbi. (BTW- so has Britain.) Germany has asked for its gold to be repatriated from Ft Knox. But, as far as cooperation from the USA government, the gold may as well be in Mt Gox. The idea, I think, is that Germany is preparing to leave the EU (not a bad idea) and would like to have some gold to back up that new Deutschemark! While the gold is unavailable from Mt Gox... er, I mean Ft Knox... I think the motivation is still there.

It also doesn't help that a new, THIRD NSA spying-scandal has broken out in Germany. Not hoovering up the emails of hapless German citizens, or even zeroing in on Angela Merkel's cell phone. Nope, THIS one involves hoovering up data from Germany's three largest fast/secure providers, who collectively provide (supposedly secure) high-speed internet access via satellite/cable to Germany's troops and engineering etc firms across the globe. Oh dear! Germany's citizens are - gosh, just ordinary people and don't count, and Merkel might be personally placated, but German businesses?? They have money. They have influence. So watch out! You keep pissing off your partners enough, and sooner or later they'll ditch you. Whatever happens I'm sure will be quiet, but effective.

I don't know whether China and Russia are working together or working separately but they have both determined to topple the US dollar as the world's reserve currency and petrodollar, and Germany seems all too happy to go along- at least with the China part of the plan.

Obama IS an idiot, but it has nothing to do with whether or not he can or will play the military card, but how adroitly he manages to steer the USA through the fall of the petrodollar. It will involve maintaining our energy independence, and recognizing the new economic and geopolitical realities, and making new alliances (or at least, not offending them any more than has already been done). People who expect Obama to react like Ronnie Raygun or GWB are not aware of the new realities, and what they advocate will only make things worse, not better.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 2:39 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
First of all, you're comparing a speech to a press conference. And I suspect that press conferences don't end in applause... not even here in the USA. Another pointed difference is that Obama did NOT "sign off" like it was a USA speech. Here, every speech ends with And God bless America.

These two clips, on their very face, are an apples to oranges comparison. Not noticing the difference is about what I'd expect from the RW mentation here.



You're expecting the idiots to grasp kindergarten-level distinctions again - you know they're incapable.

They think they "won" something with such an asinine comparison - let them wallow in it without realizing how readily it proves what desperate, hateful little people they are.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:11 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
First of all, you're comparing a speech to a press conference. And I suspect that press conferences don't end in applause... not even here in the USA. Another pointed difference is that Obama did NOT "sign off" like it was a USA speech. Here, every speech ends with And God bless America.

These two clips, on their very face, are an apples to oranges comparison. Not noticing the difference is about what I'd expect from the RW mentation here.



You're expecting the idiots to grasp kindergarten-level distinctions again - you know they're incapable.

They think they "won" something with such an asinine comparison - let them wallow in it without realizing how readily it proves what desperate, hateful little people they are.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

One may note, if they observe, that everyone was wearing IDs and holding cameras. This was not a speech. It was a press event.

But, the gullible ODS loons lap it up without a thought. They don't really think all that much, you know.

Some douche puts it on youtube, then suddenly it's "Obama gets dissed." Uh, no.

Were you aware that Bushco can't go ANYWHERE? That's how popular they were.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



VICTORY !!!

HELL YES !



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Were you aware that Bushco can't go ANYWHERE? That's how popular they were.
VICTORY !!! HELL YES !

Yes, that IS a victory! Thanks for agreeing!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/07/george-bush-issued-travel
-warning

George Bush issued travel warning by human rights organisations
Former president vulnerable to 'torture' prosecution, says US group after Swiss trip cancelled amid protest and arrest threats




"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:56 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

VICTORY !!!

HELL YES !



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall


Only way Obama gets an audience or applause these days is to hand out free chimichangas to homeless people, or have his IRS goon squads round up homeowners and threaten to audit them if they don't look happy enough.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


definition of a troll: "and I refuse to chase others in a mindless, endless circle of " debate " on the internet. If I 'bitch out' of a discussion, I've said all I'm going to say on the matter, my views have been presented, and there's nothing left to add."



RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies



And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster

I feel so vindicated.

"Just glad that some Democrats are acknowledging the bad job done in developing Healthcare.com." "it'll be interesting to see if these same Democrats acknowledge" "these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address" " it's about Democrats using criticism of the rollout in their campaign ads".





"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:26 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Were you aware that Bushco can't go ANYWHERE? That's how popular they were.



I have no idea what that's even suppose to mean. Bush isn't the of any issue of this thread. Obama is.

I know you WANT to divert attention away from Obama, but there's simply no denying it. Not now. Not after his colossal failures.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


definition of a troll: "and I refuse to chase others in a mindless, endless circle of " debate " on the internet. If I 'bitch out' of a discussion, I've said all I'm going to say on the matter, my views have been presented, and there's nothing left to add."



RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies



And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster

I feel so vindicated.

"Just glad that some Democrats are acknowledging the bad job done in developing Healthcare.com." "it'll be interesting to see if these same Democrats acknowledge" "these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address" " it's about Democrats using criticism of the rollout in their campaign ads".







"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:16 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Another stellar thread Auraptor.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, March 31, 2014 7:27 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Sidebar.
Rappy, have you read Elizabeth Moon? The last of her 10 book work comes out in May - in lands of Elves, Wizards, Dwarves, Gnomes, Orcs, Paladins. Sorry, no Hobbits have shown up yet.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
That's a very interesting clip. It's also very telling. It tells me that perhaps Obama's utter lack of leadership and his weakening of America has actually woken Europe up from its post-World War II complacency daze. They know Obama is a liar. They know Obama can't be trusted. They know Obama is a pussy. They know that he will betray an ally. They know Obama won't rescue them from their own recklessness and stupidity. For the first time in decades, Europe is scared. They're realizing that the America that saved them from the Nazis and then protected them during the Cold War doesn't exist anymore.




To play Devil's Advocate here, Europe does need a tall,strong glass of wake-up. Not unlike Boromir's speech to the Coucil in Rivendell... " By the blood of our people are your lands kept safe ", our military has enabled Europe to spend far less on theirs and more on social engineering programs, welfare, and the like.

A diminished USA is bad enough. But now that Vlad the Conqueror is on the move, and it's plain as day that Obama would rather sing Kumbaya instead of standing up to this regional bully, there's a collective cold sweat breaking out across the land.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall


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Monday, March 31, 2014 10:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Despite your casual dismissal of my position, I do know what the options are, and none of them are good for us. What do you want to do about Putin?



It's not that I disagree so much , it's that we've kinda painted ourselves into a corner now, and there's not much we CAN do. But that doesn't mean we're completely out of options.

Offer to supply them w/ natural gas, is one possibility. Do more to comfort Poland and others that we're still on their side. Work w/ NATO to reassure them we're not going anywhere... lots of things we could do, none involving direct military action, but Barry simply refuses.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, March 31, 2014 11:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Sidebar.
Rappy, have you read Elizabeth Moon? The last of her 10 book work comes out in May - in lands of Elves, Wizards, Dwarves, Gnomes, Orcs, Paladins. Sorry, no Hobbits have shown up yet.




I tried, more than a few times, to branch out and read such tales by other authors, but Tolkien spoiled me. What can I say ? He's laid down such an intricate and full back story, a deep history of Middle Earth, that every time I tried to read other books, I just kept thinking " cheap knock off " , and lost interest.

I have started in on Butcher's Dresden Files, which seems pretty decent so far.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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