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Polar Bears Face Threats to Survival Thanks to Too Much Ice

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Monday, April 28, 2014 5:59 PM

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Five meters of ice– about 16 feet thick - is threatening the survival of polar bears in the Southern Beaufort Sea region along Alaska’s Arctic coast, according to Dr. Susan J. Crockford, an evolutionary biologist in British Columbia who has studied polar bears for most of her 35-year career.

That’s because the thick ice ridges could prevent ringed seals, the bears’ major prey, from creating breathing holes they need to survive in the frigid waters, Crockford told CNSNews.com.



http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/04/28/polar-bears-face-
problems-thanks-to-too-much-ice-n1830450





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Monday, April 28, 2014 6:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


“What happens is that really thick ice moves in because currents and winds from Greenland and the Canadian islands push it against the shore,” Crockford told CNSNews.com.



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Monday, April 28, 2014 8:58 PM

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Monday, April 28, 2014 10:19 PM

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Currents and wind can move large bits of ice about, huh?

Gee, who knew ?

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Monday, April 28, 2014 10:37 PM

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Gee, who knew ?

Not YOU, clearly.

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Monday, April 28, 2014 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Gee, who knew ?

Not YOU, clearly.



Actually, I did. The idea that wind and currents, not " AGW " , is the primary cause of less ice in the arctic isn't new.

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From the release: A team led by Son Nghiem of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., studied trends in Arctic perennial ice cover by combining data from NASA’s Quick Scatterometer (QuikScat) satellite with a computing model based on observations of sea ice drift from the International Arctic Buoy Programme. QuikScat can identify and map different classes of sea ice, including older, thicker perennial ice and younger, thinner seasonal ice.

“Unusual atmospheric conditions set up wind patterns that compressed the sea ice, loaded it into the Transpolar Drift Stream and then sped its flow out of the Arctic,” said Son Nghiem of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and leader of the study. When that sea ice reached lower latitudes, it rapidly melted in the warmer waters.

In simpler terms, polar wind patterns changed and blew sea ice further south to warmer waters than it normally would. Sea ice can easily be wind driven.



http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/quikscat-20071001.html

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Monday, April 28, 2014 11:09 PM

CHRISISALL


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Actually, I did.

HA! Just more Right Wing lies!

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:44 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"From the release: A team led by Son Nghiem of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., ..." blah blah blah


Yes, in 2007. And before then? Or since then?



Average ice extent for March 2014 was the fifth lowest for the month in the satellite record. Through 2014, the linear rate of decline for March ice extent is 2.6% per decade relative to the 1981 to 2010 average.

Gosh, it sure looks like the ice is on a longer-term decline. Wouldn't you agree?





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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:31 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, I did.

HA! Just more Right Wing lies!



How is it a lie ? Prove it.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:32 AM

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1kiki - global temps haven't been rising for the past 17 years, so how do you explain this alleged decline ?

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 10:28 AM

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More rappy patented stupidity...




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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, I did. The idea that wind and currents, not " AGW " , is the primary cause of less ice in the arctic isn't new.



So...wind and currents are not parts in the climate?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, I did. The idea that wind and currents, not " AGW " , is the primary cause of less ice in the arctic isn't new.



So...wind and currents are not parts in the climate?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



They aren't rising temps, are they?

Or are you going to contine to extrapolate EVERY damn thing wrong in the world as being from AGW ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:45 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"... global temps haven't been rising for the past 17 years ..."

But they have been. Lordy lordy lordy - can't you learn how to use reliable data sources? What your propagandists have got you confused about (and how did THAT ever happen?) is that overall LAND temperatures are still going up - but more slowly than before. OTOH deep ocean temperatures are zooming, and polar ice is melting.

So - average global land temperatures. From NASA. Still going up.

And polar ice. From NASA. Still going down.


Or, you can plug your ears and close your eyes. I'm done. Data - accept it it not. Here it is.



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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:09 PM

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More ice in Antarctica says " hi! ".




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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:36 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
More ice in Antarctica says " hi! ".




Thin ice, that sits at the surface and fools morons into thinking its more, says you're an idiot.


Actually, thinking about it - damned near every conversation you attempt to participate in makes you look like an idiot.



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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:35 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
More ice in Antarctica says " hi! ".




Thin ice, that sits at the surface and fools morons into thinking its more, says you're an idiot.


Actually, thinking about it - damned near every conversation you attempt to participate in makes you look like an idiot.



"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



Caveats & name calling.

SOP

Meanwhile, the " idiots " have their say...

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A former NASA scientist has described global warming as "nonsense", dismissing the theory of man-made climate change as "an unsubstantiated hypothesis" and saying that it is "absolutely stupid" to blame the recent UK floods on human activity.
Professor Les Woodcock, who has had a long and distinguished academic career, also said there is "no reproducible evidence" that carbon dioxide levels have increased over the past century, and blamed the green movement for inflicting economic damage on ordinary people

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/26/Former-NASA-Scien
tist-Global-Warming-is-Nonsense





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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:40 PM

CHRISISALL


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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/26/Former-NASA-Scien
tist-Global-Warming-is-Nonsense



FORMER NASA scientist. Accent on the FORMER.
Your sites are bad & your picks are lousy.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:36 PM

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LOL @ Chrissy.

Does all his knowledge & experience evaporate once he is no longer at nasa ?

You crack me up.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:54 PM

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Does all his knowledge & experience evaporate once he is no longer at nasa ?


He WAS a researcher. Chemical guy. Thermodynamics. Not weather. Wanna get a the opinion of a cardiovascular surgeon from the Mayo Clinic too?

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:50 PM

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Bet he knows more about co2 than you.


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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:39 PM

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Bet he knows more about co2 than you.

Probably true, on a molecular level.

If you wanted to link to something with any weight at all, this would have served you better IMO:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/nasa-global-warming-letter-as
tronauts_n_1418017.html

You're welcome.
But even there, they're just people who had cool jobs, not experts. And, like people can be, probably with their own political motivations behind their opinions that interfere with the actual facts involved.
For about 15 years now, average global surface land temperatures have been levelling off. Anti-climate change peeps like to cite this as their proof of the nothingness to it. But they don't take into account the seas, where most of the heat gets collected. When taken into account, no, there IS no levelling off. It's a steady increase.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:40 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
More ice in Antarctica says " hi! ".




Thin ice, that sits at the surface and fools morons into thinking its more, says you're an idiot.


Actually, thinking about it - damned near every conversation you attempt to participate in makes you look like an idiot.



"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



Caveats & name calling.

SOP

Meanwhile, the " idiots " have their say...

Quote:


A former NASA scientist has described global warming as "nonsense", dismissing the theory of man-made climate change as "an unsubstantiated hypothesis" and saying that it is "absolutely stupid" to blame the recent UK floods on human activity.
Professor Les Woodcock, who has had a long and distinguished academic career, also said there is "no reproducible evidence" that carbon dioxide levels have increased over the past century, and blamed the green movement for inflicting economic damage on ordinary people

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/26/Former-NASA-Scien
tist-Global-Warming-is-Nonsense







Truth and accuracy. The ice is thinner, there isn't as much, despite your false claims - making you accurately labeled an idiot.

And one guy, who worked in a different field.... on a brietbart site.... Its adorable that you think that counts as legitimate.




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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:58 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Truth and accuracy. The ice is thinner, there isn't as much, despite your false claims - making you accurately labeled an idiot.

And one guy, who worked in a different field.... on a brietbart site.... Its adorable that you think that counts as legitimate.



Just one guy, on a Briebart site ? What's that even suppose to mean ?
Do you even know ?

Professor Woodcock is Emeritus Professor of Chemical Thermodynamics at the University of Manchester and has authored over 70 academic papers for a wide range of scientific journals. He received his PhD from the University of London, and is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Chemistry, a recipient of a Max Planck Society Visiting Fellowship, and a founding editor the journal Molecular Simulation

Legitimate.

How absolutely PRECIOUS that you try to discredit him though !!!



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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:36 PM

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Professor Woodcock is Emeritus Professor of Chemical Thermodynamics at the University of


Whatever.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 9:50 PM

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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, I did. The idea that wind and currents, not " AGW " , is the primary cause of less ice in the arctic isn't new.



So...wind and currents are not parts in the climate?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Hahahah. Spat my coffee out.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 10:45 PM

CHRISISALL


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He received his PhD from the University of London, and is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Chemistry, a recipient of a Max Planck Society Visiting Fellowship, and a founding editor the journal Molecular Simulation

But can he juggle geese?

AU, you pompous git.
(That was for your tag line)

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
He received his PhD from the University of London, and is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Chemistry, a recipient of a Max Planck Society Visiting Fellowship, and a founding editor the journal Molecular Simulation

But can he juggle geese?

AU, you pompous git.
(That was for your tag line)



So being right, yet once again, is what makes you think I'm a pompous git ?

Huh.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:38 PM

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So being right, yet once again, is what makes you think I'm a pompous git ?

No, you're being a pompous git about does it.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"no reproducible evidence"

from NOAA



So, data, meet rappy. I hope he says HI. Though it looks like the Arctic ice data and global temperature data scared him so much he can't even mention them.






OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Meanwhile, Antarctic ice VOLUME (as well as Greenland's) declines.





OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:43 PM

CHRISISALL


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So being right, yet once again

Can I use that for MY tag line now?

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Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

So, data, meet rappy. I hope he says HI. Though it looks like the Arctic ice data and global temperature data scared him so much he can't even mention them.



Apparently you don't comprehend the term ' reproducible evidence ' .

Nor do you appear to be able to read very well.

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Professor Les Woodcock, who has had a long and distinguished academic career, also said there is "no reproducible evidence"


Prof. Woodstock said that. Not I, darlin.

If that bunches up your granny pants, deal w/ him.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:03 PM

CHRISISALL


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Apparently you don't comprehend the term ' reproducible evidence '

Bored now.
There can be no reproducible evidence, dork. The Earth is, like, BIG. Show me another we can do a double blind on.
Gorram idiot.

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Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"also said there is "no reproducible"

To what was he referring? Arctic ice extent? Global temperatures? Antarctic ice volume? None of the above? ... "also said there is "no reproducible evidence" that carbon dioxide levels have increased over the past century, ..." Hmmm, it MIGHT just be possible he was referring to CO2 levels.

What do YOU think rappy? Do YOU think he was referring to CO2 levels? Then what do you make of actual measurements showing CO2 go up - year after year after decade. Do YOU think that if it keeps happening it might just be reproducible? Or would you rather ignore actual real world results and pay attention to a - yanno - 'authority'?

And meanwhile - no comment on actual data. Global temperatures - still increasing. Arctic ice - still decreasing. CO2 - yep, increasing, reproducibly, year after year. And Antarctic ice - still - decreasing.



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

Just waiting to see how you'll continue to dodge facts ...

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Thursday, May 1, 2014 11:21 AM

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I love how the fuckwit refuses to listen to those who are experts in climatology - but thinks a guy with degrees in a different field is unassailable.

He can't be that stupid. He can't. He's just playing his role - trolling away.




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Thursday, May 1, 2014 7:29 PM

CHRISISALL


Here's an article on the climate conspiracy:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/30/1295885/-40-years-of-science-
destroyed-by-one-old-magazine-article?detail=email


Quote:

That this is a global scientific konspiracy. Thus scientisits in Brazil, England, South Africa, Germany, etc., instead of trying to overthrow their own countries are trying to overthrow the government of the United States.
That's diabolical!


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Friday, May 2, 2014 12:47 AM

1KIKI

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bump

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Friday, May 2, 2014 10:28 PM

1KIKI

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... de bump



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Friday, May 9, 2014 7:34 AM

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WASHINGTON — Janet L. Yellen, the Federal Reserve chairwoman ... The labor market is slowly improving. “With the harsh winter behind us, many recent indicators suggest that a rebound in spending and production is...


Whuzzat ? A " harsh winter " ?

Really?

Huh.

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Saturday, May 10, 2014 2:07 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


George F. Will and Charles Krauthammer, two of the intellectual giants of the right, discussed the U.S. National Climate Assessment, which they dismissed with various irritable mental gestures. Their evasions and misstatements, clothed in faux-erudition, offer a useful entrance point to study the current state of the right-wing mind. --
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/05/krauthammer-george-will-a
ttack-climate-science.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, May 10, 2014 2:32 PM

CHRISISALL


Thing is, if we only produce 16% of the greenhouse gasses, and China & India are making more all the time, then there REALLY isn't any way to have that positive of an effect on AGW. In essence, we're screwed.

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Saturday, May 10, 2014 2:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Thing is, if we only produce 16% of the greenhouse gasses, and China & India are making more all the time, then there REALLY isn't any way to have that positive of an effect on AGW. In essence, we're screwed.

The strategy to limit climate change does not assume that limiting American emissions is a sufficient step to mitigate catastrophic climate change. It assumes it is a necessary step to mitigate catastrophic climate change. Countries like India and China have, in fact, taken steps to reduce their energy intensiveness. Given that those countries’ per capita greenhouse gas emissions are a small fraction of ours, there is no plausible or defensible path to securing an international agreement without a commitment by the countries with the highest per-capita emissions, like the U.S., to participate.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/05/krauthammer-george-will-a
ttack-climate-science.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, May 10, 2014 2:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Chris,isall

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emiss
ions

More like 17% CO2 (not counting other greenhouse gases) - but why quibble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emiss
ions_per_capita

The point is if the United States emitted CO2 like 'Europe' (composite) we'd be at 8, or like Germany we'd be at 7. That's a 10% drop in total global CO2 emissions the US could achieve all on its own, without sacrificing a modern technological western lifestyle.



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Originally posted by second:
there is no plausible or defensible path to securing an international agreement without a commitment by the countries with the highest per-capita emissions, like the U.S., to participate.

Logical.
I just don't want us to be making the air cleaner & more breathable for nothing.

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