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Benghazi. Bad intel, or a constructed lie ?

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Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:49 PM

AURAPTOR

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“Falsely portrayed the Benghazi terrorist attack as a spontaneous protest against an anti-Muslim YouTube video, and then lied about the White House’s involvement.”
“Illegally revealed the existence of sealed indictments in the Benghazi investigation.”
“Ended some terror asylum restrictions, by allowing asylum for people who provided only ‘insignificant’ or ‘limited’ material support of terrorists.”
“Implemented portions of the DREAM Act, which Congress rejected, by executive action.”
“Issued signing statements, refusing to enforce parts of congressional-enacted statutes.”
“Illegally granted businesses a waiver from Obamacare’s employer mandate. Twice.”
“Illegally continued the Obamacare employer contribution for congressional staffs.”
“Illegally delayed the Obamacare caps on out-of-pocket healthcare payments.”
“Illegally delayed Obamacare verification of eligibility for healthcare subsidies.”
“Illegally required people to violate their faith via the Obamacare contraception mandate.”
“As of May 2011, over 50% of Obamacare waiver beneficiaries were union members (who account for less than 12% of the American work force).”
“Ordered Boeing to fire 1,000 employees in South Carolina and shut down a new factory because it was non-union”
“Terminated the pensions of 20,000 non-union Delphi employees in the GM bankruptcy.”
“Implemented a moratorium on offshore drilling after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill without statutory authority, and continued to enact new versions after federal courts repeatedly invalidated the moratorium.”
“Government agencies are engaging in ‘Operation Choke Point,’ where the government asks banks to ‘choke off’ access to financial services for customers engaging in conduct the Administration does not like—such as ‘ammunition sales.’”
“Had SWAT teams raid a Gibson guitar factory and seize property, on the purported basis that Gibson had broken India’s environmental laws—but no charges were filed.”

You can access the full report here:

http://www.cruz.senate.gov/files/documents/The%20Legal%20Limit/The%20L
egal%20Limit%20Report%204.pdf

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Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:06 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


Ted Cruz is a shyster. Nothing more. Much of what he is talking about in that hack list is the president using the powers act. Something he has done about 139 times. George Bush used it about 220 times. Ted Cruz led the charge to shut down the government by goading congress. Then he stood at the world war 2 memorial and blamed Obama for it. What a joke. A shyster. Even the republican party hates the guy.




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Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:13 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Ted Cruz is a shyster. Nothing more. Much of what he is talking about in that hack list is the president using the powers act. Something he has done about 139 times. George Bush used it about 220 times. Ted Cruz led the charge to shut down the government by goading congress. Then he stood at the world war 2 memorial and blamed Obama for it. What a joke. A shyster. Even the republican party hates the guy.






Ted Cruz knows more about the US Constitution than Obama and any gaggle of posters here, combined.

Scuzzy Harry Reid and Obama shut down the govt, not Cruz.

Obama orchestrated the WW2 Memorial shut down, as pay back to the proud generation that helped save this country, and world, for freedom.

And it's a proud badge of honor to wear that the old guard country club GOP dicks hate Ted. He reminds them of what a REAL conservative is suppose to be.

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Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:17 PM

JONGSSTRAW


I agree with you above, but why do you think Cruz put out that list?

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Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:24 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Ted Cruz is a shyster. Nothing more. Much of what he is talking about in that hack list is the president using the powers act. Something he has done about 139 times. George Bush used it about 220 times. Ted Cruz led the charge to shut down the government by goading congress. Then he stood at the world war 2 memorial and blamed Obama for it. What a joke. A shyster. Even the republican party hates the guy.






Ted Cruz knows more about the US Constitution than Obama and any gaggle of posters here, combined.

Scuzzy Harry Reid and Obama shut down the govt, not Cruz.

Obama orchestrated the WW2 Memorial shut down, as pay back to the proud generation that helped save this country, and world, for freedom.

And it's a proud badge of honor to wear that the old guard country club GOP dicks hate Ted. He reminds them of what a REAL conservative is suppose to be.



A SHYSTER; a lawyer who uses unprofessional or questionable methods.

blessedness was only seen by flying

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Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:06 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Scuzzy Harry Reid and Obama shut down the govt, not Cruz.


Sorry, try again. This has been debunked. Once again, you are demonstrably in error, and ensconced in the endless anti-whom-you-hate bullshit. Feel free to go on, and prove yourself more the idiot than you have already (Heh, if that's even possible at this point).
You proved me right here.
Thanks.

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Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:20 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Scuzzy Harry Reid and Obama shut down the govt, not Cruz.


Sorry, try again. This has been debunked. Once again, you are demonstrably in error, and ensconced in the endless anti-whom-you-hate bullshit. Feel free to go on, and prove yourself more the idiot than you have already (Heh, if that's even possible at this point).
You proved me right here.b
Thanks.


Debunked .....riiiiight. And those Ceylon fighters headed towards the fleet are only going to provide escort for the treaty signing.

What was that?
That was my son.
(turns around) Baltar?
What have I done?!

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Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:28 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
those Ceylon fighters

British Ceylon was granted independence as Ceylon. In 1972, Ceylon became a republic within the Commonwealth, and its name was changed to Sri Lanka. They do not possess fighters.



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Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:40 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Actually they do ...



Sorry, I meant Sighlons, not Ceylons.

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Friday, May 9, 2014 1:25 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Faux keeps spinning, and rappy dances to their tune. Nothing to see here, again.



This very well may end Obama & Hillary's time in the White House.

That ain't nothing.



Good, then we could go back to filling the pockets of Halliburton and Emperor Palpatine. Back to double digit inflation, Wall Street and banking advances, and possibly invading Iran (there's oil in them thar hills). Back to World Dominance. Oh, one more thing..........no voter fraud. Everything will be peachy keen because the right wing, er, I mean.....the conservatives
would have been right about Global Warming.

By the way, I have a bridge to sell ya, it's in Brooklyn.


SGG

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Friday, May 9, 2014 2:06 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Obama, before becoming president, was a professor at the University of Chicago Law School for 12 years, who's expertise was in Constitutional Law.

Cruz was an adjunct professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law, where he taught US Supreme Court litigation for 5 years.

Both, I imagine, know the Constitution. But in politics that doesn't matter. Cruz will use any means necessary to gain power in the political arena, including lie, cheat and steal. I ask you, can you really trust a Canadian?

Seriously, Congress controls the purse strings of this country. if they decide to stop payment, there is nothing the president can do. And so, the Republican-controlled Congress rolled the dice and tried to strong-arm the president into giving in to their demands. Congress blinked first!

Cruz tucked his tail between his legs and cowered in the corner. And no amount of rearranging the truth can change that fact. He bluffed and the president called his bluff. It's as simple as that.

And now the sleaze-balls in the NRCC are raising funds off 4 dead Americans, and Boehner refuses to tell them to cease and desist. Shameless hucksters and snake-oil men, the lot of them.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Ted Cruz is a shyster. Nothing more. Much of what he is talking about in that hack list is the president using the powers act. Something he has done about 139 times. George Bush used it about 220 times. Ted Cruz led the charge to shut down the government by goading congress. Then he stood at the world war 2 memorial and blamed Obama for it. What a joke. A shyster. Even the republican party hates the guy.






Ted Cruz knows more about the US Constitution than Obama and any gaggle of posters here, combined.

Scuzzy Harry Reid and Obama shut down the govt, not Cruz.

Obama orchestrated the WW2 Memorial shut down, as pay back to the proud generation that helped save this country, and world, for freedom.

And it's a proud badge of honor to wear that the old guard country club GOP dicks hate Ted. He reminds them of what a REAL conservative is suppose to be.


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Friday, May 9, 2014 6:33 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I agree with you above, but why do you think Cruz put out that list?



It's from a report, that documents the abuse of power from the Executive Branch.

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Friday, May 9, 2014 6:35 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:

A SHYSTER; a lawyer who uses unprofessional or questionable methods.




Name 1 thing which Cruz has done that's unprofessional or questionable.

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Friday, May 9, 2014 6:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Obama, before becoming president, was a professor at the University of Chicago Law School for 12 years, who's expertise was in Constitutional Law.

Cruz was an adjunct professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law, where he taught US Supreme Court litigation for 5 years.

Both, I imagine, know the Constitution. But in politics that doesn't matter. Cruz will use any means necessary to gain power in the political arena, including lie, cheat and steal. I ask you, can you really trust a Canadian?



I trust a Canadian more than I trust a radical Socialist Kenyan, any gorram day.

Quote:



Seriously, Congress controls the purse strings of this country. if they decide to stop payment, there is nothing the president can do. And so, the Republican-controlled Congress rolled the dice and tried to strong-arm the president into giving in to their demands. Congress blinked first!



Yes, because they're a bunch of spineless, country club establishment types who can't see past the end of D.C. bar at which they've grown so accustomed drinking.

Quote:



Cruz tucked his tail between his legs and cowered in the corner. And no amount of rearranging the truth can change that fact. He bluffed and the president called his bluff. It's as simple as that.



He's done no such thing. He tried to do the right thing, and the cowards around him quit.

Quote:



And now the sleaze-balls in the NRCC are raising funds off 4 dead Americans, and Boehner refuses to tell them to cease and desist. Shameless hucksters and snake-oil men, the lot of them.


SGG




It's called holding the people in power ACCOUNTABLE, you dumbass. This admin flat out lied about Benghazi, then stalled, so they could get re-elected. No one knows why Amb Stevens was even there, on 9-11, with a skeleton security crew, when all our other allies had bugged out. The threat of violence was very real, and EVERYONE knew it. Then the admin pitched this bullshit story about a youtube video because not only did it give the MSM a reason not to look further as to why Stevens was there in the first place, it also covered up the notion that al-Qaeda was dead. Joe ( Big fucking deal ) Biden was able to pitch the heinous campaign line " al-Qaeda is dead, and GM is alive ) , based on the idea that Obama had the terrorists on the run.

Oops, guess not so much in Libya, where we had just " liberated " an oppressed nation, as we lead from behind.

There is so much going on here that myrmidons don't see because you don't WANT to see. The facts are laid out bare for you, and you clinch your eyes shut because ...goddammit, the GOP are 100% right on this one, and you fucking HATE the GOP! Obama was the messiah, wasn't he ? He CAN'T be this wrong, this corrupt, and or this incompetent !


Yes, he can. And he is.

It's as simple as that.

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Friday, May 9, 2014 9:16 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


I will just repost this because it shows the White House went with what the CIA was saying at the time. That means no lie.

Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
http://news.yahoo.com/gop-enemy-wealthy-donors-democrats-142600330.htm
l


He is not correct. The CIA station chief may have made that report, but that is not what the CIA gave to the White House.







See the CIA would take all the information in, not just what a single station chief reports.



I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, May 9, 2014 9:26 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Repost it 1000 times if you want, there absolutely was a lie , and a cover up , to go along with unfathonable callousness by this admin to use the 4 coffins as props to go after a filmmaker instead of the attackers.

None of which have faced ANY level of justice, at all, by this admin.

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Friday, May 9, 2014 10:08 AM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:

A SHYSTER; a lawyer who uses unprofessional or questionable methods.




Name 1 thing which Cruz has done that's unprofessional or questionable.



He cajoled the House into voting to shut down the government and then tried to back out when it was his turn really pissing off the house. He pushed for it solely for personal gains to cow tow to a small percentage of Republicans. This action threatened the lively hoods of many people and the recover process going on in this country.

Shyster




blessedness was only seen by flying

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Friday, May 9, 2014 10:55 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
there absolutely was a lie , and a cover up



Sorry, try again. This has been debunked. Once again, you are demonstrably in error, and ensconced in the endless anti-whom-you-hate bullshit. Feel free to go on, and prove yourself more the idiot than you have already (Heh, if that's even possible at this point).
You proved me right here.
Thanks.

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Friday, May 9, 2014 1:03 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
where's the outrage?

Right here.



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Friday, May 9, 2014 1:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

You HONESTLY don't think this admin faked the video story in order to cover for Obama's incompetence , which was right before the election ?
It was a lie, but it wasn't used to cover up incompetence, it was used to cover up the fact that Benghazi was being used as an arms transshipment point, from jihadists in Libya to jihadists in Syria, via Turkey.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-
line

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Friday, May 9, 2014 2:43 PM

STORYMARK


Lets talk lies related to Benghazi:

John Mica (R-Fla.), asked General Robert Lovell if the military could have responded in time. His on-record response was no, they could not.

Mica then went into the hearing the very next day, and claimed that Lovell has said the exact opposite.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/09/john-mica-benghazi_n_5294767.
html




“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

Americans killed under Obama due to "intelligence failures": 4

Americans killed under Bush due to "intelligence failures": 7000+

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Friday, May 9, 2014 7:00 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:

A SHYSTER; a lawyer who uses unprofessional or questionable methods.




Name 1 thing which Cruz has done that's unprofessional or questionable.



He cajoled the House into voting to shut down the government and then tried to back out when it was his turn really pissing off the house. He pushed for it solely for personal gains to cow tow to a small percentage of Republicans. This action threatened the lively hoods of many people and the recover process going on in this country.

Shyster


The House cannot shut down the government. The Senate cannot propose Spending, Expenditure, or Budget bills - or any Bills.
The House passed numerous Spending, Expenditure, and Budget Bills. Cruz would have voted for many of them, had not Harry Reid prevented the vote because he insisted on shutting down the government at Obama's behest.
The super extra spending of excessive expenses to block citizens from partaking in Private Parks was not part of shutting down the government, but merely Obama having a hissy fit

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Friday, May 9, 2014 8:36 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The House cannot shut down the government.



Sorry, try again. This has been debunked. Once again, you are demonstrably in error, and ensconced in the endless anti-whom-you-hate bullshit. Feel free to go on, and prove yourself more the idiot than you have already (Heh, if that's even possible at this point).
You proved me right here.
Thanks.

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Friday, May 9, 2014 8:41 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




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Friday, May 9, 2014 8:48 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:

He cajoled the House into voting to shut down the government and then tried to back out when it was his turn really pissing off the house. He pushed for it solely for personal gains to cow tow to a small percentage of Republicans. This action threatened the lively hoods of many people and the recover process going on in this country.

Shyster



So, the Jr SENATOR from Texas " cajoled " the House of Representatives, an entirely separate body of Congress ? Really? Wow. That's some level of power !

Get him into the White House, IMMEDIATELY!! If only the Jr Senator from Illinois turned President could be so persuasive !


Fact, is , SENATOR Cruz recognizes the oncoming danger of Obama's reckless spending. If anything, Cruz did this NOT at any personal gain, but quite the contrary. He KNEW it would cost him, and he STILL did it.

That, my friend, is the mark of a TRUE patriot.

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Friday, May 9, 2014 8:54 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fact, is , SENATOR Cruz recognizes the oncoming danger of Obama's reckless spending. If anything, Cruz did this NOT at any personal gain, but quite the contrary. He KNEW it would cost him, and he STILL did it.
That, my friend, is the mark of a TRUE patriot.



Sorry, try again. This has been debunked. Once again, you are demonstrably in error, and ensconced in the endless anti-whom-you-hate bullshit. Feel free to go on, and prove yourself more the idiot than you have already (Heh, if that's even possible at this point).
You proved me right here.
Thanks.

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Wednesday, May 14, 2014 8:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:

He cajoled the House into voting to shut down the government and then tried to back out when it was his turn really pissing off the house. He pushed for it solely for personal gains to cow tow to a small percentage of Republicans. This action threatened the lively hoods of many people and the recover process going on in this country.

Shyster



So, the Jr SENATOR from Texas " cajoled " the House of Representatives, an entirely separate body of Congress ? Really? Wow. That's some level of power !

Get him into the White House, IMMEDIATELY!! If only the Jr Senator from Illinois turned President could be so persuasive !


Fact, is , SENATOR Cruz recognizes the oncoming danger of Obama's reckless spending. If anything, Cruz did this NOT at any personal gain, but quite the contrary. He KNEW it would cost him, and he STILL did it.

That, my friend, is the mark of a TRUE patriot.


I don't think he's going to get that through his head.

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Wednesday, May 14, 2014 8:31 PM

CHRISISALL


Patriotism is the last refuge of a shithead.

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Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're letting it slide. Obama lies, and you're cool with it.

Lie of the year - if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

Coward

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing "


There is no smoking gun here with Benghazi and I believe this only plays to the right. It also makes many of us at the center pissed. With all the wasted votes" over 50 " to repeal the ACA, and all the time wasted on this, it just continues to show the Republicans look like when it comes to trying the help the middle class and the rest recover from all our jobs going to China and other places.


Benghazi 5 dead yes a tragedy.


This crap with Benghazi is a witch hunt to destroy Hillary Clinton and nothing more. Once again the Republicans go after a Clinton, and one can only speculate but I think this will again bite the Republicans in the .


Oooops.
Miker exposed as another gullible Libtard (in case somebody didn't already conjure that).

http://grumpyelder.com/2015/05/hillary-clinton-used-multiple-email-acc
ts-confidantes-libya-related-memos-surface
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