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Monday, October 17, 2022 7:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Cement is an extremely emissions-generating material, currently accounting for about eight percent of the world's global carbon emissions.

But Seratech carbon-neutral concrete wins the Obel Award 2022 because it stores CO2, rather than releasing it into the atmosphere.

The raw materials needed for Seratch's technology – carbon dioxide from industry and olivine, a magnesium iron silicate – are abundant around the globe. If industry cannot supply the carbon dioxide, then Draper says that Seratech could use an affordable direct air capture technology instead, drawing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

https://www.dezeen.com/2022/10/17/carbon-neutral-concrete-seratech-obe
l-award-2022
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two




Yup.

The only problem is that any time somebody claimed they can do that it ended up being a Kickstarter scam that ran away with millions.

And none of the "news" agencies reporting on their scam products ever apologized to anyone who funded the campaigns.

Good luck.

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Monday, October 17, 2022 7:38 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Cement is an extremely emissions-generating material, currently accounting for about eight percent of the world's global carbon emissions.

But Seratech carbon-neutral concrete wins the Obel Award 2022 because it stores CO2, rather than releasing it into the atmosphere.

The raw materials needed for Seratch's technology – carbon dioxide from industry and olivine, a magnesium iron silicate – are abundant around the globe. If industry cannot supply the carbon dioxide, then Draper says that Seratech could use an affordable direct air capture technology instead, drawing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

https://www.dezeen.com/2022/10/17/carbon-neutral-concrete-seratech-obe
l-award-2022
/#

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two




Yup.

The only problem is that any time somebody claimed they can do that it ended up being a Kickstarter scam that ran away with millions.

And none of the "news" agencies reporting on their scam products ever apologized to anyone who funded the campaigns.

Good luck.

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Until Seratech, or somebody, sells this product by the millions of tons per week, it won't make much difference.
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Seratech has developed a process that consumes olivine and waste CO2 from flue gases and produces two products which both have significant value in construction.

Silica is produced which can be used as a supplementary cementitious material (SCM) in concrete meaning the amount of Portland cement in the concrete can be reduced by up to 40%. As the silica comes from a process that captures CO2 it is “carbon negative” and the concrete can become carbon neutral.

Magnesium carbonate is produced that can be used to make a range of zero carbon construction materials and consumer products, including alternatives to building blocks and plasterboard.

https://www.seratechcement.com/our-technology



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Monday, October 17, 2022 8:59 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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If industry cannot supply the carbon dioxide, then Draper says that Seratech could use an affordable direct air capture technology instead, drawing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.



This is the part I was talking about though.

No. They can't do that.

I'm not saying that it can't be done, but I simply can't imagine any scenario where the technology would ever become cheap enough to be viable. Not for corporations like Seratech, and certainly not for regular users like you an me.

If they could actually do what Draper claimed they could do and make it work economically for their own firm, they would simply be able to ditch any single other thing they were ever working on and sell that technology to the world.


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Tuesday, October 18, 2022 6:11 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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I'm not saying that it can't be done, but I simply can't imagine any scenario where the technology would ever become cheap enough to be viable. Not for corporations like Seratech, and certainly not for regular users like you and me.

When talk about price comes up, the argument against global climate change is lost. The price for dumping CO2 directly into the air is always $0.00 per ton. No industrial product can compete with that price. And the price of $133.80 per ton of portland cement is so low that Seratech can't compete with that, either. Why pay $200.00 per ton for a substitute for portland cement?
https://www.ibisworld.com/us/bed/price-of-cement/190/

But there are other prices to pay, like $446.66 per metric ton of wheat in March 2022. Wheat will get very expensive if CO2 continues at always higher concentrations. Droughts and floods ruin wheat crops.
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/World/wheat_price/

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Tuesday, October 18, 2022 7:34 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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When talk about price comes up, the argument against global climate change is lost. The price for dumping CO2 directly into the air is always $0.00 per ton. No industrial product can compete with that price. And the price of $133.80 per ton of portland cement is so low that Seratech can't compete with that, either. Why pay $200.00 per ton for a substitute for portland cement?
https://www.ibisworld.com/us/bed/price-of-cement/190/



Here's an idea. Give the companies that use the $73 per ton for the new product tax breaks for using it for "X" amount of years until it becomes standard with the dumb-ass Inflation Reduction Act instead of $7,000 tax credits for people buying EVs that don't work. Ford, GM and everybody else already raised the prices of their EVs $7,000 immediately after that bill was passed, so the only people making out on that deal are the executives at the car companies.

I guess then we just sit back and pray that the new product does what they claim it to do and we don't see buildings and bridges falling out from under people every day 10 or 20 years from now because we stopped using a tried and true product we've used forever because you're scared that the environment is going to die.

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But there are other prices to pay, like $446.66 per metric ton of wheat in March 2022. Wheat will get very expensive if CO2 continues at always higher concentrations. Droughts and floods ruin wheat crops.



I'm sure you and most people in the world could use a little less gluten in your diet, fatty.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2022 7:42 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Nuclear Fusion and Climate Change: 'We Need Every Technology We Can Get'

https://www.newsweek.com/nuclear-fusion-climate-change-pollution-carbo
n-1752330


Merkel says no regrets over Germany’s Russia gas deals

https://www.thelocal.de/20221013/merkel-says-no-regrets-over-germanys-
russia-gas-deals
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France sets course for a nuclear renaissance

https://www.ft.com/content/ce27b34a-b6d3-4bb3-840b-f4b1c8436641

Extraordinary first images emerge of mangled Nord Stream: 165ft of blown-up Baltic Sea gas pipe is 'either missing or buried

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11326855/Extraordinary-images
-emerge-mangled-Nord-Stream-attacked-extreme-force.html


Germany set to backtrack on nuclear phaseout

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-set-to-extend-nuclear-power-du
e-to-much-worse-energy-situation-in-france
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Tuesday, October 18, 2022 7:46 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Merkel says no regrets over Germany’s Russia gas deals



Easy for her to say. She raped the country like a Pelosi while she was in power. She's not going to be the one paying for her mistakes while the German girls are being raped in back alleys by the Muslims Merkel unleashed on her people this winter while they're out trying to find shit to throw into the oil drum their family is using to heat their homes.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2022 10:43 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I guess then we just sit back and pray that the new product does what they claim it to do and we don't see buildings and bridges falling out from under people every day 10 or 20 years from now because we stopped using a tried and true product we've used forever because you're scared that the environment is going to die.

The Corpus Christi New Harbor bridge construction was stopped because the Trumptards who designed it didn't calculate the concrete flexing when stressed during a hurricane. Things fail because average people lack imagination about ordinary, concrete, real things such as CO2 and hurricanes. Instead, they imagine unreal dangers and fear displeasing the supernatural and their long-dead ancestors.

It took 300,000 years to go from a genius discovering fire to the technology level in the year 2200 B.C. when another genius discovered the wheel. Wheels were too complex to even imagine before then. Nowadays, some geniuses have discovered how to prevent CO2 from destroying the climate and very average people can't imagine what it is all about since it's too complex for them, making them fearful about bridges and buildings falling down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel#History

What Really Happened at the New Harbor Bridge Project?
1,209,343 views Sep 20, 2022 -An overview of the drama unfolding over the ship channel in Corpus Christi, Texas.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, October 18, 2022 11:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I guess then we just sit back and pray that the new product does what they claim it to do and we don't see buildings and bridges falling out from under people every day 10 or 20 years from now because we stopped using a tried and true product we've used forever because you're scared that the environment is going to die.

The Corpus Christi New Harbor bridge construction was stopped because the Trumptards who designed it didn't calculate the concrete flexing when stressed during a hurricane. Things fail because average people lack imagination about ordinary, concrete, real things such as CO2 and hurricanes. Instead, they imagine unreal dangers and fear displeasing the supernatural and their long-dead ancestors.

It took 300,000 years to go from a genius discovering fire to the technology level in the year 2200 B.C. when another genius discovered the wheel. Wheels were too complex to even imagine before then. Nowadays, some geniuses have discovered how to prevent CO2 from destroying the climate and very average people can't imagine what it is all about since it's too complex for them, making them fearful about bridges and buildings falling down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel#History

What Really Happened at the New Harbor Bridge Project?
1,209,343 views Sep 20, 2022 -An overview of the drama unfolding over the ship channel in Corpus Christi, Texas.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



I never said you shouldn't use it. Have at it. I also never said that the new product won't work.

I'm just saying that the people in charge of the Science narrative have been wrong about a lot
recently and can't tell you what a Woman is anymore.

I also personally don't give a shit if it does or doesn't work since I'll never be using it
for any of my projects and it will be tested in states like California and New York long before
it ever makes its way into the infrastructure in the flyover states.

Good luck with the new product. Hopefully you're not driving on a bridge that's made of it 10
years from now in your Ford F-150 Lightning that can't haul anything when it collapses on you
because it was rushed into use faster than a covid shot that will make your heart explode while
doing chores.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2022 1:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Romans were using volcanic ash in their cement to make roadways and aquaducts, Pieces are still standing today. It's a durable material that doesn't need reinforcement rods when used for compresional load and for some applications that need shearing strength.

we have tons and tons of the equivalent of volcani ash already at-hand, it's called flyash: the tiny spherical particles that remain when the carbon from a piece of pulverized coal is burned off. Coal-burning power plants generate mountains of it.

It can be used to replace some portion of traditional portland cement (calcined limestone, sand, and other matrials) to produce a product with slower set times but superior strength.
https://gccassociation.org/cement-and-concrete-innovation/clinker-subs
titutes/fly-ash
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Another useful material for making cement: old tires. The carbon in the tires is good fuel, and the sulfur (used to harden rubber) and iron (from steel-belted radials) are useful additions to cement.
https://www.wasterecyclingmag.ca/feature/making-cement-with-tires/

In addition, ground-up tires make durable roadway surfaces and flexible cement
https://www.familyhandyman.com/article/can-recycled-tires-make-durable
-concrete
/

By up-cycling, you can make a second use of the energy and water needed to [roduce the original material and save yourself a disposal headache.

Interesting info about cement, SECOND. For various reasons I wound up looking deeply into cement-making chemistry. It's a complex product of limestone (calcium carbonate >>> calcium oxide) and silica literally melted together, along with iron, sulfur and other additions. There are five different common types for different uses, but it's a complex material and its gel-forming chemistry is still a bit of a mystery.

SIX: carbon dioxide can be recovered most economically from flue-gases. I'm not sure what process would be used, but since CO2 is considered an "acid gas" in can be absorbed into a basic solution like one of the ethanolamines (which absorb SO2 and CO2 but let nitrogen and oxygen through) and then released from solution with a little bit of heat as almost-pure CO2.

But you can recover it from the atmo: companies that produce specialty gases like liquid oxygen and liquid nitrogen use atmospheric gas as their starting material and compress/refigerate it. The first compression drops out water and many impurities, the second compresion drops out CO2. (And then O2/argon, and then N2) Anyway, there are half-dozen ways that I can think of to capture CO2 for later use.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2022 1:44 PM

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I'm not saying that there isn't a way to capture CO2 gasses. Of course there are ways.

Nobody has ever come up with a model that makes it economically feasible though.

Until that happens, they won't be used except for in niche markets where it is necessitated.

If they had an economic model that would extract CO2 from the atmosphere and make it profitable on a grand scale, we'd already be doing it and nobody would be talking about climate change.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2022 2:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not saying that there isn't a way to capture CO2 gasses. Of course there are ways.

Nobody has ever come up with a model that makes it economically feasible though.

Until that happens, they won't be used except for in niche markets where it is necessitated.

If they had an economic model that would extract CO2 from the atmosphere and make it profitable on a grand scale, we'd already be doing it and nobody would be talking about climate change.

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Actually, there is. It's called forestry and cover crops. But nobody wants to bother with it bc it's detailed work.



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Tuesday, October 18, 2022 2:43 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yanno SECOND, instead of slagging SIX all the time you should be promoting his lifestyle.

If we all (including you) lived like SIX ... buying only what is necessary, conserving and upgrading what exists, upcycling and re-using as necessary - we wouldn't have as much of a CO2 problem.

I'm all for technical innovation, but there are also tried and true fixes for our various environmental disasters, and if we look in our trash cans and landfills (and Pentagon stockpiles) we can see part of the problem right there. There are no magic (technical) wands for that.

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Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:48 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not saying that there isn't a way to capture CO2 gasses. Of course there are ways.

Nobody has ever come up with a model that makes it economically feasible though.

Until that happens, they won't be used except for in niche markets where it is necessitated.

If they had an economic model that would extract CO2 from the atmosphere and make it profitable on a grand scale, we'd already be doing it and nobody would be talking about climate change.

I know I can't get you to pay attention because price and profit are the only things you care about, but Climate change is a threat to civilization while the high price of gasoline is not.

Daniel Steel, C. Tyler DesRoches, and Kian Mintz-Woo write:

In a speech about climate change from April 4th of this year, UN General Secretary António Guterres lambasted “the empty pledges that put us on track to an unlivable world” and warned that “we are on a fast track to climate disaster”. Although stark, Guterres’ statements were not novel. Guterres has made similar remarks on previous occasions, as have other public figures, including Sir David Attenborough, who warned in 2018 that inaction on climate change could lead to “the collapse of our civilizations”. In their article, “World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency 2021”—which now has more than 14,700 signatories from 158 countries—William J. Ripple and colleagues state that climate change could “cause significant disruptions to ecosystems, society, and economies, potentially making large areas of Earth uninhabitable”.

Because civilization cannot exist in unlivable or uninhabitable places, all of the above warnings can be understood as asserting the potential for anthropogenic climate change to cause civilization collapse (or “climate collapse”) to a greater or lesser extent. Yet despite discussing many adverse impacts, climate science literature, as synthesized for instance by assessment reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), has little at all to say about whether or under which conditions climate change might threaten civilization. Although a body of scientific research exists on historical and archeological cases of collapse, discussions of mechanisms whereby climate change might cause the collapse of current civilizations has mostly been the province of journalists, philosophers, novelists, and filmmakers. We believe that this should change.

Here we call for treating the mechanisms and uncertainties associated with climate collapse as a critically important topic for scientific inquiry. Doing so requires clarifying what “civilization collapse” means and explaining how it connects to topics addressed in climate science, such as increased risks from both fast- and slow-onset extreme weather events. This kind of information, we claim, is crucial for the public and for policymakers alike, for whom climate collapse may be a serious concern. Our analysis builds on the latest research, including Kemp et al.’s PNAS Perspective, which drew attention to the importance of scientifically exploring the ways that climate outcomes can impact complex socioeconomic systems. We go further by providing greater detail about societal collapse, for instance, distinguishing three progressively more severe scenarios. Moreover, we emphasize avoiding doom-saying bias and recommend studying collapse mechanisms in conjunction with successful adaptation and resilience, seeing these as two sides of the same coin. [Continue reading… at https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2210525119 ]

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Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:21 AM

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Yanno SECOND, instead of slagging SIX all the time you should be promoting his lifestyle.

If we all (including you) lived like SIX ... buying only what is necessary, conserving and upgrading what exists, upcycling and re-using as necessary - we wouldn't have as much of a CO2 problem.

I'm all for technical innovation, but there are also tried and true fixes for our various environmental disasters, and if we look in our trash cans and landfills (and Pentagon stockpiles) we can see part of the problem right there. There are no magic (technical) wands for that.

I keep wondering what the hell is wrong with you, but I never will find out why you can't understand simple things. The simple thing, which I doubt you can understand, is that the important numbers are how much CO2 and other greenhouse gases are in the atmosphere. Those numbers need to go downward, and very fast, but it seems like most people think those numbers will go downward if and only if they emit fewer tonnes of CO2 per year. You could make your daily emissions zero and it would not lower the numbers that need lowering, which is the percent of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Those are the ONLY numbers that count.

I live a very downscale lifestyle. But by selling natural gas, I'm serving people who live a very proliferate lifestyle, with hundreds of tonnes (or even thousands) per year per person of CO2 emissions. Before that, I was building petrochemical plants that emit gigatonnes of CO2. I'm one of the guys who made the percentage of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere increase, and the only way to make the numbers decrease is to run the industrial process that guys like me started in reverse, where the industry takes greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere and puts those gases back into the ground. If industry does not take its waste gases, which are greenhouse gases, out of the atmosphere, we are going to be cooked.

Yes, I know some people dream of reflecting sunlight back into outer space by geoengineering and other people dream of forests and oceans "naturally" absorbing greenhouse gases. Good luck with those dreams, but you better wake up fast and make those dreams into reality pretty damn quick.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, October 19, 2022 6:04 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not saying that there isn't a way to capture CO2 gasses. Of course there are ways.

Nobody has ever come up with a model that makes it economically feasible though.

Until that happens, they won't be used except for in niche markets where it is necessitated.

If they had an economic model that would extract CO2 from the atmosphere and make it profitable on a grand scale, we'd already be doing it and nobody would be talking about climate change.

I know I can't get you to pay attention because price and profit are the only things you care about,



... Says the guy who lies every day about being a rich business man who owns cattle one day and natural gas the next day depending on what lie of the day he wants to tell to the guy who hasn't worked for somebody else since the summer of 2019.


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but Climate change is a threat to civilization while the high price of gasoline is not.


We'll see about that once the printing presses stop going BRRRRRRRRR, the PayDay loans dry up, the jobs disappear, the evictions spike and the poor people start coming into your neighborhoods and start looting, burning and raping those who can still afford to eat the food that won't stop increasing in price, largely due to the gas prices.

I've seen feral before. At one point, I was damn near feral myself.

We had police forces that worked back in 2009. We also benefited from low interest rates and comparatively low inflation the last time everything crashed.

Winter is coming.

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Wednesday, October 19, 2022 10:49 AM

SIGNYM

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Yanno SECOND, instead of slagging SIX all the time you should be promoting his lifestyle.

If we all (including you) lived like SIX ... buying only what is necessary, conserving and upgrading what exists, upcycling and re-using as necessary - we wouldn't have as much of a CO2 problem.

I'm all for technical innovation, but there are also tried and true fixes for our various environmental disasters, and if we look in our trash cans and landfills (and Pentagon stockpiles) we can see part of the problem right there. There are no magic (technical) wands for that.

SECOND: I keep wondering what the hell is wrong with you, but I never will find out why you can't understand simple things. The simple thing, which I doubt you can understand, is that the important numbers are how much CO2 and other greenhouse gases are in the atmosphere.

CO2 is at about 400 ppm in the atmosphere, up from about 250-300 ppm pre-industrial levels. We measure it all the time.
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SECOND Those numbers need to go downward, and very fast, but it seems like most people think those numbers will go downward if and only if they emit fewer tonnes of CO2 per year.
They will go down with lower emissions. Plants and algae absorb CO2 every day, as does the ocean. If that were not happening, CO2 would go up continuously eon over eon until it was in the high percent level.
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SECOND: You could make your daily emissions zero and it would not lower the numbers that need lowering, which is the percent
ppm, ppb
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SECOND: of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Those are the ONLY numbers that count.
Yanno, NATURE produces CO2. Animals, rotting vegetation, soil bacteria, fires, volcanoes ... even plants... produce CO2. If that were not the case, there would be no CO2 in the atmosphere and all plant life would die of starvation and the earth wuld be one giant snowball.

It's an equilibrium of production and absorption. That's why they call it a carbon cycle.

The question is: where do we want the equilibrium to be?

In higher CO2 atmospheres, plants absorb more. It's one of their critical foods and a negative feedback on atmospheric CO2. If our emissions were to go to zero, the CO2 in the atmosphere would gradually fall. If we were to ENHANCE the absorption capacity... with better forestry management using biochar (the thing that makes reforestation immediately carbon-negative) and cover cropping then the CO2 would fall even faster.

The thing we have to be prepared for is that higher temperatures will set off positive feedbacks: melting permafrost releasing methane, warming oceans releasing the CO2 that they absorbed.

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SECOND I live a very downscale lifestyle.
Do you fly on airplanes? Support war? Both are profligate sources of greenhouse gases

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SECOND: But by selling natural gas, I'm serving people who live a very proliferate lifestyle, with hundreds of tonnes (or even thousands) per year per person of CO2 emissions.
Dont look at poor people. The wealthy and war emit most of the CO2 emissions
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SECOND: Before that, I was building petrochemical plants that emit gigatonnes of CO2. I'm one of the guys who made the percentage of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere increase, and the only way to make the numbers decrease is to run the industrial process that guys like me started in reverse, where the industry takes greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere and puts those gases back into the ground. If industry does not take its waste gases, which are greenhouse gases, out of the atmosphere, we are going to be cooked.
Industry can run full-tilt absorbing CO2, and it would probably not hold a candle to what nature can do. But by all means, let's do ALL THREE things: conserve/reduce emissions, promote natural absorption, and remove CO2 industrially. (Altho I have to say, looking at the energetics of CO2 absorption, it seems to me that absorbing CO2 would take more energy than its original generation. If you could make CO2 absorption ENERGY negative, you would probably have discovered the chemistry version of perpetual motion.)

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SECOND: Yes, I know some people dream of reflecting sunlight back into outer space by geoengineering and other people dream of forests and oceans "naturally" absorbing greenhouse gases. Good luck with those dreams, but you better wake up fast and make those dreams into reality pretty damn quick.
Forests and oceans DO absorb CO2. It's a natural fact. That's why you see a seasonal variation, year after year, in atmosperic CO2. Lower in the summer, higher in the winter.

You're right in that CO2 has a surprisingly long lifetime in the atmoshere, given all of the aborption mechansims at work (dissolving in water, aborption by plants) which is why improving those processes by a little bit would help.

What we COULD do is replace our dark asphalt-based rooftops with white ones and increase the albedo of our cities. Planting urban trees would also make cities more liveable by reducing temperatures and AC usage.

Another big improvement would be to reduce the soot and rubber particles that land on snowfields and increase sunlight absorption.

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Wednesday, October 19, 2022 12:14 PM

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What we COULD do is replace our dark asphalt-based rooftops with white ones and increase the albedo of our cities. Planting urban trees would also make cities more liveable by reducing temperatures and AC usage.



Lets' just make sure we're not doing it with soft maple garbage trees this time, m-kay?



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Wednesday, October 19, 2022 1:16 PM

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What we COULD do is replace our dark asphalt-based rooftops with white ones and increase the albedo of our cities. Planting urban trees would also make cities more liveable by reducing temperatures and AC usage.



Lets' just make sure we're not doing it with soft maple garbage trees this time, m-kay?



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Hahaha!!!

There are such things as "urban foresters" who can help select trees that don't buckle sidewalks/foundations or invade sewer lines or drop fruit that stains cars, that are also (hopefully) friendly to birds and pollinators and tolerates dust and smog.

Bad decisions have been made in the past. Ficus trees buckle sidewalks, palm trees harbor rats. I look at the freeway plantings - all exotics- acacia, eucalyptus, plumbago, "California pepper" (which is not a pepper tree and not Californian) and I have to wonder "why?"

With so many native trees and shrubs to choose from - a half dozen oaks, sycamore, ash, toyon, lemonade berry, coffeeberry, all kinds if sages and buckwheat, native sunflowers... seems like there would be something suitable for every situation.

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Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:32 PM

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Hahaha!!!

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Did anybody today tell Signym and 6ix they are worthless? For two valueless assholes, they certainly have as high an opinion about themselves as Trump and Putin have about themselves. Trump will be fine? Putin will win? That wouldn't happen if God wasn't indifferent, shrugging off responsibility. Even some children act more responsible, until adults teach them the craftiness of shirking and lying, than the God in the Old Testament Bible. It is no wonder that people who profess belief in Gods are just as fundamentally irresponsible as their Gods are. If you're sensing that I think people want in a leader and a god a bigger version of their sorry selves, one that will forgive them for being worthless assholes who don't try, you would see why I think people choose sadly inadequate leaders, religions and gods.

State of NJ Files Suit Against Five Oil and Gas Companies And Trade Group Of Misleading the Public About Their Products and Climate Change

The suit filed today in New Jersey Superior Court in Mercer County names as defendants Exxon Mobil Corporation, Shell Oil Company, Chevron Corporation, BP, ConocoPhillips, and the trade group in which these defendants were members — American Petroleum Institute (API).

October 18, 2022

TRENTON, NJ (MERCER)–Attorney General Matthew J. Platkin, the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs and the Department of Environmental Protection today filed a lawsuit on behalf of New Jersey residents against five oil and gas companies and a petroleum trade association, alleging they knowingly made false claims to deceive the public about the existence of climate change and the degree to which their fossil fuels products have been acerbating anthropogenic global warming.

The suit filed today in New Jersey Superior Court in Mercer County names as defendants Exxon Mobil Corporation, Shell Oil Company, Chevron Corporation, BP, ConocoPhillips, and the trade group in which these defendants were members — American Petroleum Institute (API). The State is seeking to hold the defendants accountable for systematically concealing and denying their knowledge that fossil fuel consumption could have a catastrophic impact on the climate, causing the devastating consequences of fossil fuel overconsumption: the significant sea level rise, flooding, and extreme weather that have battered New Jersey’s citizens and businesses, requiring the State and its residents to shoulder the enormous costs of rebuilding, hardening New Jersey’s defenses against severe weather and making the necessary transition away from reliance on fossil fuels to a more sustainable clean-energy future. API is accused of playing a key role in orchestrating and implementing climate denial campaigns on behalf of and under the supervision of the fossil fuel defendants.

The State alleges that the defendant oil and gas producers and API have known for decades that use of fossil fuels is a major cause of climate change, but instead of warning the public or the State about the danger, they launched public-relations campaigns to sow doubts about the existence, causes, and effects of climate change with the goal of confusing the public, delaying the transition to a lower carbon economy and future, increasing their own profits, and further deepening dependence on their products.

“Based on their own research, these companies understood decades ago that their products were causing climate change and would have devastating environmental impacts down the road,” said Attorney General Platkin. “They went to great lengths to hide the truth and mislead the people of New Jersey, and the world. In short, these companies put their profits ahead of our safety. It’s long overdue that the facts be aired in a New Jersey court, and the perpetrators of the disinformation campaign pay for the harms they’ve caused.”

“New Jersey is ground zero for some of the worst impacts of climate change,” said Shawn M. LaTourette, the State’s Commissioner of Environmental Protection (NJDEP). “Our communities and environment are continually recovering from extreme heat, furious storms, and devastating floods. These conditions will sadly only worsen in the decades ahead, leaving us scrambling to prepare for a parade of harmful climate changes. All this while we rush to ween ourselves off the very products these companies have long known would fuel our pain but deceived New Jerseyans about, because keeping us addicted was better for their bottom line. It was wrong to mislead us; wrong to undermine climate science; wrong to put profit over people and the planet that we share. It is time New Jersey demands accountability.”

“Our Shore communities have had to rebuild boardwalk landmarks, construct large dunes and devise other engineering solutions to recover from and respond to devastating storms. And some of our most vulnerable communities are now subjected to increasingly frequent bouts of significant flooding, with sometimes fatal consequences,” said Cari Fais, Acting Director of the DCA. “Our state is paying dearly for these defendants’ misrepresentations and failure to disclose the enormous detriments of their products. They should now help to shoulder that tremendous financial burden.”

In addition to asking the court for an injunction ordering the energy companies to stop deceiving New Jersey consumers about the destructive environmental impacts of fossil fuels, the State is seeking civil monetary penalties and damages, including natural resource damages such as the loss of substantial wetlands throughout the State, alleging taxpayers will be saddled with billions in expenses to protect communities from rising sea levels, deadlier storms, and other climate-related harms and to mitigate those harms by transitioning to non-fossil fuel energy generation — costs that should be borne by the defendants.

According to the complaint, the oil and gas companies researched the link between fossil-fuel consumption and climate change starting as early as the 1950s, and by the mid-60s gained a comprehensive understanding of the adverse climate impacts of fossil fuels.

Internal fossil fuel industry documents reveal how the oil and gas producers’ scientists predicted that ongoing burning of fossil fuels would cause “dramatic environmental effects,” warning corporate executives that the world had a narrow window of time to curb emissions and stave off “catastrophic” climate change.

The documents also show how the fossil fuel defendants allegedly took the internal warnings seriously, assessing how climate change would impact their infrastructure, investing to protect their own assets from sea-level rise and increasingly extreme weather, and patenting technologies that would expand their profits as the world grew warmer.

But the defendants allegedly failed to warn the public or the State about what was coming. On the contrary, according to the complaint, the defendant oil and gas producers worked to manufacture doubt about the existence and causes of climate change.

The State’s complaint alleges the defendant fossil fuel companies violated the Consumer Fraud Act by misrepresenting, suppressing, and omitting material facts about the adverse impacts of their products through a national climate-denialist campaign starting in the 1980s and continuing through today, in which they used industry associations and front groups such as API to disseminate false and misleading information about climate change.

The complaint alleges the companies fell short of their legal obligation to warn consumers about all the hidden or latent dangers arising from the use of their products. The complaint also alleges negligence, impairment of the public trust, trespass, and public nuisance.

According to the suit, when the public became increasingly aware of the causes and consequences of climate change despite defendants’ fraudulent messaging, defendants allegedly shifted to a campaign of “greenwashing”—i.e., misleadingly presenting their fossil-fuel products as “clean” and “green,” while overstating their negligibly small investments in safer technologies in an attempt to falsely present themselves to consumers as environmentally responsible corporate leaders trying to combat climate change.

The complaint alleges that defendants’ distortions drove continued fossil-fuel usage, accelerating climate change and the adverse impacts it causes: driving sea level rise, heat waves, drought, extreme weather events and other environmental ills. The fossil fuel industry’s alleged fraud and the climate changes their products have driven are disproportionately harming low income communities and communities of color, particularly those individuals residing in overburdened communities already subject to adverse cumulative environmental and public health stressors, where extreme heat and chronic flooding are having damaging results to public health and safety.

Several attorneys general in other states have brought similar legal claims against the fossil-fuel industry, including Rhode Island, Delaware, Minnesota, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Vermont, as well as the District of Columbia. Meanwhile, more than a dozen cities and counties have also filed lawsuits accusing oil and gas companies of misleading the public about climate change, including the City of Hoboken.

The 200 page filing can be downloaded at:

https://midjersey.news/2022/10/18/state-of-nj-files-suit-against-five-
oil-and-gas-companies-and-trade-group-of-misleading-the-public-about-their-products-and-climate-change
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Wednesday, October 19, 2022 8:35 PM

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Hahaha!!!

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Did anybody today tell Signym and 6ix they are worthless? For two valueless assholes, they certainly have as high an opinion about themselves as Trump and Putin have about themselves.



Awwwwwwwww...

Somebody sounds salty that they've lost.



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Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:53 AM

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Hahaha!!!

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Did anybody today tell Signym and 6ix they are worthless? For two valueless assholes, they certainly have as high an opinion about themselves as Trump and Putin have about themselves.



Awwwwwwwww...

Somebody sounds salty that they've lost.



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I don't see what SECOND's so mad about.

I even agreed with him that we should be looking at ways to capture CO2 from the air ... or at least, from flue gases. My only caveat is that since that takes energy, the only way that makes sense is uing SOLAR energy or possibly nuclear energy, since solar (and nuclear) energy are the only potentially carbon -free sources of energy for this capture process.

And since plants already use solar energy to capture CO2 from the air.... well, it just seems like one place to start. But certainly not the only one.

But jeez... SECOND can't take "yes" for an answer?

I'm beginning to think you're right, SIX. I think SECOND is REAVREBOT.

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Thursday, October 20, 2022 6:53 AM

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I don't see what SECOND's so mad about.

I even agreed with him that we should be looking at ways to capture CO2 from the air ... or at least, from flue gases. My only caveat is that since that takes energy, the only way that makes sense is uing SOLAR energy or possibly nuclear energy, since solar (and nuclear) energy are the only potentially carbon -free sources of energy for this capture process.

And since plants already use solar energy to capture CO2 from the air.... well, it just seems like one place to start. But certainly not the only one.

But jeez... SECOND can't take "yes" for an answer?

I'm beginning to think you're right, SIX. I think SECOND is REAVREBOT.

You and 6ix might be saying "yes", but in reality, you are actually capable of doing nothing which makes you no different than someone saying any variation of the following: "No! Never! Not gonna happen! Climate change is a Chinese Hoax! If the new energy sources are not cheaper than the old ones, I refuse to buy them! Wind turbines cause cancer! Green energy makes electricity less reliable! Electric cars are charged by coal-burning power plants! Lithium is unavailable in quantities needed to convert all cars to electric vehicles!" I think I could write thousands of words, either half-truths or complete lies, justifying doing nothing because I have been listening to Trumptards all my life, even before they knew Trump and Putin, the Russian variant for people who would be Trumptards if born in America, existed.

The Netherlands will pull out of the Energy Charter Treaty (ECT), which has come under fire for protecting investments in the oil and gas sector, the country’s energy ministry said on Wednesday (19 October).

In force since 1998, the treaty, which has more than 50 signatories including the European Union, allows investors to sue governments over policies that jeopardise their investments.

But in recent years it has been used by fossil fuel and renewable energy companies to sue governments for regulatory changes that threaten returns on specific investments.

In announcing the decision, Dutch Minister for Climate and Energy Policy Rob Jetten told parliament that the treaty is not in line with the Paris climate accord and that efforts to re-negotiate it have been unsuccessful.

“The mandate for the European Commission was to bring the ECT in line with the Paris climate agreement. Despite many of the modernisations that are now in the negotiation outcome, we do not see how the ECT has been sufficiently aligned with the Paris Agreement,” Jetten told the Dutch parliament on Tuesday.

A government spokesperson later confirmed the move on Wednesday, saying the lack of guarantees on climate in the revamped treaty was the main motive for the decision to leave.

“For that reason, the Netherlands, preferably with the entire EU, will leave the ECT. When the Netherlands will officially leave is still to be determined,” the spokesperson said.

Italy withdrew from the treaty in 2016 and Spain announced its intention to pull out last week. In September, Poland initiated formal proceedings to withdraw as well.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/netherlands-follows-spain
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Thursday, October 20, 2022 9:06 AM

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Hahaha!!!

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Did anybody today tell Signym and 6ix they are worthless? For two valueless assholes, they certainly have as high an opinion about themselves as Trump and Putin have about themselves.



Awwwwwwwww...

Somebody sounds salty that they've lost.



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I don't see what SECOND's so mad about.

I even agreed with him that we should be looking at ways to capture CO2 from the air ... or at least, from flue gases. My only caveat is that since that takes energy, the only way that makes sense is uing SOLAR energy or possibly nuclear energy, since solar (and nuclear) energy are the only potentially carbon -free sources of energy for this capture process.

And since plants already use solar energy to capture CO2 from the air.... well, it just seems like one place to start. But certainly not the only one.

But jeez... SECOND can't take "yes" for an answer?

I'm beginning to think you're right, SIX. I think SECOND is REAVREBOT.

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Yup.

He's peddling scams and thinking he's saving the world.

Meanwhile, Reaverfan's got himself an electric pickup truck that can't haul anything.

Good news for him is that once he realizes this and admits it to himself, there should be no shortage of overpaid soy-boy college graduates that won't actually use that bed to haul anything that he should be able to con into buying it from him without losing too much money. He might have to sell it out of state though. I can't imagine many men in Texas want to drive around a glorified Power Wheels toy.

I'll bet Reaverfan looks real cute in it while wearing his cowboy hat and matching boots in his Lightning. He should find himself some tumbleweed to throw in the bed so it doesn't look so sad and useless. Just one or two of them though. If he puts 3 in the back he's pushing almost 50lbs and he'll be recharging that truck up every 750 feet.





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Thursday, October 20, 2022 10:58 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Big boom in carbon capture projects . . . according to a new report from think tank Global CCS Institute, which advocates for carbon capture and storage (CCS).
https://status22.globalccsinstitute.com/

That includes projects to scrub CO2 out of smokestack emissions from a veritable pantheon of the most notorious pollution sources: power plants, natural gas processing plants, oil refineries, hydrogen producers, cement and steel factories, and petrochemical and synthetic fertilizer manufacturers.

Right now, there are only 30 CCS facilities operating and 11 under construction. But 153 more carbon capture and storage projects are in development, according to the Global CCS Institute. Of the 196 projects in the pipeline globally, 61 new projects got started in 2022 alone.

Looking at the report’s list of CCS facilities either operating or in the works in 2022, The Verge found that a majority of projects are tangled up with oil and gas. Roughly 60 percent of the projects are either backed by fossil fuel companies and / or aim to capture emissions from fossil fuel power plants, petrochemical facilities, and fossil fuel-adjacent industries like industrial fertilizer and hydrogen production that are major gas consumers. And 30 of the facilities already use or plan to use the captured carbon for a process called enhanced oil recovery, in which fossil fuel companies shoot the CO2 into the ground to push up hard-to-reach oil.

With those numbers, it’s no wonder that some environmental groups are skeptical of carbon capture as a climate fix. Many are worried that the technology will only deepen economies’ reliance on fossil fuels rather than help to usher in an age of cleaner energy sources. In the US, that includes Food & Water Watch, The Indigenous Environmental Network, and Friends of the Earth.

There are several reasons why groups like these say carbon capture tech isn’t a cure-all for fossil fuels. For starters, it doesn’t typically capture 100 percent of the CO2 a pollution source like an industrial plant generates. For instance, a plan to build a carbon capture facility at Louisiana’s biggest source of industrial greenhouse gas emissions, an ammonia plant, is supposed to capture 2 million metric tons of CO2 annually when complete — even though the plant produced 10 million metric tons of the greenhouse gas in a single year.

More at https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/18/23410755/global-boom-carbon-captur
e-storage-ccs-pipeline-oil-gas-industry


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, October 20, 2022 11:40 AM

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Yup.

He's peddling scams and thinking he's saving the world.

Meanwhile, Reaverfan's got himself an electric pickup truck that can't haul anything.

Good news for him is that once he realizes this and admits it to himself, there should be no shortage of overpaid soy-boy college graduates that won't actually use that bed to haul anything that he should be able to con into buying it from him without losing too much money. He might have to sell it out of state though. I can't imagine many men in Texas want to drive around a glorified Power Wheels toy.

I'll bet Reaverfan looks real cute in it while wearing his cowboy hat and matching boots in his Lightning. He should find himself some tumbleweed to throw in the bed so it doesn't look so sad and useless. Just one or two of them though. If he puts 3 in the back he's pushing almost 50lbs and he'll be recharging that truck up every 750 feet.

I am going out to lunch with my frienemy from the industry. He asked if I was gonna drive us there in "The Corporation Jet", meaning my pickup. He is exactly right which is why I go to lunch with him. I love my Lightning as a status symbol. It actually has a trailer hitch and Ford claims it can tow 7,000 pounds but I never tried.
https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/

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Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:04 PM

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Yup.

He's peddling scams and thinking he's saving the world.

Meanwhile, Reaverfan's got himself an electric pickup truck that can't haul anything.

Good news for him is that once he realizes this and admits it to himself, there should be no shortage of overpaid soy-boy college graduates that won't actually use that bed to haul anything that he should be able to con into buying it from him without losing too much money. He might have to sell it out of state though. I can't imagine many men in Texas want to drive around a glorified Power Wheels toy.

I'll bet Reaverfan looks real cute in it while wearing his cowboy hat and matching boots in his Lightning. He should find himself some tumbleweed to throw in the bed so it doesn't look so sad and useless. Just one or two of them though. If he puts 3 in the back he's pushing almost 50lbs and he'll be recharging that truck up every 750 feet.

I am going out to lunch with my frienemy from the industry. He asked if I was gonna drive us there in "The Corporation Jet", meaning my pickup. He is exactly right which is why I go to lunch with him. I love my Lightning as a status symbol. It actually has a trailer hitch and Ford claims it can tow 7,000 pounds but I never tried.
https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



The only thing believable from the above paragraph is that you're stupid enough to own a Ford Lightning and you love smelling your own farts when you drive it.

You don't have friends, let alone frienemies. You don't own a business. And Ford is certainly lying to you about being able to tow 7,000lbs.

Go ahead and try it and see if you can make it to the next charging station before you're calling AAA for a tow.





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Thursday, October 20, 2022 3:11 PM

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Big boom in carbon capture projects . . . according to a new report from think tank Global CCS Institute, which advocates for carbon capture and storage (CCS).
https://status22.globalccsinstitute.com/

That includes projects to scrub CO2 out of smokestack emissions from a veritable pantheon of the most notorious pollution sources: power plants, natural gas processing plants, oil refineries, hydrogen producers, cement and steel factories, and petrochemical and synthetic fertilizer manufacturers.

Right now, there are only 30 CCS facilities operating and 11 under construction. But 153 more carbon capture and storage projects are in development, according to the Global CCS Institute. Of the 196 projects in the pipeline globally, 61 new projects got started in 2022 alone.

Looking at the report’s list of CCS facilities either operating or in the works in 2022, The Verge found that a majority of projects are tangled up with oil and gas. Roughly 60 percent of the projects are either backed by fossil fuel companies and / or aim to capture emissions from fossil fuel power plants, petrochemical facilities, and fossil fuel-adjacent industries like industrial fertilizer and hydrogen production that are major gas consumers. And 30 of the facilities already use or plan to use the captured carbon for a process called enhanced oil recovery, in which fossil fuel companies shoot the CO2 into the ground to push up hard-to-reach oil.

With those numbers, it’s no wonder that some environmental groups are skeptical of carbon capture as a climate fix. Many are worried that the technology will only deepen economies’ reliance on fossil fuels rather than help to usher in an age of cleaner energy sources. In the US, that includes Food & Water Watch, The Indigenous Environmental Network, and Friends of the Earth.

There are several reasons why groups like these say carbon capture tech isn’t a cure-all for fossil fuels. For starters, it doesn’t typically capture 100 percent of the CO2 a pollution source like an industrial plant generates. For instance, a plan to build a carbon capture facility at Louisiana’s biggest source of industrial greenhouse gas emissions, an ammonia plant, is supposed to capture 2 million metric tons of CO2 annually when complete — even though the plant produced 10 million metric tons of the greenhouse gas in a single year.

More at https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/18/23410755/global-boom-carbon-captur
e-storage-ccs-pipeline-oil-gas-industry


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

One of the reasons why I promote carbon dioxide capture .. by plants.

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Friday, October 21, 2022 10:02 AM

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One of the reasons why I promote carbon dioxide capture .. by plants.

That won't work as well as you imagine because climate change releases the greenhouse gases stored by plants.

The first example is the Amazon Rain Forest burns down, releasing greenhouse gases. The Amazon is estimated to contain about 123 billion tons of carbon above and below ground, and is one of Earth's most important terrestrial carbon reserves.
https://research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/2778/Deforestat
ion-warming-flip-part-of-Amazon-forest-from-carbon-sink-to-source


The second example is climate change releases the stored carbon in permafrost in the form of methane produced by decayed plants. There's a huge amount of carbon stored in permafrost — an estimated 1,500 gigatons, or twice as much as the atmosphere contains. This carbon is the remnant of plants and other organic matter that didn't fully decompose in the frozen soils over thousands of years.
https://climate.mit.edu/explainers/permafrost

Engineers have started the process of releasing carbon into the air (by designing chainsaws and logging trucks for the Amazon rain forest and designing drilling equipment for natural gas) because it is very profitable to sell these tools to people who are unwise, such as Jair Bolsonaro, President of Brazil and Darren Woods, CEO of ExxonMobile. The release of carbon into the atmosphere will just keep on increasing unless others kick the hell out of those engineers to stop them from doing that. There is no possibility that Bolsonaro or Woods can understand that they should stop releasing carbon. These guys have a long record of NOT understanding what they are doing. They aren't changing their ways.

Signym, there is no way trillions of green plants can take carbon out of the atmosphere as fast as a few people (Bolsonaro or Woods) are adding carbon. But there are people who could stop Bolsonaro or Woods.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, October 21, 2022 11:58 AM

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SECOND, I already addressed the issues of forest fire and permafrost. Try to keep up.

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Friday, October 21, 2022 2:41 PM

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SECOND, I already addressed the issues of forest fire and permafrost. Try to keep up.

Yours was Don't burn forests. Don't melt the permafrost. That is NOT a solution. It is wishful thinking. A solution shows how to recapture the carbon when the forests burn and the permafrost melts because those unfortunate events will keep happening. Planting more trees is NOT a solution, especially when the rich will decide the forest would be of more use if it was sold as lumber, plywood, and fuel instead of used only as a place to store carbon. Jair Bolsonaro, President of Brazil, won't be President forever, but somebody just like him will have the same stupid plans for the Amazon Rain forest that Bolsonaro has -- sell all the trees and burn what is leftover. In Russia, somebody like Putin will decide Siberia would be better if it was hotter, therefore all the permafrost should be melted in order to release the methane to increase greenhouse gases in the atmosphere over Siberia. Tough luck if you want Siberia to remain frozen.

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Friday, October 21, 2022 3:16 PM

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SECOND, I already addressed the issues of forest fire and permafrost. Try to keep up.

Yours was Don't burn forests. Don't melt the permafrost. That is NOT a solution. It is wishful thinking. A solution shows how to recapture the carbon when the forests burn and the permafrost melts because those unfortunate events will keep happening. Planting more trees is NOT a solution, especially when the rich will decide the forest would be of more use if it was sold as lumber, plywood, and fuel instead of used only as a place to store carbon. Jair Bolsonaro, President of Brazil, won't be President forever, but somebody just like him will have the same stupid plans for the Amazon Rain forest that Bolsonaro has -- sell all the trees and burn what is leftover. In Russia, somebody like Putin will decide Siberia would be better if it was hotter, therefore all the permafrost should be melted in order to release the methane to increase greenhouse gases in the atmosphere over Siberia. Tough luck if you want Siberia to remain frozen.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

wrong. I was posting about (among other things) increasing the carbon content if the soil. You can do that with cover crops/green manure. But there is also a thing called "black soil" discovered in the Amazon, created by pyrolization of shrubs/understory which has not only remained for thousands of years, it is also incredibly fertile compared to the surrounding leached Amazonian soil. A study of reforestation -which I previously posted and linked- looked at the carbon balance of reforestation including the fuel needed to truck in the trees etc, and found that reforestation became a carbon sink after five years, but became an IMMEDIATE carbon sink if the trees were planted with pyrolized plant matter.

Plants DO have the capacity to store carbon, for millenia. Eons, even. Where do you think the coal beds and oil and gas fields came from in the first place?

BTW, trees used as lumber is still a storage of carbon.

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Sunday, October 23, 2022 3:09 PM

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California Wildfires Cancel-Out Two Decades Of Emissions Reductions

In 2020, greenhouse gas emission reductions by California were negated by the CO2 from wildfires.

That’s according to a new study by researchers from UCLA and the University of Chicago, “Up in smoke: California’s greenhouse gas reductions could be wiped out by 2020 wildfires.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0269749122011022#bi
b1


*“Wildfire emissions in 2020 essentially negate 18 years of reductions in GHG emissions from other sectors,” the study’s authors concluded.*

Yet, comprehensive sensible policies could mitigate the wildfires. These policies include, especially, undergrounding power lines, which often spark onto dry wood, starting conflagrations.

According to the study, “We estimate that California’s wildfire carbon dioxide equivalent (CO2e) emissions from 2020 are approximately two times higher than California’s total greenhouse gas (GHG) emission reductions since 2003. Without considering future vegetation regrowth, CO2e emissions from the 2020 wildfires could be the second most important source in the state above either industry or electrical power generation.”

I assume transportation is the highest.

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Their solution: “Our analysis suggests that significant societal benefits could accrue from larger investments in improved forest management and stricter controls on new development in fire-prone areas at the wildland-urban interface.” Those things would help.

But the state has lagged in dealing with its aging electricity infrastructure—a problem made worse, ironically, as more electric vehicles hit the road and need more juice from already overloaded power lines.



MORE AT
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Sunday, October 23, 2022 8:28 PM

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I'm willing to bet that they've already figured out how to "grow" oil like they figured out how to "grow" diamonds.

False scarcity.

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Sunday, October 23, 2022 8:37 PM

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I'm willing to bet that they've already figured out how to "grow" oil like they figured out how to "grow" diamonds.

False scarcity.

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Not that I've seen. There were some university projects trying to grow algae under accelerated conditions (in seawater sandwiched between transparent plates and fed with CO2) harvested abd turned into oil but the capital costs far outweigh the product.

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Sunday, October 23, 2022 8:40 PM

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I'm willing to bet that they've already figured out how to "grow" oil like they figured out how to "grow" diamonds.

False scarcity.

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Not that I've seen. There were some university projects trying to grow algae under accelerated conditions (in seawater sandwiched between transparent plates and fed with CO2) harvested abd turned into oil but the capital costs far outweigh the product.



Oh... You wouldn't see it. If you did, they'd have to kill you.




The NDAs the employees who did know have to sign include the lines "you are an employee for life", "if you tell anyone we will kill you, your family, everyone you've ever met and all of their families.", and "now that you've been given this offer and seen this NDA your two choices are to sign it or die immediately."

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Monday, October 24, 2022 2:07 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm willing to bet that they've already figured out how to "grow" oil like they figured out how to "grow" diamonds.

False scarcity.


SIGNY: Not that I've seen. There were some university projects trying to grow algae under accelerated conditions (in seawater sandwiched between transparent plates and fed with CO2) harvested abd turned into oil but the capital costs far outweigh the product.

SIX: Oh... You wouldn't see it. If you did, they'd have to kill you.

The NDAs the employees who did know have to sign include the lines "you are an employee for life", "if you tell anyone we will kill you, your family, everyone you've ever met and all of their families.", and "now that you've been given this offer and seen this NDA your two choices are to sign it or die immediately."



Hahaha!
Well I'm still alive so clearly I haven't been let in on the secret!

Anyway I don't see the point of trying to recapitulate 110 million years of history just to obtain a product that needs a lot of ADDITIONAL processing just to make it useful.

How old is oil?
https://phys.org/news/2005-05-world-age-oil.html

They'd be a lot farther ahead sticking with simpler chemistry.
Beyond Oil and Gas: The Methanol Economy
George Olah and two others

The author gave hubby the book. One of these days I'm going to read it.





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Monday, October 24, 2022 5:30 AM

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It's like Beyond Meat, but it's Beyond Oil.

Just don't tell your fiancee you paid 50 to 70 percent less for that lab grown diamond than you would have for the ones that De Beers had black people half a world away killed for or the wedding is off. What she doesn't' know won't hurt her. There's nearly zero actual value in the diamond whether it's real or not since just about the only material on earth that's more common than diamonds is sand, and the lab grown diamonds are probably actually worth more in reality. And, yanno... black people half a world away didn't die before it got to your local Helzburg diamonds.

You would probably do a lot better buying stock in Beyond Oil than you would if you were a poor sucker who bought Beyond Meat stock in January, but there will never be an IPO for it because you're never going to get a slice of that pie.



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Monday, October 24, 2022 7:28 AM

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Consumption of fossil fuels is growing faster than ever.

Last year, according to data from the BP Statistical Review of World Energy, in both the US, and the world as a whole, the growth in hydrocarbons — oil, natural gas, and coal — far exceeded the growth of wind and solar by huge margins.

Let’s start with a look at what is happening in the US. According to updated figures from BP’s Statistical Review, in 2021, US oil use grew by 2.8 exajoules (EJ).

(An exajoule, EJ, is roughly equal to one quadrillion Btu, or the energy contained in 1 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.)

For comparison, solar energy use grew by 0.3 EJ, and wind energy increased by 0.4 EJ, for a total increase of 0.7 EJ. Thus, last year, US oil use grew four times faster times than the growth seen in wind and solar combined. Meanwhile, coal use jumped by 1.4 exajoules, or twice the growth in wind and solar. Even with a slight decline in natural gas use, the BP numbers show that US hydrocarbon use increased by 4 EJ last year, that’s more than five times the growth seen in wind and solar.

An almost identical trend can be seen in the global data. Last year, the use of oil, gas, and coal grew by 10.5, 7.7, and 8.7 EJ respectively, resulting in a total one-year increase in hydrocarbon consumption of 26.9 EJ. Meanwhile, in 2021, wind and solar grew by 3.4 and 2.1 EJ, respectively, for a total of 5.5 EJ. Thus, in 2021, global hydrocarbon use grew nearly five times faster than the growth in wind and solar combined.

Here’s another way to think about those numbers: Last year, just the increase in global hydrocarbon use — which as I mentioned above totaled 26.9 EJ — was roughly equal to the output of all of the wind and solar projects on Earth. Last year, global wind output was 17.5 EJ and solar contributed 9.7 EJ — for a total of 27.2 EJ. If you think last year was an anomaly, think again. The same trends can be seen in data going back to the mid-1980s. Between 1985 and 2021, global hydrocarbon use jumped by 224 EJ, that’s more than eight times the increase seen in wind and solar, which as I mentioned above, now provide about 27.2 EJ to the global energy mix.

The undeniable takeaway from the BP numbers is that wind and solar energy are not displacing hydrocarbons. Instead, they are being added to our existing energy mix. Why aren’t they making more headway? The reasons are readily apparent: wind and solar simply cannot provide the staggering scale of energy the world needs at prices consumers can afford. Furthermore, large-scale wind and solar projects are being rejected all around the world. As I have documented in the Renewable Rejection Database, since 2015, more than 370 communities across the US have rejected or restricted wind projects. And more than 90 have rejected solar projects. Over the last year alone, about 40 townships in Ohio have banned the construction of wind and solar projects.

More at https://quillette.com/2022/10/18/hyping-the-energy-transition/

BP Statistical Review of World Energy
https://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/energy-economics/statistical-re
view-of-world-energy.html


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Monday, October 24, 2022 9:21 AM

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Consumption of fossil fuels is growing faster than ever.

Last year, according to data from the BP Statistical Review of World Energy, in both the US, and the world as a whole, the growth in hydrocarbons — oil, natural gas, and coal — far exceeded the growth of wind and solar by huge margins.

Let’s start with a look at what is happening in the US. According to updated figures from BP’s Statistical Review, in 2021, US oil use grew by 2.8 exajoules (EJ).

(An exajoule, EJ, is roughly equal to one quadrillion Btu, or the energy contained in 1 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.)

For comparison, solar energy use grew by 0.3 EJ, and wind energy increased by 0.4 EJ, for a total increase of 0.7 EJ. Thus, last year, US oil use grew four times faster times than the growth seen in wind and solar combined. Meanwhile, coal use jumped by 1.4 exajoules, or twice the growth in wind and solar. Even with a slight decline in natural gas use, the BP numbers show that US hydrocarbon use increased by 4 EJ last year, that’s more than five times the growth seen in wind and solar.

An almost identical trend can be seen in the global data. Last year, the use of oil, gas, and coal grew by 10.5, 7.7, and 8.7 EJ respectively, resulting in a total one-year increase in hydrocarbon consumption of 26.9 EJ. Meanwhile, in 2021, wind and solar grew by 3.4 and 2.1 EJ, respectively, for a total of 5.5 EJ. Thus, in 2021, global hydrocarbon use grew nearly five times faster than the growth in wind and solar combined.

Here’s another way to think about those numbers: Last year, just the increase in global hydrocarbon use — which as I mentioned above totaled 26.9 EJ — was roughly equal to the output of all of the wind and solar projects on Earth. Last year, global wind output was 17.5 EJ and solar contributed 9.7 EJ — for a total of 27.2 EJ. If you think last year was an anomaly, think again. The same trends can be seen in data going back to the mid-1980s. Between 1985 and 2021, global hydrocarbon use jumped by 224 EJ, that’s more than eight times the increase seen in wind and solar, which as I mentioned above, now provide about 27.2 EJ to the global energy mix.

The undeniable takeaway from the BP numbers is that wind and solar energy are not displacing hydrocarbons. Instead, they are being added to our existing energy mix. Why aren’t they making more headway? The reasons are readily apparent: wind and solar simply cannot provide the staggering scale of energy the world needs at prices consumers can afford. Furthermore, large-scale wind and solar projects are being rejected all around the world. As I have documented in the Renewable Rejection Database, since 2015, more than 370 communities across the US have rejected or restricted wind projects. And more than 90 have rejected solar projects. Over the last year alone, about 40 townships in Ohio have banned the construction of wind and solar projects.

More at https://quillette.com/2022/10/18/hyping-the-energy-transition/

BP Statistical Review of World Energy
https://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/energy-economics/statistical-re
view-of-world-energy.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two




These are fake numbers.

This is the same thing as Joe Biden* claiming he created all those millions and millions of new jobs when it was just people getting back to work after a 2 year shutdown by Democrats. Or when he cut the deficit by 1.6 Trillion by not giving away 1.6 Trillion in Covid handouts (and then later giving away most of what he was claiming to have cut).

Driving was awesome 2 years ago. Even a year ago it wasn't terrible. Now it sucks again.

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Here’s another way to think about those numbers: Last year, just the increase in global hydrocarbon use — which as I mentioned above totaled 26.9 EJ — was roughly equal to the output of all of the wind and solar projects on Earth. Last year, global wind output was 17.5 EJ and solar contributed 9.7 EJ — for a total of 27.2 EJ. If you think last year was an anomaly, think again. The same trends can be seen in data going back to the mid-1980s. Between 1985 and 2021, global hydrocarbon use jumped by 224 EJ, that’s more than eight times the increase seen in wind and solar, which as I mentioned above, now provide about 27.2 EJ to the global energy mix.


Yeah. The 26.9 EJ, specifically is the bullshit number.

You then prove the point to people who know how to math with your 224 EJ "jump" that occurred over 35 years.

That's 6.4 EJ on average per year in that time. It would actually be higher than that by some degree, but 2020 and 2021 actually dropped the average (And I see that you conveniently omitted those numbers, didn't you).

Get me the numbers for 2020 and 2021 and I'll tell you what the actual increase from 2021 to 2022 was.

My guess is that if things had continued on the way they'd been going without the 2020/2021 interruption, the number would be around 6.78 EJ on average for 36 years for a total of 244 EJ from 1985 to 2022 and 2022's actual EJ increase would be 20 less than this article claims it was.

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Monday, October 24, 2022 10:38 PM

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Phantom Forests: Why Ambitious Tree Planting Projects Are Failing


Or, why carbon credits are a scam



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High-profile initiatives to plant millions of trees are being touted by governments around the world as major contributions to fighting climate change. But scientists say many of these projects are ill-conceived and poorly managed and often fail to grow any forests at all.

By Fred Pearce October 6, 2022

It was perhaps the most spectacular failed tree planting project ever. Certainly the fastest. On March 8, 2012, teams of village volunteers in Camarines Sur province on the Filipino island of Luzon sunk over a million mangrove seedlings into coastal mud in just an hour of frenzied activity. The governor declared it a resounding success for his continuing efforts to green the province. At a hasty ceremony on dry land, an official adjudicator from Guinness World Records declared that nobody had ever planted so many trees in such a short time and handed the governor a certificate proclaiming the world record. Plenty of headlines followed.

But look today at the coastline where most of the trees were planted. There is no sign of the mangroves that, after a decade of growth, should be close to maturity. An on-the-ground study published in 2020 by British mangrove restoration researcher Dominic Wodehouse, then of Bangor University in Wales, found that fewer than 2 percent of them had survived. The other 98 percent had died or were washed away.

“I walked, boated, and swam through this entire site. The survivors only managed to cling on because they were sheltered behind a sandbank at the mouth of a river. Everything else disappeared,” one mangrove rehabilitation expert wrote in a letter to the Guinness inspectors this year, which he shared with Yale Environment 360 on the condition of anonymity. The outcome was “entirely predictable,” he wrote. The muddy planting sites were washed by storms and waves and were otherwise “ecologically unsuited to mangrove establishment, because they are too waterlogged and there is no oxygen for them to breathe.”

“It was a complete disaster,” agrees Jim Enright, former Asia coordinator of the U.S.-based nonprofit Mangrove Action Project. “But no one that we know of from Guinness or the record-planting proponents have carried out follow-up monitoring.” Guinness has not responded to requests for comment.

Such debacles are not unusual. Forest scientists say they are surprisingly frequent, and they warn that failed afforestation projects around the world threaten to undermine efforts to make planting a credible means of countering climate change by reducing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere or generating carbon credits for sale to companies to offset their emissions.

In another high-profile case, in November 2019, the Turkish government claimed to have planted more trees on dry land than anyone else in a single hour — 300,000, in the central province of Çorum. It beat a record, also confirmed by Guinness inspectors, set four years before in the Himalayan state of Bhutan. The Çorum planting was part of a National Afforestation Day, when volunteers planted 11 million trees at 2,000 sites across Turkey. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was among those wielding a spade.

But two months later, the head of the country’s union of forestry workers reported that a survey by its members had found that as many as 90 percent of the national plantings had died. The government denies this, but experts said its counter-claim that 95 percent of the trees had survived and continued to grow was improbably high. No independent audit has yet been carried out.

In an investigation published last year into extensive government-organized tree planting over several decades in the northern Indian state of Himachal Pradesh, Eric Coleman of Florida State University and colleagues found little evidence that it had resulted in more tree cover, carbon uptake, or community benefits. Typically, tree species growing on common land that were useful to local people for animal fodder and firewood had been replaced by plantations of fast-growing but less useful trees, often fenced off from local communities.

Another study, published last year by the nonprofit World Resources Institute (WRI) in Mexico, called into question the benefits from a billion-dollar government-funded environmental recovery program. Sembrando Vida pays farmers to plant trees across the country to help Mexico meet its climate targets under the Paris Agreement. But WRI found the program has no effective audit of outcomes, and that rates of forest loss were currently greater in states implementing the plan than in others. It concluded that the program “could have had a negative impact on forest cover and compliance with the country’s carbon mitigation goals.”

Tree planting in the Philippines under its National Greening Program has also been a widespread failure, according to a 2019 study by the government’s own Commission on Audit. Ministers imposed unachievable planting targets, it said, resulting in planting “without … survey, mapping and planning.” The actual increase in forest cover achieved was little more than a tenth of that planned.

The causes of failure vary but include planting single species of trees that become vulnerable to disease; competing demands for the land; changing climate; planting in areas not previously forested; and a lack of aftercare such as watering saplings.

Well, duh!

But even well-planned plantings failed. After disastrous wildfires on the San Gabriels burned up so many trees, only one replanting was successful

Part of the problem is that it takes a succession if plants to prepare the site for trees. Having been glassified by fire or mummified by drought or stripped by wind, dirt isn't a good medium for trees to grow in

Planting rates are used as a metric of success, not survival rates.

The article goes on to discuss the California Air Resources Board's program of certifying forests, and the wildfires that have cut into it's "carbon credit" buffer.

Planting without forest management will be a failure. Forestry and tree planting should be an independent effort, and carbon credits done away with.

Mote AT https://e360.yale.edu/features/phantom-forests-tree-planting-climate-c
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Wednesday, November 2, 2022 5:31 PM

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Occidental Petroleum hopes to bring its bold plan of developing direct air carbon capture to a famous ranch in South Texas, the Houston-based company said this week.

Oxy and 1PointFive, its subsidiary focused on carbon capture, said they’ve agreed to lease more than 100,000 acres in Kleberg County for potential development of up to 30 direct air capture plants. The lease is with King Ranch, the 825,000 acre historic ranch south of Corpus Christi, and includes access to land to store captured carbon underground in geologic reservoirs.

Occidental said the direct air capture facilities at King Ranch could remove up to 30 million metric tons of carbon dioxide per year. The leased land has the potential to store up to 3 billion metric tons of CO2 in geologic reservoirs, according to the company.

Oxy broke ground on its first direct air capture plant in the Permian Basin in West Texas over the summer. The project is expected to be operational by the end of 2024 with the ability to capture up to 500,000 tons of carbon dioxide per year.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20221102212849/https://www.houstonchronicl
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Wednesday, November 2, 2022 5:52 PM

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Peatlands store twice as much carbon as all the world’s forests -- UN Environment Programme
https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/peatlands-store-twice-much
-carbon-all-worlds-forests


In her latest book Fen, Bog and Swamp (Scribner), Annie Proulx delves into the history of peatland destruction and its role in the climate crisis.

At the dawn of the third millennium, the American novelist Annie Proulx was living in Wyoming and saw a perfect but terrible storm brewing. Extended droughts and warmer winters were providing the optimal conditions for the mountain pine beetle to thrive, and its ongoing infestation — as well as wildfires continuing to ravage the state’s old dense forests, including those of Yellowstone National Park — was turning towering lodgepole pines into ashen tombstones. “That was the first moment when it really sank in that something momentous is going on,” Proulx, who is 87, recently told me over the phone. “I’m a great believer in keeping notes on what you see from year to year. Repetitive observation is my idea of the way to live. This is not a once-in-a-lifetime chance, but a once-in-a-species' existence, to observe these huge changes.”

And so began her transition from fiction to writing about ecological issues.

More at https://www.vogue.com/article/annie-proulx-fen-bog-and-swamp-interview

Free download of Annie Proulx's book from the mirrors at https://libgen.unblockit.nz/search.php?req=Annie+Proulx+Bog

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Wednesday, November 9, 2022 7:46 AM

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Call for Public Comment: Fifth National Climate Assessment

https://www.globalchange.gov/content/call-public-comment-fifth-nationa
l-climate-assessment


Climate change threatening ‘things Americans value most,’ U.S. report says

Since 1970, the authors state, the continental United States has experienced 2.5 degrees Fahrenheit of warming, well above the average for the planet. (In Alaska, at Utqiagvik, annual temperature has increased by more than 12°F since 1976. https://statesummaries.ncics.org/chapter/ak/ )

The study highlights how the frequency of billion-dollar disasters has now increased from once every four months in the 1980s to once every three weeks in the present. It finds that the United States is experiencing some of the most severe sea-level rises on the planet.

And it details the ever-greater certainty that rainfall and heat extremes are proliferating, as are damaging wildfires and crippling floods.

Over the long term, the only real solution is for humanity to muster the political and technological will to stop polluting the atmosphere.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/11/07/cop27-cl
imate-change-report-us
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This is a little complicated, but it shows the sources of California electricity throughout the day. During daylight hours, solar and wind provide about 18,000 megawatts of power, far more than any other source. From dawn to midafternoon excess solar power is stored in the battery network. When it gets dark, the wind keeps blowing but we lose 12,000 megawatts of solar power. This is currently replaced by 8,000 megawatts of natural gas, 5,000 megawatts of imports from other states, and 2,000 megawatts of battery storage in order to meet peak demand during the hours of 7pm-10pm. Meanwhile, nuclear baseload chugs along at a constant 2,000 megawatts all day.

Today, battery storage provides about 7% of peak demand, but the plan is to keep building massive battery capacity to reduce the use of natural gas plants during the evening.

NOTE: California is by far the biggest user of battery storage in the country. It has about twice the capacity of the #2 state, Texas, and five times as much as #3, Illinois.

https://jabberwocking.com/battery/

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Friday, November 11, 2022 11:01 AM

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A major paper released on the sidelines of the COP27 climate summit in Egypt has started a countdown. At the current rate of global emissions, the Paris Agreement goal of limiting global temperatures to 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels will likely be permanently out of reach in nine years.

https://essd.copernicus.org/articles/14/4811/2022/

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This jet fuel is made from CO2 pulled from the atmosphere

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2022/11/09/air-company-co2-derived
-jet-fuel-jg-orig.cnn-business


Electricity splits water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen then goes into a reactor with carbon dioxide to make jet fuel. The same technology uses a different catalyst in the reactor to make vodka and the waste stream is pure oxygen.

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Sunday, November 20, 2022 11:40 AM

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How Should We Think About the End of the World as We Know it?

“Yes, it’s a catastrophe,” Elizabeth Weil writes of climate change. “And no, you would not be better off if you continued to tell yourself otherwise.”

By Kiley Bense, November 19, 2022

Anthropologists Cymene Howe and Dominic Boyer in Iceland 2019 installed a plaque, titled “A letter to the future,” with this message:

This monument is to acknowledge

that we know what is happening

and what needs to be done.

Only you know if we did it.


Knowing what needs to be done is one thing; having the will to do it is another.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20221119235904/https://insideclimatenews.o
rg/news/19112022/warming-trends-how-should-we-think-about-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it
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Wednesday, November 23, 2022 3:37 PM

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The Middle East and US global power: Fossil Fuel- Lifeblood of the American Empire

by Phillyguy for The Saker Blog

...

6. Military– The Pentagon is the largest single consumer of fossil fuel and polluter in the world. To give this some perspective, on average, the US military consumes 12,600,000 gallons (48,000,000 L) of fuel per day. One F-16 fighter jet consumes over 20K gallons of Kerosene per hour (333 gal/min) [32].



http://thesaker.is/the-middle-east-and-us-global-power-fossil-fuel-lif
eblood-of-the-american-empire
/

That's about 4.6 billion gallons per year. By comparison, the USA uses about 135 billion gallons of gasoline per year. So US DoD represents about 3.5 pct of civilian auto fuel usage.



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Airbus has announced it is developing a hydrogen-powered fuel cell engine -- and that it plans to test it on the largest commercial airplane ever to take to the skies.

The French aviation giant revealed at Airbus Summit 2022 on November 30 that it will mount the engine between the wings and the tail of a modified A380 superjumbo. Test flights are estimated for 2026, as part of the Airbus ZEROe initiative to launch a zero-emission aircraft by 2035.

"In terms of aerodynamics, the A380 is a very stable aircraft. So the pod attached to the rear fuselage via the stub doesn't pose much of an issue," said Mathias Andriamisaina, head of ZEROe demonstrators and tests at Airbus, in a statement.

Airbus had previously revealed concept designs for an aircraft utilizing liquid hydrogen fuel and combustion engines, but vice president of Zero-Emission Aircraft Glenn Llewellyn suggested fuel cells alone might be sufficient to power smaller commercial aircraft.

The engine uses fuel cells to convert the hydrogen into electricity, which then powers a propeller. "At scale, and if the technology targets were achieved, fuel cell engines may be able to power a 100-passenger aircraft with a range of approximately 1,000 nautical miles," he said.

The journey to decarbonize air travel

Hydrogen has long been touted as a sustainable alternative to traditional jet fuel, either as a combustible fuel or used to generate electricity via fuel cells. The aviation industry produces 2.8% of global CO2 emissions but it faces harder challenges than other sectors in decarbonizing itself, and progress has been slow.

While hydrogen-powered aircraft have been in development since the mid-20th Century, they have faced significant obstacles, mainly hydrogen's low energy density compared to kerosene, and the latter's availability and historically low price.

The infrastructure required to produce and distribute hydrogen is also an issue. At Airbus Summit, Airbus boss Guillaume Faury warned that this was "a big concern" and it could derail the company's plans to introduce a hydrogen-powered aircraft by 2035.

But hydrogen could become a key asset in commercial aviation even before entirely new aircraft based around it are developed. Days before Airbus' announcement, Rolls-Royce and budget airline EasyJet said they had successfully converted a regular airplane engine to run on liquid hydrogen fuel — a world first, they claim.

The ground test involved a type of Rolls-Royce engine currently used in commercial and military airplanes, and a second test is already planned. Next, the trial will expand to a Rolls-Royce Pearl 15 engine, which is used to power Bombardier business jets capable of long-haul flight.

Future fuel

The fuel for Rolls-Royce's test was sourced from wind and tidal energy, an example of "green" hydrogen.

Green hydrogen is commonly derived via the electrolysis of water -- using electricity to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen -- and using renewably sourced electricity to do so. "Gray" hydrogen uses non-renewable electricity, while "blue" hydrogen is similar to gray, but captures most of the carbon emitted in production. Green hydrogen is considered the cleanest option.

How the hydrogen is utilized also creates a different footprint. Burning liquid hydrogen in the open-air releases a small amount of greenhouse gas nitrous oxide. Using green hydrogen to generate electricity in a fuel cell, however, emits only water and warm air.

The next decade will reveal which of the hydrogen technologies will take off. Either would be a positive step in securing the long-term viability of low-carbon air travel.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/airbus-fuel-cell-engine-rolls-royce
-easyjet-engine-c2e-spc-intl/index.html



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