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Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:09 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Why American Conservatives Are Suddenly Freaking Out About Guillotines
http://www.alternet.org/economy/why-american-conservatives-are-suddenl
y-freaking-out-about-guillotines?paging=off¤t_page=1

Quote:

Are they afraid the people’s patience is not endless?

Oh Gee, YA THINK ?!!

They know damn well, fucking EXACTLY what their fate is if they continue on this path, and they're scared shitless of it, even with a suborned government and its entire military to protect them from the consequences of those actions cause they're starting to realize both of the latter are full of people.
People their own actions have fucked.

I will not shed a bitter tear.


-Frem

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:58 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Interesting link, good thread.

Just a shame that it got bumped off the home page by the other stuff.

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:40 AM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity



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Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:47 AM

MIKER

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 1:26 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:

Steven Pearlstein

Steven PearlsteinColumnist
I am a job creator: A manifesto for the entitled

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/i-am-a-job-creator-a-manifesto-
for-the-entitled/2012/09/28/756f2e90-07ee-11e2-858a-5311df86ab04_story.html


Let's hope this thread stays civil?



That's a good piece. Sadly, that does seem to be the attitude of the "job creators," and exactly what will lead them to the guillotine (in some form).



“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 1:39 PM

CHRISISALL


I intend to eat cake.

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:10 PM

MIKER

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:20 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:

Here's to hoping this thread stays civil



Because YOU think it should, huh? Because YOU can't handle when people use adult words, so everyone should have to walk on eggshells for YOU? Because you're SPECIAL???

How many times are you going to try to control the actions of a group of people?? Yer just not getting it, hon.

THIS IS A FREE SPEECH ZONE.
I warned you not to come here if you couldn't deal with arguing.
No one here really cares what you want. You want to dance around the issues being polite with people and not saying what you mean, you are free to do that, YOU HAVE NO CALL TO TELL ANYONE ELSE WHAT TO SAY OR HOW TO SAY IT.....EVER.

YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST PERSON TO COME HERE AND TRY TO MICRO MANAGE!!!




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Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:27 PM

MIKER

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:36 PM

CHRISISALL


Well, I think we should all use italics ONLY on this most civil thread. Can we do that? I'm kind of demanding here. It's now a rule on this thread, in fact. Post in italics or don't post at all.
Thank you for your cooperation.
- A Decider.

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:08 PM

OONJERAH



As I do not have time to control this thread, I am
grateful that others have accepted the duty.
.
.
.
Er -- What was the topic?



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Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich. ~Napoleon?

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:53 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:

instead choosing to it let pass.




Bullshit, you're gonna sit and stew about it, because that's what everyone does. And let me assure you, you are just as big an idiot ass-clown as everyone else on this planet. Everyone thinks they are different and that makes them better. I can say with absolute certainty you are just as freaking oblivious as half the teenagers I run across. BTW "taking the high road" only works if you say NOTHING not if you come back with thinly veiled dickhead responses like "Please bear witness I elect not to indulge the aforementioned clown, buffoon and or Illiterate beyond this point instead choosing to it let pass."

Oh, and I'm gonna guess that that mental illness that you wouldn't elaborate on in chat is BI-POLAR DISORDER, 'cause the last chick that jumped right on in and tried to tell everyone what they could say and how they could say it was bi-polar (Riona). It didn't work for her, and I am sure as hell not gonna give YOU a pass either.

I'm not going to blame your biology, but I am going to let you know now that everyone knows that you seek to control and manipulate. If they didn't already, it's kind of obvious.

PEOPLE ARGUE, YOU FUCKING MORON. GROW UP AND DEAL WITH IT !!!!

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:25 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
PEOPLE ARGUE, YOU FUCKING MORON. GROW UP AND DEAL WITH IT !!!!

Well. I DON'T, you low down dirty deceiver!
I have evolved beyond that!

*looks back on his posts*

Well, I am EVOLVING beyond that...

*check more of his posts*

..next lifetime then...

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:42 PM

WISHIMAY


Yer a great man Chris.

Ehhh, yer alright.

Well, the good news is you don't even make my Top Ten list of idiots, so that's somethin'

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:49 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Yer a great man Chris.

Ehhh, yer alright.

Well, the good news is you don't even make my Top Ten list of idiots, so that's somethin'



You ain't hitting me; I think you've grown.

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:54 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:


PEOPLE ARGUE, YOU FUCKING MORON. GROW UP AND DEAL WITH IT !!!!


Hmmmm. All caps and 4 exclamation points ... yeah, way to deal!

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:03 PM

WISHIMAY


I jus' wanted to make sure I wuz heard, is all.

This isn't the first time I've told him to stop micro-managing, and I don't think he's getting' it

We've had these discussions before and they've taken forever, I'm trying to get to the meat of the matter in one day. You got a better idea?

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:15 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Let it be. It'll work itself out. Always does.

But hey, it's a free country, so if you want to try to make a point with that inane drone, knock yourself out.

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:17 PM

MIKER

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:35 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:

Look up the words, they mean two different things. What does being rude and obnoxious have to do with debating differing points of view?

Your whole premise that it is wrong to confront someone who is rude and obnoxious yet it is OK to confront someone who is not, sounds ignorant and contradicting to me.




Yer sooo predictable. Just like her, debating the logic of the WORDING instead of acknowledging you can't handle it when people say things in ways you don't think are nice. So you want everyone to change FOR YOU. These people were arguing LOOOOOOONG before you came and if'n they wanted to stop they would. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ARGUE HERE AND BE TOTAL DICKS IF THEY WANT TO. It has nothing to do with debating the merits of rude behavior,

AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH......YOU.....SEEKING TO CONTROL OTHERS' BEHAVIORS.

It's not your place. You are NOT any smarter than anyone else here. You do NOT have more experience. You are NOT a better person.


Just soo you know I have been here a long time and I seriously doubt YOU would make me go away, though I realize you think that would be a great ego stroke....


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Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:39 PM

OONJERAH


The OP article: Why American Conservatives Are Suddenly Freaking Out About Guillotines

Subtitled: Are they afraid the people’s patience is not endless?

I sure never expected anything like this to come up. I read the article.
Historically, it's true: The People’s patience is not endless.

However, my own sense of it is: TPTB are smart enough to keep us entertained.
And give us just enough to do to feel valid. That can work.




... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:43 PM

MIKER

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:45 PM

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:51 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:


Originally posted by Wishimay:
Yer sooo predictable.

The anti-matter Rappy.

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:52 PM

WISHIMAY


That's fine, I said my piece.

Now, you wanna post again about how you won't post just so you can get the last word in again?


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Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:21 PM

MIKER

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Friday, May 23, 2014 8:58 AM

MAL4PREZ


Well. This thread went interesting places in a sudden and all caps way.

Re the OP: there is definitely a rising awareness. I won't say it's heading towards guillotines though, and I certainly hope not. Besides all that unpleasant death stuff, I don't think it'd be effective.

The problem I have with this "kill the oligarchs" idea is that the oligarchs are not some other kind of being. They're human, same as the rest of us. Say you had a brain-exploding beam that you could target to the 1% and wipe them out entirely. So what? S new exploiting caste will take over. The people aren't the problem. The system is. The system has to change.

Money out of politics is #1. Actually, ending the worship of money is #1. It is easily accepted these days that you should do anything and everything to have more money, to have more stuff. Every activity involves money changing hands. The value of a person is rated in money, how much they have, how much they are paid. Punishment is often done by taking away money. If you don't like a person, you don't spend money on the product they're selling. We put people in power not by voting with ballots, but by spending money on their products.

There ought to be an anti-money day, when the goal is to find something to do, a way to enjoy your day, that involves no money changing hands. It's near impossible. And that's not an accident. This worship of money has been injected into the system by those who get a cut from it.

I think the best rebellion would be to get out of the hamster wheel of money money money. Stop living in debt (so a huge chunk of your paycheck goes directly to the banks), stop buying every new trinket that comes out. Stop jumping at every dollar bill or shiny object.

That would crash the system faster than a whole herd of guillotines.




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Friday, May 23, 2014 10:07 AM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

I will not shed a bitter tear.


-Frem



Remember what happened to Robespierre?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, May 23, 2014 1:44 PM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Remember what happened to Robespierre?



I just read:
Robespierre was guillotined about a year after the French royalty
were beheaded. He is said to be one of the leaders of the Reign of
Terror, if not the main one.
What I am reading seems a bit chaotic, like can history give us an
accurate account of that year?

Blood-letting revolutions are dangerous to all participants. I don't
wanna try it.
I think Mal4Prez has the right idea.

Otoh, don't Super Heroes solve all our problems with violence?
We are thoroughly brain-washed, living in fantasyland.
And the Gods are laughing.


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19 PM

MIKER

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Friday, May 23, 2014 3:13 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:


Otoh, don't Super Heroes solve all our problems with violence?
We are thoroughly brain-washed, living in fantasyland.
And the Gods are laughing.



Yeah, that was my rant of the day in general in chat...

[17:17] Wishimay: News articles for YOU:

[17:18] Wishimay: Pay off your mortgage in half the time like these guys who make twice as much as you and inherited lots (but we won't put that in the article, it's in the comment section- posted by a bitter family member)

[17:19] Wishimay: YOU too can save tons of money NOT having a car (nevermind that it's twice as expensive to live in a city with public transportation!)

[17:20] Wishimay: YOU too can eat things you find for free in public parks (just wipe off the pesticides and dog poo before you do)

[17:21] Wishimay: *sigh It's all CRAP.

[17:21] Wishimay: mindless mindfucking crap.

[17:22] Wishimay:

[19:06] Wishimay: I keep asking myself who writes the bloody fitness articles. Who would WANT to but some paid government lackey?? Who could possibly give that much of a damn about other people's health? And who keeps saying

[19:07] Wishimay: "Your health problems will bring down this country"

[19:09] Wishimay: What kind of a numbnuts would even THINK that? Aren't the people who are on heroin, the people that go on rampages shooting people, the people who bash kids heads in- aren't THEY the bastards? Not to mention ALL THE PEOPLE IN JAILS. If everyone would stop going to jail we could LIVE on the MOON for all the money we'd be saving...Why doesn't ANYONE ever SAY THIS STUFF????

[19:10] Wishimay: It's the hypocracy of this country and others like it that I HATE. It's the idiots that BUY INTO the crap that I hate!!!!!

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Friday, May 23, 2014 3:51 PM

OONJERAH



Buying into the Crap is normal. Thinking, learning? Not so much.

My one neighbor loves Reality TV. He truly believes it's spontaneous, not scripted.

My other neighbor told me that all TV documentaries are true. "They wouldn't put
them on TV if they weren't."

If I talk history with the 1st neighbor, it's a chore, 'cause he doesn't know any.
With the 2nd neighbor, history is whatever the documentaries showed, whether she
understood/remembers any of it or not.

Most people, perhaps, are living in a TV-created fantasyland. It's as if we watched
Firefly with credulity. Walking down the street, I happen to see Nathan Fillion;
of course, I ask him to show me Serenity -- is she parked at the local air port?
Most of the 99% are clueless & dedicated to their ignorance.

The People who can think but are not part of the 1% ... we're on our own.
Need some new/renewed, effective ways of working & coping.

Example: Got no Money? Barter.



... oooOO}{OOooo ...
A man's gotta know his Delusions. ~Oonjerah

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Friday, May 23, 2014 4:00 PM

MIKER

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Friday, May 23, 2014 4:54 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:


Most people, perhaps, are living in a TV-created fantasyland.



Talked to an otherwise nice young guy in chat last year, and he reluctantly admitted that he gets depressed on a regular basis because he doesn't get to be a superhero and rescue people and have their admiration. Believe it or not, I didn't realize THAT was a real problem with ACTUAL people until that day.

I hope one day he gets his Zombie Apocalypse



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Saturday, May 24, 2014 12:05 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh I am well aware that Robespierre became the very thing he hated and as a result wound up thrown headfirst (pun totally intended) into the very machine he created, sure - actually I find that kind of amusing in an ironic and demented way.

His mistake was coming at it top down, ass backwards, IMHO.

You cannot deal with the issue of broken and sociopathic people by knockin em off without addressing the causes which create them, hell even trying just fosters the very conditions which create em, same way trying to kill off Blackrose/Darkhearted inevitably spawns more, same way that blowing up so-called-terrorists inevitably creates more....

You *HAVE* to address the conditions by which these individuals come about, the misery, deprivation and suffering which creates them in the first place, or all you're doing is just switching out one poison for another, I've said that time and time again.

But therein lies the issue - TIME.
It takes time and patience to do such things, time that a lot of folks feel we do not have because of the hellbent determination to destroy all they cannot control on behalf of those in power now, and ergo, a lotta folks feel the need to "clear the deck" to buy time - problem is, as revolutionary ideas go that's doomed to failure and will kneecap itself by the nature of the thing, I am not at all unaware of this.

But, yanno, I am not exactly hell bent towards stoppin it, neither.
More like looking for a good seat and a bucket of popcorn, you understand, cause what else can one do when no one listens to reason and thus all agency of sanity is removed thanks to them in power creating the conditions of their own destruction and never understanding why or how because they can't ?

-Frem

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Saturday, May 24, 2014 2:01 PM

WISHIMAY


This guy wasn't suffering so much as just not gettin' any.

He thought that since daddy was a big shot girls should just line up for him, huh? Maybe I don't give girls half as much credit as I should. They're gettin' smarter!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638049/7-dead-drive-shooting-
near-UC-Santa-Barbara.html

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Saturday, May 24, 2014 2:09 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:


You *HAVE* to address the conditions by which these individuals come about, the misery, deprivation and suffering which creates them in the first place, or all you're doing is just switching out one poison for another,


I blame ourselves.

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Saturday, May 24, 2014 8:37 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Well. This thread went interesting places in a sudden and all caps way.

Re the OP: there is definitely a rising awareness. I won't say it's heading towards guillotines though, and I certainly hope not. Besides all that unpleasant death stuff, I don't think it'd be effective.

The problem I have with this "kill the oligarchs" idea is that the oligarchs are not some other kind of being. They're human, same as the rest of us. Say you had a brain-exploding beam that you could target to the 1% and wipe them out entirely. So what? S new exploiting caste will take over. The people aren't the problem. The system is. The system has to change.

Money out of politics is #1. Actually, ending the worship of money is #1. It is easily accepted these days that you should do anything and everything to have more money, to have more stuff. Every activity involves money changing hands. The value of a person is rated in money, how much they have, how much they are paid. Punishment is often done by taking away money. If you don't like a person, you don't spend money on the product they're selling. We put people in power not by voting with ballots, but by spending money on their products.

There ought to be an anti-money day, when the goal is to find something to do, a way to enjoy your day, that involves no money changing hands. It's near impossible. And that's not an accident. This worship of money has been injected into the system by those who get a cut from it.

I think the best rebellion would be to get out of the hamster wheel of money money money. Stop living in debt (so a huge chunk of your paycheck goes directly to the banks), stop buying every new trinket that comes out. Stop jumping at every dollar bill or shiny object.

That would crash the system faster than a whole herd of guillotines.




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Wednesday, May 28, 2014 4:29 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Why American Conservatives Are Suddenly Freaking Out About Guillotines
http://www.alternet.org/economy/why-american-conservatives-are-suddenl
y-freaking-out-about-guillotines?paging=off¤t_page=1

Quote:

Are they afraid the people’s patience is not endless?

Oh Gee, YA THINK ?!!

They know damn well, fucking EXACTLY what their fate is if they continue on this path, and they're scared shitless of it, even with a suborned government and its entire military to protect them from the consequences of those actions cause they're starting to realize both of the latter are full of people.
People their own actions have fucked.

I will not shed a bitter tear.


-Frem




"The revolution will not be televised"


SGG

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Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:20 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I intend to eat cake.


You would have appreciated this...

Yesterday one of my friends kids whinged to me about being hungry, despite having ready access to a loaded fridge and microwave, in short, being too lazy to cook - so I offered her some "Cake Antoinette", and she's like yes, please!

The look on her face when I handed her an empty plate...

Of course, her appreciation of the humor was a bit lacking, but her dad found it gutbustingly hilarious.

-F

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Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:43 AM

WISHIMAY


May have to try that on my kid next time

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Wednesday, May 28, 2014 11:44 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Oh, and I'm gonna guess that that mental illness that you wouldn't elaborate on in chat is BI-POLAR DISORDER, 'cause the last chick that jumped right on in and tried to tell everyone what they could say and how they could say it was bi-polar (Riona).


In the what? No she's not.

Hell. I'm closer to being bipolar than she is. She has psychotic major depression.

She's also blind, which had a much bigger impact on how everyone thought she was trying to control them. She HAS to control things in her life, she has to know where everything is all the time and know where she is and ask people to help her because she couldn't SEE. And frankly, while she's bossy, I've seen a lot worse around here than her.

She's not even here so I don't see the point in attacking her like that. Was that intended for me? Calling me manipulative and controlling? Were you trying to draw me out? You did so.

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