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Obama the blowhard

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Friday, June 6, 2014 2:40 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I used to get a flinch reaction every time GWB spoke, and quite frankly I've gotten to the same point with Obama. Here is the transcript of his speech at West Point.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/05/28/transcript-video-obama-lays-out-f
oreign-policy-west-point-commencement-speech


I couldn't help but notice the wandering hypocrisy, like he had lost the thread of his own propaganda ...

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In fact, by most measures America has rarely been stronger relative to the rest of the world. Those who argue otherwise — who suggest that America is in decline or has seen its global leadership slip away — are either misreading history or engaged in partisan politics. Think about it. Our military has no peer.


Yep, we spend more on our military than the rest of the world COMBINED. Nobody else - not even Russia!- has bases ALL OVER the world!

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America continues to attract striving immigrants.
Oh, that was STRIVING? I thought that was STARVING.

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Russia’s aggression towards former Soviet states unnerves capitals in Europe
Yeah, because Russia has troops, bases, and missiles all over Europe. (not) And yet, somehow, Russia is the aggressor.

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From Brazil to India, rising middle classes compete with us, and governments seek a greater say in global forums.
Yes, god help us if other governments have a greater say!

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The question we face, the question each of you will face, is not whether America will lead but how we will lead
Because, yanno, whatever we decide is right for the world is right for the world.

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not just to secure our peace and prosperity but also extend peace and prosperity around the globe.
HAHAHAHA! We've been blowing this smoke for 70 years or more. Replaced 50 governments. Somehow, we still haven't gotten this right!

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Today, according to self-described realists, conflicts in Syria or Ukraine or the Central African Republic are not ours to solve.
In particular, they're not ours to start.

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Here’s my bottom line: America must always lead on the world stage. If we don’t, no one else will. The military ... is, and always will be, the backbone of that leadership.
Again, we have the right to determine what's right for the rest of the world? And if they don't agree, we turn on the force?

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This weekend, Ukrainians voted by the millions. Yesterday, I spoke to their next president. We don’t know how the situation will play out, and there will remain grave challenges ahead, but standing with our allies on behalf of international order, working with international institutions, has given a chance for the Ukrainian people to choose their future — without us firing a shot.
The Ukrainians did that for us, thanks to pressure from that organ of American dominance- the IMF.

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... a third aspect of American leadership, and that is our effort to strengthen and enforce international order. After World War II, America had the wisdom to shape institutions to keep the peace and support human progress, from NATO and the United Nations, to the World Bank and I.M.F. These institutions are not perfect, but they have been a force multiplier. They reducing the need for unilateral American action and increase restraint among other nations.
In other words, these institutions have been the United States' tools of foreign and economic domination.

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I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being.
Yep, I kinda noticed that...

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we’re putting in place new restrictions on how America collects and uses intelligence, because we will have fewer partners and be less effective if a perception takes hold that we’re conducting surveillance against ordinary citizens.
If Snowden hadn't come forward, the WH would STILL be OK with the NSA collecting information on... well... everyone. In fact, the NSA is STILL collecting information on everyone. Nothing has changed.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 7:27 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Barry's speech at West Point has been called the absolute worst received speech by the cadets and audience for a sitting President - ever.

The tepid applause showed us all just how little they admire the man.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 12:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Calling for continued American "leadership" throughout the world- based on threat of military violence and economic ruin- such a downer.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 3:50 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Calling for continued American "leadership" throughout the world- based on threat of military violence and economic ruin- such a downer.

Pretty much an all time low for this idiot. He probably doesn't get enough sleep. Sleep deprivation can cause severe mental problems in the long term.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 4:04 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity




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Friday, June 6, 2014 4:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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You see nothing good about this country but apparently would not like to live anywhere else either because here you stay.
Have you LOOKED AT the immigration laws of other countries??? Because I HAVE. So yeah - here I stay.

AFA doom and gloom- as the LARGEST military in the world (as Obama pointed out repeatedly) and the LARGEST ECONOMY for 70 years, and the ONLY NATION with forward bases nearly everywhere, and a military devoted to forward power projection, we have not only the greatest authority but also the greatest responsibility for the way things are the way they are. Because of that, we also have the greatest potential to make things better for the world as a whole. It's a little hard to get around that fact.

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Do you hate yourself as much as you do the rest of the free world?
Propaganda.

Yawn!

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Friday, June 6, 2014 5:27 PM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Calling for continued American "leadership" throughout the world- based on threat of military violence and economic ruin- such a downer.

Pretty much an all time low for this idiot. He probably doesn't get enough sleep. Sleep deprivation can cause severe mental problems in the long term.



I hear he sleeps until 11 a.m. then plays golf, then kills someone with a drone...and has big hears.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 6:07 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity




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Friday, June 6, 2014 6:19 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by MIKER:
I don’t disagree with this statement except blaming America for all the worlds troubles. What I disagree with is all the time you spend posting what a terrible country America is.


Well, MIKER, come on, is this a "Things We Love About America" thread? We tend to focus on PROBLEMS with our leaders and our domestic & foreign policies here.
Not ONE thing Signy is saying is untrue. And I share her anger & frustration that our country is seemingly endlessly being steered towards the simplistic solutions our mighty military avails to us, and AWAY from the non- "let's blow shit up" alternatives.
Power corrupts. That's nothing specifically against America, just simple Human Nature.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 7:39 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity



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Friday, June 6, 2014 8:00 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by MIKER:
I get what you are saying but the selective nature of Signy's negative focus US,while defending others THEM, in situations in my eyes removes all credibility from what she says.

If your emotional response to her charges of wrongdoing by our government blinds you to the actual issues, then it's more you than her, bro.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 8:08 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity



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Friday, June 6, 2014 8:39 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by MIKER:
I am just pointing out what a hypocrite she is. With her what’s good for the goose is not what’s good for the gander.

Take the geese out of this equation. What if I were to point out everything that was wrong with the Soviet Union all the time & never address anything they'd ever done right or well, would YOU be accusing me of being hypocritically anti-Soviet???
Dude, seriously.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 9:12 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity



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Friday, June 6, 2014 9:26 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


MIKER

Let me ask you a favor. First of all, can you tell me where Russia and China have military bases outside of their borders? I looked it up. You should too.

Now, look up a similar list for the United States.

Seriously, look it up.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 9:32 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Sig - save for perhaps Afghanistan, where is the US military that the host country hasn't invited it ?

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Friday, June 6, 2014 9:46 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity



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Friday, June 6, 2014 10:00 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by MIKER:
I have been speaking to your hatred of this country throughout this entire thread. The fact that you don't answer that shows me to be correct.

Hey MIKER, I'm really sorry here, I came to the conclusion that you weren't a Rappy sockpuppet, but that doesn't matter. You SUCK at objective analysis of factual data so precisely as badly as he, you might as well be him from a slightly different angle.
I *HATE* that scoliosis makes my back hurt. It pisses me off no end. I *HATE* this thing in my body.
But I don't hate ME.
Are we learning yet?


You and Rappster should get a room.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 10:20 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Obama was really pumping those 2-lb. weights this week! Someone said that he makes Richard Simmons look like Vin Diesel.


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Friday, June 6, 2014 10:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I have been speaking to your hatred of this country throughout this entire thread. The fact that you have so far refused to answer that but instead post around it shows me to be correct.
MIKER, you're incomprehensible, didja know that?

Where's the question??? So what am I supposed to "answer"? All you did was make a statement. What kind of "answer" is required?

I will, however, make a counter-statement. I love my country. That's why I'm so very, very angry to see it do stupid, evil, pointless, wasteful things. I think I made that point before, but apparently it's something YOU will "never understand".

And you still haven't answered my questions.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 10:34 PM

CHRISISALL


@ Jong LOL, that was pretty funny, man!!

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Friday, June 6, 2014 10:35 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity




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Friday, June 6, 2014 10:38 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity




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Friday, June 6, 2014 10:47 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
@ Jong LOL, that was pretty funny, man!!



I tried, but couldn't find the video someone did where they synched-up Obama's 'workout' with Olivia Newton-John's "Physical". That one would have you rolling on the floor laughing.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 10:53 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by MIKER:
it appears to come from a deep seeded hatred of this country.


Sorry MIKER, this was the last nail here, whether intentional or not, I'm not discussing junk with you again here.
Yes, I AM a grammar Nazi. To this extent, anyway.

Kiss Rappy for me.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 10:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Why is criticizing the wrong your country does called 'hatred'?



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Friday, June 6, 2014 11:06 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Why is criticizing the wrong your country called 'hatred'?


Apparently, it has to do with deep seeds.

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Friday, June 6, 2014 11:12 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I tried, but couldn't find the video someone did where they synched-up Obama's 'workout' with Olivia Newton-John's "Physical".

Oh Lords Of Kobol, the headbands!!!!!

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Friday, June 6, 2014 11:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


patriotism, rwa style





OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Friday, June 6, 2014 11:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And you still haven't answered my questions.



Nor have you answered mine.

@ Jongs - I saw that. I had hoped it was some spoof, or interwebs hoax. Apparently, not.

That has to be the pussiest work out - EVER. I've seen chicks pump more iron than that in the gym. Do Malia and Sasha know daddy has their play weights ?

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 12:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I have been speaking to your hatred of this country throughout this entire thread. The fact that you have so far refused to answer that but instead post around it shows me to be correct.
MIKER, you're incomprehensible, didja know that?

Where's the question??? So what am I supposed to "answer"? All you did was make a statement. What kind of "answer" is required?

I will, however, make a counter-statement. I love my country. That's why I'm so very, very angry to see it do stupid, evil, pointless, wasteful things. Like 6IX says- I want to do right, be right. I think I made that point before, but apparently it's something YOU will "never understand".

And you still haven't answered my question.

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 12:08 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sig - save for perhaps Afghanistan, where is the US military that the host country hasn't invited it ?


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Saturday, June 7, 2014 1:10 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Working backwards?

The Ukraine (do 'advisors' count?), Libya (does bombing count?), Iraq and Afghanistan.





OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 7:35 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Have you LOOKED AT the immigration laws of other countries??? Because I HAVE. So yeah - here I stay.



Just out of curiosity - absent immigration hassles, where would you choose to go if you could? Where - in your opinion - is best?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 8:12 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Working backwards?

The Ukraine (do 'advisors' count?), Libya (does bombing count?), Iraq and Afghanistan.





No,and no. The issue was MILITARY BASES. Not 'advisors'.

Japan, England, Germany, S. Korea... I'm certain that if we were asked to leave those countries, we would. As we left the Philippines , after Pinatubo erupted, and they decided we didn't need to bother rebuilding the 2 airbases.

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 8:15 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Miker, I agree with your objective analysis
WHAT "objective analysis"? That's been my point with MIKER all along... lots of feeling, lots of statements of opinion, no analysis.

For example, MIKER wonders, apparently, why I'm so negative about the America.

Did you know that my country isn't actually called "America"? At least, not by most people who live in the western hemisphere? That's because there are three Americas: north, central, and south. "America" is really known as Estados Unidos, sometimes del norte. The people living in this nation aren't "Americans" because we are ALL Americans, but gringos. But it's pretty typical of "Americans" (ie citizens of the United States) to subsume the hemispheric name to themselves.

Then, there is the list of nations with American military bases. Did you know there are 800+ military installations - including bases- ALL OVER the world? I guess - speaking of WW2 land-grabs- no other nation was really AS SUCCESSFUL at grabbing land as we were! No nation is our peer, as Obama so correctly pointed out.

And then, there is the number of governments toppled, and the number of people killed. From pre-WW2 to today, the slogans have changed - white-man's burden, remember the Alamo, anti-Communism, falling dominoes, the war on drugs, global war on terror, democratization, R2P (responsibility to protect, which sounds like white man's burden redux), back to the war on Russia- but the result almost always winds up the same:

dead people, tyrannies, and poverty. (Germany, Japan, and France were exceptions) Wow, are we clumsy at bringing peace and prosperity to the world, or what???

There was a poster here- Geezer- who is (was?) pro-military, who challenged me along those lines. It was my estimation that the USA was directly responsible for at least as many deaths as Stalin, if not more. So I assiduously looked up, and posted, all of the "interventions" that we engaged in - not even counting the massive genocide that was the birth of my nation. EVERY nation south of the "American" border was destabilized and overthrown - if not outright invaded- by the USA. The governments that we toppled were mostly democracies: Honduras and Guatemala, the so-called banana republics
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In the mid-1870s ... Keith founded the Tropical Trading and Transport Company: one-half of what would later become the United Fruit Company (Chiquita Brands International, created in 1899 by corporate merger with the Boston Fruit Company and owned by Andrew Preston). By the 1930s, the international political and economic tensions of the United Fruit Company had enabled it to gain control of 80 to 90 per cent of the U.S. banana trade. Nonetheless, despite the UFC monopoly, in 1924, the Vaccaro Brothers established the Standard Fruit Company (Dole Food Company) to export Honduran bananas to the port of New Orleans in the Gulf of Mexico coast of the U.S. The fruit exporters were able to keep U.S. prices so low because the banana companies, through their manipulation of the producing countries' national land use laws, were able to cheaply buy large tracts of prime agricultural land for banana plantations in the countries of the Caribbean Basin, the Central American isthmus, and the tropical South American countries—and, having rendered the native peoples landless through a policy of legalistic dispossession, were therefore able to employ them as low-wage workers.
, Brazil, Chile (for copper, backed by the big copper-users like Kennecott copper, Ford, and IBM), Nicaragua, etc etc. It was our support, training, funding and arming that led to death squads and "disappearances" throughout this hemisphere.



Indonesia and East Timor- Kissinger and the CIA overthrew democratically-elected Sukarno and gave his successor- Suharto- the arms with which a million people were butchered.
http://www.rense.com/general32/handsfull.htm

Vietnam- 2-3 million dead.

By my count, we (the United States, "America") had either directly killed 15 million people, or we installed dictatorships (where there had previously been democracies) that did the torturing and killing for us. According to other counts, the USA is responsible for about 50 deposed democracies since WWII. But if you don't believe me, or "them", all you have to do is google nation's name+ CIA (fill in the blank with whatever nation you want) to see our history. However many people you think the Soviet Union killed, however many democracies you think the Soviet Union deposed, however many people you think the Soviet Union put under the thumb of a brutal dictator... we did just as much if not more.

Those are the facts. They are hard facts that "Americans" prefer not to be acquainted with, which our school system and our media prefer not to mention. Liberals and right-wingers alike deny the history. Non-imperialist nations- even our allies- can't really comprehend the historic scope of this responsibility. It wasn't until I looked all of this up myself- in response to a post by Geezer- that I realized the breadth and depth of our impact on the world. Nonethless, they are facts.

Now, we can start with those facts and move on to a real analysis... Who benefited from our militaristic interventions? Who was killed? Who got wealthy? Who was impoverished? Is this really what we wanted? Is this really what we intended? Where do we go from here? But those previous emotional and ideological statements are NOT an analysis.




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Saturday, June 7, 2014 8:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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I love my country. That's why I'm so very, very angry to see it do stupid, evil, pointless, wasteful things.

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I feel the same way, no where I'd rather live, but my GOD I expect better.

About sums it up for me, although I long since gave up "expecting" any better. I don't enjoy Sig's consistent focus on the negative myself, but I understand her frustration.

Just to add that our being "invited" to house military bases in other countries isn't exactly as cut and dried as all that. Today's "warfare" includes more economic, interdependent and geopolitical aspects than in times past, but it's just as valid when it comes to a wealthy, powerful nation spreading its influence. We ARE still an empire, albeit in my view a failing one, and we still wield influence just as every empire before us has. I also don't think any other nation, given the wealth and power we have, has ever acted any better in its time. My argument is more with governments, politicians and human nature than a focus on the actions of those in this country alone.


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Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:02 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There was a poster here- Geezer- who is (was?) pro-military, who challenged me along those lines. It was my estimation that the USA was directly responsible for at least as many deaths as Stalin, if not more. So I assiduously looked up, and posted, all of the "interventions" that we engaged in - not even counting the massive genocide that was the birth of my nation. EVERY nation south of the "American" border was destabilized and overthrown - if not outright invaded- by the USA. The governments that we toppled were mostly democracies: Honduras and Guatemala, the so-called banana republics



Yep. And I showed that this was sort of like blaming the U.S. for all the deaths in WWII because we participated.

As for the FREELY ELECTED DEMOCRACIES in South and Central America and places like Indonesia, I showed that many of them were either not freely elected, or had one free election before the folks elected decided that future elections were just too much trouble.

I'm sure you preserved the links to these threads, so bring 'em back and let folks decide for themselves.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Yep. And I showed that this was sort of like blaming the U.S. for all the deaths in WWII because we participated.
No, you didn't. I was blaming the USA for all of the deaths WE caused. WE caused. What you're trying to do is blame everyone else for what WE did. Yanno It's all their fault. They made us do it! [/snivel]

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As for the FREELY ELECTED DEMOCRACIES in South and Central America and places like Indonesia, I showed that many of them were either not freely elected, or had one free election before the folks elected decided that future elections were just too much trouble.
No, you brought up a question about ONE central American nation (I forget which one).

But hey, feel free to bring up those threads yourself! There were three of them, as I recall.

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:23 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But hey, feel free to bring up those threads yourself! There were three of them, as I recall.



You brought them up.

Link to them or be a liar. All the same to me.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


"Link them or be a LIAR"? Because I can't find the links makes me a LIAR? What kind of dick ARE you, Geezer? Oh yeah, that's right- the dishonest kind. The asshole kind.

This is not the thread I was referring to, but I was making the same point then too

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MOST of our "wars" we fought for control of resources. In almost all cases, we came in on the side of the rich.... corporations, plantation owners, oil sheiks, oligarchs, dictators ... anyone who would provide our corporations with a "business-friendly", non-union, impoverished source of labor or resources.

Indian Wars (genocide)
Spanish-American War
Argentina 1890 Troops, Buenos Aires interests protected
Chile, 1891 Troops, Marines clash with nationalist rebels.
Haiti, 1891 Troops Black revolt on Navassa defeated.
Hawaii, 1893 Naval, troops, Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed.
Nicaragua, 1894, Troops Month-long occupation of Bluefields.
China, 1894-95 Naval, troops Marines land in Sino-Japanese War
Korea, 1894-96 Troops Marines kept in Seoul during war.
Panama, 1895 Troops, naval Marines land in Colombian province.
Nicaragua, 1896,troops, Marines land in port of Corinto.
China, 1898-1900,Troops, Boxer Rebellion fought by foreign armies.
Philippines, 1898-1910, Naval, troops Seized from Spain, killed 600,000 Filipinos
Cuba, 1898-1902, Naval, troops Seized from Spain, still hold Navy base.
Puerto Rico, 1898, Naval, troops Seized from Spain, occupation continues.
Guam, 1898, Naval, troops Seized from Spain, still use as base.
Nicaragua, 1898 Troops Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur.
Samoa, 1899, Troops Battle over succession to throne.
Nicaragua 1899 Troops Marines land at port of Bluefields
Panama, 1901-14 Naval, troops Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone 1914.
Honduras, 1903 Troops Marines intervene in revolution.
Dominican Republic, 1903-04 Troops U.S. interests protected in Revolution.
Korea, 1904-05 Troops Marines land in Russo-Japanese War.
Cuba, 1906-09 Troops Marines land in democratic election.
Nicaragua, 1907 Troops "Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up.
Honduras, 1907 Troops Marines land during war with Nicaragua
Panama, 1908 Troops Marines intervene in election contest.
Nicaragua, 1910 Troops Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.
Honduras, 1911 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war.
China 1911-41 Naval, troops Continuous occupation with flare-ups.
Cuba 1912 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war.
Panama 1912 Troops Marines land during heated election.
Honduras 1912 Troops Marines protect U.S. economic interests.
Nicaragua 1912-33 Troops, bombing 10-year occupation, fought guerillas
Dominican Republic 1914 Naval Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo.
Mexico 1914-18 Naval, troops Series of interventions against nationalists.
Haiti 1914-34 Troops, bombing 19-year occupation after revolts.
Dominican Republic 1916-24 Troops 8-year Marine occupation.
Cuba 1917-33 Troops Military occupation, economic protectorate.
Russia 1918-22 Naval, troops landings to fight Bolsheviks
Panama 1918-20 Troops "Police duty" during unrest after elections.
Honduras 1919 Troops Marines land during election campaign.
Guatemala 1920 Troops 2-week intervention against unionists.
China 1922-27 Naval, troops Deployment during nationalist revolt.
Honduras 1924-25 Troops Landed twice during election strife.
Panama 1925 Troops Marines suppress general strike.
China 1927-34 Troops Marines stationed throughout the country.
El Salvador 1932 Naval Warships send during Marti revolt.
WASHINGTON DC 1932 Troops Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.
DETROIT 1943 Troops Army put down Black rebellion.
Uruguay 1947 Nuclear threat Bombers deployed as show of strength.
Greece 1947-49 Command operation U.S. directs extreme-right in civil war.
China 1948-49 Troops/Marines evacuate Americans before Communist victory.
Philippines 1948-54 Command operation CIA directs war against Huk Rebellion.
Puerto Rico 1950 Command operation Independence rebellion crushed in Ponce.
China/No. Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in 1950, and against China in 1953. Still have bases.
Iran 1953 Command Operation CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.
Vietnam 1954 Use of nuclear threat French offered bombs to use against seige.
Guatemala 1954 Command operation, bombing, use of nuclear threat CIA directs exile invasion after new gov't nationalized U.S. company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua.
Egypt 1956 Use of nuclear threat, troops Soviets told to keep out of Suez crisis; Marines evacuate foreigners.
Lebanon l958 Troops, naval Marine occupation against rebels.
Iraq 1958 Use of nuclear threat Iraq warned against invading Kuwait.
China l958 Use of nuclear threat China told not to move on Taiwan isles.
Panama 1958 Troops Flag protests erupt into confrontation.
Vietnam l960-75 Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; one million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in l968 and l969.
Cuba l961 Command operation CIA-directed exile invasion fails.
Laos 1962 Command operation Military buildup during guerrilla war.
Cuba l962 Use of nuclear threat, naval Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with Soviet Union.
Iraq 1963 Command operation CIA organizes coup that killed president, brings Ba'ath Party to power, and Saddam Hussein back from exile to be head of the secret service.
Panama l964 Troops Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.
Indonesia l965 Command operation Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.
Dominican Republic 1965-66 Troops, bombing Marines land during election campaign.
Guatemala l966-67 Command operation. Green Berets intervene against rebels.
UNITED STATES l968 Troops After King is shot; over 21,000 soldiers in cities.
Cambodia l969-75 Bombing, troops, naval Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.
Oman 1970 Command operation. U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.
Laos l971-73 Command operation. bombing U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.
Chile 1973 Command operation. CIA-backed coup ousts elected marxist president.
Cambodia l975 Troops, bombing, gas. captured ship, 28 die in copter crash.
Angola l976-92 Command operation CIA assists apartheid South African-backed rebels.
El Salvador l981-92 Command operation, troops Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash.
Nicaragua l981-90 Command operation, naval CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution.
Lebanon l982-84 Naval, bombing, troops Marines expel PLO and back Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim positions.
Grenada l983-84 Troops, bombing Invasion four years after revolution.
Honduras l983-89Troops Maneuvers help build bases near borders.
Iran l987-88 Naval, bombing US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.
Virgin Islands 1989 Troops St. Croix Black unrest after storm.
Philippines 1989 Jets Air cover provided for government against coup.
Panama 1989 Troops, bombing. Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed..
Saudi Arabia 1990-91 Troops, jets Iraq countered after invading Kuwait. 540,000 troops also stationed in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Israel.
Iraq 1990-91 Bombing, troops, naval Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes; 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; large-scale destruction of Iraqi military.
Iraq 1991-2003 Bombing, naval No-fly zone over Kurdish north, Shiite south; constant air strikes and naval-enforced economic sanctions
Haiti 1994 Troops, naval Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup.
Sudan 1998 Missiles Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant.
Afghanistan 1998 Missiles Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies.
Iraq 1998 Bombing, Missiles Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions.
Afghanistan 2001-? Troops, bombing, missiles Massive U.S. mobilization to overthrow Taliban, hunt Al Qaeda fighters, install Karzai regime, and battle Taliban insurgency. More than 30,000 U.S. troops and numerous private security contractors carry our occupation.
Philippines 2002-? Troops, naval Training mission for Philippine military fighting Abu Sayyaf rebels evolves into combat missions in Sulu Archipelago, west of Mindanao.
Colombia 2003-? Troops US special forces sent to rebel zone to back up Colombian military protecting oil pipeline.
Iraq 2003-?Troops, naval, bombing, missiles Saddam regime toppled in Baghdad. More than 250,000 U.S. personnel participate in invasion. US and UK forces occupy country and battle Sunni and Shi'ite insurgencies. More than 160,000 troops and numerous private contractors carry out occupation and build large permanent bases.
Haiti 2004-05 Troops, naval Marines land after right-wing rebels oust elected President Aristide, who was advised to leave by Washington.
Pakistan 2005-? Missiles, bombing, covert operation CIA missile and air strikes and Special Forces raids on alleged Al Qaeda and Taliban refuge villages kill multiple civilians. Drone attacks also on Pakistani Mehsud network.
Somalia 2006-? Missiles, naval, covert operation Special Forces advise Ethiopian invasion that topples Islamist government; AC-130 strikes and Cruise missile attacks against Islamist rebels; naval blockade against "pirates" and insurgents.
Syria 2008 Troops Special Forces in helicopter raid 5 miles from Iraq kill 8 Syrian civilians
Yemen 2009 Missiles Cruise missile attack on Al Qaeda kills 49 civilians.


That DOESN'T include our other "interventions" which didn't involve US personnel.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=42478&p=1

Please read it carefully.
And that doesn't include our "interventions" since then.

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:33 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


More here
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I overlook nothing. However, didn't we drop a couple of nukes on civilian cities, killing about 200,000? Not to stop the Japanese, but to show the Russians that we were crazy sons of bitches who could, and would, drop them in their tracks if they tried to advance across the Pacific? We backed "anticommunist" Gnl Suharto who killed about a million of his people. Our little Vietnames adventure killed 2.5-5 million Vietnamese civilians. In Guatemala, we armed and trained the government that killed 200,000+ Mayans, creating "the silent Holocaust"

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=31204&mid=5
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Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:38 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Further searches don't turn those threads up. However, feel free to look for them yourself. Except Geezer. He'd rather (dishonestly) accuse people of being "liars".

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:37 AM

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:50 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


MikeR and Geezer

I'm curious if you have the balls/ honesty to acknowledge the truth of SignyMs claim that the US has intervened militarily in many countries - even democracies - that posed no threat, all around the globe and over a long time.

Because there are certainly enough facts to back up that claim. If you could acknowledge those facts which are incontestable, and accede to that claim, it would go a long way to giving you some credibility. Which both of you sorely lack.

But if not then I have no further interest in your posts on this topic. Because you seem to have no interest in discussing facts.



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

(what I expect is that MikeR will post something unrelated and Geezer will bail - that's their pattern)

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:54 AM

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:58 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What about this list?

Any you think might be true?

Indian Wars (genocide)
Spanish-American War
Argentina 1890 Troops, Buenos Aires interests protected
Chile, 1891 Troops, Marines clash with nationalist rebels.
Haiti, 1891 Troops Black revolt on Navassa defeated.
Hawaii, 1893 Naval, troops, Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed.
Nicaragua, 1894, Troops Month-long occupation of Bluefields.
China, 1894-95 Naval, troops Marines land in Sino-Japanese War
Korea, 1894-96 Troops Marines kept in Seoul during war.
Panama, 1895 Troops, naval Marines land in Colombian province.
Nicaragua, 1896,troops, Marines land in port of Corinto.
China, 1898-1900,Troops, Boxer Rebellion fought by foreign armies.
Philippines, 1898-1910, Naval, troops Seized from Spain, killed 600,000 Filipinos
Cuba, 1898-1902, Naval, troops Seized from Spain, still hold Navy base.
Puerto Rico, 1898, Naval, troops Seized from Spain, occupation continues.
Guam, 1898, Naval, troops Seized from Spain, still use as base.
Nicaragua, 1898 Troops Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur.
Samoa, 1899, Troops Battle over succession to throne.
Nicaragua 1899 Troops Marines land at port of Bluefields
Panama, 1901-14 Naval, troops Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone 1914.
Honduras, 1903 Troops Marines intervene in revolution.
Dominican Republic, 1903-04 Troops U.S. interests protected in Revolution.
Korea, 1904-05 Troops Marines land in Russo-Japanese War.
Cuba, 1906-09 Troops Marines land in democratic election.
Nicaragua, 1907 Troops "Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up.
Honduras, 1907 Troops Marines land during war with Nicaragua
Panama, 1908 Troops Marines intervene in election contest.
Nicaragua, 1910 Troops Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.
Honduras, 1911 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war.
China 1911-41 Naval, troops Continuous occupation with flare-ups.
Cuba 1912 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war.
Panama 1912 Troops Marines land during heated election.
Honduras 1912 Troops Marines protect U.S. economic interests.
Nicaragua 1912-33 Troops, bombing 10-year occupation, fought guerillas
Dominican Republic 1914 Naval Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo.
Mexico 1914-18 Naval, troops Series of interventions against nationalists.
Haiti 1914-34 Troops, bombing 19-year occupation after revolts.
Dominican Republic 1916-24 Troops 8-year Marine occupation.
Cuba 1917-33 Troops Military occupation, economic protectorate.
Russia 1918-22 Naval, troops landings to fight Bolsheviks
Panama 1918-20 Troops "Police duty" during unrest after elections.
Honduras 1919 Troops Marines land during election campaign.
Guatemala 1920 Troops 2-week intervention against unionists.
China 1922-27 Naval, troops Deployment during nationalist revolt.
Honduras 1924-25 Troops Landed twice during election strife.
Panama 1925 Troops Marines suppress general strike.
China 1927-34 Troops Marines stationed throughout the country.
El Salvador 1932 Naval Warships send during Marti revolt.
WASHINGTON DC 1932 Troops Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.
DETROIT 1943 Troops Army put down Black rebellion.
Uruguay 1947 Nuclear threat Bombers deployed as show of strength.
Greece 1947-49 Command operation U.S. directs extreme-right in civil war.
China 1948-49 Troops/Marines evacuate Americans before Communist victory.
Philippines 1948-54 Command operation CIA directs war against Huk Rebellion.
Puerto Rico 1950 Command operation Independence rebellion crushed in Ponce.
China/No. Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in 1950, and against China in 1953. Still have bases.
Iran 1953 Command Operation CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.
Vietnam 1954 Use of nuclear threat French offered bombs to use against seige.
Guatemala 1954 Command operation, bombing, use of nuclear threat CIA directs exile invasion after new gov't nationalized U.S. company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua.
Egypt 1956 Use of nuclear threat, troops Soviets told to keep out of Suez crisis; Marines evacuate foreigners.
Lebanon l958 Troops, naval Marine occupation against rebels.
Iraq 1958 Use of nuclear threat Iraq warned against invading Kuwait.
China l958 Use of nuclear threat China told not to move on Taiwan isles.
Panama 1958 Troops Flag protests erupt into confrontation.
Vietnam l960-75 Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; one million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in l968 and l969.
Cuba l961 Command operation CIA-directed exile invasion fails.
Laos 1962 Command operation Military buildup during guerrilla war.
Cuba l962 Use of nuclear threat, naval Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with Soviet Union.
Iraq 1963 Command operation CIA organizes coup that killed president, brings Ba'ath Party to power, and Saddam Hussein back from exile to be head of the secret service.
Panama l964 Troops Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.
Indonesia l965 Command operation Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.
Dominican Republic 1965-66 Troops, bombing Marines land during election campaign.
Guatemala l966-67 Command operation. Green Berets intervene against rebels.
UNITED STATES l968 Troops After King is shot; over 21,000 soldiers in cities.
Cambodia l969-75 Bombing, troops, naval Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.
Oman 1970 Command operation. U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.
Laos l971-73 Command operation. bombing U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.
Chile 1973 Command operation. CIA-backed coup ousts elected marxist president.
Cambodia l975 Troops, bombing, gas. captured ship, 28 die in copter crash.
Angola l976-92 Command operation CIA assists apartheid South African-backed rebels.
El Salvador l981-92 Command operation, troops Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash.
Nicaragua l981-90 Command operation, naval CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution.
Lebanon l982-84 Naval, bombing, troops Marines expel PLO and back Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim positions.
Grenada l983-84 Troops, bombing Invasion four years after revolution.
Honduras l983-89Troops Maneuvers help build bases near borders.
Iran l987-88 Naval, bombing US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.
Virgin Islands 1989 Troops St. Croix Black unrest after storm.
Philippines 1989 Jets Air cover provided for government against coup.
Panama 1989 Troops, bombing. Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed..
Saudi Arabia 1990-91 Troops, jets Iraq countered after invading Kuwait. 540,000 troops also stationed in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Israel.
Iraq 1990-91 Bombing, troops, naval Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes; 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; large-scale destruction of Iraqi military.
Iraq 1991-2003 Bombing, naval No-fly zone over Kurdish north, Shiite south; constant air strikes and naval-enforced economic sanctions
Haiti 1994 Troops, naval Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup.
Sudan 1998 Missiles Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant.
Afghanistan 1998 Missiles Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies.
Iraq 1998 Bombing, Missiles Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions.
Afghanistan 2001-? Troops, bombing, missiles Massive U.S. mobilization to overthrow Taliban, hunt Al Qaeda fighters, install Karzai regime, and battle Taliban insurgency. More than 30,000 U.S. troops and numerous private security contractors carry our occupation.
Philippines 2002-? Troops, naval Training mission for Philippine military fighting Abu Sayyaf rebels evolves into combat missions in Sulu Archipelago, west of Mindanao.
Colombia 2003-? Troops US special forces sent to rebel zone to back up Colombian military protecting oil pipeline.
Iraq 2003-?Troops, naval, bombing, missiles Saddam regime toppled in Baghdad. More than 250,000 U.S. personnel participate in invasion. US and UK forces occupy country and battle Sunni and Shi'ite insurgencies. More than 160,000 troops and numerous private contractors carry out occupation and build large permanent bases.
Haiti 2004-05 Troops, naval Marines land after right-wing rebels oust elected President Aristide, who was advised to leave by Washington.
Pakistan 2005-? Missiles, bombing, covert operation CIA missile and air strikes and Special Forces raids on alleged Al Qaeda and Taliban refuge villages kill multiple civilians. Drone attacks also on Pakistani Mehsud network.
Somalia 2006-? Missiles, naval, covert operation Special Forces advise Ethiopian invasion that topples Islamist government; AC-130 strikes and Cruise missile attacks against Islamist rebels; naval blockade against "pirates" and insurgents.
Syria 2008 Troops Special Forces in helicopter raid 5 miles from Iraq kill 8 Syrian civilians
Yemen 2009 Missiles Cruise missile attack on Al Qaeda kills 49 civilians.



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 11:15 AM

MIKER

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 11:34 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"This is your point of view ..."

Which you seem to agree is based on reality. Well, I suppose I could google each and every one for you and post the info. If I did, would you read it? And if it indicated the US was an aggressor and killed people for territorial, economic or power gain, would you concede that the US is and has been very very wrong in a vast majority of instances? Or would you shrug it off and keep harping on how great and well intentioned it is?



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 12:32 PM

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