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New rape discussion. The last one got a little long...

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Sunday, June 22, 2014 10:41 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I used to think along these lines, Chris, but sadly I have come to see that some people just enjoy or feel entitled to inflict pain and suffering on others if it suits their needs, and are not in any inner pain or suffering themselves, just dont have any empathy.

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Sunday, June 22, 2014 11:16 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I used to think along these lines, Chris, but sadly I have come to see that some people just enjoy or feel entitled to inflict pain and suffering on others if it suits their needs, and are not in any inner pain or suffering themselves, just dont have any empathy.

Mad dog syndrome?
For some I guess.
In any case, a release from this world is best. I believe in helping them on their way if they confess. Not a fan of the 'death penalty', but some peeps want out so bad it's best to grant their wish IMO.

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Sunday, June 22, 2014 11:17 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by DEVERSE:


I am going to explain my position and ask polite questions and see if I can agree or not with what sounds like an interesting theory.

I have difficulty in thinking that every single rape is a result of a genetic trait. However, I do understand that "rape" occurs quite frequently in animals and insects and that it is assumed that this occurs not as a social behaviour, but a biological one.

I would suggest that the thought that human males commit rape as a biological behaviour would be similar to saying rape is "natural" and thus normal or should be accepted and this may be a reason why such a theory is rejected. Humans should be "better" than animals (yeah, right) and this likely leads to a fair amount of prejudice against such a theory.

Anyway, I am supposing that you are suggesting that if rape is part of an animal's genetics, is it also part of human genetics?



Would you agree that culture is a stronger motivator than genetics? Both as a motivator and as a motivator not to rape?

Given the possible lowering rate of incidence would you think it is a trait that is being lost or is it some other factor?

Would you think it is a genetic mutation rather than inherent?

Anyway, I'd be interested in hearing a bit more of your thoughts on this and perhaps some clarification of your thoughts.





What no calling me a Nazi? I don't know if I can deal with this. It might be too much

No, of course I'm not saying all rape is a genetic thing. But neither is it completely in correlation to social rules and laws either.

I call it "Fear Theory" that "Oh no if I say it may be biological then people can do what they want and claim biology made them do it" thing.


Hubby does it all the time. The first reaction he has is one of "what if the repercussions of what I say can get blown out of proportion". You'd have to know his family to understand. They have the biggest fight or flight response I've ever seen. Say you aren't in to something they are- and they take it as an insult ... But I digress.

I don't really care about other people's fear theories. Science shouldn't either. By saying I think there is a !!!RECESSIVE!!! gene in men that can make them more prone to anything, it seems I always get the "Whatchutalkin' bout Willis" response before anyone actually thinks it over. FACT. Men as a species are more violent. That alone says there are genetic differences. It's like many of you guys are so scared about what could be lurking in there ya can't even have a discussion about it. And some women too, for that matter...

No, it wasn't really anything to do with animals, or their natural tendencies. Humans are an entirely different beast, but I think some people can have more rudimentary social genes than others. I mean look at people with Autism. It's not hard for me to think that those genes can have a partial translation in others without the FULL affect of the disorder. In fact, that happens all the time- people having aspects of a disease without having fully affected genes, just partial transfers...

Most people believe in the power of nurture. I tend to lean the other way, especially after having a kid that is basically a clone. She thinks like I do, she reacts like I used to. It's kind of scary really....

I STILL think the lowering in rates is because men found other things to do. Internet. Porn. Weapons. Phones. Exercise. Martial Arts. More available women. Maybe even seeing personal experiences in movies. Joining the US military seems to have a bonus for rapists these days
I know a guy who seems like a perfectly reasonable fella, but he confessed he feels urges to rape, and watches porn instead. I think the urge IS still there. I can't guess if it will fade out or not. Sweden has a nice little society and it sure isn't going away THERE......


BTW, not home all day today, before anyone accuses me of hiding. New tires and an alignment $$$$$$$$$

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Sunday, June 22, 2014 11:28 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
No, it wasn't really anything to do with animals, or their natural tendencies. Humans are an entirely different beast,


From Legend:
"We are ALL animals, milady."

Some of us rise above it a bit, others do not.

Watch the Star Trek episode "The Enemy Within." This explains it all better than I ever could.

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Sunday, June 22, 2014 11:54 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Behind every rape is a terrified little kid feeling out of control and unable to point to his grown up self and see the asshole.



or someone who gets off on exerting power and control over another person.


To sooth the inner terrified, out of control little kid. A person with an emotional age of six in a grown up body is a recipe for disaster. Most humans who inflict pain on others are in pain themselves.
Not an excuse here, just trying to understand. They still deserve whatever legal or physical smackdown they incur upon themselves for embracing evil as a distraction.



I see that Wish has not provided any real response, ie links to this DNA "expertise" of hers. I'm still completely blown as regards this "blame the DNA" idea of hers. Is any real, existent person really that blind and stupid and just... yick!? There is no word for the madness she has posted here.

Wish, you have struck a blow. I did not think any living person could be as freakishly obviously WRONG as you have been here. My lord, how whacked has your life been that it led you to believe that men rape because their DNA said so, and that's just how it is and it can't be changed... ?

I am truly sad that you live in such a brain. What a horrible world you must face, seeing things the way you do. I have been in the company of such brains, and it isn't fun. I hope you find a way out.



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Sunday, June 22, 2014 11:59 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:


Some of us rise above it a bit, others do not.

Watch the Star Trek episode "The Enemy Within." This explains it all better than I ever could.



Wake me up when we as a species get over the horizon line, I don't want perfect, but I'm in the wrong century for sure

And yeah, I've seen them all. Believe me, I've had that argument with Gran more times than I can remember. She NEVER EVER says a cross word to anyone and lets people get away with WAAAY too much because she thinks anger is a bad emotion. Maybe in a perfect world it is, but we ain't perfect, not by a long shot...

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Monday, June 23, 2014 12:07 AM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I see that Wish has not provided any real response, ie links to this DNA "expertise" of hers. I'm still completely blown as regards this "blame the DNA" idea of hers. Is any real, existent person really that blind and stupid and just... yick!? There is no word for the madness she has posted here.



Well, your DNA says you are a dick. Must be so because I can't imagine ANYONE getting as upset at a genetic debate as you??? And the 34000 other times you've gotten irrationally hateful???? You are gonna pop a gasket one of these days.

And I've said from the beginning, I never posts links because I have nothing I need to prove to anyone here. Believe me or don't, I care not. Never have.

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Monday, June 23, 2014 12:09 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


THE MOON IS MADE OF GREEN CHEESE EVERYONE. BELIEVE ME BECAUSE I SAID SO.

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Monday, June 23, 2014 12:12 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Mad dog syndrome?
For some I guess.
In any case, a release from this world is best. I believe in helping them on their way if they confess. Not a fan of the 'death penalty', but some peeps want out so bad it's best to grant their wish IMO.




Hmmm, not a fan of the death penalty either. In fact, rabidly anti it.

I'm not sure whether the ones who lack empathy want out. Often they live on merrily oblivious to the pain they cause, or convince themselves that others deserve it.

Not all the pain is physical either, come across many corporate psychopaths who inflict workplace misery convinced of their own righteousness.

BTW Wish, I dont think you know what a recessive gene is. If only men carried a recessive gene, then it would die out. The nature of recessive genes is that they are carried by both mother and father.

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Monday, June 23, 2014 12:38 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I am truly sad that you live in such a brain. What a horrible world you must face, seeing things the way you do. I have been in the company of such brains, and it isn't fun. I hope you find a way out.




I have a rather simple solution. It can be summed up as "Because she doesn't."

All animals rape. Dolphins and river otters are even known to gang up, target younger victims, and drown their victims in the act. Not even just the higher or more social animals either - I don't think I need to tell any of you what traumatic insemination among insects entails. Humans aren't any better, and it doesn't divide up along racial lines.

Everything on earth is more terrible than any of us can imagine. But I laugh at this idea that we have to be afraid of everyone, because frankly, that would make life just too easy, wouldn't it? No, you always have to wonder just where it's gonna come from. Maybe a friend. Maybe a family member. Maybe a stranger. Maybe from the guy who thinks they'd NEVER take advantage of a girl and who prides themselves on protecting a girl who gets drunk, right up to the moment they don't.

At some point you literally have to stop giving a fuck and start getting on with your life. Because no one is ever going to think they're wrong, they're not even going to think they've ever done anything like it or been capable of it even if they have. If you feel like you've been wronged, no one's going to listen or care, probably even get called a liar. Never gonna be able to convince anyone.

Why bother engaging Wishimay in a conversation she's not even serious about? Why bother getting mad at people on the board for what they may or may not have done? Why bother distinguishing better from worse, whether its race, religion, or gender, we're all equally goddamn awful. Hell with it. Let them have their secrets, I'd rather not know. If that ends up killing me, who even cares, at least I'm not afraid.

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Monday, June 23, 2014 12:47 AM

CHRISISALL


Serious virtual HUG here, Byte.

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Monday, June 23, 2014 12:53 AM

BYTEMITE


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Serious virtual HUG here, Byte.



9_9

How's what I said any different from what Wish's doing? Huh? Why's she the one you all get mad at?

Do I get special privileges because you all think I'm more broken or something? Even though I'm pretty sure she has it much worse than me?

Jeez, maybe she's just talking from the same place I am, only I'm even less of a cheery ball of sunshine than her. Only difference is, she wants the attention. I'm just bored.

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Monday, June 23, 2014 1:09 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Why's she the one you all get mad at?

I get mad at no one here. You, Wish, Rappy...
Well, Rappy.

Seriously, Wish has some severe views, many of which I can embrace, but you I can empathize with, even if I'm clearly a captain-dummy compared to you.
But, like Max (from Dark Angel) would say, 'whatever'.






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Monday, June 23, 2014 3:40 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

How's what I said any different from what Wish's doing? Huh? Why's she the one you all get mad at?

Do I get special privileges because you all think I'm more broken or something? Even though I'm pretty sure she has it much worse than me?

Jeez, maybe she's just talking from the same place I am, only I'm even less of a cheery ball of sunshine than her. Only difference is, she wants the attention. I'm just bored.


You got "mad" out of my post that you quoted above? How's that?

I meant what I said seriously - I am sad that anyone lives in the headspace where Wish is. Her ideas are clearly flawed, and skewed, and she has done nothing to defend her very biased statements. She's living in a very unhealthy and very biased head-space and she is clearly unwilling to come to any understanding of how wrong she is about this.

As for why the reaction to her is different than the reaction to you: I've yet to see you say that rape is just what men do because of that bad DNA of theirs. Go ahead and say something that fkuced-up Byte, then you will have grounds to compare everyone's reaction to you to the reaction to her.

And don't be thinking that you and Wish live in some privileged place where you can say crazy shit because your lives have been to dark places the rest of us haven't been to. You're accusing the rest of us of making assumptions, but really you're the one doing it.

You and Wish don't have some special right to be crazy and not be called on it. There's other people here who've been through bad times, and that doesn't buy us automatic rights to spout biased, unsupported nonsense.



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Monday, June 23, 2014 8:49 AM

BYTEMITE


I'm pretty sure I just said I haven't been through anything dark, so if anything you should all tolerate me far less than you do.

Any way, point is, its silly to say that rape is in the male DNA, not any more than it is in women, seeing how there's really not a whole lot of difference genetically between the two. Let alone trying to say that rape is just in the DNA of every animal.

Really you only got to look at conditions where fruit fly populations become more or less rapey to realize genetics don't have anything to do with it beyond that it's a symptom of aggression. Even there, rape is a result of the environmental conditions, and rapey fruit flies introduced into less competitive and less stringent environments, surprise surprise, become less rapey.

Suffice to say there is no "rape gene," there's just a whole bunch of neurotransmitters and hormones everyone has that result in behaviours and factors and maladaptation and other shit that occassionally gets translated into rapes. It sure as hell isn't something that everyone does and it can't be fixed genetically, not unless you eliminate dopamine as an essential neurotransmitter or sterilize everyone, but that would be dumb on the order of suicidal for the entire species. As such it makes a hell lot more sense to focus on the environmental issues because those are what convert regular behaviour into deviant behaviour and are actually things we can change and won't screw us all over.

Also Wish is still messing with you all and it's been three friggin' threads of this. Would any of you tolerate that from Jack? Come on, just admit she got you all and let's move on.

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Monday, June 23, 2014 9:23 AM

WISHIMAY


Mal4prez- you are officially on my douche list. I've always tried not to respond to you because your primary argument is to attack the PERSON on EVERYTHING and try to get everyone else to do it to. Who does that but insecure people??

Byte- are you done talking about what you think are my intentions yet, in every other post? Speak for yourself. You don't know Jack.



This will be my last post on the subject, because I've been here long enough to know when it's gotten pointless.




""From the picture you'll see neither the mother or father have the disease. However, the mother is a carrier of the disease. Because the son only needs one x to be affected it is possible for him to have the disease when neither his mother or father have it. It is not possible for the girl to get it.

This is why more males are affected by x linked recessive traits.""

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Monday, June 23, 2014 9:36 AM

BYTEMITE


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Byte- are you done talking about what you think are my intentions yet, in every other post? Speak for yourself.


Simply put, I've been there.

Quote:


This will be my last post on the subject, because I've been here long enough to know when it's gotten pointless.



There you go. That's all I'm saying. Best possible choice.

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It is not possible for the girl to get it.


Women rape, so it is possible for the girl to "get it." And besides, if it were an x-linked disease, that would mean that they got the genes from... *drumroll* their mother.

So no, this isn't applicable, as you knew already when you posted it. But if you really wanted to make this thread hilarious, I guess we could try proving or disproving that rape is actually the fault of the mother of the rapist.

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You don't know Jack.


Ahah. No, I don't, and goodness willing, I won't ever have cause to meet him. I don't have to go to Fireflyfans to encounter drunks trying to grab my ass.

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Monday, June 23, 2014 10:32 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


I have some sympathy for your views Wish, I often look to nature over nurture to explain things, and I recognise that humans are at the end of the day, animals, and that there is a dark streak in human sexuality.

I don't like when you say this:

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It sure looks like to me that because of testosterone, and accompanying various genes, that statistically men aren't AS capable of self-control.

I'm pretty sure I would never rape. It's like me asking you, would you ever have sex on the grave of a close family member? You see it's not a question of having enough 'self-control', it's a question of seeing the inherent sickness of the act, and being repelled by it.

Now what happens when someone is not repelled by the sickness, but is in fact, turned on by it? That's when we have our rapists - a small subset of men. Is there a genetic component to this sickness (or a genetic switch that can be activated by environmental stimuli)? I would guess probably. But then I would also guess there is a genetic component to paedophilia.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, June 23, 2014 10:37 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Mal4prez- you are officially on my douche list. I've always tried not to respond to you because your primary argument is to attack the PERSON on EVERYTHING and try to get everyone else to do it to. Who does that but insecure people??



OK, show me where I called you a douche. Show me where I tried to get anyone else after you. I haven't talked to anyone else about this. If we are all making similar arguments against what you're saying, maybe there's a reason besides a conspiracy led by Big Bad Me. You know, like maybe what you're saying is nuts!

I have not attacked you as a person, I've said that your ideas about this, about excusing rapists based on some blame-the-DNA-game, are just plain wrong. And dangerous. I am surprised that you had any expectation of making such a statement, with absolutely no supporting evidence, and not getting a strong reaction. What did you think would happen?


Quote:

This will be my last post on the subject, because I've been here long enough to know when it's gotten pointless.

So I guess you definitely won't be posting all that evidence that the rest of us are just too stupid to understand the way you do.

And you say I attacked and insulted you? Hmm.

So, maybe you avoid replying to me because you know I will demand evidence or at least some supporting logic when someone makes such an outrageous claim, and I will call you out if you don't provide anything but your "gut" feeling. Of that, I am certainly guilty.



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Monday, June 23, 2014 10:40 AM

MAL4PREZ


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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Byte- are you done talking about what you think are my intentions yet, in every other post? Speak for yourself.


Simply put, I've been there.



Been where?


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You don't know Jack.


Ahah. No, I don't, and goodness willing, I won't ever have cause to meet him. I don't have to go to Fireflyfans to encounter drunks trying to grab my ass.





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Monday, June 23, 2014 10:46 AM

JONGSSTRAW


You girls got the hysteria ... bad. Fortunately there is a cure.






Try it, you might even like it.

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Monday, June 23, 2014 11:52 AM

BYTEMITE


According to the old definition of hysteria that the picture in question applies to, wherein someone has dissonant serenity or laughter in response to what others would consider a distressing issue, happenstance, or topic of conversation, I am the only person on this board who is symptomatic.

If you're offering Jongs I hope you like a serious cause of ugly and a lack of hygiene. Don't question the fishy smell, I have it on record that I was once a mermaid. I've got some more disturbing details that probably aren't fit for mixed company, inquire within.

Lols we got another one. Y'alls tryin' too hard.

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Monday, June 23, 2014 1:34 PM

DEVERSE

Hey, Ive been in a firefight before! Well, I was in a fire. Actually, I was fired from a fry-cook opportunity.


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by DEVERSE:

What no calling me a Nazi? I don't know if I can deal with this. It might be too much



Well, until I have a Nobel Prize for publishing the definitive answer to life’s questions, I’ll try and keep an unprejudiced mind.
The idea that violence may be genetic isn’t exactly new or unusual. It seems there have been a number of incidents where the question has been asked, “Is there a murder gene?”; so I’m thinking it isn’t exactly outlandish to wonder if there isn’t something in our make up that leads individuals to engage in violent behaviour.

As humans we tend to want answers, especially in situations that make little sense. For example, I think of a case where an individual comes from a wealthy family, has apparently had a comfortable life with a very loving family, who has never been in any trouble and then over the last 5 years seems to have killed both his mother and father, at least two women and (the incident that resulted in him being caught) then arranging to meet a person who wanted to sell their truck and killing the man so he could steal the truck.
The individual planned and executed the murders quite carefully as his parents deaths were not seen as suspicious and he was not even remotely suspected as being involved with the two women killed. The one incident where he seems to have either miscalculated or lost control was in killing the man who wanted to sell his truck.
The individual also does not seem to be suffering from any specific or identifiable condition so, what was the motivation or trigger for the violent acts?
And this case is not alone, there seems to be a number of others and even some where individuals are attempting to use genetics as a defense for their actions.

As I indicated earlier, the idea of genetics being involved in human activities isn’t new, but I think I may be slightly more comfortable with epigenetics rather than the dated concepts of “nature versus nurture” in an exploration of possibly finding an answer.
The concern that the idea of genetic behaviour does raise for me though is that the scientific community is as fallible as any other (in many cases much more fallible) and some idiot will publish some half baked idea that a bunch of other idiots will embrace and it will cause nothing but grief.

Anyway, seems the thread has taken its unique FFFNet turn, so I’ll toddle off to ponder the matter as I think you answered my questions sufficiently.


Oh let the sun beat down upon my face;
With stars to fill my dream;
I am a traveler of both time and space;
To be where I have been

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Monday, June 23, 2014 1:36 PM

BYTEMITE


In summary and in closing for this thread:




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Monday, June 23, 2014 2:10 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by DEVERSE:


Well, until I have a Nobel Prize for publishing the definitive answer to life’s questions, I’ll try and keep an unprejudiced mind.


Anyway, seems the thread has taken its unique FFFNet turn, so I’ll toddle off to ponder the matter as I think you answered my questions sufficiently.



See, this is the definition of CLASS.









NOT

THIS!



Is any real, existent person really that blind and stupid and just... There is no word for the madness she has posted here.

I did not think any living person could be as freakishly obviously WRONG as you have been here.

I am truly sad that you live in such a brain. What a horrible world you must face, seeing things the way you do.






Can you even SEE the difference?





BTW, I will never be goaded into explaining ideas people aren't capable of debating without being hateful. THAT is the definition of futility...

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Monday, June 23, 2014 5:05 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


You asked for it.

*snickers ironically*

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Monday, June 23, 2014 6:29 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by DEVERSE:


Well, until I have a Nobel Prize for publishing the definitive answer to life’s questions, I’ll try and keep an unprejudiced mind.
The idea that violence may be genetic isn’t exactly new or unusual. It seems there have been a number of incidents where the question has been asked, “Is there a murder gene?”; so I’m thinking it isn’t exactly outlandish to wonder if there isn’t something in our make up that leads individuals to engage in violent behaviour.

As humans we tend to want answers, especially in situations that make little sense. For example, I think of a case where an individual comes from a wealthy family, has apparently had a comfortable life with a very loving family, who has never been in any trouble and then over the last 5 years seems to have killed both his mother and father, at least two women and (the incident that resulted in him being caught) then arranging to meet a person who wanted to sell their truck and killing the man so he could steal the truck.
The individual planned and executed the murders quite carefully as his parents deaths were not seen as suspicious and he was not even remotely suspected as being involved with the two women killed. The one incident where he seems to have either miscalculated or lost control was in killing the man who wanted to sell his truck.
The individual also does not seem to be suffering from any specific or identifiable condition so, what was the motivation or trigger for the violent acts?
And this case is not alone, there seems to be a number of others and even some where individuals are attempting to use genetics as a defense for their actions.

As I indicated earlier, the idea of genetics being involved in human activities isn’t new, but I think I may be slightly more comfortable with epigenetics rather than the dated concepts of “nature versus nurture” in an exploration of possibly finding an answer.
The concern that the idea of genetic behaviour does raise for me though is that the scientific community is as fallible as any other (in many cases much more fallible) and some idiot will publish some half baked idea that a bunch of other idiots will embrace and it will cause nothing but grief.

Anyway, seems the thread has taken its unique FFFNet turn, so I’ll toddle off to ponder the matter as I think you answered my questions sufficiently.




This didn't appear to be a nature vs nurture debate. I'll wholly own that some people are born with temperments that make them more prone to violence. Whether that is due to epigenics, or to inutuero conditions is not very well established, but it is likely that temperments are inherented.

which is a whole other story to men, and dark skinned men in particular, being predisposed to rape because of some 'recessive' gene they have inherited, which indeed was a very similar philosophy to nazism, which is where the analogies came from. Not actually name calling, but an observation.


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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 8:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I have not kept up with this thread, and have spent some time not thinking about the subject much.
Some people think the world is a civilized society. Worldwide, people (mostly men) OWN women! They are PROPERTY. Being in Yurp or North America does not mean the rest of the world will abide our utopian desires.

Who thinks they will eradicate the strain of population that thinks this way, that thinks owning women is the best possible way?
Over the thousands of years of recorded history, we have not eradicated bullies like Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Hugo Chavez, Pablo Escobar, Vlad Putin, Kim Jong Un, or any of the others of Kings, Emperors, dictators, tyrants. These are fairly easy to spot, and we can mostly agree on many of them, but we do not remove them from the planet. These are the inheritors of the world's resources, they take what they want from those who owned, discovered, or created.

In a world where rampant violence, murder, genocide, war, "ethnic cleansing" or terrorist bombings occur, who really thinks we are civilized, and how could you think you should venture into a place with these activities and think you will survive, not be affronted, offended, or have your head removed. You need to have some common sense. Many people around the world think American women are spoiled, sheltered, and clueless. Not far from reality.

I'm not saying a rape-free zone is not a nice thought, and that the miniscule fraction of a percent of men who repeatedly rape should not be removed, but the evidence of the gene pool does not support the idea.

Women who are safely coddled from murderers, dictators, and choose to intentionally associate with "bad boys" with the knowledge that things could get out of control should not be shocked, shocked I say, that they are not the masters of all that surround them.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 8:39 PM

CHRISISALL


That was a very manly post.

(not in a good way)

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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay: (quoting me with rather poor formatting)

Is any real, existent person really that blind and stupid and just... There is no word for the madness she has posted here.

I did not think any living person could be as freakishly obviously WRONG as you have been here.

I am truly sad that you live in such a brain. What a horrible world you must face, seeing things the way you do.


And your reply to me is not to post any of those "sources" you claim to support your madness, or any actual topical logical argument. You can only reply by getting personal, calling me class-less, a claim with nothing but your gut feeling behnd it.

I can put this logic behind what I said: you live in a world of men who rape based on their DNA, and they can't be stopped, and you are a helpless victim before them with no defense and no power to stop them and not even any power to demand that they change their behavior. That is truly a brain I pity, and a world that must be horrifying to live in.

So how's about you get back to providing any *proof* that men with certain DNA are prone to be rapists. As in: an Indian man raised by genetically Indian parents though Americanized socially has a higher likelihood of being a rapist. Go on, tell me about it.

Can't, can ya? It's far easier to kvetch about what a big meany I am than to get down to reality and support your extremely dangerous, racist, and unsupported biases, isn't it?

Soooo predictable.


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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:20 PM

CHRISISALL


DNA provides the programming for the desire to procreate in the form of intimate physical contact with a comely creature (hopefully of the same species), and like any other programming, it can be bent into other outcomes.
Eating becomes obesity, fight or flight becomes murder, sex becomes RAPE.
There IS no 'rape' gene, just as there is no 'suicide' gene. Basic hardwired survival tendencies can get perverted into self-destructive behaviour by EN VI RON MENT.

No charge for this educational session.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:26 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Women who are safely coddled from murderers, dictators, and choose to intentionally associate with "bad boys" with the knowledge that things could get out of control should not be shocked, shocked I say, that they are not the masters of all that surround them.




This ^^^

This is the sick mentality that you make excuses for, Wish. Which is why I'm not mad at you, no matter what Byte might think. I'm sad as hell for anyone who accepts this world view and lives in it without even putting up a fight.

The "mad" Byte sees is just my automatic reaction to anyone who expects me to live in such a sick sad world with them. Sorry, hon. I'm not coddled, I just make no excuses for those few men who are scared and weak enough to try to find their ID through bullying women, and I pity the fool who encounters me on a dark night thinking I'm not the master of my own fate.

Bring it on JSF.



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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:35 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Bring it on JSF.

You might want to blindfold yourself just to make it a fair fight....

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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:23 PM

WISHIMAY


Mal4.

Spent the last seven years not talking to you FOR A REASON.
You might wanna see to that OCD problem you got. I bet yer a hand washer, aincha?? It's prolly also why you stay angry for days about blah blah on the internets.

Most days I'm really glad I have a short attention span. It lets me walk away from people like you and not give a damn.



















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Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:43 AM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
You might wanna see to that OCD problem you got. I bet yer a hand washer, aincha?? It's prolly also why you stay angry for days about blah blah on the internets.




You're an impressive hypocrite.

Complaining about others getting personal, complaining when people criticize Six's drinking, complaining when others make fun of obese people... Boom, using OCD as an insult.

That's a somewhat startling contrast.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:57 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Mal4.

Spent the last seven years not talking to you FOR A REASON.

Oh dear. Seven whole years? That's a long time for you to be holding a silent, personal, grudge against me. I had no idea you were that deeply dug in. Explains a lot about this current exchange... You came into it with a deep-seated 7 year resentment. Shocker that you've come into this with a healthy resentment of me, hmm?

So, clearly you have something going as respects to me. Can I trouble you to expand on it? I'm all manner of curious as to what made you declare me as your personal anti-crist. To be honest, I didn't notice you in particular before the past month, and nothing about you really stuck out to me until you went into this male-rape-DNA madness. (Still waiting for you to defend that with any kind of logic or evidence? Are you gonna? Oh, why do I bother asking. Of course you won't.)

So what exactly about me got to you? Was it just the recent exchange--doesn't seem so, since you bring up the 7 years ago thing. Do tell what it really is. I'm open to hearing. Don't be shy, dove.


Quote:

You might wanna see to that OCD problem you got. I bet yer a hand washer, aincha?? It's prolly also why you stay angry for days about blah blah on the internets.
No, no, and no. At the moment my hands are rather sticky with the late night dinner I just ate, and I didn't get back to the sink for a good wash because I was too hungry and too into the game i was playing to handle the delay. My house, BTW, is a bit of a mess. Nothing tragic, but I get too busy to deal with the daily piles of clothes and dishes and dust bunnies. I happens every few weeks.

But thanks for playing. You shot. You did not score. In fact, You sliced it off into the stands on the far right.

But funny that you bring up "angry for days". Which of us is, dear? Of you care, I can explain how I spent my last few days. You were not part of it. In truth, I was much amused to come back and see that you've kept this going. Wee fun! Let's go!

So try again if you dare. Just this time put some time and effort into figuring out who I really am before you make a stab at it, because declaring me an OCD hand-washer just makes you look even more wrong than you were before.

Swing and a miss!

You are so very eager to dig into your resentment of me, rather than address the original issue of the thread. It says something about what you need to avoid. Getting back to that:

Apparently, Wishimay is eager to hire a Iranian man to care for her children, because Iran has very few reported rape attempts. The police there hardly ever go after a man for forcing himself on a women. That Iranian DNA must be solid and trustworthy, according to Wish's "logic".

However, Swedish men are on the top of her shit list. When looking for care-takers for her children, she must have ruled out any applicant with Swedish DNA and eagerly accepted Japanese applicants, since Japanese have very few prosecuted cases of older men taking advantage of girls (because, until very recently, this even wasn't considered a crime...)

Wishimay must feel very safe in the boxes she has drawn about herself.

May those walls of fantasy never crack.



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Wednesday, June 25, 2014 9:37 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Swing and a miss!



Methinks you doth protest too much. A normal person would have blown it off, but you wrote a whole page about it. Says I'm closer than you'd like.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:08 AM

BYTEMITE


Meh. I'm OCD, and I'm not particularly a handwasher. It's kind of a stereotype about the disorder that's not always accurate.

I mean yeah, I'm grossed out by body fluids if I see them, excepting my own because I know where that's been, but who has the time to give a damn about germs or other people putting their handprints on things if you're on public transportation all the time. There's really only so much a person can do so mostly I ignore it and take a lot of naps. I'm pretty sure a lot of people who come across me think I'm homeless. One time the public transportation cops thought I was dead. That was pretty funny.

Anyway, I'm more of a hair puller and a weird thing eater and a weird thought haver OCD.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:13 AM

CHRISISALL


I totally wash & scrub my hands like a maniac after every time I lay some idiot out; a good palm strike can get you a hand full of your attacker's snot & saliva. Ewwwwwue.

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Thursday, June 26, 2014 8:19 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Women who are safely coddled from murderers, dictators, and choose to intentionally associate with "bad boys" with the knowledge that things could get out of control should not be shocked, shocked I say, that they are not the masters of all that surround them.




This ^^^

This is the sick mentality that you make excuses for, Wish. Which is why I'm not mad at you, no matter what Byte might think. I'm sad as hell for anyone who accepts this world view and lives in it without even putting up a fight.

The "mad" Byte sees is just my automatic reaction to anyone who expects me to live in such a sick sad world with them. Sorry, hon. I'm not coddled, I just make no excuses for those few men who are scared and weak enough to try to find their ID through bullying women, and I pity the fool who encounters me on a dark night thinking I'm not the master of my own fate.

Bring it on JSF.


I was trying to be clear, sorry if I was not.
I do not support those who bully others.
I hope you remove those you encounter who violently challenge your person.

But those people do exist. Whether the topic is slavery, pimping, pedophilia, rape, beheading, snuff films, those thing do exist in the world. Pretending they do not could be viewed as foolish.

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Friday, June 27, 2014 12:42 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Swing and a miss!



Methinks you doth protest too much. A normal person would have blown it off, but you wrote a whole page about it. Says I'm closer than you'd like.



Do be clear. How am I not "normal"? How would a "normal" person react to your suggestion that nothing can be done with a rapist, because they are just poor helpless tools of that evil male DNA that makes them do what they do, DNA that is bond right up with their racial identity, right?

My lord, Wish. Quit messing around and flat out admit the the consequences of what you're saying: if ever a man rapes you, you'll just pat him on the head and say sadly: "you poor man with that bad DNA. I know you couldn't help it."

And then you'll just wait for the next one to come along, because what else can poor helpless you do?

Right?




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Friday, June 27, 2014 12:51 AM

MAL4PREZ


Posting separately because I really would like a separate response to the above...

I said previously: "You [Wishimay] are so very eager to dig into your resentment of me, rather than address the original issue of the thread. It says something about what you need to avoid."

And in all your responses you still avoid the original point of the thread that YOU started. You refuse to return to those issues but instead choose to vilify me. That's so much easier, ain't it? It avoids a whole bunch of uncomfortable self-reflection, not to mention gaping holes in what you seem to think is logic.

Girl up Wish. You say that men rape on account of their DNA. Quit using me as an avoidance tool and kick down with the proof. Can you? I bet you can't. So why don't you just post again about how mean-y mean I am.

In the meantime, men, no matter the state of their DNA or their upbringing, will never be given free rein to mess with me, delicate flower though I may appear. How about you? How ready are you to reject some evil man's assumption that he has a DNA-ordained right to fuck with you or yours? You OK with that?

Seems you are... At least, seems you're willing to make excuses for it afterward. Hence my pity for you.



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Friday, June 27, 2014 1:05 AM

MAL4PREZ


One more observation:

Apparently, you, Wishimay, believe that I must be some OCD hand-washer because, in your mind, the only kind of person who might disagree with your DNA-based-rape madness is someone with a mental "issue". Right?

Really?

You're not real open to discussion of your ideas, are you? Because you believe that you are so spot on that only someone *c*r*a*z*y* could doubt your (completely unsupported) ideas.

OK, this just makes me tired. Why do you have to go all batshit with this? Why can't you just talk about it rationally as an idea that could be right or wrong? Why does anyone who doesn't agree with you have to be declared crazy?

You'd think I'd be used to this kind of crap on RWED by now... and yet I kept getting drawn in to it.

[Yeah. I admit, I find it a bit fascinating.]


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Friday, June 27, 2014 1:18 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


On the bright side, at least we didn't have 6ix chime in on this thread about how we should be making sure our daughters dont grow up to be little sluts who deserve what they get.

So it's a step up, or one foot out of the sewer of threads if you like.

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Friday, June 27, 2014 2:49 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Mal4.

Spent the last seven years not talking to you FOR A REASON. ... I'm really glad I have a short attention span."

I wouldn't call 7 years short.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Friday, June 27, 2014 7:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wow, seven years??? What could have caused THAT? Like MAL4, I'm kinda curious.

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Friday, June 27, 2014 11:32 AM

BYTEMITE


To be fair Mal4Prez, we're probably all crazy around here, and I say that as the craziest one of you.

Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
On the bright side, at least we didn't have 6ix chime in on this thread about how we should be making sure our daughters dont grow up to be little sluts who deserve what they get.

So it's a step up, or one foot out of the sewer of threads if you like.



Still a cesspool, but perhaps adjacent to a water treatment plant. There is always the hope that the disgust might not be eternal, except for those of us who wallow in it like me.

In the very least Jack wouldn't say that about his niece, and he's probably okay with girls being sluts, pretty sure he even likes that. He'd even say he'd object to people taking advantage of them. But more than that, from my observations and from his confirmation, no. He would not intervene if it was happening, and actions speak louder than words. I suppose we can't blame him for that, it's not really anyone's responsibility but the ones involved.

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Friday, June 27, 2014 11:38 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
To be fair Mal4Prez, we're probably all crazy around here, and I say that as the craziest one of you.



Sorry but you do not get to claim to be the craziest if your posts continually show a calm thought out opinion. Nope, not buying it.

Where is 6ix? He was having some problems.

si shen



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Friday, June 27, 2014 11:42 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Sorry but you do not get to claim to be the craziest if your posts continually show a calm thought out opinion. Nope, not buying it.


You really haven't seen crazy yet. Give it a month or two.

Some of us walk the straight and narrow path of logic to a conclusion, others of us crawl through the wilderness of madness and somehow end up in the same place.

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Friday, June 27, 2014 11:50 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Quote:

Sorry but you do not get to claim to be the craziest if your posts continually show a calm thought out opinion. Nope, not buying it.


You really haven't seen crazy yet. Give it a month or two.

Some of us walk the straight and narrow path of logic to a conclusion, others of us crawl through the wilderness of madness and somehow end up in the same place.



Maybe, just maybe, crazy defines me. Have you thought about that?

I sense incoming.

si shen



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