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Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:07 PM

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US: Russia firing artillery at Ukraine military
Posted 17 minutes ago

By Associated Press

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is accusing Russia of firing artillery to hit Ukrainian military sites and planning to send pro-Russian separatists more lethal weaponry.

The State Department says the U.S. has evidence that Russia is shelling Ukraine from sites inside Russia. Spokeswoman Marie Harf also says the U.S. has evidence Russia intends to deliver "heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers" to separatists battling Ukrainian forces in the east of the country.

Harf declined to provide details or elaborate on the evidence because she said she could not get into intelligence "source and methods."

The U.S. has repeatedly accused Russia of stoking the Ukraine rebellion and alleges that Russia is ultimately responsible for last week's downing of a Malaysian airliner over eastern Ukraine.

Copyright 2014 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:24 PM

AURAPTOR

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I do hope Chrisisall timestamps this thread and saves it, so he can come back in 9 years and tell me how wrong I was in posting a story about what the State Dept said.

July 24, 2014

Please make a note of it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:41 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Marie Harf is a lying whore. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out her mouth. She lies, and that's all she does.

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Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:46 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Marie Harf is a lying whore. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out her mouth. She lies, and that's all she does.

Well, she does have a mighty roar. Oh, wait. I thought you said... that was weird.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:56 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Marie Harf is a lying whore. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out her mouth. She lies, and that's all she does.

Well, she does have a mighty roar. Oh, wait. I thought you said... that was weird.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

Were Marie Harf and her fellow State Dept. Spokesperson Jen Psaki former political bimbos for the Obama campaign? No, nothing like that. They were former political bimbos for the Obama campaign.

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Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:29 PM

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2+ hours after our STATE DEPT issued this release, no word from the White House, or Obama ???

SERIOUSLY ?

I know, I know...he's at a fundraiser, and since there are no reporters there, we don't know what he's said to anyone.

But no WH release either.

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Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:55 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Does any of it matter now? A full scale Russian invasion of Ukraine appears imminent, and Obama, Kerry, and the Eurotards can't do a damn thing about it.

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Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:56 PM

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Does any of it matter now? A full scale Russian invasion of Ukraine appears imminent, and Obama, Kerry, and the Eurotards can't do a damn thing about it.

They could stop it in it's tracks but it would cause a lot of economic loss for Europe if they chose to do so.

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Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:57 PM

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Does any of it matter now? A full scale Russian invasion of Ukraine appears imminent, and Obama, Kerry, and the Eurotards can't do a damn thing about it.

Still no word from the WH, is there ?

Oh, and those 2 planes which were shot down ? Likely came from missile batteries INSIDE Russia.

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Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:28 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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Still no word from the WH, is there ?

Actually, Obama quoted a line from Candide ...

"O che sciagura d'essere senza coglioni!"

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Oh, and those 2 planes which were shot down ? Likely came from missile batteries INSIDE Russia.

Inside Russia, outside Russia .. pfff .. what difference does it make? We Americans don't believe in borders.

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Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:38 PM

THGRRI

We can't start world war three. But if Europe starts to divest it's holdings in Russia and moves it's investments elsewhere the message is clear to Russia. That the world is thinking long term and this is going to get really bad for a very long time.

Sooner rather than later they will come to see they do not have the resources to float Russia and the Ukraine both. Meanwhile the rest of it's neighbors will be beating down the doors to join NATO.

Not sure of anything but this shit can't stand.

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Friday, July 25, 2014 6:48 AM

AURAPTOR

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Inside Russia, outside Russia .. pfff .. what difference does it make? We Americans don't believe in borders.

Our dear and fluffy leader sure doesn't. And the proggies think borders are part of the reason why the world sucks as bad as it does.( Well, that, and economic freedom.)

That's part of the problem, right there. The lack of sovereign nations.

You know what's funny ? Absence of the usual conspiracy suspects and apologists for one particular side. Not 1 word from them on this matter at all.

Huh.

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Friday, July 25, 2014 5:33 PM

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Still nary a word, eh ?

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Monday, July 28, 2014 11:11 PM

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Still nary a word, eh ?

Of course not. Goes against the pages of propaganda driven drivel that certain folks on here want to promote.

proper fucking bump.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 11:28 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:24 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Still nary a word, eh ?

Of course not. Goes against the pages of propaganda driven drivel that certain folks on here want to promote.

proper fucking bump.

They're sure talking 'bout it in Washington. Now they're accusing Russia of violating a 1987 Reagan/Gorbachev treaty on cruise missile testing. In fact, Obama sent a letter to Putin today about it. Vlad knows he's in BIG trouble now!

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 5:41 AM

AURAPTOR

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I'm guessing it was a strongly worded letter, hmm?

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 9:53 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

QUICK! Move the goalposts and throw another allegation on the fire!

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:19 AM

AURAPTOR

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QUICK! Move the goalposts and throw another allegation on the fire!

How is Russia firing on another sovereign country " moving the goalposts " ?

S'plain

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:49 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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I'm guessing it was a strongly worded letter, hmm?

Well, the content hasn't been published yet, but inside sources say it contained a lot of "ers" and "ums".

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:05 PM

THGRRI

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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I'm guessing it was a strongly worded letter, hmm?

Well, the content hasn't been published yet, but inside sources say it contained a lot of "ers" and "ums".

I continually read in your jon boy and Archie's posts how poorly Obama is handling things with no suggestions as to what he should be doing. I always assume it is because you don't actually have a clue so you just post your hate.

I see the two of you express little else. There is a word to describe that kind of hate and as a matter of fact I used it recently to describe the both of you. You may look forward to seeing me use that word to describe you in the future again and again just as I see your bigotry posted for all to see again and again.

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:21 PM

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how poorly Obama is handling things with no suggestions as to what he should be doing. I always assume it is because you don't actually have a clue so you just post your hate

Blah blah blah...

WASHINGTON — Secretary of State John Kerry has made a significant mistake in how he's pursuing a Gaza cease-fire — and it's not surprising that he has upset both the Israelis and some moderate Palestinians.

Kerry's error has been to put so much emphasis on achieving a quick halt to the bloodshed that he has solidified the role of Hamas, the intractable, unpopular Islamist group that leads Gaza, along with the two hard-line Islamist nations that are its key supporters, Qatar and Turkey. In the process, he has undercut not simply the Israelis but also the Egyptians and the Fatah movement that runs the Palestinian Authority, all of which want to see an end to Hamas rule in Gaza.

A wiser course, which Kerry rejected in his hunt for a quick diplomatic solution, would have been to negotiate the cease-fire through the Palestinian Authority, as part of its future role as the government of Gaza. Hamas agreed last April to bring the PA back to Gaza as part of a unity agreement with Fatah that was brokered by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

Kerry has been motivated by two understandable short-term needs: First, he wants to stop the horrific slaughter in Gaza, with its heavy loss of life among Palestinian civilians, including children. Second, he seeks to fulfil the instructions of President Obama, who wants an immediate cease-fire and has become skeptical about solving the knotted Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Kerry's approach has ignited a firestorm in Israel, with commentators left and right accusing him of taking Hamas' side and betraying Israel. That criticism is unfair, and it prompted a complaint Sunday from Obama in a phone call to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Kerry's mistake isn't any bias against Israel, but a bias in favor of an executable, short-term deal. A case can be made for this "kick the can down the road" approach, as I did last week in discussing Kerry's recent diplomatic negotiations over Iran's nuclear program and with rival political leaders in Afghanistan.

But Gaza has suffered from a generation of brutal expediency. Any deal that reinforces Hamas' stranglehold — rather than building a path toward change of government, elections and eventual disarmament — is misconceived. In the name of stopping bloodshed this week, it all but guarantees it in the future. That's why public opinion polls show a strong majority of Gazans back the idea of returning to Palestinian Authority control — because they want an end to the cycle of intermittent warfare.

Israel has undermined its own cause with statements that appear to be insensitive to Palestinian loss of life. One example is Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer's claim that "the Israeli Defense Forces should be given the Nobel Peace Prize" for showing "unimaginable restraint," at a time when photos and videos provide wrenching evidence of civilian casualties in the densely packed cities of Gaza.

Kerry's initial plan was to support Egypt's demand that Hamas accept a cease-fire. When Hamas rejected what it viewed as surrender, Kerry turned away from Egyptian mediation toward Turkey and Qatar, which as friends and financial backers of Hamas were thought to have more leverage. That put the deal first, and a stable solution to Gaza's problems second.

By turning to Turkey and Qatar, Kerry also enhanced their position in the regional power game. That's contrary to the interests and desires of America's traditional allies, such as Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the moderate Palestinian camp headed by Abbas.

If Kerry has been shortsighted about seeking a path toward a more stable Gaza, so has Netanyahu's government. The Israeli prime minister denounced the Palestinian unity agreement forged by Abbas last spring, even though it opened the way for an alternative non-Hamas government. More important, Netanyahu consistently has failed to give Palestinian moderates concessions that might enhance their power in both the West Bank and Gaza. When Palestinians heard Netanyahu say recently that Israel must maintain military control of the West Bank for decades, they ask: What's the point of negotiating a two-state solution?

Whether Kerry gets a permanent cease-fire or not, the same basic issue will haunt Gaza going forward, which is how to establish the Palestinian Authority as a responsible government that actually controls the territory. Israelis fear that the PA might operate on the Lebanese model — with Hamas maintaining a deadly militia, just as Hezbollah does in Beirut.

That's the right long-term question to be negotiating — and it's where Kerry should be spending U.S. diplomatic capital, rather than in another pursuit of the interim deal.

Contact David Ignatius at davidignatius@washpost.com.

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